/his/ - History

>>24858

>>24860

>>24861

If by "Antifascist scum" he refers to the Antifa, then he is undeniably correct. They are utter scum. If you can't see that (oh but they have such noble goals!) then you're an idiot.

>>24865

his statements that the "west [is] filled with anti-fascist scum" and the people who live in the East are "pseudo-fascists" imply that the majority of the people living there are part of extremist groups, which they are not. Not once did I say that I was a leftist, not once did I refer to the Antifa or to any neo-nazi group. You are assuming that he was referring to the Antifa when, assuming by his choice of words, he wasn't, instead generalising the German people incorrectly.

>>24874

>his statements … imply that the majority of the people living there are part of extremist groups

No they don't. They imply that those kinds of people are relatively numerous, not that they are the majority.

And your

>>antifascist scum

>those edges

was pure (and possibly /leftypol/ian) shitposting.

Now everyone quit the political faggotry and discuss history.

>>24891

>No they don't. They imply that those kinds of people are relatively numerous, not that they are the majority.

But the fact is, they aren't even relatively numerous, they're an extreme minority and it pisses me off this generalisation.

>was pure (and possibly /leftypol/ian) shitposting.

to be honest, I thought he meant the "antifascist scum" were West-German democrats, that's why I called him edgy, the only board I frequent on 8chan is /his/

>>24858

>implying antifascism isn't just the other side of authoritarianism

I don't know how these people think the Nazi's are the big bad evil when they essentially have the same totalitarian goal just with a different flavor

The Darien Scheme would make for a good dark comedy. The Coens could pull it off.

>>24729

>thread about vidya

>"let's get movie producers to do it!"

Modern vidyagaems, ladies and gentlemen.

In addition to the obvious Rhodie game, I'd like some games set in post-1911 China. They could be FPSs/strategy for the Warlords/GMD/Commies or GTA style shit for places like Shanghai. A Yangtze Patrol game would be cool too, although I have no idea what kind of game it would be.

Maybe a tycoon style game too, where you play as one of the big foreign/GMD businessmen like Sassoon, and have to build your empire while putting up with things like a ridiculously unstable countryside and political intrigue.

>>11874

You forgot

>every single Italian campaign

They were disasters, but it doesn't mean that you shouldn't include them, especially when they fought in Greece, Egypt, Libya, Russia and Italy.

>>22766

Did organized Judaism not exist before this? They had been banking since the middle ages as a distinct class separate from Christians.

>ITT jews arguing who is more jewish

>>24664

Christ that guy is a fucking Beta…

Motherfucker should have just got some balls and argued his point and not getting shouted over. But noooo baby cries if someone says the holocaust is a joke.

>>24817

>Motherfucker should have just got some balls and argued his point and not getting shouted over.

>Attempting to argue a point to holocaust deniers

This seems incredibly autistic to me

>>24817

Those are the same group of people who believe blacks* built every civilization from the Mesopotamian civilization to the shang dynasty and everything in between but only recently did whites and Asians eliminate all of the peaceful intelligent blacks* and rewrite all of history.

Though the blacks* that did stick around all were coincidentally European nobles/kings like Charlemagne and important religious figures like Siddhartha Gautama.

*By blacks they always mean the "Moors" who all look like your typical west African.

A drink, lads?

>>24786

most likely because caliphate could withstand a coordinated attack by romans and indians

and this assumes romans and indians could coordinate

Was Constantine XI an orthodox or a catholic?

According to wikipedia, it is disputed. (Few weeks earlier, he was reported as an eastern catholic)

>mfw this thread is nearly a year old

Really the only difference in such a scenario is how you hunt.

I wouldn't try hunting with a bow to begin with, because they require a lot of skill to hit accurately over long distances.

Other Viking methods would have been with javelins and hunting spears, but both require experience, speed and strength, as well as involving a healthy amount of danger (if you stick a moose or whatever in the wrong spot and don't kill it, you'll get gored to death or at least extreme wounding) which is inadvisable if you're going to be out on your own, far from civilization.

A crossbow is the easiest "antiquated" hunting weapon to use.

You could also try making a sling, those were used all over the world and are very practical, they do take some practice though.

>>24621

Which would you recommend? My only experience with the weapons you mentioned are with a bow, but I have quite a lot of time to practice before I possibly attempt this.

>>24495

You should do as your own peoples do. The Vikings did as their own people did.

Take a rifle and stuff.

>>24701

If you have a bow already, keep training with that. Ideally you'd learn fletching so as to keep yourself in constant supply, instead of relying on a finite supply of modern arrows.

It's a really complicated business to make proper arrows from scratch though.

Slings are the way to go most of the time, easy to make, ammo is plentiful (most of the time) and easy to kill with (you can take out a horse with one if you hit it right).

>>24702

It's been done before, and I am also not a fan of Indian American stuff and my ancestors weren't here until after that.

I think it'll be more interesting if I do it a different way.

>>24725

Well, my experience is more with compound bows, which they didn't really have. I'm thinking about making an ash bow like they would have, or just having it made. I'd prefer to make it myself, you know. The fletching I'd like to learn as well, and will. I will be making my own arrows as I have a lot of time to prepare for things, and it probably helps that I can work metal and forge my own arrowheads. Wont be taking my forge and stuff like that with me with me though.

Slings seem to be very difficult, but maybe I'm thinking it because I've never tried it. I'll look into it and see about attempting it.

>>24585

>So you mean something more like tribalism

I wouldn't call it that

>Those are all things which require many thousands of people to operate properly, and have a huge supply line, requiring more people, behind them.

That's changing, everyday the amount of people required to do "important work" as in things that keep us alive, taking care of the water supply is important, bureaucracy is not becomes less and less, also what i said was a more personal answer, there could be all kinds of communities with "membership" going from a dozen to millions, we have the communication tools to be able to do that.

>But now we have mechanisms to punish most of the liars.

Who punishes them? other people? other probable cheaters and liars?

>Consider trademarks and patents

I for one extremely dislike intellectual property.

>you have no reason to invent and innovate

Except for the actual benefit that invention may bring, motivation wont be making money out of it, but the benefit itself the invention will give you, patents and trademarks make invention stagnate more than anything else.

>since every person can steal your idea and make money out of it instead of you

>make money

I'm an anarchist not a libertarian

>With no government to police people, theft would be all over the place.

You can always defend yourself and your property, if your community is full of thieves then you should probably move somewhere else.

>Nobody will punish me, especially if I am more popular with the locals than you are

That could be the case, not gonna deny that.

Thing is

>I understand that you don't trust people, but if you don't trust them with the same freedom and power as you, how can you trusting them running the state apparatus? hPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>24634

>You can choose which state you want to belong to

I don't want to decide who my master is, i want to be free, that's something very difficult to do.

>The state doesnt own you

Of course it does, it taxes me, it forces me to live the way they want me to live, they can force to do anything they want me to do, since the are powerful and i on my own am weak.

>its a club which you subscribe to and pay your subscription fee

But i didn't subscribe, it was forced down onto me, i didn't ask to get in and i can get out without leaving everything behind.

>I find it easier to trust some politician 500km away from me who has 50 cameras up his arse all trying to catch him riding dirty to keep away from my life

If that's really the case then so be it, i find it completely ridiculous though.

>What do I do at that point? The only way to ensure my safety is to get a bigger gang going, and then it becomes an arms race, and either the tribe divides into two, meaning we both lose, or a fight happens, and again both sides suffer losses.

That's no different with states, states do that between them all the time, now when states do it it's a war and we all know how that is, i mean if what said were to happen then so be it, some people are dicks, good thing those dicks are just a small gang in a pub and not running a country or something

>An arbitrated big society seems more stable than a chaotic smaller society, and more prone to stick together and survive rough patches.

Then live with a big society if you want, no one's stopping you

>rough patches.

very often man made.

>There are so many, too many, benefits that one cant enjoy unless in a group of a large enough size

Then join one, your choice

>you will see its not so much anarchy, as it is oligarchy, either ruled by those with power or by those with a siPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

>>24634

>Everyday the amount of people required to do "important work"…. becomes less and less

Take a dentist as an example. How many people does it take to produce electricity, quality instruments, academy to educate professionals, props to practice on while studying, chemicals and drugs and mechanical implements for fixing the teeth?

A dentist cannot exist in a community smaller than several thousand people, unless you imagine some 60 year old guy who pulls teeth out and gives you teas to gargle to fight infection.

>I dislike intellectual property.

I hate to be that guy, but you are wrong. If you cant comprehend the value of intellectual property you have big issues to iron out. Consider the brand example I gave, and how you can never be sure where this thing you are buying/trading for is coming from, since there are no trademarks to inform you that this is the producer and he guarantees the quality.

>defending mob rule as a form of government in an argument for anarchism

Same as above, I just cant take you seriously when you contradict yourself so much. All the "your choice" parts of your post, when you are aware that you will be forced into choosing this or that by the mob, since without a state to enforce rules the one enforcing them will be the group with the biggest stick. It would still be state rule, the state will just not wear uniforms.

>>24714

>A dentist cannot exist in a community smaller than several thousand people

Then join one, again, i'm not a tribalist or anything, if you find better to be in a big community then live in one, your choice.

>I dislike intellectual property.

>I hate to be that guy, but you are wrong

Does that mean i like intellectual property? on a serious note, intellectual property has more cons than pros and it's far from being the only way you can tell the quality of something.

>defending mob rule as a form of government in an argument for anarchism

What do you mean? i said that?

>Same as above, I just cant take you seriously when you contradict yourself so much

How am i contradicting myself?

>All the "your choice" parts of your post, when you are aware that you will be forced into choosing this or that by the mob

You dont understand that once there's a mob dictating how you should behave it stops being anarchism and it becomes statism, again it seems you don't know what it means.

>since without a state to enforce rules the one enforcing them will be the group with the biggest stick

Just like fucking states do, I mean, all what you're saying are arguments against statism, you're telling me how state rule forces things down on you because they have the biggest stick.

>It would still be state rule

Exactly

>the state will just not wear uniforms.

Then it's a tad better anyway, not i'm defending that in any way.

If you want to discuss anarchist history, fine. If you wanna be a fag and argue politocs, go to another board. That goes for both of you.

>>24677

>There were Illyrians off course

Sounds like shitty seafarers if they're off course

>>24685

top lel

The joke was not expected.

Now that I think About it, it would make cents if we assumed the Sea people's were from the Adriatic Area, Perhaps even the southern coast of Gaul or Spain. You could take a fucking crazy guess and say they Might have been from Brittany, as that area was a bit more sophisticated then the rest of the Area due to it having Tin to trade, tat and the fact the Gauls in Brittany were pretty good sea fares

>>24669

>implying Vikings had Horned Helmets

Jesus fuck, the Christian school I went to wasn't as bad as where you went to.

>>24694

>the Christian school I went to wasn't as bad as where you went to

It's not a matter of school, anon, that's not where you learn irony. You're just retarded.

And that's why math people should stay the fuck away from history.

>>24654

>Supreme power in the USA rests with the Supreme Court

Wrong. The SC neither has the power to pass legislation nor the power to enforce its own decisions. those fall upon the two houses of Congress and the President respectively. the SC's power is more like a litmus test for the US Constitution; if something doesnt belong there (most of the time) it will be removed from law.

In any case, the SC is appointed by the President, who needs approval from Congress on his choice of judges if memory serves. so no, a branch of government that cannot control its own employment nor enforce its own decisions is not the supreme power.

Had the sicilian expedition succeeded and a white peace agreed to between the leagues, would that have curtailed Carthaginian trade supremacy in the Western Mediterranean?

I don't think so, the Peloponesian War was an unmitigated trade disaster for Athens

Even if the Athenian coalition in Sicily won out Athens proper wouldn't have been able to keep the trade lanes open

For Athens the cost of Syracuse win or lose was too great. Too much blood and treasure spent for a devastated Sicily.

Sparta had no interest in far flung trade, had no concept of sophisticated trade networks, and were generally unbearable faggots who couldn't see the bigger picture

Trade was the greatest casualty here. Prior to this trade was great and the system of power worked for everyone. Persian goods were where it was at, Persia maintained its Mediterranean fleets and where she couldn't be Athens was.

Even when the two naval powers were at odds, powerful maritime states like Rhodes served as buffers for the trade of eastern goods

In the western Mediterranean where the Greeks were more isolated, maritime states like Massalia and Syracuse advanced Greek interests(primarily trade, again allowing the Persian goods to flow) where the great powers were absent

Carthage even benefited from this arrangement. They failed to overcome Syracuse(also, by extension Greek trade supremacy) time and time again despite being much stronger in the area

It took a cataclysmic war to pave the way for second-rate shits like Carthage to create their trade hegemony in the west despite having superior manpower, superior ship construction techniques, and even agricultural production.

hubris will get you every time. Thanks Athens. As great as you were, you ruined the possibility of a classical Greek-centric Mediterranean world

>>18766

this

just take a look at the remains of the great spartan settlements,colonies, temples and wondrous works of culture :^)

>>24696

Both Athens and Sparta were little villages with nothing of notice in them until recently, when after failing to retake Istanbul the new Greek state decided Athens will be the new capital, and rebuilt it to make it a big city.

>>24713

>triggered

the Mycenaeans existed in Greece between 2000 and 1000 BC and brought us much of what we know of Greece today; pottery and buildings with stone columns to name a couple. They earned their money as mercenaries and most young-men were shipped to somewhere in the Middle East to fight. This meant women and the old were independent, as they also had slaves working the fields so they did not have to do much work. The society was actually quite a good one.

However, a lack of an army was incredibly bad for them as the Dorians invaded. The Dorians were a tribe of warrior nomads that lived to the north of Greece. They decided that Greece, under the Mycenaeans wad easy pickings to them, so they did invade. They took over much of Greece and people fled to Athens (I don't know what it was called then) for its seclusion and mountainous terrain. The Dorians knew they could not take Athens, so they settled and made a small village into a training camp for warriors; this village was called Sparta.

So you can see the ancestral divide and rivalry between the Greek powers; the Athenians who had descended from the cultural Mycenaeans, and the Spartans who were literally bred to be warriors.

tl;dr fuck off, they weren't "little villages…until recently"

>>24593

Even with its stagnation, India's still accounted for a quarter of world GDP in 1700. To fall to single digits within a century, and that century coinciding with British control, is hard to ignore. This is not an argument saying the British caused India's stagnation, but that British economic policy restricted potential growth. Consider again Egypt, whose GDP basically doubled between 1820 and 1913. And then between 1913 and 1950, a period under British governance, the nation's GDP was at a standstill. If we compare with French Syria, whose GDP nearly doubled in the same period under French oversight, we really should question if this was just the way things were. This is not a critique of all colonialism, just an observation of a noticeable trend among a few British ones. Regarding Hong Kong, it only remained under strategic and not economic control under the British due to the aftermath of Japan's WW2 campaigns. This caused a lot of Shanghai's industry to relocate to the island in a time where the British had no ability or will to maintain their old policy, and subsequently the city became a major industrial center.

Iraq's GDP did not benefit from the 1920s TPC survey because, until the mid 1950s, the British did not negotiate a favorable deal comparable to the American-Saudi enterprise (which blasted that country's GDP through the roof in a decade). By then of course the Hashemites were overthrown, and we saw what an Iraq with control over its own oil reserves could do.

Mexico's GDP shrunk, certainly, but there was much else going on with Iberian colonies that would give anyone a headache. That and the Americans did take away half the country in the Mexican-American war in that period.

I don't disagree with a focus on annual GDP change, but we're not necessarily dealing with a single country case study but several countries across two continents. And all of them had one thing in common.

British policy being neither a net loss or a net gain is the ultimate point here: under British economic control economic growth stagnated (as far as GDP is concerned).

>>24607

>>British policy being neither a net loss or a net gain is the ultimate point here:

Okay bro. I think this is our point of agreement here. I still have a few contentions about Hong Kong and Singapore's growth, and I remain unconvinced by some of your other arguments, but they would just lead to a whole different digression.

Also, thanks for the link. It's really quite interesting.

So let me shake your fapping hand for giving me one of the most eloquent debates on a chan.

Anyone else wanna join this thread?

>>24612

What you're saying is interesting but completely out of my league.

British colonialism was definitely exploitative, but "India" with its current borders definitely wouldn't exist today without it.

Nice, I'll definitely have a look

What is your daily potato intake?

All I really remember about that series was that it had a rocking opening theme song that the teachers always skipped and that some, if not most, of the live action bits were horribly over acted.

>>24590

pretty much. Norman comes from whatever the french was at the time for "northern men" and the area has a history of viking settlement. theres a cool story about them threatening Paris if you look for it

>>24597

Siege of Paris in 845 AD. Story goes that Paris was threatened by vikings through the Somme so the king just paid them off, hoping that theyd never come back. That of course had the opposite effect to eventually the crown gave what we now know as Normandy to some nord to act as a deterrent/pacifier to other raiders. More or less feel free to correct me though

>>24590

>Tell me about the Normans, why do they wear the mask?

>>24601

That's pretty much right.

The same people would later go on to liberate southern Italy from the Arabs, forming the Kingdom of Sicily.

>>24627

the normans only took sicily from the arabs, southern italy was under the control of byzantines and italian duchies

>>24554

People back in the day didn't draw anatomy any better than they do now. They just used a fancier medium so it looks nicer.

>>24524

>and would have made a great granddad when he was older

Oh god imagine those stories

>"and this is the story how I let your uncle die in a german pow camp, now to the one where I send all these people to siberia, you're going to love this one"

>>24561

>umirin.jpg

What the fuck are you babbling about?

This is better suited for a political or economics board. Unless you want to make this a thread about 19th century economic history that is.