No.438
Fashion is an enthusiast interest if you want to have an appreciation of it greater than its face value. I would compare it the difference between knowing a car only by its make and model versus knowing the inner workings of car engines and usage of aftermarket parts. Going back to fashion: Sure you can familiarize yourself with brand names but that does not mean you know anything about the quality of materials used and differences in cuts / construction.
The most important step is discovering your own taste. If all you're looking to do is have some random people on the internet tell you what you should buy or validate whether or not you've made a good purchase decision you will never level up from fuccboi status.
So let's build a solid foundation with an understanding of fundamental concepts.
I do not claim to be very knowledgeable but I will provide some of my outlooks on subjects to initiate discussion.
No.439
No, too shallow
No.442
First and foremost you need to determine what sort of look you want to go for. Again going back to discovering your own taste. Consider whether or not the clothes will be appropriate for the season. You are going to look clowny if you're wearing four layers of clothing in 90 degree heat (I've seen someone do this before, and I gave them shit about it). The best thing you can do at this point is collect inspiration and deal with your current wardrobe until you decide on a look. After you've found something you want to put together you can move on to copping pieces. Take labels like "-core" with a grain of salt and focus on the aesthetic itself rather than what buzzword someone uses for it.
No.444
Color palette plays a large role in what looks pleasing to the eye. Read up on color theory and understand the concept. You can go through your inspiration folder and break down the colors of each piece being worn if you need some rough guidance.
Monochrome is simple and needs no explanation. If you're looking to branch out pay attention to how colors contrast or compliment each other, again going back to color theory. Observe how one look might have colors fade from top to bottom, bottom to top, or start at a medium shade at the top, dark in middle, and light towards the bottom.
Pay attention to how this affects silhouette. Breaking up colors plays a rather important role in silhouette. Examples might be how a look gives the appearance that a torso is too small or legs too long or that the bottom half is swallowing the top.
You can easily create a simple and modest color palette to work with, or you can make things a bit more complex with loud colors. Loud colors tend to be much more difficult to work with and pull off well.
No.446
Working with patterns is the next step from moving on from pure basics. You should have a good idea of putting colors together before messing around with patterns.
Patterns can be color based (eg. flannels) or texture based (eg. cable knit sweaters). Choice of complexity or simplicity of a pattern will boil down to personal preference. Different types of flannel patterns are the best example that comes to mind where there are many different patterns of varying complexity or simplicity.
In general:
Complexity/Loudness = More colors, varying geometrics, lack of symmetry
Simplicity/Plainness = Less colors, consistent geometrics, symmetrical
One type of flannel may have 3 or 4 different colors in the pattern while another may only have 2. Look at coogi sweaters if you want an example of maximum loudness.
Woven patterns or textured ones, in the case of sweaters, tend to add more character and sense of craftsmanship to the piece. A plain pullover can be perfectly fine for a fit. A cable knit sweater will look more interesting to the average eye and even if it's some machine woven in China shit most people will believe it has a certain level of craftsmanship simply by appearance.
What you want to avoid doing is wearing different patterns together. Stick with only one patterned piece to an outfit. If you're going to wear multiple patterned pieces then they should be matching in pattern and color. The one technical exception to this that comes to my mind might be a striped dress shirt and a tie. Even then I'd personally stick with solid color dress shirts regardless.
No.450
When it comes to quality you should familiarize yourself with fabrics. Learn how they feel to the touch, how they feel on your body, how they look up close, and how they look from a distance. The concept of how they look applies more so to patterns, colors, and silhouette.
Synthetic fabrics are not necessarily bad. A tri-blend t-shirt will probably be more comfortable in a hot summer while a 100% cotton t-shirt will be better for mild or colder weather. This has to do with breathability and moisture retention. For example, cotton does not dry quickly in comparison to polyester. Jeans get gross in hot and humid weather.
Touch, feel, and try on different things every time you're in a clothing store. You don't even have to buy anything. Accumulate knowledge so you can make wise purchase decisions. Something might feel cheap because of how thin it is or because of how the material was woven. Usually the case is terrible construction (eg. Shirts that are supposed to fit on "everyone" and therefore look terrible on everyone). You will only learn these differences if you put conscious effort into learning the properties of a piece and types of material. The idea is to not make your experiences in fashion put too much of a drain on your wallet. Hopefully at some point you will realize and appreciate the difference between a $20 shirt and a $100 shirt. When all is said and done you should be able to tell the difference between a 100% cotton tee and one blended with synthetics without even having to look at the tag.
No.451
I would recommend thrifting pieces for your look until you put it together and determine whether or not you find it to be something you actually want to wear. You may like the aesthetic of a look but come to find it simply doesn't suit you. Perhaps you don't find it as likeable as you thought it'd be. Avoid investing too much money when you're still trying to formulate your personal style.
A note about thrifting: Many people are ignorant. That means there's a pretty good chance some clown is going to toss a quality piece. Perhaps the piece doesn't fit them anymore. Either way the opportunity is out there to get something really for for a really low price. You can do a lot of experimentation with little monetary investment by thrifting while you're still trying to determine the style you want. If you're basically starting a new wardrobe from nothing you should look around local places every two or three days, especially weekends, and preferably as early in the day as possible.
No.453
The where and what of your purchases are nowhere near as important as the pieces fitting you well. This means know your measurements. At the very least know your chest, waist, and shoe sizes. Your inspiration folder should give you an idea of what well-fitted clothing looks like. If you're still clueless lurk WAYWT threads and keep an eye out for genuine advice where someone explains WHAT looks bad and WHY it looks bad. Don't be afraid to take some pieces into a fitting room, take pictures of different fits, and post them for feedback. You can go back to the store and make a purchase decision based off the feedback. /fa/ tends to be a slow board so killing time waiting for replies to make a decision in store might not be a sensible option.
Essentially most people don't even know a majority of good brands you'll see here on /fa/ (eg. Norse Projects). The only time anyone recognizes something is if there's gaudy branding / logos plastered on it or if they actually have enough knowledge themselves to recognize whatever article(s) of clothing.
With that being said take malicious comments with a grain of salt. Someone might tell you your clothes look cheap in a WAYWT because you're not wearing Rick Owens everything. The cost of your outfit is irrelevant to the clothes fitting you well.
No.454
>>438wow awesome, lots of good stuff here
thanks
No.455
I imagine most people are broke college students or high school begging mommy to buy them Geobaskets for Christmas. So let's talk a bit about spending habits.
There's obviously an entry level cost to obtaining your basics. I wouldn't say it's very high as all you need to get started is some t-shirts, jeans, and shoes. You might think that it's too plain and boring, and I would agree with you. But if the clothes fit you well you look better than most other people wearing the same outfit but with ill-fitting pieces.
I tend to avoid buying something on impulse unless it's a sale, and I know that piece won't be there if I don't pull the trigger immediately. I've only done this once so far. I'm actually waiting on that parka to arrive so I don't know if it'll be a purchase I'll regret or not.
Aside from those scenarios I tend to sit on things for about a week or longer. I'll consider that I want something and think of how to incorporate it into my wardrobe. In the following week I'll consider whether or not I actually need it or if I just wanted it because it looked nice. Having started by wardrobe from scratch there are basic boundaries of things I NEED versus things I WANT. And this boils down to seasons and weather conditions. I made an impulse buy because I really NEEDED a parka for this coming winter. Now I think I really NEED a parka liner for it. But after some consideration it doesn't even get that cold where I live so I can likely buy some sweaters instead which I can wear with or without the parka.
Versatility will help you get the most of your wardrobe. You want to avoid creating a "uniform" outfit in the sense that you can only wear those pieces together for that single outfit. This especially applies to colors. As an example I have a red hat and a red toque that I honestly have little idea what to do with because red is a pretty loud color and I don't think it works very well with my current wardrobe.
No.461
There are "basic rules" of fashion that you may or may not be aware of. Things like "black and brown back a frown". I'm sure you've heard of a couple of them at some point.
I don't know all of them and some of them might be complete bullshit but there are some general guidelines that make sense to follow. I've stated at least one and will state it again here.
Don't wear black and brown together. - The only time I can imagine there's no getting away from this are black backpacks with leather bottoms. I don't think those are a big deal as it's so common to see. Certainly something a little pet peevey though.
Don't match your shoes with your shirt. - The exception to this is monochrome such as wearing all black everything.
Don't wear different patterned pieces together.
Don't tuck in your shirt if you're not wearing a belt.
Your belt should match your shoes.
When wearing a denim jacket with jeans they should be of different shades of indigo. In other words your denim jacket should not match the color of your jeans.
When wearing a blazer with 3 buttons the following button policy should be followed starting from the top button - Sometimes, Always, Never
I'm sure there are a lot more but those are just some things I remember off the top of my head.
No.463
Back to the topic of buying things. Always keep an eye out for sales. Learn about your local stores by asking employees when they tend to get new stock in (sometimes it's every day) and when they tend to transition into the new season (so they have sales to get rid of old season stock). Labor Day and Black Friday are two examples of big blowout sales.
If at this point in time you're just looking to cop basics that fit you well there's nothing wrong with buying some shit on sale at Zumiez or PacSun. Plain t-shirts can be copped from just about anywhere and most of them are fine. Just try them on and find the right fit. Maybe the crew neck is too tight or the torso is too boxy. What you want to avoid are obnoxious branding on the pieces. As an example some of the joggers at Zumiez aren't too bad as long as you get ones in solid color throughout.
When ever you're buying anything from a mall store take the time to thoroughly inspect the piece. Look at the stitching. Feel the material. Check the tag and look at what it's made of. Try it on and move around in it. I never buy anything from any store unless I feel absolutely confident in the piece I'm interested in.
Unfortunately you don't get this luxury ordering online so you just have to take a chance with online purchases. Instead read over their return policy very carefully.
No.464
Stepping up to designer pieces is either trust fund baby status or fashion enthusiast territory. Sometimes there's a certain aesthetic only obtained with a specific piece by a certain designer. You probably shouldn't be experimenting with designer pieces until you're absolutely confident in the image you've settled on.
There are some "entry level" lines available. You frequently see these in the form of collaborations. Uniqlo probably the most famous here with their recent UniqloxPlokhov line and the return of UniqloxJill Sanders.
Collaborations aren't necessarily the true essence of designer pieces but they do offer you a look into appreciating articles that tend to be a bit more unique in silhouette and construction than average.
No.466
Finally, your body plays an important role in your image. Some things work better for tall people and some better for short people. The way colors flow or break up can give different impressions based on your body. Your body is the foundation of your silhouette and ultimately some looks might be unsuited to you as a result. It goes without saying that you should be taking care of your body if you intend on looking good.
I've exhausted all my thoughts on fashion. Ask questions, discuss topics, point out things I'm wrong or ignorant of. I figured this would be at least somewhat informative for people who only recently started to care about their image.
No.507
Some interesting basic points, most of this is common sense but I'm sure some people will benefit from these posts.
However, you stated fuccbois should start with thrifting to discover they're style cheeply but I think its more important to get propper fitting clothes which is tiresome and unlikely if your looking at second hand clothes. Start with low cost fast-fashion and move into more expensive stuff as you go.
Also those automatic gifs almost gave me a seizure and are p. distracting. when posting walls of texts you may want to go with less "loud" gifs or stick with jpgs now that we are on 8chan
No.530
can someone make a wikia page and add all this content to it?
No.554
>>507Yeah this is definitely a valid point.
Thrifting requires the investment of your time in order to save money. The frequency of your visits and the amount of time you spend searching through the store's inventory in order to find some stuff for cheap.
If don't have time to thrift you'll be better off hitting up entry level stores and getting what you need.
It helps to know exactly what you're looking for when you go into any store. It helps you save time and hopefully some money in that you don't many any impulse buys of random stuff you find searching through inventory. Thrifting is an exception to this concept as the entire point is to look through stock and find something good.
No.555
>>554So many typos here. Fucking autocorrect. Oh well.
No.587
>>570
He does cover the basics well enough, you do need to know the rules in order to break them anyhow
No.617
>>570>makes sense to people that dont know any better!Huh, its almost as if the thread is labeled "Fuccboi Fundamentals"
if you dont like it, ignore it, dont shit-post and try to derail conversation.
Anyhow, brushing up on the very basic pillars of fashion can be useful for everyone. I see so many people focused on one thing like they're colour pallet and forget about other areas
shitposting isnt /F8/
>>554well put
No.719
>>530it's basically the 4chan sticky
pls
No.724
Let's think about grails and what they should mean to you. And really this applies to any purchase you should makes. We come back to the difference between NEEDing and WANTing something. As well as impulse buys versus thoroughly researched buys.
The problem with most impulse buys is you may often find that you the piece looks good in a vacuum. In other words it only looked good in that particular photo that inspired you to buy it but not with anything in your wardrobe. Well researched purchases involve determining whether it will COMPLIMENT your wardrobe and whether or not there are cheaper SUBSTITUTES to that item. One of the most popular examples would be the often asked "cheap alternatives to CPs". Basic white shoes that go with pretty much everything is the idea in that example. Of which there are plenty alternatives to CPs.
Grails are more often than not one of a kind items. And it make sense for them to be. That's the entire point of them being a grail is that they offer you a specific aesthetic you want with few or no substitutes.
Recently I was in the market for some white or off-white shoes. I looked over "cheap alternatives to CPs" and narrowed down my options. I've never been a fan of Converse but something really drew me to CDG Plays. Alternatives for the same aesthetic were standard Converse in white or off-white and Shoes Like Pottery. The red and blue stripes on the Converse brand Converse really turned me off from both shoes. I see them around campus and the colored stripes ruin it for me. Shoes Like Pottery looked great, but at the time I wasn't aware of any place I could order them. Even if I knew where I could order them from the price was quite a bit higher and I wasn't sure if the blue soles did it for me. In the end I found CDG Plays to be exactly what I wanted without any substitute that interested me. I thought the logo and black racing stripe were nice accent touches to the shoe and the overall color was perfect for what I wanted. Sure they might be "played out" or very common in other areas, but I hadn't seen a single soul on my campus wearing them. I felt confident about copping them. I was excited to get them in the mail. Even more excited to lace them up how I wanted and start beating them up. That's how you should feel every time you buy something. Positive emotions with no second thoughts.
I wouldn't say feeling emotions about having something other people don't have is an expression of arrogance. But there are definitely emotions to be felt in knowing that you are "unique" amongst the crowd. Having shoes that nobody else isn't really anything to get all that excited about, but there's a certain amount of confidence knowing that you're not another cookie cut image of everyone else around you. A certain amount of satisfaction in knowing that the things you're wearing are of higher quality than mall-tier fast fashion. If we're all being honest with ourselves that concept is probably why many of us care about our image enough to frequent a fashion bard. It would be easy to just wear the same basic shit as everyone else, but instead we're seeking those next level fits.
No.764
>>744
how will this b diff from tuxbell.com?
No.1073
>>466>Finally, your body plays an important role in your image. Some things work better for tall people and some better for short people. The way colors flow or break up can give different impressions based on your body. Your body is the foundation of your silhouette and ultimately some looks might be unsuited to you as a result.Where should I go to for more guides on this?
>>461>Don't match your shoes with your shirt.Why?
>Don't wear black and brown together.Why?
No.1078
>>1073>Why?Not OP, but these are commonly accepted fashion rules. There are exceptions, of course, but in general, if you're just starting out and still learning about fashion, then you should follow them.
No.1112
>>1078The whole point of this thread is to uncover the rules behind the rules.
No.1113
>>744hey there i have something i jsut made other than wikia
http://rag.hol.es/it uses media wiki and is more of its /own/ kinda thing
please email me so we can work on it together and stuff
No.1114
ok, just made a logo
opinions please
No.1126
>>1114I think some diagonal slashes btwn the F and the a would be pretty nifty
No.1133
>>1114My nigga that looks like the hyper dub logo
No.1137
>>1126ok so sumthin like this now
No.1150
>>1137>>1114Here something like this just better quality (I have like 2002 MS paint)
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No.1160
>>1155filename says it all
No.1161
>>1160is very good comrade :^)
No.1162
>>1150this should be alright right
No.1216
>>1162Yeah, that's pretty much what I was shooting for
No.1288
>>466What are some good entry-level shoes?
No.1297
>>1288For menswear or streetwear?
Brogues or chelseas for the first, ETQs, Skate his, some unique-ish converse for the second
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No.1303
>>1297Don't buy supras, they feel cheap af, look okay if you wear a monochrome pair. Nevermind, it's not like i have too many options in my country.
No.1397
w2c pants
No.1411
>>1397some fox racing shit
No.1415
basically just be yourselves~
No.1417
>>1415Honestly pretty shit advice in most cases
No.1427
>>1411I assumed that was a decoration rather than legit branding.
I now don't know why I assumed that
No.1444
Yohji Yamamoto: The Poet of Black.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ovpSDZRAlwUnderstand it and you'll avoid being a fashion victim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCsGLWrfE4YObligatory.
No.1465
>>1444>>1444That's pretty cornball ass music. Aint gonna watch that. Tryna be all melodramatic as if it was a film scored by WEG. Fuck that shit.
Also, it's misleading as fuck pairing this babby shit with Yohji in the same post. Next black? Pfft. It aint even about black in this shit. Stop, you clearly aint know anything posting bs like this. "Understand it and you'll avoid being a fashion victim."
No.1479
>>1444Ty, really liked the doc.
No.1481
>>1465I know, it should be yohji talking, nothing more. That said, what he says is pure gold, but like everything in fashion, this should be taken with a grain of salt. And i was talking about yohji when i said that about avoiding being a fashion victim, my post could be misleading, sorry.