/art/ - Art & Creative

Hate it, an insult to art that is actually nice.

We've already had at least two threads about this.

>>>/art/1185
>>>/art/1619

Read those and consider abandoning this one.

>8chan seem to hate it

Several reasons why but with 8chan in particular you'll find that because of the nature of 8chan's population, many are aware of the social-political relations to what caused modern art to turn out the way it is.

That stigma on top of removing objective standards and quality control is already bad enough.

>>1859
>le joos "Joos"
>doesn't believe modern art is a huge scam
>"but those standards were subjective too" in regards to when art was measured objectively
>pulls the same old "muh realistic!" card
1/10 simply because:
>You know there are ALOT Modern and even contemporary paintings that are great.
Is sort of true. There are good contemporary artists, problem is that the art galleries and art "society" would rather have some goat-smegma smeared on a tv-screen with some 2deep4u description to it, than an actually well-made piece of art. Here's a very good contemporary artist: http://serge-marshennikov.tumblr.com/

You can try to jerk around it however much you want, the truth stays the same: Art is not subjective, but objective. If you for some reason cannot understand this truth, try watching the video called "Why is Modern Art so Bad?": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNI07egoefc
If that doesn't get inside your head, watch video related series.

>>1859
>Joos?
>I think is incorrect to say that modern art is just a scheme or money laundering. You know there are ALOT Modern and even contemporary paintings that are great.

Anon it sounds like you might be projecting a bit of what you said.

>those videos sucks
>and I'm not suprised that you don't know this

Oh ok, just because you said so.

>>1872
>Video has section on how wonderful a fraud Picasso was
>Quote Picasso being a fraud

kek

>>1880
Music that is all melody is garbage. It requires tethering in the physical (rhythm and dance) or verbal (lyric and song) or it quickly becomes pointless wankery. There's a reason why Jazz fell off the radar when everyone got so full of themselves and started ignoring the audience's needs, you know.

>>1974

Show me the earliest example you can find of a jazz track that "ignored its audiences needs", that way I can judge how lame your opinion is.

>>1987
Earliest example? I take it you already accept the concept, then?

>>1988

Rhythm is important. I want to catch you in the act of throwing out the baby, though.

>>1871
video sucks

>>2040
Really wish Hotwheels would fix that error already.

>>1923
>Doesn't know that their way of looking at art is subjective too

This is what subjective-pomo faggots say all the time, that the call for objective standards is in itself subjective.

That's how warped you people are.

You don't even care for any other people's input because you are looking for validation in your own views in the first place.

>>1923
Subjective opinions are rooted in facts though. The picture uses lines, colors, value, etc. that can be perceived with senses. Why were they used, and were they successfully used to achieve a purpose? If we just say, "Yeah, well, that's just your opinion," we might as well not fucking bother.

A piece of art can achieve exactly what it intended, but that doesn't mean I have to appreciate it. You can have a "great" piece of art that is lame as fuck, easily. Bouguereau, Pollock, same person.

>>2048
>>2050

i dont get this two.

are you supporting abstract art?

Generally I dislike most of it. I don't think art had to have a meaning, the medium is mainly based in visual appeal, and while I very much appreciate emotional, meaningful works I don't think it's fair to criticize modern art for lacking it. However, most of it fails to look good in my opinion, and in a genre that largely lacks most technical skill and meaning, appealing to the eye should be its major concern. The image in the OP is bad art in my opinion, while the colors don't look too bad together the composition is too simple and empty, it looks unfinished. There isn't a focal point, no visual interest aside from the pale borders at the top and bottom. It needs differing values and more than just a blank swath of peach covering the majority of the canvas. The artist could have used the pale colors and similar values to create a light, tranquil piece, but it fails to communicate that and just looks like he started to paint something and gave up on the idea before doing hardly anything. I do enjoy aesthetically pleasing modern art, but I don't think I've ever seen a piece of it I could call great, it might look nice sometimes but it doesn't show much refined skill, just knowledge of color and composition. And if an artist can use color and composition well, they should learn to paint actual subjects and expand their ability instead of just sticking to abstract stuff. It might be nice to hang as decoration, but anyone who highly values it is probably full of shit.

>>2093
>The image in the OP is bad art in my opinion,

Oh shit, I didn't even realize OP's image was supposed to be an art. I just saw a notepad "open for discussion" or some shit.

>>2094
sorry, >>2283 wasnt meant to you.

To try to put it in an extreme Layman's

Have you ever gone to a board like /x/? Have you ever liked something peculiar even though it isn't technical or refined? Have you ever gone to a webpage and enjoyed how nicely made it was? Have you ever liked a landscape? Have you ever liked the way a tree looks? Have you ever liked someone's hair texture and shape? How about the inside of a computer looks like?

All these things could be something you like a lot aesthetically, but not something obvious. They don't have gorgeous curves of a woman with the perfect pigment of skin. If they were to be cropped out alone and stretched it wouldn't be any traditional painting. It would be weird but pretty (or just enjoyable to look at). They're not a person or a building. A lot of modernist art captured things that were unfortunately neglected.
A lot of abstract expressionist works like color field approached beauty differently. If I were to see that on a webpage or in the sky I would think it would be lovely or even beautiful, and they thought so too and thought it could be beautiful for all cases, and in this case, "art".

>>2330
>the perfect pigment of skin
In hindsight this sounds like I'm promoting some Afrocubano stuff, which I'm not. Probably should have described it differently.

Anyways, think about some dreams you've had, or if you're a drug user how interesting something looked. They were odd and maybe even gross, but captivating.

>>2330
Have you sorted out a prom date yet?

>>2039
I liked some of the videos, but then i diacovered these assholes are jews posing as conservatives.
Even if some of the things they say sound reasonable, the israel videos are a reality check.
Fuck prager

>>2341
No one is completely sane.

Why do the great masters only draw soft porn and bedsheets?

>>2345
Same reason why foreplay makes the actual sex fun.

It's the thought that counts and with a bit of titillation, well you get the idea.

>>2340
But you're already making so many presumptions and arbitrarily made purposes, along with an analogy that hardly makes sense.

Why a sandwich? A lot of modernist works try to experiment different elements, and you're comparing that to a sandwich, which has no merits, because it's the same contrived thing. Because work? Well, if I suddenly found several pounds of gold and put not effort, it would still have value. Also, what if the painters put a lot of effort into their modernist works?

So many assumptions. Try opening your mind a bit.

>>2340
>>2349
In other words, art isn't defined as "hot lady in floaty bed sheets, maybe some babies, maybe some tits; looks just like IRL but with slight (only 5%, else becomes trash) adjustments, only 10% surrealism allowed."

Who cares about the price? Jesus, it's art and people finding new creative outlets, why whether or not how people spend their money cause such anger? Why are "REAL artists who are high class chef equivalents" forced into poverty because people prefer different stuff?

>>2354
Epic arguments dude. I can't contain all this epicness. Dude this shit is all gay af lmao. Fuck this gay art I prefer real art. Shit like my skyrim background that's real art none of this dumb shit.
>Real artist are being forced into industrial-utilitarian
Holy shit. Didn't know there was a mob forcing real artists into these evil sweatshops.

Thank you for le enlightening me, and now I have enough salt to hold me over for the month. Thanks man :^)

>>2362
This is the saddest thing I've ever seen.

>>2364
>>I can't draw nor paint, that's why i like to pretend that muh abstrekz are the same to a skillfully performed fundamental-based painting.
I don't even make abstract art or realist art, what does that even have to do with anything? Why are people not allowed to enjoy things that are different?
Try explaining your *chan humor to your mom, you can't. It's weird, archaic, almost nonsensical, but enjoyable nonetheless. It doesn't have traditional set up -> lead up -> punchline + timing. A lot of times stupid remarks get people laughing on the chans. It's unorthodox but we've found something different that we find hilarious. Why can't the same be said for visual beauty?

Have you ever looked at the Aurora Borealis? If someone just made a painting of that with no frame of reference whatsoever, would it lose its beauty? I don't think so, it would look like some abstract expressionist paintings.
Sure there are several movements that may seem dumb (and probably are dumb and are complete shit), but that's the thing, there's been several different movements. To neglect all of them because they're considered "modernist" or "post-modernist" and not "classical" is silly. There's to be SOMETHING you find enjoyable, you just didn't put the effort to understand or find them.
>shit reasoning
You haven't even made an actual argument. All you've said is that "it's not full enough for me, it's dumb and stupid and doesn't have REAL meaning", I just responded with the same tone.

>>2365
>samefagging
Now that's sad.

>>2368
>>2368
I'm studying it and learning, reading Loomis and whatnot, just not a "professional" creator of any sort. That is completely irrelevant though. You don't need to be a professional chef to know when something tastes good/bad.

>Same situation, learn to make music to understand why some "elitists" think certain musical genres are nothing but shit.
Not really no, I do make music, I like making ambient works though. I'm assuming you think that's not REAL music therefor it's irrelevant. It's amazing, you only accept opinions if they already agree with you and make the stuff you already deem as "acceptable", and if they don't they're automatically wrong.

You haven't once made an actual argument and still threw a tantrum.

>>several people disagreeing with me?, must be a same fag!
It was literally one extra person.

Again, try making an actual argument. Please. This whole thread you just say "no, it's dumb you're wrong and stupid" and pretend you're "elite" all while complaining about "elite". I don't think I've ever talked to someone as try-hard and dense as you.

>>2373
Congrats?

>>2372
>>Abstract "art" is shit because it does not use foundation.
And I'm saying who cares. Does the Aurora Borealis use foundation? Do creepy /x/ demons use foundation? Do random things that are seen as beautiful, interesting, captivating, or something that would make you interested in its visual aspects ALWAYS follow classical art foundation?

No, and it's extremely arbitrary of you to think that.
Plain and simple.

>And, if you are trying to compare ambient music to abstract art, you just don't get it, abstract art is not music, just noise with a convoluted description of what that noise is supposed to mean.
Your only means of arguing is making retarded analogies that don't hold at all, but you pretend it's clever.

>STILL referring to the whole money laundering thing
You do realize a lot of post-modern pieces are performance pieces and other things too abstract to really "launder money through"? How the hell do you launder money through that?
Also, there are several artists with technical skill, and since you make them out to be sweatshop workers, they should be EXTREMELY cheap for money launderers to use to push their money, and if they're pushing millions, they could EASILY pay them a high wage. Stop your fake boogie mans that not only follow reason, are based on few examples.

Again, "modern art" has A LOT of content, not just a picture of some dude's polish anus. A lot of them don't follow foundation, that's the point and they found another means of making something visually enjoyable.

Also, if it's REALLY that easy and requires no effort, why haven't every single one of you done it and made an easy $100k? Because there was effort in something else.
You also realize a lot of these artists know technical art and do have a technical background, and I do support them knowing that and being expected to know that, otherwise they're not evolving anything.

Ambient music is like abstract art, it searches enjoyment from nontraditional means. A lot of beauty from ambient music is textures. Not from tonal means.

Jesus man, how can you not see your blatant circular logic?

>>2375
>>2372
I'm still unsure whether or not modern art is real art or not, and for the most part I don't think so. but holy shit youre a fucking faggot. you fall into every stereotype that makes youtube so retarded. you remind me of those deviantart faggots that would post god awful art and whenever they're called shit white knight faggots would spew the same "lets see you do better!" fuck you retarded faggots you are honestly the real cancer to art and everything humanities.

>>2375
>aurora borealis is not drawn nor man made jackass.
Ok, how does someone miss a point this hard? Anyways whatever, I should have realize I wasn't going to get an actual discussion out of this.

>>2376
This. It's especially annoying when you try to give actual critiquing and they only get buttblasted and retort with "let's see you do better".
Am I supposed to record my works for them? Advice is advice.

>>2374
>Ambient music is like abstract art

You're right. They're both about as interesting as listening to someone talk about their dreams and for the same exact reason. It's completely masturbatory.

modern art and contemporary art are different movement.

>>2466
No one cares