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ff9865 No.6588[Reply]

Welcome to /girltalk/'s 'Male thread'! The area of our board dedicated solely to males.

In here, males can ask questions, hang around and post if they so please!

The only thing we ask is be smart. Coming to a female-centric board to complain about the female gender as a whole is tasteless.

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da463b No.7011

File: e895dc829099ccb⋯.jpg (9.95 KB, 123x100, 123:100, PleasedTad.jpg)


PervAnon again. I think the best way to describe it would be like those moments in movies or shows where the guy gets smothered woth kisses, and when they show him again, he's covered in lipstick.

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3c88d5 No.4654[Reply]

I am the new board owner now… And boy, this place really needs a fix.

Feel free to post any advice, tip or suggestion to me in this thread. I need all the help I can get if we want to MAKE /GIRLTALK/ GREAT AGAIN.

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bfcd93 No.6920


The thread went to shit.

Plus, now we have the Designated Male Threads. Males can have their little discussions there.

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36bad6 No.6302[Reply]

I would presume they have a particular affinity for music performed by somebody with a magnetic stage presence and a flair for showmanship like Prince or Eric Johnson, whom they see as objects of desire, and Madonna or Paula Abdul, whom they see as role models they want to emulate.

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962246 No.6975

File: cbe5a2b2b71a6e6⋯.webm (5.87 MB, 500x500, 1:1, user48736353001 - 35 Japa….webm)

File: b01212aa8e37472⋯.webm (2.27 MB, 500x500, 1:1, user48736353001 - Quad Ra….webm)




there's some unreleased afx, you're welcome

962246 No.6981

File: 55de1dce90c100e⋯.webm (1.8 MB, 500x500, 1:1, user18081971 - 10 Inthesk….webm)

File: db8c93a7b3ed1e2⋯.webm (1.34 MB, 500x500, 1:1, user18081971 - 9 Un Chopp….webm)

1b9a9f No.6997

File: ef4c9a86b64e9dc⋯.jpg (54.26 KB, 736x877, 736:877, MJ vitiligo.jpg)

File: 709deb2039f2af0⋯.jpg (64.64 KB, 337x426, 337:426, vitiligo2002.jpg)


But Michael Jackson dindu nuffin. He had vitiligo, which destroyed almost all of his black pigments. He was very insecure about that and this is why he covered the white spots with makeup when he was more black than white in his concerts and other public events.

0a7b9e No.7006


He did nothing wrong, yeah. And it was a shame.

But I still lament it, as he totally became less handsome.

His sick moves, yet somewht average looks are what made him shine in my book. And his music too, but I am talking about him in scene.

1b9a9f No.7014

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


Yee, and he made breakdancing quite popular with the robot and creating the moonwalk. His voice was also something else, he could hit high notes which are almost impossible for men in general, plus the mix of screaming and a high voice was something really unique. God, I miss him. He had to suffer so much in his last years, especiall for all these bullshit child molester/pedophile accusations and Sony doing everything they could to fuck him over.

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24488e No.5268[Reply]

Where can I get a kurisu gf?

(Reminder that anime was the result ot TWO (2) nukes)
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5ca35a No.7008



>Companies don't make males characters fr he sole purpose of turning girl on most of the time… Same can't be said the other way around, and it speaks volumes of our art.

Fetish fuel is defined thusly:

>for any element of a story that serves to titillate the reader's erotic or obsessional sensibilities.

Vampires. Werewolves. Billionaires. Surgeons. Pirates. Cowboys. I could go on.


Are you going to suggest that female romance novels do not exist? Fuck, I guess all those novels covered with hairless faggots sporting six packs at the supermarkets just don't exist. Silly me. They were all written for men who have power obsessions.

045f1e No.7009

File: cf84fcde862e3a2⋯.jpg (367.56 KB, 865x1024, 865:1024, kurisuismad.jpg)


We've been over this already. She is the perfect girl. Not some dirty fetish fuel stuff.

4ce24f No.7010


you are ugly

045f1e No.7012

File: 46e8d6fe904ff58⋯.png (637.59 KB, 1400x1000, 7:5, doitforkurisu2.png)


I believe the thread wasn't about how ugly/non-ugly I am.

c19dc3 No.7013


Shit, let's take Iron Man. You think that's a male power fantasy? Do you know how many letters Stan Lee received from females saying that they think that they could "fix him"?

Iron Man is fetish fuel for women, moreso than men.

Don't dare claim that there's no female "fetish" fantasy industries. 50 Shades of Grey, billions of dollars, fastest selling paperback of all time.

So, really, quit being dishonest. Don't get upset about a cute aspie, sci-fi love story with a bit of depth and dismiss it as "fetish fuel" when I can talk about how females get off to "fixing" and fucking vampires and pirates.

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b62afc No.5505[Reply]

I like feet.

I can only hope some women are fine with that. Most aren't and find it weird and gross. That fucks me up. I don't like that.

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b1265a No.6556


Do you mean in the stinky smelly kind of way or the "it's just part of the body" sort of way?

c6a376 No.6987

File: ca2b619f182d1aa⋯.png (151.29 KB, 500x309, 500:309, shrug.png)

Might as well ask this here. I just don't understand why so many normalfags and (according to this thread) women in general are grossed out by something simple like a foot, armpit, back, neck or belly button fetish.

I mean, it seems like there's many every day garments that are made specifically to accentuate those body parts. So I don't understand why people are surprised by the concept that some are attracted to them.

392a68 No.6993


One thing is attraction.

Another completely different thing is attributing sexual traits to things were there isn't any.

All fetishes are creepy one way or another, even mine. I am self-aware enough to know that, so why not you, guys?

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c6a376 No.7000

File: a827f0cb362d238⋯.png (396.9 KB, 378x513, 14:19, ClipboardImage.png)


Well, I just find it weird that people can say "How would anybody ever be attracted to feet or armpits? Who wants to see that?" while walking past a advertisement poster like this for example. I have a slight armpit fetish at best but I can still conclude how others feel in that regard.

392a68 No.7003


I don't see anything remotely sexual in that ad.

The girl is pretty attractive all around. But only focusing on her fett and armpits is not normal

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a1381d No.6206[Reply]

Why do robots hate themselves, ultimately generalizing women in a bad light? Not all robots are like this, but there are some that are pretty vocal about it.

what type of woman makes them like this. how do we stop it.

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8c8d18 No.6927


You are an idiot and you're only shooting yourself in the foot. Think about what you're saying here: You are essentially demanding that white people women apologize for being of the same race gender as those that did colonialism feminism, and consequently all white people women should take responsibility for the actions that other people of their race gender did.

How do you think they would react? You demonstrate that you will always hate europeans women unless they increasingly prostrate and humiliate themselves before you because they are all imperialists feminists. Their reaction will ultimately be defensive and hostile so you'll drive them towards ethnonationalism feminism and create an enemy where you had none.

I get that you are jaded about women, but demanding apologies and prostration from europeans is the entire reason /pol/acks are a thing. Instead of playing the blame game, it would be more practical to say that feminism sucks and has perverted many women into hateful, selfish bitches and is a major cause of your problems, rather than implying or outright stating that the """""girls""""" here are exactly the same and must apologize. The former is likely to drive them away from feminism and make them more conscious of their actions while the latter will create hostility.

Imagine if a nigger went up to you and said:

"Ugh. What those dutch rubber farmers did to their workers back in the day was absolutely disgusting. I'm glad those sick motherfuckers are in the ground."

How would you react to that compared to if said nigger went up to you and said


6d0858 No.6928


>Not the same guy, in relation to your "ok" comment.

I apologize, I mistunderstood. Happy? I can't even follow the retardation at this point.

>in a thread asking why robots are this way

He was replying to a post, maybe yours, >>6486

and described that this "holds true for him". Then goes on his autistic rant about how life isn't fair.

>A dick isn't a sign of manhood.

Yeah and neither is an entitled, low functioning autist who rails against his parents while they pay his rent. He has a victim complex. It's not a "type" of woman or even women in general that caused him to be a fuckup. If he wants to rail against them, he's free to do whatever he wants. I'm not offended, and I'm not stepping up to the plate to white knight.

I just don't see the problem when I call either of them out for being morons. Maybe you see a problem because it conflicts with a useful scapegoat.

And, just to end this conversation: people are monsters. It's not an exclusive male or female thing. I'm a monster in my own way, I certainly lack empathy in situations where it'd be best if I was compassionate. Maybe I feel like shit about it, or maybe I justify it in some way.

But whatever man, rail against the opposite sex all you want. Call them cunts and filthy, subhuman whores if it makes you feel better. Not going to be offended for them. Doesn't change a thing about your situation.

56655d No.6938


I wasn't blaming women, I was describing their nature. You're an idiot for thinking feminism was caused by some (((bogeyman))) and isn't just the honest expression of female nature. Look to ancient Roman history and you'll see the same melodrama played out after women's rights were expanded.

I'm not worried about antagonizing women because I've confirmed to 99.5% reliability through endless conversations with women on the Internet as well as observations of others' stories that women will never take any responsibility for their behavior and that they also would just prefer all non-Chad men to give them gifts and then go die in a fire somewhere.

I don't want to reform women because it is impossible. They are war machines crafted by evolution to manipulate and eat men and generate the next generation. I see their function in the scheme of things and think they have a transfixing beauty like like snakes or fires, but I don't want to get eaten or burned so I will stay away.

To conclude, here is an excerpt from a poem " The Female of the Species" by Rudyard Kipling, about 100 years ago:

Man, a bear in most relations—worm and savage otherwise,—

Man propounds negotiations, Man accepts the compromise.

Very rarely will he squarely push the logic of a fact

To its ultimate conclusion in unmitigated act.

Fear, or foolishness, impels him, ere he lay the wicked low,

To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe.

Mirth obscene diverts his anger—Doubt and Pity oft perplex

Him in dealing with an issue—to the scandal of The Sex!

But the Woman that God gave him, every fibre of her frame

Proves her launched for one sole issue, armed and engined for the same;

And to serve thPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

617777 No.6992

File: 52b4778b93a31ad⋯.jpg (69.46 KB, 640x625, 128:125, maybe you should hustle.jpg)



Chill out.

e25779 No.7002


Group pressure from other robots.

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6a1231 No.6965[Reply]

Itt: tell us autistic stories like in the boyim autism thread. Don't be shy, this is an anonymous basket weaving bulletin board centered around chinese cartoons.

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c96b07 No.6977


I thought people would laugh but alas, they did not.

I was "that girl" in Sunday School. Basically a weird bug.

8f76e4 No.6978


i don't get it

c96b07 No.6980


There's nothing to get. I was just stupid, that's the moral of the story.

6a1231 No.6985


Did any of you bakas embarrass your selves around guys?

c96b07 No.6990

File: 41241a5c2c7195d⋯.jpg (407.72 KB, 900x1154, 450:577, 41241a5c2c7195dc008a5c5105….jpg)


>be me

>in 1st grade of highschool

>massive thirst for a 4th year guy

>lesbo friend knew about that, so she told the guy

>he comes to talk to me one day

>"hi" he said, standing on the classroom's door

>slammed the door quickly and run to the class' corner, hiding and playing with my GBA

>lesbo friend, laughing, tells him I shy

This bitch knew I would sperg. Yet she told him and guided him to the class. She didn't gave up there tho, she wanted to embarrass me more with him.

I liked platonic loves better. Just contemplate guys from afar.

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7042a6 No.6922[Reply]

Girls, what games do you play?

I am a poorfag so I have to rely on F2P games like La Tale and Dueling Book's yugioh, Which I am playing atm. But what do you girls play recently? What have you played? And what do you suggest?

Maybe we could play something together sometime.

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7042a6 No.6968



I said no males you dork.

Also I have already played every decent PSX an GBA game there is.

228ac6 No.6971


I'll definitely check out Hello Charlotte, I love RPGmaker horror games.

7f7453 No.6976


Yeah. They are all around £10-15 expect from pubg.

7042a6 No.6979



Custom assets, I imagine.


I just googles PUBG and its a shooter. I was never into that kind of games. If I wanted non-fantastic violence, I would see the news.

7042a6 No.6982

File: 66ff200d72a5c0f⋯.jpg (16.28 KB, 387x589, 387:589, 20429920_477297105960563_5….jpg)


Speaking of RPGmaker horror… Have you tried Yume Nikki?

Pic related: fan art made by my lil sis

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556ccb No.4947[Reply]

Lets talk masturbation. Tips, tricks, pitfalls. Whats the best way to get off? How do you do it discreetly? Masturbation while on the rag? How do you get the pussy smell off your fingers?

Lets talk ladies

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a6e29e No.6510


Female masturbation is a lot of work, and mostly taboo. So I don't blame you for not knowing, specially.with conservative parents. Note that most women are sexually frustrates for suh reasons. We just can't be, sadly.

Most women can't cum. Its basically a.myth for most. Others only do so in moments of extreme heat. Maybe you are just a dry one.

Do you have sexual desires or not? If not, then all cool. If yes, prepare to be frustrated for a long time. Trust me

d60bcf No.6554


oh my favourite shitpost is saying something like, "why does it hurt/bleed so much when I brush my clit/put it in me"

never fails


I'm sorta on-off if I shave then I get obsessive about it and shave in the shower for the closest cut but if I'm not trying to impress anyone I just let it all grow into a massive bush and just trim it every few weeks


I can orgasm easy-ish like about fifteen minutes flicking the bean does it for me but I've never had vaginal orgasm from dildos, dicks, nothing

you sound like my first gf though there was nothing either of us could do to get her off and she was borderline asexual… so I really don't know if there's anything that can help sorry

9ea757 No.6559

I will not read any of your dirty secrets. Filthy girls. plsbinlondon

b13606 No.6934

File: 5fe819acf604028⋯.webm (1.38 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, mastobeetus.webm)

a6e29e No.6950


I need Jesus inside of me.

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8437eb No.5525[Reply]

Do you like fashion? How do you dress?

I notice that most men might dress with fancy or crappy clothes but have none or almost no idea of how to match clothes.

Girls on the other hand always try to have at least something in their outfit that gives a touch of cuteness.

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e1a3b9 No.5940


So mainstream, even boys wear them. Fug.


I wore then back in school days below my uniform too. Better safe than sorry, so no problems thefe.

e22897 No.5945

File: beb6f0730353210⋯.jpg (102.11 KB, 1280x720, 16:9, gun (2).jpg)



You fucked up for the last time, this phoneposting needs to end!

e1a3b9 No.5949


Do you want me to activate autocorrect or something

4203bd No.6570

I like fashion, and sometimes I feel like the only guy among my peers who actually does try to match clothes with varying styles. My friends call me gay, but whatevs.

63dba5 No.6945



Kek'd. I don't even follow any mental rules when picking what to wear.


>22 years old

>already a cat lady

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bc75c6 No.5964[Reply]

With my qt 3.14 we always fall asleep together with B or F position.

A also quite often but always ends up in sex.

Do all of you like to cuddle?

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066af0 No.6467


I really like A, because I can push my penis into her bum, but I figure it would make me just horny over a prolonger period of time.

B is good, but I would prefer her head lower and more near my throat. I guess the leg over her leg would be a bit akward.

F is great, but her lying directly on me would be better.

C, D, E, G and H are for loveless normie couples, who only stay together, because they would feel lonely otherwise.

I is missing where I am lying on the couch watching a movie with her on top of me with her back on my tummy.

a80cf1 No.6499

File: 1c551ee0dd7644d⋯.png (1.06 KB, 500x250, 2:1, Oekaki.png)

I like to lay on my back and then have her lay on top of me with her head resting just beneath my chin. So like F but a little different.

066af0 No.6912


How do I get the flag btw?

e7dd5b No.6930


drop down menu at the bottom of the reply box

066af0 No.6933

thanks, male femanon

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6939fd No.6577[Reply]

The reason this board is /r9k/ 2.0 lately is because its threads are showing up on the front page. You should see if there's a way to disable that. You should also be extra vigilant and ruthless about banning people for the next while. Unfortunately if you also cannot find an alternate method to get traffic to the board it will fade out, so you are in a fix unless people tell others about it through some other method.

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2befa7 No.6707

File: b79e2a7fb790103⋯.webm (5.19 MB, 640x480, 4:3, have you ever baneposted ….webm)

aecd64 No.6709


kek. the autism in that video is off the fucking charts

a4dd7a No.6717

File: 815f10c41cfabf7⋯.webm (7.73 MB, 480x270, 16:9, he wasnt alone.webm)



The autism rises, brother.

a4dd7a No.6724

File: 4571f7334ecf8ce⋯.webm (2.88 MB, 1920x1080, 16:9, entire plane scene in 4D.webm)

File: 183c880751586c7⋯.webm (1.74 MB, 640x360, 16:9, Congratulations nolan.webm)

d7eb69 No.6907


You showed them. You'll get pussy now big boy.

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dfb7d9 No.6098[Reply]

How bad was your first time? How much did it hurt?

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19b5bc No.6693


>That's not how those things go.

I got some news for you

>Was he good.

We weren't flirting and I'm not a faggot either. He wanted to prove that he hasn't a nigger nose, but he has. He looks alright, a mixture of Western and Eastern African features - that's something you don't see often.

76f35b No.6694


>I got some news for you

How many times have you been to a club.

e517dd No.6695


Your post on this made it sound like he had shown you his masculinity.

I mean unless he did that with a nose pic in which case he probably was flirting with you.

19b5bc No.6696


Not often, and I'll never go there and to similar establishments/scenarios again. But I grew up in a lower milieu and that's how people there got to know each other.


Yeah, he probably is a faggot. That's why we haven't written to each other for almost a month now.

abbff1 No.6898


Mine hurt so bad that we had to stop and do it again another time. Don't know whether it was cause he was big or I wasn't turned on enough.

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760b73 No.6153[Reply]

To all the regulars of /girltalk/.

As you can see, we are being spammed to death with blatant trolls who do not seek to discuss anything.

Now, I don't want to hand out bans like candy or make this a hugbox. But what idea do you guys have? We certainly don't want this to become /fem/, where males trolled freely.

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760b73 No.6813


Typing in phone is shit.

ff86a9 No.6817

File: 40cd45d2f83fdc7⋯.webm (638.99 KB, 640x360, 16:9, hotpocket.webm)

Obligatory. Bully me not.

bed868 No.6851




One anon asked what happened, so i explained the situation to her and also posted the archive so that she could see for herself

Then i kept replying because you tried to rationalize your doing it for free

Finally, if you need to ban and delete "male mentalities and political standpoints" for lack of proper counter arguments maybe you should consider the thought that you were simply wrong

760b73 No.6859



What now.

8ecaa7 No.6939

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wew lad

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fa07a1 No.5870[Reply]

What is a good date ?

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eacfb0 No.6088


This weekend we celebrate our first year together.

Misspelled your greentext.

>shit that will never happen to me/10


4b18e5 No.6089


>we went to watch turbo

Why are you going out with 12 year olds

eacfb0 No.6090


> I was gonna say you blew it

Naturally those wasn't my first words after seeing her, but I did introduce myself in the most honest way possible. From then in five years and a small briefing about my world view.

Gotta say anon, the best you can ever do in a date is just being yourself that doesn't mean scratch your ballsack in front of her and being honestDon't start praising Hitler as your first move. You have to have something to offer.

I am already a house owner 25 y/oand working as Maths teacher. That alone puts me on a higher ground than most spergs here.

<Did she ask to meet up again or not?

>Next day I called her, she didn't answer.

>Called me about five minutes later and we set up a new date some days later.

e53d1f No.6134

File: 6b38ad95915b0ab⋯.png (39.76 KB, 345x230, 3:2, ClipboardImage.png)


I mean, you didn't even have to answer the "lol u loser, I bet she didn't even set up another date" posts with just a screencap, dude.

Regardless, that's sweet. It's how my ideal first date would turn out.

6f9565 No.6843


You remind me of myself back in the day. I would commit everything to page when I wrote anything. There are just some things which aren't necessary dude, and most people will just skim over them. I actually did read through the entirety of your post, but I guarantee not many people will want to because you've put so many minute details in there.

But whatever. If it works for you keep it.


Hey man, well that's great. It was actually my thesis for a long time. I respect honesty and trust and the truth above pretty much anything else, and it actually got me into trouble quite a few times. After getting kicked out of my place for a bit among other things, I realised I had to choose my words more carefully in front of people whose sole intention it was to judge you, which was why I actually never got accepted into any of the job interviews I went to before I was 19, and probably also why I wasn't in my first real relationship until I was the same age, and even that was a travesty because I scraped the bottom of the barrel. A year or so later I finally met the girl who respects me as much as I respect her, but even so I had to get hurt before I did. I still try to remain as honest as I can though, and if I have to choose my words carefully sometimes I find that as acceptable losses.

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