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db7965 No.18799[Reply]

Sup fellow /his/torians, I don't see recent kebababia mentioned often. I've been doing some reading recently on the Iraq war and the Iran-Iraq war, and Israel and Saudi Arabia and all that fun stuff and have reckoned that the middle east, at least in this day and age is a silly place.

So let's discuss the middle east from the formation of Israel to the Fall of Baghdad. Lot's of interesting bits in there from the Treaty of Damascus, Saddam Hussein, the Islamic Revolution, Ahmadinejad and more. I normally prefer classical history or Medieval history but all the wars and little politics in the Mid East is retarded.

So to kick things off, why does everyone hate Iran so much? I'm talking 1979 Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was not only getting shitkicked by the most dysfunctional country on the planet after launching a surprise attack, it was also getting ridiculous amounts of foreign aid from the Soviets and Allies.

So /his/ do you agree the Mid East is a silly place? What's the most ridiculous thing you have to say about the Mid East in that time period?

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17b848 No.22572

>>18799

Revolutionary Iran represented several ideological and economic threats to the great powers and its local neighbors. International oil interests in the Persian Gulf, a government that wanted neither U.S. nor Soviet support in a region full of governments that continuously swayed one way or the other thanks to a lack of any stable local power to help other independent minded states, and its Islamist Republic ideology directly challenged both the secular nationalist/communist republics of the region but also the various monarchies as well.

The ethnic and religious fear of Iran from its Arab Sunni neighbors developed a lot more slowly over the course of the Iran-Iraq War, as Iran had a more universal/imperial attitude at first before eventually consolidating itself as the bulwark of Shi'a Islam.


64ab2a No.22587

>>18799

>why does everyone hate Iran so much?

Iran emerged as a theocratic state at a time when most dictators were forming pan-Arab movements.


000000 No.22599

>>22572

Best answer.

Anyone have any good resources on post-medieval to modern Middle East history? I'm the same as OP.


678c8c No.22600

>>18799

>why does everyone hate Iran so much

the Shia, Sunni distinction is true. the secular, theocratic distinction is true

also there were border tensions between Iran and Iraq. Iraq was unsatisfied with border arrangements that it thought were illegitimate.

it also wanted to seize the oil-rich Khuzestan Province. Iran-Iraq was similar to the invasion of Kuwait


d9a1dd No.22601

>>18799

>why everyone hates Iran?

Even within Iran there are some group which are not satisfied with current political arrangement. Ahmadinejad was representing group of Islamist which not pleased with today's Rahbar.




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2e17c2 No.22539[Reply]

I'm visiting Iran in a month and I've done most of my preparations. One last thing I want is to ask you /his/tory about directions. I have time and I need to crunch the whole history of the nation for a better experience while visiting.

I've just finished reading Starr's Lost Enlightenment. What books or sites, maybe even documentaries do you suggest?

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000000 No.22565

>>22561

no probs brah

Cambridge History of Iran

Vesta Sarkhosh Curtis, Sarah Stewart-The Idea of Iran vols I-III

John Curtis, St. John Simpson-The World of Achaemenid Persia

Christopher Tuplin-Persian Responses; Political and Cultural Interaction Within the Achaemenid Empire

I don't have much for medieval and modern

Andrew J. Newman-Safavid Iran Rebirth of a Persian Empire

Efraim Karsh-The Iran-Iraq War


876cd3 No.22594

Do you speak Farsi?


7ebba9 No.22595

>>22594

No. I'm interested in picking up as much language as I can while visiting.


876cd3 No.22596

>>22595

You need to start now and start learning a lot. Especially the alphabet.


7ebba9 No.22598

>>22596

I've already learned the alphabet. I'm still having problems reading and writing, though. How letters combine gives me a headache even though it's simple and intuitive.




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e3eb44 No.18804[Reply]

What if Martel was unable to stop the Arab invasion? How much would it have mattered?

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c99bbf No.18826

>>18812

The muslim conquests are nothing but successful raids in general.


61a366 No.18829

The consequence of Martel's campaign wasn't a Muslim free Europe, it was a Northern Frankish domination of southern Romano-Gallic/Visigoth Aquitaine and Provence. From then on the Kings of France starting with Pepin claimed the region and would continuously try to invade and subjugate the region politically and militarily until its final incorporation into the royal demesne after the Albigensian Crusades.

Tours was a consequence of a campaign that began when a Muslim Basque emir rebelled and allied with the Duke of Aquitaine, Odo. Abderrahman subjugated his vassal, then turned on Odo to dominate him as well as pay his Berber troops with pillage to prevent their imminent rebellion. Odo lost, then turned to Charles in desperation figuring he'd rather be a vassal and retain his lands then not have them at all. So Charles met Abderrahman and won.

But what followed was several decades of devastating campaigning against Aquitaine by the Franks, some years far more ravaging than the Moorish raid had been, where Aquitaine rebelled against her northern governor and sometimes hired Moorish mercenaries to defend against Carolingian reprisals. At the same time there were one or two towns held by independent Muslim adventurers which existed well into the 10th century


a35e62 No.18840

Can somebody remind me of that chivalric romance talking about the fall of France under the hands of the Caliphate? I can't find it right now and I can't remember if it's a christian or muslim andalusi book.


9d90c2 No.18845

>>18840

Song of Roland?


b2ec3c No.22579

>>18826

>The muslim conquests are nothing but successful raids in general.

In the case of Spain, Italy and North Africa, that might have been the case. We could be overestimating just how much central planning and control went into these campaigns when they may in fact better resemble the Norman conquest and settlement of Normandy and Sicily: bands of adventurers and their kin muscling their way into politically fragmented places as mercenaries and bandits who later unified themselves under a charismatic leader, allowing later chroniclers to then fabricate a narrative giving this legendary figure and his court a more palatable origin story than being the best warlord among warlords.

For the Western Mediterranean Muslim powers, that may have involved adopting Arabic titles and clan names in an attempt to link their rule with the early Caliphate.




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230185 No.17396[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

Historical flags.

So I have a folder with a ton of early American and Confederate flags. I figure I will dump them here.

Enjoy.
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bd5932 No.21826

Saving this thread with many survivors


de474c No.22246

I'm here to shamelessly promote the board >>>/vex/

sage because I'm still not a tremendous faggot


825709 No.22519

>>17396

Thank you based anon, I thought I was the only flagfag around here. Unfortunately I have nothing to post, as all of the flagfag material that I have is in the form of hard copy books


d53bcf No.22532

>>22519

Get a hand scanner mate, we need more flags!


bebf58 No.22555

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i would like this threa more if i could actually recognize half of these things




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24607a No.22248[Reply]

Okay, so I believe the Civil War was not over slavery, at least not in the way that modern liberals like to portray it as. Here's my argument.

The south had, for a long time, been opposed to and been exploited by tariffs, and this was at a time when the federal government's revenue primarily relied upon tariffs. The southern economy had an extremely weak industrial base, so if they wanted to sell their cotton they couldn't do it locally, not generally.

The north, on the other hand, had a strong industrial base, and the majority of the tax dollars were spent there (bridges, roads, whatever).

When a southern farmer wanted to sell his cotton, he had to pay money to the government which would primarily be spent in the north. Putting a tariff made industrial goods from Europe more expensive to southerners, basically this allowed the north to do a shittier job of providing industrial goods; put simply this was protectionism, which protected the north from European competitors at the expense of the south.

Obviously, this was a shitty deal for the south. Around 1860, the only barrier to the more populous north raising tariffs could be one of two things

-Democrats having 50% of the seats in the Senate

-Democrats having the oval office

If the Democrats had neither of those, there was no barrier to the northern politicians exploiting the south further beyond compassion… By the way, the north raised tariffs as soon as the civil war ended, surprise!

When the south lost their 50% in the Senate AND a Republican president got into office there was no way for them to prevent a hike in tariffs. President Lincoln promised in his inaugural address not to interfere with existing slavery, so there was not going to be a compelling threat to the existence of slavery for at least another 4 years, probably 8. The immediate crisis for the south was tariffs.

-The south could see that the north was going to go after slavery eventually, but there was no immediate threat to it

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951419 No.22254

No. It was mainly about slavery. Despite what Lincoln might have said, everyone in the South knew that he was very sympathetic to the cause of emancipation. Most of t he facts you used were right and contributed to southern resentment of the North, but slavery was more important and influential in the southern economy than tariff increases.


24607a No.22259

>>22254

>Despite what Lincoln might have said, everyone in the South knew that he was very sympathetic to the cause of emancipation

That's definitely true. But that still doesn't qualify as an immediate threat. If slavery was the issue why not enjoy Lincoln's promise of not interfering with it or secede as soon as interference began (like the first anti-slavery bill passed the House). From a purely practical perspective, why not wait four years if slavery was the real issue?


3ed6cf No.22542

>>22259

From my understanding, Southerners thought that the government had failed them, and with the "opposing ideology" now in power (in contrast to a precarious balance seen in years prior) it would be a long march to an ending of slavery. A march that they would be powerless to stop with the loss of pretty much any power they had in washington d.c.




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72b3d0 No.22379[Reply]

Hey /his/. So I was born to a modern Assyrian family from Northwestern Iran, specifically Urmia. I don't know much history and I only lurk /his/ ever once in a while, so I thought you might know more about it. How accurate is the claim by modern Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs that they are a unique race almost purely descended from ancient Assyrians, Babylonians, and Sumerians? Sure, our language (all of the collective dialects called Neo-Aramaic) is unique and is more similar than Hebrew or Arabic to ancient Aramaic, and even older Akkadian. Additionally, our religion (Christianity, mainly Orthodoxy) has remained unique, and has also lead to persecution by Arabs and other Muslims. This has caused many Assyrians to go into hiding after the 7th Century, remaining isolated from most of the now-Arab world until Western powers took control of the region. However, the modern Assyrian "identity" wasn't known until the 19th century when British archeologists began discovering ancient artifacts in Mesopotamia.

Unfortunately there is a lot of hearsay and pseudo-evidence to support this claim, so do any of you know if modern Assyrians are really a unique genetic group that are descendent from Ancient Mesopotamians? Or are they just a collection of Arabs, Persians, Jews, Turks, etc. who are deluded, because they happen to speak different dialects of an ancient language which was already widespread at one point.

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e7e57f No.22386

For most every case except very early colonial events like the ancient Celtic and Japanese migrations into Britain and Japan respectively, or with recent British colonies like the US, Canada, and Australia, a population does not for the most part replace or displace the natives. In the Middle East and in many other places you had a small elite population such as a nomadic tribe or imperial upper class that mixed with the local population that always greatly outnumbered the newcomers. And even more common was cultural drift of large sections of the native population which adopted the new or otherwise fusion culture introduced by the newcomers.

For that reason those that identity as Assyrian or another minority identity are not likely any more (or less) native to the region than, say, someone who identifies as a Sunni Arab from around the same area.

As you noticed, Assyrian nationalism has its practical roots in the 19th century, and that's true of almost all nationalist movements. And institutionally the various eastern churches of Mesopotamia only effectively trace their modern history to the 16th or 17th century. Beyond this is where a lot of circumstantial evidence comes into play. Speculation into connections between modern and ancient linguistics or customs.

So both suppositions are probably true: Some Assyrians probably do have a genetic legacy that can trace back tens of thousands of years. But this is also true of many other non-Assyrians in Mesopotamia. At the same time, it's also likely many Assyrian lines can be traced back to non-Assyrians, if not conceivably originate from a non-Assyrian ethnicity entirely before some ancestor decided to adopt or marry into Assyrian culture.


000000 No.22387

>>22384

Also it was the administrative language of the Achaemenids


9452b9 No.22388

to claim genetic purity is absurd, especially when you are in a place where it takes migrants for the last 5000 years

many assyrians and I would say many arabs who live in the fertile crescent are the descendants of akkadians etc

ofcs christians such as copts, phonecians etc claim they are more pure blooded since the muslim converts mixed with the arab conqurerors

but I doubt the difference is that huge.

people mix all the time or change identities all the time no one can claim a direct line of antiquity imho.


5ee050 No.22401

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>>22379

I hope this helps:

http://dodecad.blogspot.com/search/label/Assyrians

Overall, Assyrians appear to lack the Arabic element present in Muslim Mesopotamian populations, and close to Armenians in that sense.

Pics are two different projections of same genetic principal component analysis.


40d1cb No.22515

>>22379

Don't have much to contribute apart from wishing you and your people good luck in your fight for autonomy. Long live the Syriac Military Council, long live Assyria!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpuRtBkai4o




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bf2348 No.21276[Reply]

Ok so I just posted this in /lit/ for someone who wanted to stop feeling moved by 'Rule Britannia'.

Going to copy-paste it here. So, anyone else in here into the history of nationalism, patriotism, or familiar with the scholars or scholarship I am talking about?

And yes I will use my initials in all my posts here and idgaf if it goes against the spirit of anon fuk u .

"Ah, I can help you anon.

You need to realise there's a whole body of scholarship dedicated to exploring nationalism and patriotism AS constructs. Once you know how they're constructed, you won't fall into them as easily.

So, the key work was by Benedict Anderson, who wrote a couple decades ago 'Imagined Communities'. His work is famous among historians and scholars dedicated to nationalism/patriotism etc.

Read that, then read the works that followed his opening of this whole new genre- no serious scholar would ever argue nationalism and patriotism are NOT constructed.

Oh, for Englishness specifically- check out [after you've read Anderson] Mandler's 'English National Character'/ a long but rewarding and FASCINATING read.

You will then realise WHY you were moved by 'Rule Britannia' and the centuries of character-making behind your emotions.

/lit/ is a bunch of plebes just like /pol/ tbh- it's good I came across this thread. : )"

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4dd30f No.22166

>>22148

>Why would it be unlikely? just because you say so? there are alredy examples of that in today's world.

When and where?

>So? well actually, that's my point, history's full of cunts, i don't want more of that.

So you want a small dying community with no future. Nice.

>Like i'd care about that, try convincing people to fight and die for your glory, i'm sure many would follow.

Many have and many will.

>Nigga, is that your argument? really?

Yes nigger, no mental gymnastics nor revolution can change thousands of years of evolution imprinted in our genes.


0a3383 No.22174

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>>22166

>When and where?

the free software community comes to mind.

You're on a imageboard, you should know anonymous people can get bhind and achieve a goal.

What's so hard to belive about people with common interests working on them?

>So you want a small dying community with no future. Nice.

What? why would it be a small dying community? and why would you care anyway?

>Many have and many will.

Sure thing.

>Yes nigger, no mental gymnastics nor revolution can change thousands of years of evolution imprinted in our genes.

I'll assume you know without a doubt what's human nature and what we're capable of doing, i wonder what's exactly "imprinted in our genes" that makes certain thing impossible, but you know what, i'm not going to keep wasting time with you, if you're entire argument is "because i say so".

Go troll somewhere else.


4dd30f No.22178

>>22174

>the free software community comes to mind.

All because of Tesla and the Nat-soc scientists.

>What? why would it be a small dying community? and why would you care anyway?

Because I want my family to grow, not die because of muh anarchy.

>I'll assume you know without a doubt what's human nature and what we're capable of doing, i wonder what's exactly "imprinted in our genes" that makes certain thing impossible, but you know what, i'm not going to keep wasting time with you, if you're entire argument is "because i say so".

I say so because it is so, and your argument is "it will work because it works in my mind."


bfcc25 No.22512

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>>21276

>le western european people = nation = state

This meme needs to die already. If you sincerly believe this I suggest expanding your worldview beyond the UK/France.

Also yes nationalism and patriotism are social constructs, while tribalism is inherited. That doesn't mean patriotism/nationalism is bad though. I don't see why I shouldn't strive to continue the legacy of all of our ancestors that fought against immense odds to make our language and culture survive against various imperialists, be it Austrians, Hungarians, Germans, Serbians or Italians.


bfcc25 No.22514

>>21585

Malebranche and Pascal say checkmate.

Also Schopenhauer > all




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e64ace No.22165[Reply]

0ac7c3 No.22245

It wouldn't have mattered if he'd won, the world was against him and France was exhausted by the war financially and in terms of manpower. He wouldn't have lasted long


10d90d No.22361

Instead of attacking hougemont with troops, just bombard the fuck out of it with howitzers and keep the English bottled up. Focus assault on the right where there were little fortifications and roll them up from the side. I was there for the reenactment on fri/sat it was the tits.


8f59af No.22409

>>22361

But Prussia


8875a8 No.22410

>>22361

Was the reenacment different? can reenacments change the course of the battle, just for fun?

>>22409

Napoleon could have won the battle before the prussians got there, now, could the french army win another battle mere hours after another?




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3951d1 No.22253[Reply]

i was just screwing around with my axe, and i found it rather easy making a hole in a board of thick multiplex,and i realised that this stuff is stronger than most wood because of it's structure, so when multiplex was easy to break, how did they make sustainable shields?

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4b121d No.22394

>>22390

Because people who scribble on walls are stoned 16 year old retards.


cfb239 No.22395

>>22390

The second one is correct but it looks like the person didn't finish it.


8cb73b No.22399

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>>22395

>The second one is correct


e23238 No.22403

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>>22395

>The second one is correct

>it looks like the person didn't finish it.

I don't know. Maybe he forgot how the swastika looks like.


cfb239 No.22406

>>22399

>>22403

Maybe he was Hindu




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6d8e0c No.20996[Reply]

So, I created a Steam Group for /his/

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hissteam

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7b9232 No.21093

>>21051

Added you.


7b9232 No.21094

>>21093

Oh, and if anyone wants to add me, my ID is FD898962A2B390E773B6F3EF53D1B0B375D62FE8696E79187EFCC5FB99430847036634F07259


6d8e0c No.21096

OP's Android ID

15C6C307FB45393CA2236FB6D6FBFEDA415AF6CD0F6541D67853F9A52B14A80AA82C7FF9DD15


6e45ee No.21099

81D791159F6A340EFE80916F0EB77F400D7DBC78110AA7437432EE290163BE262CD9F5435E36

Mine, thanks


6d8e0c No.22317

bumping for the sake of bumping




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d6c439 No.22027[Reply]

So /his/, were the Carthaginians Indo-European? Were they blue eyed? It's something I wonder. Cheers if you can inform me.

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d6c439 No.22034

>>22033

>>22032

I guess I'll keep dreaming of qt 3.14 blue eyed brown haired Carthaginian women feeding me grapes ;_;


188b3c No.22035

>>22034

top fucking olive


df18ff No.22036

>>22027

They were certainly semitic but they owned Iberia which had Celtic/Basque blood so I guess there could have been some Iberian Carthaginians with blue eyes.


72cabf No.22050

>>22027

Carthage was a Canaanite city, so no.


0b3b75 No.22309

Brown eyes, brown hair and Phoenican clothing. Maybe a nice tan from living between North Africa and the Mediteranian




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20d60c No.22103[Reply]

SONS OF ROME

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4e7dc8 No.22126

>>22120

>>22120

So Rome went Sweden yes?


774e11 No.22278

>>22126

Yes, Rome went Sweden yes.

I'm too lazy to write the details but it gradually went that way.

I will on the other hand insist on the habit Romans had of adopting a male child (sometimes borrowing a friend's wife to create a heir..) to perpetuate the patriarchal cult of the father (in the nobles and oldest families I assume) because, yes, the father of the family was the priest of the family of some sort so he had a sacred role, and the adoption of a male heir was to make it so that the sacred family cult can live on.

I haven't read a ton of books on Rome so I cannot tell compare this info with some other infos I might have, but I assume it is as the book said.


4e7dc8 No.22291

>>22278

Didn't unmarried males get a whole lot of shit in Rome? And didn't they pussyfy over the years?


20d60c No.22295

>>22291

Unmarried males got shit, but over time traditional values were lost and marriage became a shitty deal for men and men started "going their own way" just like they've started today, even explicitly taxing bachelors wasn't enough to encourage marriage like there was.


4e7dc8 No.22296

>>22295

I guess the

>Romans ruled the world, but women ruled over Romans

quote has some ground. No wonder they failed.




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380095 No.20493[Reply]

So what's the deal with this guy? How did he get so rich?

inb4 he stole it all

Also anyone know any good reading about the West African empires of the middle ages?

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ae7213 No.20608

>>20494

>implying Soghay wasn't even bigger

>implying mansa musa was the first Malian Emperor or the ;ast


797f35 No.20610

>>20514

What does leftypol have to do with anything in this regard?

It has no context to what anon said.

Is linking to leftypol some kind of le funnay may may XD I'm not aware of?


5b2b2f No.20612

>>20514

your reddit memes are the best

please

give me more


000000 No.20614

>>20544

For the islamic world


9736de No.22286

>>20612

>2015

>still being this much of a hothead

Besides red it hates baneposting with a passion anyways.




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d5ad6f No.22192[Reply]

>He doesnt throw his pommel vigorously to end his foes rightly

f256d6 No.22194

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Best guns of their type.


8d25c2 No.22236

Fn FAL is such a sexy gun


450d5d No.22264

The ak's make me so fucking wet dude

im not gay




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2aef16 No.20650[Reply]

Is he right /his/?

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f80e00 No.22175

>>21857

For some time the allied bombing campaign had some legitimacy as germany was involved in the war on the eastern front and it did bound some capacities. But in the end it just became an unnecessary act of terror that turned a few of the biggest and oldest cities in germany into craters, of course destroying civilian areas wasn't a new thing, but doing it soley to kill the population even if the population is working in the industrial areas is still different. Warecrimes weren't a new thing either, doesn't make them any less bad.

>>21865

>Goebbels wanted total war and he got it

>"lol winners justice, they started it!"

this is how you sound, if a country claims the moraly higher ground they shouldn't have resorted to unnecessary warcimes, just because someone set a house on fire it's not justified to burn his block down. Unless you imply that civilans are to be judged for the actions of thier leaders in wartimes this isn't really a justification.

>>21866

The official story is that Britain bombed industrial areas and hit civilian targets due to ineffiency to which germany responded with air raids on the london harbor areas. Germany used strategic bombing on the eastern front before though


cd7540 No.22184

>>21864

He was a member of a group called The Focus, He got 50,000 pounds on july 22nd 1936 from the CEO of shell, sir Robert Waley Cohen as a gift from the Zionists to agitate a war with Germany.

If you check what he was writing about it fits perfectly.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v07/v07p498_Okeefe.html


4eb361 No.22185

>>21867

Who were commonly (though not exclusively) not the losers who got their shit destroyed.


4eb361 No.22186

>>21866

>And there's a difference in bombing for the sake of strategy and sending a 1000 bombers to genocide an entire city.

Clearly not a difference that the allied bomber command got, especially when you look at the difference in sheer volume of bombs dropped on populations between allied and German bombing campaigns.

By the end of the war, the Brits and Americans were basically conducting terror bombings to coerce the Germans into wanting to surrender.

The purpose wasn't necessarily to kill as many civilians as possible, but they'd long since acknowledged that going to lengths to avoid killing civilians wasn't viable either, so they basically just carpeted cities in explosives.


833b3a No.22187

>>22186

I guess they were going for a Hiroshima kind of thing.




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