No.856
How long did it take you to finish the sticky/get out of that beginner level?
I'm at day 3 and I'm already sick of it
When will the nightmare be over?
Also this isn't some "feel" thread, I know the fucking answer is to practice, I just want some motivation.
No.857
Step one: think of something that you think is cool
Step two: Make said something in any medium you prefer, graphite, chalk, tablet, sculpture.
Step three: Don't show it to anyone, just keep doing this while looking up references and tutorials. You should never feel obligated to ask for crit, only when you are really not sure if it's good or bad.
Step four: Have fun, I have faith in you anon.
No.866
>>856heres some advice to get you good:
fuck the sticky
No.867
>>856Pretty much what
>>857 said
Draw
Every single day
draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw
draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw
draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw draw
And when you're done draw some more, progress is seen in months and years, not days and weeks. Keep fucking drawing.
No.868
>>866>fuck the stickyThis
If you wanna keep making edgy highschool tier shit with roseart colored pencils because you have no clue what the hell you're doing.
Regardless of however you learn to draw you learn the same core concepts whether you want to admit it or not. The sticky just lays them out and explains in laymen's what they are. Stop acting dumb and utilize the resources you have readily available to you.
No.873
>>868so can I jump to gestures/drawing from reference and practicing from there? I think I'm able to see shapes and 3D form, but I just started so that can be me talking nonsense
I'm still going to follow the sticky just to play it safe
No.875
>>873The sticky isn't a dogma or a dichotomy, it's just a collection of resources. So long as you're understanding and applying the fundamentals it really doesn't matter where you learn from, the sticky is just convenient.
Don't burden yourself with technical terms and concepts just yet. My advice to you is to get a sketchbook and start drawing from life in the form of studies and still lifes every day for about a month or so to build up a skill set to help you tackle more advanced things otherwise it might just be completely over your head.
No.878
>>873I've never read the sticky, is it a list of commandments for drawing or something?
No.890
>>878No rules, just tools
No.910
>>856I hit that point to from time to time. When I did, I drawfag at halfchan /v/ since I thought that would be a good way to practice what I study.
Maybe try that?
No.961
>>856If you think the sticky is shit/boring as fuck, don't do it. I got sick of loomis and vilppu and all that shit pretty fast, so I just started doing a ton of refs and if I was struggling with something I'd look up a "simple" way to draw it as a base; my progress doing shit myself compared to the sticky is very different.
The one thing that's important though is that you just do a lot of drawings. Don't expect everything you do will turn out to be good, even decent, you need to learn that mistakes are okay.
>>873Don't bother with gestures until you are actually decent enough to capture what a human body looks like, there's no point to gestures if you don't know this. Doing gestures without knowing how to draw the subject will do nothing.
No.985
>>961>I got sick of loomis and vilppu and all that shit pretty fastThis so much. I thought it was just me being autistic as usual that I couldn't 'get' vilppu or loomis and I just had to persevere my way through. Fuck mane, how do I do it though otherwise? I want to delete my vilppu folder so bad lol but he's supposedly be a master and who else would you follow if not him?
No.986
No.996
>>985I did loomis, vilppu, bammes, hogarth, bargue, and gestures. I loved doing them, but I feel low because it didn't help me too much with fictional work. It clicked with me initially, but it never "clicked" for me later. I find it difficult to draw from imagination without doing similar poses or characters.
I'm probably in a special case though, you folks could nail it.
No.1010
>>985If you can't draw basic shapes in perspective then any book on figure drawing will be useless to you.
>>996Those books are meant to be paired with actually drawing from life to better help you see the planes and forms of the body.
98% of your problems with drawing can be solved with mastering perspective and just drawing more.
No.1015
>>1010What do you suggest then to work on perspective? I'm so sorry /art/. I haven't done anything at all. Why am I such a lazy piece of shit? I swear I'll finish whatever you throw on me now. So please, suggest something. I'll stop looking for a million of resources and actually do something once and for all.
If I'm a total beginner what would be the order of things to learn? Perspective, then?
No.1019
>>961What do you mean by "doing a ton of refs?"
No.1020
>>1019doing tons of reefs
No.1021
>>1015The problem with perspective is that the concepts are simple enough but putting them into practice is difficult for someone just starting out.
Look into Rapid Viz, Perspective Made Easy and anything by Scott Robertson.
No.1022
>>1021Thank you so much anon.
No.1035
I've got to respect anyone who starts drawing at a late age and perseveres. I've been drawing my whole life and I can't even imagine what it's like to start with child-like skill so long after childhood.
No.1036
It's not the quantity of practice but the quality that matters the most, imo. It's perfectly possible to catch up when actively striving to do better, the extra 'practice' one gets by starting at an early age is all on the manual dexterity side of things and very little on technique. And technique is what matters.
Granted, i don't draw (i sculpt) so this may not apply 100% here but i'd say it's still mostly true.
No.1096
>>1036I'm afraid that doesn't apply here.
From a sculpting background, that's perfectly correct, but in drawing. People want to run before they can walk, or even stand. That's why agonizing practice is the only way to get better.
No.1111
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I have to say that I can't stand Loomis, but I try to persevere and do as much of his stuff as I can.
Before that, I used to draw from an anatomy art book for university students that I managed to get, and was doing fairly well when I tried. Should I just go back to that instead?
Also, does anyone have any advice for someone who wants to get into painting? Both digital and real, since I the basics are the same.
I've read that I should try to copy some of the old masters' works. Any thoughts on that?
No.1112
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Hey,
I recommend people *cough* acquire *cough* some Michael Hampton figure drawing videos. Not just books, VIDEOS. The big ones. A certain Swedish website might help you. Also, look up youtube vids on calisthenics and drawing tightly controlled lines.
Then draw something, imitating Hampton's methods step by step for, say, drawing a head. Draw a body and start bouncing back and forth between Loomis, Vilppu and Hampton to figure out where your methodology went wrong, before drawing again. Look at videos on youtube for a while when books start to piss you off.
Next step is to not just glance at the 30second gesture drawing exercise, on pixelovely or elsewhere, but to actually do it and for 100 drawings in a row, using mostly Vilppu for drawing gestures incredibly quickly.
Also, draw not just Picasso's Stravinsky upside down but other things as well. Learn to break apart shapes as if you are a computer, scanning a face with no knowledge of what a face actually is, only interested in creating a 3D model out of little plates. Kill your "symbol drawing" habits.
No.1135
>>1111Nice quads
There are a lot of names of authors that have great books that go over the same concepts that Loomis does, you gotta go through all of them and find out which makes the most sense to you. Don't be afraid to pick up another book and to try different methods. Just keep the basics in mind and keep on drawing.
As far as copying master paintings it's to get an understanding of their workflow and their "handwriting". Doing a master copy will also help you understand how color and light works as well.
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>>1135All right then, thanks.
I guess I'll drop poor Loomis in favour of something more interesting.
No.1163
>>1150Remember
no rules, just tools
Come back to his material after a while and I will almost guarantee you'll come to appreciate his works though
No.1181
>>1163It's not that I don't like him, or don't appreciate his style of teaching.
I just find him to be somewhat dry and end up drawing half-heartedly while following his lessons. Then again, I started at the very beginning, which may have been a mistake, since I am not an absolute beginner who never held a pencil in his hands before.
Not that the lessons were useless or anything though.