[ home / board list / faq / random / create / bans / search / manage / irc ] [ ]

/his/ - History

Historical Discussion

Catalog

8chan Bitcoin address: 1NpQaXqmCBji6gfX8UgaQEmEstvVY7U32C
The next generation of Infinity is here (discussion) (contribute)
Email
Subject
Comment *
File *
* = required field[▶ Show post options & limits]
Confused? See the FAQ.
Flag
Embed
(replaces files and can be used instead)
Options
dicesidesmodifier
Password (For file and post deletion.)

Allowed file types:jpg, jpeg, gif, png, webm, mp4
Max filesize is 8 MB.
Max image dimensions are 10000 x 10000.
You may upload 5 per post.


We oughta get a board mascot eventually. Feel free to stop by the sticky meta thread with suggestions.

File: 1440058211118-0.jpg (51.74 KB, 335x400, 67:80, tumblr_nidu1bJvsO1qbrih3o3….jpg)

File: 1440058211118-1.jpg (45.34 KB, 288x339, 96:113, 20111030-stonewall_jackson….jpg)

09bbd8 No.26523[Reply]

Hey there guys I had a question perhaps you guys might be able to help me with.

I notice there were quite a lot of extremely religious men in the Civil War, particularly on the Confederacy. A very famous example would be General Stonewall Jackson.

Now what I want to know is, how can such religious people justify owning slaves/endorsing slavery and partaking in it? Doesn't that sort of go against the overall message of peace Jesus spoke of? How could so many of them claim god was on their side when they fought so hard to keep this practice going? Isn't it a contradiction?

I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys, hear your thoughts.

4 posts omitted. Click reply to view.

6a3813 No.26560

Most probable justified it one way or another. White man's burden, not considering blacks as people etc. Same way some people today call themselves a certain sect of Christianity but make exceptions to rules.


10a706 No.26568

File: 1440127108104.jpg (126.07 KB, 427x308, 61:44, muslims own slaves to this….jpg)

Let's justify slavery with the New Testament:

1 Timothy 6:1-2

>Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

>And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort.

Ephesians 6:5-9

>Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;

>Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

>With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men:

>Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free.

>And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.


8661c2 No.26637

"There is at work in this land a Yankee spirit and an American spirit."

~ James H. Thornwell, 1859


4981f5 No.26698

>>26568

Nice.


1c6e45 No.26700

Religiously motivated anti-slavery is a peculiar Anglo Saxon thing. For that matter, anti-slavery in general is a really recent thing. Your upbringing gives you a distorted view of the institution that was considered normal for thousands and thousands of years.

>>26568

This is just the start.

You actually have to make quite a stretch to argue AGAINST slavery from a religious argument.




File: 1416780412526.jpg (72.11 KB, 960x640, 3:2, image.jpg)

081e7b No.8555[Reply]

Hey /his/
Why didn't Americans or Aborigines advance as far as Asians or Europeans?
Pic extremely unrelated
55 posts and 5 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

ee3cb5 No.24770

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>24769

Maybe I misremembered, he had released complete instrumentals of albums before though.


2a57ea No.26396

Well for starters you can read the very well written and backed book by Jared Diamond: "Guns, Germs, and Steel".

It is a very good book.

:)


e60d96 No.26682

>>16968

Hello, Jared.


630d13 No.26688

>>16968

Good post

>>16782

Why would we waste time with them? They have afro centrist tier logic


7667dc No.26690

File: 1440287089594.jpg (13.16 KB, 191x255, 191:255, image.jpg)

>>16968

Quality post




File: 1437028744694.png (168.28 KB, 410x377, 410:377, gWpJ4JL.png)

dfb2f4 No.23897[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

We used the old thread but it got unorganized and screwy and someone suggested a new thread be made

And before you fucks complain about deleting another thread I'll remind you it was going to die anyways so another thread on here does nothing

Now down to business, I'm not the Organizing guy usually but I'm doing this shit anyways. The Main event we watch at 6:00 PM EST is a Part of the 1987 miniseries Captain James Cook which lasts around an hour and thirty minutes, and after that we have the Faggot posting shitposting videos but if people can wade through that shit we have the Post Movie show: 2010 War of the Three Kingdoms.

We are currently on episode 1 of the CJC miniseries and episode 4 of WOTTK, many people could not catch it all, but both of which are on youtube so if there are episodes you missed you can watch and if your too much of a faggot to do this you can read this summary:

I only have the summary for the War of the three kingdoms because I missed much of the CJC miniseries but here it goes

Episode 1 Dong Zhou is in control and using the 9 year old emperor as a tool and wields the power of emperor even though he is the Chancellor, the protagonist of this series Cao Cao is seen being a lackey of Dong Zhou and shows up uninvited to Minister Wang's 60th Birthday Party, though people thinking he is there to eavesdrop for the Dong, he says out loud that he has grown close to the villain so he can kill him, everyone thinks he is lying so Wang has guards throw him out, he begins to leave when a servant tells him that Wang used that as a ruse in order to keep any eyes and ears away and wishes to speak with Cao Cao in Private in the study, Cao Cao tells him it would be hard and he would need a good knife to pierce The Dongs Concealed Armour, which one minister failed to prepare and his clan was exterminated; Wang gives him the 9 star dagger, an ancient legendary weapon which could slice through anything,(Probably because it was made from Japanese Iron ) Cao Cao goes to Dong Zhous residence and talks to him and meets with Lu Bu, when Dong Zhou falls asleep after talking with Cao Cao, he goes to him while he's asleep but just as he's about to strike dong Zhou wakes up and Cao Cao stealthily acts like he was going to wake up The Dong and presents the 9 star dPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

100 posts and 19 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

7c1c9e No.26659

>>26657

I think Game of Dongs is on Episode 14.


7c1c9e No.26666

File: 1440267729662-0.gif (Spoiler Image, 5.58 MB, 500x313, 500:313, raughingman.gif)

File: 1440267729662-1.gif (Spoiler Image, 800.12 KB, 300x186, 50:31, raughingmanV2.gif)

File: 1440267729662-2.jpg (Spoiler Image, 904.15 KB, 340x257, 340:257, RaughingmanV3.jpg)

Also requesting some of these be made into Emoticons


5fd285 No.26679

>>26666

Your memes are shit, but I'll respect the quads.

And we start in 20 minutes lads!

http://www.cytu.be/r/history_chan


5fd285 No.26680

http://www.cytu.be/r/history_chan

Starting now, join if you're not a reactionary!


5fd285 No.26685

Bump for Three Kingdoms starting soon!




File: 1439661049332.jpg (24.87 KB, 307x454, 307:454, alexander_athens2.jpg)

11ab8a No.26172[Reply]

What does /his/ think of Alexander the Great and his legacy and accomplishments? How would the world be different today if he never did what he did?

25 posts and 6 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

8a1adc No.26617

How much of Alexander's life and exploits are true, and how much at embellished legend? I've heard it said that he was continuously hyped and mythologized long after his lifetime by Romans, Arabs, and Medieval/Modern Europeans.


399fe6 No.26656

>>26616

>To move East, attempt to conquer, fail and lose control over his empire.

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

You don't know what you're talking about.

>Well to manage an empire you have to manage your subjects efficiently and he did almost nothing to help them, he also treated his soldiers like crap.

Same as above.


4a97a5 No.26668

>>26539

I was just going on hearsay from what a friend had told me. He probably misinterpreted sailing across North Africa for circumnavigating Africa.

But this book is really interesting, and i'll give it a read.


4a97a5 No.26669

>>26582

The difference between the Greeks and the Mongols was that the Greeks were sedentary and the Mongols were not. All the Greek soldiers fighting with Alexander would have came from towns and cities, and would have homes, businesses, farms and families to get back to. The Mongols took everything they owned with them on campaign, so they would have felt much less homesick on campaign.


716b60 No.26677

File: 1440274647152.png (501.81 KB, 878x842, 439:421, 1417749482806.png)

>>26616

>Alexander

>treating his soldiers like crap




File: 1440131087329.jpg (9.56 KB, 222x293, 222:293, 1783_ Agustín de Iturbide,….jpg)

35eb28 No.26571[Reply]

ITURBIDE DID NOTHING WRONG.

2 posts omitted. Click reply to view.

ce5f13 No.26594

>>26572

>>26589

You dont realize how slow this board is. we arent a fast or populous bunch, sort of like an internet version of Luxembourg.

this is especially for 35eb28, as you made your judgement only 14 minutes after making the thread. shame on you


4b6ea3 No.26595

>>26572

I think some of the smaller boards are suffering as a result of the lack of a top 25 or a quick link to smaller boards.

Either way, the amount of effort and evidence that goes into each post here is unmatched compared to other boards. I enjoy taking the time to read shit people post here.


03d5db No.26608

You could at least explain what emperor spic did


694de3 No.26642

>>26608

Thou blind m8? He already said:

Nothing wrong.

: ^)


fc3621 No.26652

Except for the whole independence business. Which was a big mistake IMO




File: 1440223835724.gif (183.82 KB, 278x285, 278:285, dancinghitler.gif)

9eb051 No.26630[Reply]

It's a commonly stated by some that Nazi Germany was a country that stood against usury and the corruption of international banks, and while banks did initially fund them hoping to turn a profit, Germany decided to double-cross them and print their own currency.

I'm not terribly fond of the current state of banks, so I decided to do some research on whether the Nazis truly were the unsung heroes fighting against the corruption of the elite. What I found seemed to contradict the claims of those I mentioned earlier.

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_09.htm

It is here that it is stated that the banks and other American multinationals continued to provide financing well into the war, up until about 1944 where German defeat was inevitable. It is here where I begin to doubt earlier claims of Nazi Germany opposing international elite, when they were clearly in bed with them up until their nigh-defeat.

There's also the more specific claim that the Nazis stood against the Jewish international bankers cabal, which seems odd as you can see here that Waldemar von Oppenheim achieved the status of Honorary Aryan and was able to continue his practices within Nazi Germany. The Oppenheim family being a German-Jewish financial dynasty, a very significant family in banking and finance in Europe since the 18th century. Surely, if Nazi Germany opposed the Jewish international bankers the oppenheim family would be at the top of his list of undesirables.

So considering the possibility I may be wrong or misinterpreted the information, what are your thoughts on this, /his/? Is this informational factual? Is there any context missing? Is there any other information to consider? Regardless of your feelings towards Nazi Germany, I welcome your insight so long as it's reasonable and based in fact.

There's also this, though I haven't read it yet:

reformed-theology.org/html//wall_street/chapter_07.htm

9eb051 No.26631


c36585 No.26633

But didn't Nazis privatized bunch of public services?


c5abf4 No.26639

>>26633

Probably so that the investments could be spent on on the war effort


300980 No.26641

The Nazis are gute Jungs. Haben gar nichts getan.

inb4 /pol/ storms the thread




File: 1431089548092.jpg (113.08 KB, 864x493, 864:493, 1413778192385.jpg)

609f43 No.19539[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

>Egypt was black

>King Tut was black

>Mozart was black

>White is black

220 posts and 63 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

be8c22 No.24808

>>24653

>this

perfection


486a6b No.24848

File: 1438429561831.png (35.58 KB, 340x316, 85:79, yunocchi.png)

>>19540

I doubt it. Afrocentrics and their followers exist in the stupid realms of tumblr and twitter. At best they'll have influence over some "Cultural history" or "African studies" department but I believe it will not influence actual history units.

Then again you might be right considering the West is for some reason (Jews) entering a state of cultural suicide and everybody is smiling as they tighten the noose around their throat.


04534e No.26634

>>20890

And what is wrong with this? You have many americans who are of germanic origin who go on about how THEIR people and THEIR ancestors were Greeks, Romans, and Macedonians and no one ever seems to have a problem with that.


ccd443 No.26635

>>21910

what type of game was it?

Are you a dev or something?


7c7a20 No.26640

>>21910

That reminds me of that one Resident Evil game that received massive criticism from all the fucking games media (which, as we know by know, make a living from outrage culture and Socially Challenged Warriors) because virtually all the zombies in the game were black, causing cries of racism.

Hint: The game was set in fucking Africa




File: 1437577563862.jpg (435.2 KB, 1099x1323, 157:189, 1429970077294.jpg)

484e09 No.24278[Reply]

>people niggers think Jesus was black

>they also think Cleopatra was black

>they think Julius Caesar was also black

>the Moors "taught" the Europeans how to bathe

>this is just as bad if not worse than Nazis white washing history

Can we have a racewashing pants-on-head retarded thread?

27 posts and 4 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

5ddfa2 No.24358

File: 1437640721371.jpg (80.14 KB, 686x560, 49:40, luango.jpg)

>>24323

What about Nri, Luba, and Lunda? Those are far from any direct Arab influences.


f7af85 No.24388

test


50b16c No.24487

While we're talking about how retarded SJW's are on history look what I found whilst randomly browsing the web.

http://science-fare.com/article/european-inequality-traced-back-neolithic-age


481015 No.26626

>>24305

Great Zimbabwe was built by Queen of Sheba who was white, therefore whites built G.Z.

Ife scupltures were made by ancient greeks

Mesoamerican civilizations were built by blue eyed blonde haired aryans


481015 No.26627

>>24301

>All those civilizations were created by Arabs

No, they weren't.




File: 1433369189270.jpg (57.18 KB, 800x544, 25:17, Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-216….jpg)

d3816b No.21095[Reply]

Any good books on the eastern front in WW2 from a German perspective?

7 posts and 1 image reply omitted. Click reply to view.

e709f5 No.26548

>>26519

>unbiased and redpilled

pick one


c9eae3 No.26549

>>26548

Nice try, but the redpill is breaking free from bias and seeing truths for what they are.


263ba2 No.26569

>>26549

If that's the definition we're using instead of the usual one, then you should already know the answer: read them all and make the decision for yourself. You will be redpilled when you stop looking to anonymous internet strangers for guidance. No one can lead you to the truth except you.


73be9e No.26624

File: 1440218157564.png (313.09 KB, 1741x540, 1741:540, redpilled.png)

>>26569

This.

Sage because I don't know many books like this.


73be9e No.26625

>>26624

>forgot to sage

Fuck me I'm stupid.




File: 1440193909182.jpg (86.82 KB, 540x717, 180:239, tumblr_nqgm898Z8I1reg6u1o1….jpg)

0e5360 No.26601[Reply]

I recently began collecting a folder of animals in war, mostly mascots and stuff. I'll post my humble collection, and I'd love to see if anyone else has any good ones, or interesting stories, or really anything related to animals in history. It doesn't need to just be warfare, history related animals in general could be a cool topic.

5 posts and 15 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

0e5360 No.26607

File: 1440194135002.jpg (63.2 KB, 540x350, 54:35, tumblr_nsd3ajrQ0K1rqpszmo1….jpg)

>you came to the wrong neighborhood motherfucker


4d1b5f No.26609

File: 1440197660778.jpg (64.66 KB, 640x494, 320:247, geese.jpg)

>>26607

This reminds me of when geese saved Rome.

>390 BC

>gauls are sacking the city

>romans who've not fled seek refuge on the capitolium hill

>food is running out

>pious romans still don't eat the sacred geese of juno

>gauls attempt a surprise attack climbing the walls at night

>geese quack

>assault is repeled

>based marcus furius camillus comes back from exile and saves the day

Apparently real life non-sacred geese are good guard animals too.


d804f9 No.26610

File: 1440199222185.jpg (26.97 KB, 300x413, 300:413, 300px-Wojtek_the_bear[1].jpg)

Corporal Wojtek - there are a few statues of him in Poland, there's also one in Edinburgh, as he retired to Edinburgh Zoo.


0c5b30 No.26612

>>26610

Wotjek is my spirit animal

>>26601

good thread, OP


8455bd No.26618

>>26609

They can be pretty ferocious and have beaks of what could be considered sharp little teeth. Obviously they're not a real threat to a grown man, but an entire flock of geese descending upon a lightly or non-armored victim is quite scary.




File: 1439694095859.jpg (38.13 KB, 277x271, 277:271, 10_01[1].jpg)

9aa5a1 No.26209[Reply]

How would the West be today if Christianity never made it to Rome?

35 posts and 17 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

e08a01 No.26577

>>26467

I swear asatrufags are even worse then christfags about losing their shit when anyone implies they aren't perfect.

If you're going to be pagan at least be a Hellenic Neoplatonist or Stoic pagan.


000000 No.26581

>>26577

How Can Neoplatonism/Stoicism Be Paganism When The One Is Real?


c96c47 No.26584

>>26209

Muslim.


c4b76c No.26585

>>26388

Well, but isn't that an universal thing? Even the people who are already happy had to work to achieve that condition or having the heritage of those people who did. Unless of course, we are talking about thieves and even those have some effort in doing their jobs

Also, poverty is almost an constant in intelectually rich times like the birth of philosophy in greece which was in the amidst of a crisis, and most of russian modern literature who was written by impoverished like Pushkin, Andreyev, Gogol, Dostoevsky and Tolstoy (who was originally rich, but threw all away)

I'm not a christian, but I find kind of simplistic to see Christ words in a pure economic way.


0d22cf No.26592

File: 1440166197272.jpg (1.06 MB, 614x819, 614:819, giotto.jpg)

>>26585

In my post, I made two different and separate points.

First: Christ's Good News are more appealing (and sometimes directed) to those who suffer. Theoretically that has nothing to do with poverty, but in practice, the poor suffer more than the rich. Sure suffering is universal, but not evenly distributed.

Second: Jesus spoke directly against the hoarding of earthly riches. Not because they make you happy, but because there's a clear choice to make: "you cannot serve both God and money".

And that's why saying:

>I see no reason to believe that it was so much more appealing to the poor than it was to the rich, as the stereotype goes

doesn't make sense to me. This "stereotype" may be true or false, but sure there are reasons to believe it.

>I'm not a christian, but I find kind of simplistic to see Christ words in a pure economic way.

Neither am I, and I never stated the whole Gospel is about money. Poverty was the crux (he he) of the discussion and I quoted some relevant passages.

Nonetheless the focus on a future salvation of Christianity (and Judaism) logically mirrors a focus on present suffering.




File: 1411190655994.png (115.45 KB, 953x574, 953:574, firstpunicwar.png)

e95731 No.129[Reply][Last 50 Posts]

lets get some laughs going

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus


>14 year old roman emperor

>pranks dinner guests with ancient whoopee cushion
>assassinated at 18 years old
242 posts and 64 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

17fef5 No.26506

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


3f8186 No.26529

File: 1440071579276.jpg (360.55 KB, 953x1760, 953:1760, Austria.jpg)


3f8186 No.26530

>>168

Didn't he also attempt to have doctors change his gender?


084813 No.26541

File: 1440090802208.jpg (2.81 MB, 2000x2907, 2000:2907, Le_Petit_Journal_-_Arresta….jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Law_(economist)#Company_of_the_west

This and tulip mania.

18th century wolf of wallstreet shit you.

Here's a good book about stuff like that

>Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Mackay

http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/24518


000000 No.26588




File: 1431003317440.jpg (33.12 KB, 413x325, 413:325, pasteurization[1].jpg)

d955d0 No.19484[Reply]

Most valuable invention from the 19th beginning of 21st Century was pasteurized milk.

Prove me wrong, niggers.

13 posts and 2 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

9ba150 No.26447

File: 1439947879532.jpg (56.17 KB, 1022x547, 1022:547, raughs.jpg)


6ea18d No.26475

Daily reminder that milk is a white privilege and promoting it as necessary to health is just a tool of white supremacist imperialism

:^)


6d1a43 No.26478

>>26445

>he is literally a manchild

How does it feel knowing that due to a freak mutation you retained a neotenous trait comparable to being unable to grow pubes and beard?


de4929 No.26486

>>26478

Butthurt Mongoloid/negroid pls go

Enjoy your weak bones fuckboi


ab3284 No.26580

>malk

>fartterries

>buttareys

>penis butta

>flirtizlieser

>roobers ind plugstics

>not stanleetation

It's like y'all want to be diseased and living,drinking, and breathing in shit all the time.




File: 1431597833872.png (27.69 KB, 1611x729, 179:81, Untitlfffffffffed.png)

3bd156 No.19957[Reply]

His, I had an interesting thought.

I've been watching a lot of time lapses of European history and thought, is there any nation that have moved?

Like pic related, a nation called orange is between 2 nations, they capture land by the yellow nation but the Green nation captures land of the orange nation.

Which means if this goes on long enough, the nation will eventually move?

31 posts and 3 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

7c4c9f No.26159

File: 1439648379135.jpg (5.88 KB, 267x189, 89:63, papaj.jpg)

>>26155

Luther and kebab.


e5c334 No.26163

File: 1439652232935.jpg (10.66 KB, 261x187, 261:187, papal_laugh.jpg)

>>26159

10/10 kek


9bf1d5 No.26171

>>26155

Apex kek


deef30 No.26263


d73e7f No.26573

Do you mean a Government-in-Exile? There's a wikipedia list that I'm too lazy to pull up. Taiwan's also a debatable example, Ming Dynasty took the island from the Dutch in 1662, then political change after political change, and then the Republic of China was ejected from the mainland by the communists. I also seem to remember Portugal's government briefly fleeing to Brazil during the whole business with Napoleon. These are never permanent situations, since people are settled and nationalist sentiments become a factor.

Or do you mean the people/culture moving geographically, not necessarily under the same government? Most examples of this are questionable because these migrations many times come with cultural hybridization and the cultural shifts that inevitably happen over hundreds of years. Are Franks the same as the French, the Visigoths the same as the Castilians/Spanish, Magyars the same as Hungarians? Did Ostrogoths or Lombards have more influence over modern Italian culture? Questions like these start pointless flame wars, especially regarding the Byzantine Empire, because we're talking about lineage here, and lineage is prestige.

Unrelated to the thread, I once knew someone who really prided herself on being part of a Native American people, the Mono. When she underwent one of those genetic tests that are supposed to tell you where your ancestors came from, it turns out that the Iberian peninsula had more influence over her genetics than the North American continent. She was very emotional, denied it and denounced the testers as frauds. She saw it as an insult, but since the Mono homeland was also the northern-most reaches of Spanish colonization of the Americas, it's not impossible that people of Spanish heritage were either forcefully captured or peacefully adopted, and incorporated into the tribe. It's interesting how she defines "part of the tribe" by race/blood, while her Mono ancestors would have only thought of language/customs.




File: 1429645924445.png (335.33 KB, 2534x1540, 181:110, Roman Empire at its height….png)

8d8465 No.18717[Reply]

Happy Rome day!

67 posts and 19 image replies omitted. Click reply to view.

776cbe No.26552

>>25228

Marriage doesn't make Russia roman. If it did, there would have been dozens of "Third Romes"–particularly during the Dark Ages the Byzantines passed out Imperial princesses to barbarians chiefs like they were whores at a cathouse.

Now, it gives the Muscovite House of Rurik some quasi-Roman pizazz, and I won't deny that's fun. But it's not like the Byzantines were culturally all that Roman either, no more so than other hybridized nations that can claim Roman heritage.

>B-but anon they called themselves Romans!

So did the HRE. So did the Turks. So did every fucking two-bit regime under the sun until recently. Unless we're getting on board with all that trans-ethnic bullshit that's been happening with the NAACP, the Byzantines were Greeks that inherited a roman successor-state, not capital-R Rome and certainly not capital-R Romans. No two ways around it. At best, the Byzantine Empire ceased to be Roman in all but name with Justinian, who was the last Latin-speaking emperor–or maybe 610 when Greek replaced Latin as the official language.

And don't get me fucking started on the Ottomans.


8bf62d No.26554

File: 1440110152849.png (633.92 KB, 545x534, 545:534, not this shit again.png)

>>26552

>So did the HRE. So did the Turks.

The difference being, it was the OG Romans themselves who bestowed their name on every citizen of the Empire, aka Romania. Not even close. An empire that, Latins themselves recognized, was Greco-Roman in culture and even language. And that Empire ceased to exist in 1204 and 1453.

It wasn't a Greek empire, and "Byzantine" is a posthumous definition. That empire was Eastern Roman. Calling it Byzantine is convenient, that's it.

>the Byzantines were Greeks

Greeks without Greek institutions, laws, army, identity, ancestry, and not even language at first. Nah.

>that inherited a roman successor-state

A succession so sneaky they didn't even notice it. Wow, it almost looks like an arbitrary demarcation!

Now, Frank shill, you can go home.


776cbe No.26555

>>26554

Say the U.S. conquers Mexico. Replaces Mexican institutions and laws with American ones, grants Mexicans American citizenship, etc.

Then China invades and takes over the heartland, and it's only the U.S.'s Mexican territories that are left. Government flees and moves the capital to Mexico city, and just kind of moves on. Are Los Estados Unidos de America the same as the U.S.A.? The legal successor, no doubt. The inheritor of the American mantle, sure. The preserver of American laws and institutions, of course. But it's not the same America as the one that has historically existed, and to pretend that it is would be silly.

>Not a Greek Empire

>An empire inhabited by ethnic Greeks, who speak Greek, with Greek customs* and ways

>Isn't a Greek Empire

I'll admit it was influenced by the Romans to a strong degree, but I ask you to name one former imperial people that didn't have a strongly Romanized culture. Hell, I live in Louisiana and we've got laws on the books that you can trace back directly to Roman Republican law, thanks to French colonization of the Americas and Roman colonization of Gaul. Am I a Roman? Hell, if I call myself a Roman then I'm a self-identified Roman living in a jurisdiction with Roman laws. How is that different from a Byzantine Greek?


8c2768 No.26559

>>26554

Imperial institutions are not confined to a single culture by their very nature. Roman and later Byzantine institutions in Greece and Asia Minor were Greek in identity by virtue of the culture of the region itself, with Latin Roman culture lingering on as part of a dwindling political class that vanished completely by the early Middle Ages.

Rather than successor, the ERE was a continuation. Or more specifically, the Emperor in Constantinople up to 1204 was the successor of the Eastern Roman Emperors, his administration the continuator of previous Eastern Roman administration, and the territory and its people were successors to various Greek territories and citizens of the old Imperium.


8bf62d No.26561

File: 1440120182888.jpg (476.42 KB, 600x800, 3:4, constantinus.jpg)

>>26555

Your example is completely misleading: you forget that the USA not only conquer Mexico (and the rest of Central America), but adopt much of the superior Mexican culture as their own, Mexican art, literature, religion and philosophy; the American intellectual and political élite speaks Spanish as fluently as English; New York City, Washington and other cities have an important Mexican minorites now. And this situation lasts for centuries, so that we can speak of a true Mexican-American world and culture. Not so clear-cut now, eh?

Moreover, the government doesn't ever flee: sure, Canadian natives from as far as Greenland are pressing on the borders, but in fact the capital is moved to New Washington, in the Spanish-speaking (pleb-wise) half of the Empire, to face the menace of the communist Tawantinsuyu. All is done calmly and with all the proper ceremonies, and the capital could have as well been moved to Los Angeles—like it has in the past. Little changes for everyone but the somewhat pissed old Congress, that had little influence anyway.

Americans from Panama to Augusta know their President and Caesar has only relocated his seat again.

After more than a century, though, the Northern United States of America (the state has been split, if only in its administration, and has two equally American Presidents) is ravaged by the redskin hordes, while the Southern half resists.

Again centuries pass, and while things have naturally changed in what remains of the US (for example, while the North has neglected Spanish, once so common, this is now the official language in the South), it is because of politics and propaganda that the bastard offspring (sadly born by rape) of a part of the old Empire claims that the true heirs of American greatness are but Mexicans—a scornful name that reduces the SUSA to only one of the many people that make it up—while a powerful chieftain in the North declares himself "President of the Holy United States".

After even this old relic of a state has fallen, a historian from the, uhm, Holy United States, decides to call them yet another name, "Managuans", after the site where New Washington was built. "Managuan Empire" has stuck, but helPost too long. Click here to view the full text.




Delete Post [ ]
[]
[1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19] [20] [21] [22]
| Catalog
[ home / board list / faq / random / create / bans / search / manage / irc ] [ ]