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==/HIS/ META THREAD==

RULES AND GUIDELINES
1. Obey global rules
2. Keep things related to history and its study
3. If lewd images must be posted, do so on spoilers. Consider if it wouldn't be better posted elsewhere.
3-a. If you're in doubt whether it's lewd enough to spoiler, err on the side of caution and do it.

GUIDELINES- not quite rules, but good to follow for good posting
1. Check the catalog before posting to see if a thread may already be available for your discussion.
1a. Avoid making threads expecting people to just do your homework for you. Show some work yourself in starting the discussion instead of just "guys what was the main reason for the fall of Sebastianism in the 19th century"
2. Be prepared to present good sources for anything you claim, especially if you come here to posit opinions you know are controversial.
3. Upon discussion, no consensus was reached as to what should be considered the limit of "history". I'd advise avoiding discussing things beyond the fall of the Soviet Union- seems to me a good cutoff- but provided you don't attempt to make it a /pol/ thread in disguise, you should be able to get away with threads about events until some 10 years before the present year.
4. If you have any problem with the moderation here, or suggestions, please post them here instead of making a thread for it (not really historical-related) or making one in /meta/ (no guarantee I'll see it).

In other words, don't be a dumbass. This board's been generally working fine along on self-moderation, lurk around and have fun.

(want to post banners, do so here too)
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""We want to eventually have a resources sticky with links and suggestions of good books, podcasts, etc""

And yet here we are in the year 2015 without such a thing. Let's change this, /his/torians: post up your resources and books you've found invaluable in your quest for knowledge.

And don't be a dick about it: don't just link something random. Try and give a very brief review of it, indicate why it's good and who its target audience would be. Introductory stuff is always going to be welcome, but sometimes it can be hard to find where to go next, so help your brothers out.
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We've got customizable flags
Post here what flags you want me to upload.
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Historical Music

I need some good, historical-themed music, like related preferably. Marching songs or stuff like Katyusha also acceptable.
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Hasdrubal's Palace found in southern Spain

http://www.abc.es/cultura/arte/20150607/abci-palacio-asdrubal-cartagena-hallazgo-201506062037.html

I can't find english sources for it. It seems some archeologists have been digging up for 15 years in Cartagena trying to unearth the palace of Hasdrubal, and a gargantuan structure has been found drilled inside one of the mountains of the city. It has a triangular perimeter and it's 250 meters long in its longest side, the chief archeologist claims it's the biggest building of its time in western Europe.

It looks like carthaginians were serious about that thing of building an Empire.

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Alternate History thread

Alternate history thread, last one 404ed.
So feel free to say what you think would happen in these scenarios:
>there is a strait at Sinai, making it possible to move ships from the Mediterranean to the red sea, about as big as the straits of Gibraltar.
>What if the South won the American civil war (I know this has been said alot) Would they still have slaves for much longer or what
>The Spanish Armada survives and manages to attack England, though this does not guarantee victory
>What if France won the Hundred years war?
>What if Beringia still existed (the landmass Injuns traveled from Asia to the Americas)
>what if an Ice Age or rapid climate change happened during ancient civilizations (you can pick any civilization really)
That is all my Ideas for now and feel free to ask questions of your own.
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History of prisons and incarceration as a form of punishment, and pseudo philosophical discussion of the current state of prisons and alternatives.

Keep it more /his/ and less /pol/, more fact and examples for precedence and less insults.

So prisons have existed for at least 4000 years, but until 200 years ago they were only a temporary thing. You only kept people in prisons until you decide what their punishment would be - slavery, pain, fine, banishment, death, trial in front of the gods, etc. The prison itself wasnt the punishment, since its stupidly expensive to keep a person in a room and feed him while he does nothing to earn his keep.

Romans were the first to play with the idea of prison as the actual punishment, and they imprisoned people in steel cages (so they are useful as example and demonstration to would be criminals), mines and quarries (so they are useful as workers). Prisoners would also be allowed a trial in front of the gods, or to fight in the arena and prove that they are innocent by overcoming the long odds.

Later in the middle ages prisons made a comeback, as the value of certain people increased. If you captured a noble during war, you probably want him kept alive, so you dont torture or send him to work in the mines. Instead you either have him as your guest (rarely and only if very highly ranked) or put him in a dungeon. Dungeons werent exactly modern prisoners and the mortality rates seem to be high, but it was the closest thing to it - you paid the guy's rent and meals, and the occasional janitor, while he did nothing but sleep there. Of course it would be worth it in the end, when you sell him to his loved ones.

Later another ancient type of punishment made a resurgence - the banishment. In the early eras of civilization, when you had a bunch of independent cities and tightly knit communities, being banished from your city was seen as a very harsh punishment. Its pretty effective, as in you get rid of this unwanted individual, so that he no longer does any wrong, and you do so without having to pay his rent, or executioner, and indeed you confiscate his belongings. With colonies requiring more men, criminals started getting banished to live abroad was a popular thing to do. Australia for the british and Louisiana for the french were popular destinations. The transport fee was somewhat worth it, since the person would later start producing and paying tax as he makes his new life, and if he ends up becoming a criminal again, thats fine - he is no longer your problem, not doing harm to you directly, and the people there will just torture or execute him for the repeated offense.

In modern times, the guy who "invented" the idea of prisoners being incarcerated as part of their punishment and not simply as a holding state until trial or hanging was Jeremy Bentham in London. The system really came into its own in Pennsylvania later, and now the USA is the main country you think of when you hear "prison". At that time the idea of rehabilitating the prisoner wasnt thought of, and it was just assumed that its more christian and humane to keep people in cages for some amount of time depending on their crime, rather than inflict bodily injury, confiscate money or execute them.

Today it costs around $47000 per year to incarcerate a person in the USA, average value. This is nearly twice the average wage for the country, so a prisoner costs the state as much as a typical family makes.

I think it would be fair if I assume that jails fail to rehabilitate people and release them as clean, ready for society reborn people who wouldnt turn to crime again, although I wont argue if thats because of the jail structure, the nature of men or the bias of society towards those with criminal history.

So what do you guys think? History of legal punishment and proposals, in historical context. Local stories and facts from your country welcome, so we can all hear different views of the problem.

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>yfw Ancient Greeks had robots

https://instagram.com/p/4Gus_UMNPN/?taken-by=palaeolexicon

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Hey /his/torians, why don't we share the origin myths of our people?

You know, legendary ancestors, ties with a glorious past, bullshit to make us look better (I'm looking at you, Virgil), that kind of stuff.

I'll begin with this, that might actually be half-historical; greentexted for added dankness:

>central italy

>probably around the middle of the first millennium BC

>war breaks out between two mostly pastoral tribes, umbri and sabines

>sabines win

>the gods are angry though, all sorts of calamities happen

>priests consult an oracle on a floating island

>"people die, what do?"

>"sacrifice all males born next spring to mamers"

>mamers = mars

>"m-male cattle right?"

>"I said all males :^)"

>JUST.bas-relief

>"ok just consecrate them to god and send them away from home"

>"t-thy will be done"

>babies grow up

>have to leave forever

>decide to follow a holy ox in foreign lands until it stops to rest

>ox travels for hundreds of miles

>finally settle on a hill called samnium

>kill everyone else

>carve a state

And thus Samnites were born.

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Historical Clerihews

"A clerihew is a whimsical, four-line biographical poem invented by Edmund Clerihew Bentley. The first line is the name of the poem's subject, usually a famous person put in an absurd light. The rhyme scheme is AABB, and the rhymes are often forced."

I challenge /his/ to come up with some funky fresh poems about their favorite figures from history in the form of the "British haiku", the Clerihew. For example;

'Chancellor Adolf Hitler

His 'tache could not be littler'

Was the thought that kept occuring

to Hermann Göring

(Picture unrelated)

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Is there an animation showing the European/muslim borders throughout ages?

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STEMfag here. Anyone know the Origins of science from before the scientific revolution?

I hear the scientific revolution was first invented by the Muslims but that's about as much as I know.

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(Very) Modern Swedish History

Hey /his/

Scandinavia did not get much recognition post-WWII. How did Sweden get into the mess they made? Please don't answer like how a /pol/lack would respond.

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Chinese History - 秦漢三國 Edition

With ~3000 years of recorded history (the grander-sounding ~5000 years in colloquial Chinese discussion includes the traditional pre-history and creation myths), Chinese history is just too large to seriously discuss as a whole, so let's talk about a particular portion of it: the fascinating time of the Qin-Han-Sanguo that marked the first Imperial age.

After centuries of warring states, Qin 秦 conquered the known civilized world, inaugurating the Imperial Era, only to collapse in its second generation. From its ashes Han 漢 built a 400 year Empire that taught the civilized world it belonged together as one, leading to a disastrous shock when the known world was divided into Three Empires 三國 for nearly 100 years. A remarkable era that would set the standard for traditional historic thought in China for the next 1700 years.
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The Fall of Saigon

>America literally did nothing to stop millions of people dying at the hands of North Vietnamese forces

America likes to think they're the world police, but what the fuck have you dumbasses ever protected?
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Religion and the Civil War

Hey there guys I had a question perhaps you guys might be able to help me with.

I notice there were quite a lot of extremely religious men in the Civil War, particularly on the Confederacy. A very famous example would be General Stonewall Jackson.

Now what I want to know is, how can such religious people justify owning slaves/endorsing slavery and partaking in it? Doesn't that sort of go against the overall message of peace Jesus spoke of? How could so many of them claim god was on their side when they fought so hard to keep this practice going? Isn't it a contradiction?

I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys, hear your thoughts.

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Hey /his/
Why didn't Americans or Aborigines advance as far as Asians or Europeans?
Pic extremely unrelated
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/his/ Movie Night: Official Thread

We used the old thread but it got unorganized and screwy and someone suggested a new thread be made

And before you fucks complain about deleting another thread I'll remind you it was going to die anyways so another thread on here does nothing

Now down to business, I'm not the Organizing guy usually but I'm doing this shit anyways. The Main event we watch at 6:00 PM EST is a Part of the 1987 miniseries Captain James Cook which lasts around an hour and thirty minutes, and after that we have the Faggot posting shitposting videos but if people can wade through that shit we have the Post Movie show: 2010 War of the Three Kingdoms.

We are currently on episode 1 of the CJC miniseries and episode 4 of WOTTK, many people could not catch it all, but both of which are on youtube so if there are episodes you missed you can watch and if your too much of a faggot to do this you can read this summary:

I only have the summary for the War of the three kingdoms because I missed much of the CJC miniseries but here it goes

Episode 1 Dong Zhou is in control and using the 9 year old emperor as a tool and wields the power of emperor even though he is the Chancellor, the protagonist of this series Cao Cao is seen being a lackey of Dong Zhou and shows up uninvited to Minister Wang's 60th Birthday Party, though people thinking he is there to eavesdrop for the Dong, he says out loud that he has grown close to the villain so he can kill him, everyone thinks he is lying so Wang has guards throw him out, he begins to leave when a servant tells him that Wang used that as a ruse in order to keep any eyes and ears away and wishes to speak with Cao Cao in Private in the study, Cao Cao tells him it would be hard and he would need a good knife to pierce The Dongs Concealed Armour, which one minister failed to prepare and his clan was exterminated; Wang gives him the 9 star dagger, an ancient legendary weapon which could slice through anything,(Probably because it was made from Japanese Iron ) Cao Cao goes to Dong Zhous residence and talks to him and meets with Lu Bu, when Dong Zhou falls asleep after talking with Cao Cao, he goes to him while he's asleep but just as he's about to strike dong Zhou wakes up and Cao Cao stealthily acts like he was going to wake up The Dong and presents the 9 star dagger as a gift and shows it's Superior Nipponese cutting ability, the dong accepts but then leaves in a hurry Dong Zhou realizes how suspicious all this was and orders Lu Bu to arrest him, Cao Cao manages to elude them and escapes into the Wilderness only to be caught by Chengpu, a country Majistrate I'll make a summary on episode 2 and 3 and 4 later.

http://www.cytu.be/r/history_chan

http://www.cytu.be/r/history_chan

http://www.cytu.be/r/history_chan

Remember to join on 6:00 EST (someone convert that shit into time for the rest of the world)

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What does /his/ think of Alexander the Great and his legacy and accomplishments? How would the world be different today if he never did what he did?

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ITURBIDE DID NOTHING WRONG.

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Nazi Germany and the Banks

It's a commonly stated by some that Nazi Germany was a country that stood against usury and the corruption of international banks, and while banks did initially fund them hoping to turn a profit, Germany decided to double-cross them and print their own currency.

I'm not terribly fond of the current state of banks, so I decided to do some research on whether the Nazis truly were the unsung heroes fighting against the corruption of the elite. What I found seemed to contradict the claims of those I mentioned earlier.

http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_09.htm

It is here that it is stated that the banks and other American multinationals continued to provide financing well into the war, up until about 1944 where German defeat was inevitable. It is here where I begin to doubt earlier claims of Nazi Germany opposing international elite, when they were clearly in bed with them up until their nigh-defeat.

There's also the more specific claim that the Nazis stood against the Jewish international bankers cabal, which seems odd as you can see here that Waldemar von Oppenheim achieved the status of Honorary Aryan and was able to continue his practices within Nazi Germany. The Oppenheim family being a German-Jewish financial dynasty, a very significant family in banking and finance in Europe since the 18th century. Surely, if Nazi Germany opposed the Jewish international bankers the oppenheim family would be at the top of his list of undesirables.

So considering the possibility I may be wrong or misinterpreted the information, what are your thoughts on this, /his/? Is this informational factual? Is there any context missing? Is there any other information to consider? Regardless of your feelings towards Nazi Germany, I welcome your insight so long as it's reasonable and based in fact.

There's also this, though I haven't read it yet:

reformed-theology.org/html//wall_street/chapter_07.htm

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>ITT best Afrocentrist keks and lels

>Egypt was black

>King Tut was black

>Mozart was black

>White is black

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>people niggers think Jesus was black

>they also think Cleopatra was black

>they think Julius Caesar was also black

>the Moors "taught" the Europeans how to bathe

>this is just as bad if not worse than Nazis white washing history

Can we have a racewashing pants-on-head retarded thread?

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Any good books on the eastern front in WW2 from a German perspective?

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I recently began collecting a folder of animals in war, mostly mascots and stuff. I'll post my humble collection, and I'd love to see if anyone else has any good ones, or interesting stories, or really anything related to animals in history. It doesn't need to just be warfare, history related animals in general could be a cool topic.

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How would the West be today if Christianity never made it to Rome?

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historical humor thread

lets get some laughs going

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elagabalus


>14 year old roman emperor

>pranks dinner guests with ancient whoopee cushion
>assassinated at 18 years old
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Most valuable invention from the 19th beginning of 21st Century was pasteurized milk.

Prove me wrong, niggers.

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Any Nation that have moved?

His, I had an interesting thought.

I've been watching a lot of time lapses of European history and thought, is there any nation that have moved?

Like pic related, a nation called orange is between 2 nations, they capture land by the yellow nation but the Green nation captures land of the orange nation.

Which means if this goes on long enough, the nation will eventually move?

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Happy Rome day!

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The 8ch cup

So the first 8chan cup just finished, and right now they're already discussing the next one.

/his/ has been suggested as a team, so you guys if you're interested the team needs 23 players, logo, goalhorn, anthem, and kits (as in, uniforms)

You'd also need a manager to handle tactics and subs and the like.

Picture unrelated.

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History's Most Successful Colony?

Title says it all. What do YOU think was the most "successful" colony in history ('successful' being left deliberately subjective). Also general colonial history discussion.

>inb4 the Thirteen Colonies.

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>'byzantine' 'empire'

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Pretty unlearned in WWI history; why is it that Germany is sympathized with so much?

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If one county's king and the other country's queen marry each other, does those 2 countries becomes one country?

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Who's your favorite minor historical figure?

>In May, Boris presented a document outlining reforms and was subsequently expelled from Andorra, having got into trouble. He then went into 'exile' in Seo d'Urgel, taking up residence in the Hotel Mundial. He had various telephone interviews with representatives of the Daily Herald and The Times, and prepared a new offensive. He also made contact with the legitimists in the south of France, his plans promoting Jean Orleans, duc de Guise, the heir to the French throne.

>On 6 July he proclaimed himself king of Andorra, under the name of Boris I of Andorra. He declared himself 'regent for His Majesty the King of France', Jean d'Orléans, duc de Guise (heir presumptive to the throne of France), who, he declared, was the true inheritor of the titles of count of Foix and count of Berne, they being the sometime co-princes of Andorra. (Technically this may be legally correct - but it could also be argued that as both the bishop of Urgel and the Conseil Général des Vallées acquiesced in the assumption of the role by the French president for many years, the existing situation had a certain legality.)

>According to one version, on 8 July the Conseil Général des Vallées ratified this, with a single dissenting voice (out of twenty-four), the monarchy being proclaimed the next day, and a second vote passed 23-1 in favour on 10 July.

>The program that he promoted included the creation of a liberal regime in the Chamber, the modernisation of the country, attracting foreign investment - including by declaring it a tax haven - and the establishment of casinos, as in Monaco. A new flag was devised. Skossyreff proclaimed liberty of politics, belief and opinion. He wished to protect those in need, and promote education and sport.

>The French government, as the co-prince of Andorra, accepted the decision of the Conseil Général of Andorra, but the sole conseiller who had opposed the vote went to Spain, to inform the bishop of Urgel, being the other co-prince of the situation. (The bishop disapproved of casinos, considering them as links to hell.)

>The Andorran population were not opposed to the establishment of a monarchy.

>On 14 July, Boris I was deposed by order of the bishop of Urgel and the French president, Albert Lebrun.

>On 17 July he issued his first 'Court Circular', stating that he had taken the country in the name of the king of France, and that he had five hundred volunteers in Spain and France, none of them being mercenaries.

>On 20 July, Boris was arrested by the Guarda civil (Spanish police) and taken to Barcelona, and on 23 July to Madrid.

>In 1939 he was in a French internment camp in Le Vernet, near Toulouse, with Spanish anti-Francoists, Italian anti-fascists and Central Europeans displaced by the Third Reich's invasion of Central Europe.

>There were some claims (generally repeated on various websites) that he died in the camp in 1944. However, he did survive, was taken by the Nazis in 1943, and became a 'special officer' (Sonderführer) on the Eastern Front.

>In 1945 he was taken by the Americans, released as not being German or a Nazi, and went to Boppard, Germany, where his wife had settled in 1944.

>In 1948 he was arrested in Eisenach, Thuringia (then in the Soviet Sector of Germany, afterwards the DDR), tried and sent to Siberia.

>He returned to Germany in 1956, with the rest of the surviving German POWs, taking up residence again in Boppard: he was granted a small state pension. He made some attempt to sell his memoirs, without success, but otherwise lived quietly (given his age and adventures not unsurprisingly).

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honest question, but why weren't the jews genocided out of existence? we all know medieval christianity was not kind to non-believers, heretics, and pagans. wouldn't rejecting jesus be a pretty big heresy?

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Worker Unions and their role

I'm rather uneducated to the history of unions and the consequences of their actions on the modern society.

Most of the time, you find two conflicting viewpoints. The socialist idea is that union are the main factor which caused the working conditions to improve, while libertarians believe that unions were detrimental to everyone and that the worker's conditions improved because technology evolved.

I dunno to which extent which one is true.

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Can we all agree that England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston?

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David Rohl

I can find a million resources explaining why David Rohl is right, but none explaining why he's wrong. Even though the establishment expects to accept that he's wrong.

For the uninitiated: David Rohl is the British chap who thinks Bronze Age chronology is ~300 years too high, and that the Greek Dark Age never happened, and obviously a lot of other stuff. Sort of like Immanuel Velikovsky without the surrealist planets.

Pic related.

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WW I

Dumping a little of my folder

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The Changes of Warfare

In short are dated military books worth reading to gain a grasp of tactics and strategy that could work today? The reasons for war may not have changed, but the instruments and tactics have. The beauty of Sun Tzu's and Carl Von Clausewitz's respective Wars are timeless, able to transcend their respective times. Yet, a book say on medieval warfare would be little of use since we no longer siege castles or have knights. Is there something I'm missing /his/?

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Churchhill's Writings

Is there a comprehensive analysis of Churchill's Memoirs of the Second World War and other writings, specifically one that points out mistruths he includes? In Panzer Leader Guderian claims Churchill made false states about the state and position of German armored divisions in Czechoslovakia during its annexation so I was wondering if anyone ever fact checked everything he wrote about WWII.

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/holocaustdenial/ general

Who else /holocaustdenier/ here?
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osprey illustrations

I've always loved Osprey Publications historical illustrations, but all the people in them have hilarious facial expressions.
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Hello /his/. I was wondering if there is a /his/ reading list so i can get a grasp of world history. Nothing /pol/ish about denying holocaust or anything like that . Actual history, thanks.

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muh huratige thread?-muh huratige thread.

Inb4 someone asks for pics of granny

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Music Thread

This is one of the most feelsy and existential songs I have ever heard. I think the translation in the description is missing some areas, I will post one I found somewhere;

Worldes blis ne last no throwe;

it went and wit awey anon.

The langer that ich hit iknowe,

the lass ich finde pris tharon;

for al it is imeind mid care,

mid serwen and mid evel fare,

and atte laste povre and bare

it lat man, wan it ginth agon.

Al the blis this heer and thare

bilucth at ende weep and mon.

Al the blis of thisse live

thu shalt, man, enden inne weep;

of hus and hom, of child and wive,

a, sali man, nim tharof keep.

For thu shalt al bileven heere

thet eighte warof lord thu weere;

wan thu list, man, upon the beere

and slapst that swithe dreeri slep,

shaltu have with thee no feere

but thine werkes on a hep.

Thinc, man, warto Crist thee wroute,

and do wey preed and felth and mood.

Thinc wu deere he thee aboute

o roode mid his sweete blood.

Himselven he yaf for thee in pris

to beien thee blis, yif thu be wis;

bithinc thee thanne, and up aris of senn,

and gin to werche good

tharwils time to werchen is,

for siker elles thu art wood.

Al day thu might understonde,

and ti mirour bifor thee seen,

wat is to doon and what to wonde

and what to holden and to fleen;

for al day thu sicst mid thin eie

wu this world went and wu men deie.

That wite wel, that thu shalt dreie

as othre dede, and eek ded been;

thar ne helpth nowight to leie,

ne may no man be deth ayeen.

Translated;

Worldly bliss does not last for a moment;

it goes and passes away presently.

The longer that I know it,

the less value I find in it;

for it is all mingled with care,

with sorrows and with ill fortune,

and at the last, poor and bare

it leaves man when it departs.

All the bliss which is here and there

amounts at the end to weeping and grief.

All the bliss of this life,

you shall, man, end in weeping;

of house and home, of child and wife,

o, silly man, none of them shall you keep.

For you shall leave here all

of which you were once lord;

when you lie, man, upon the bier

and sleep that swift and dreadful sleep,

you will have with you no companion

but your piled-up deeds.

Think, man, for what purpose Christ created you,

and put away pride and filth and wrath.

Think how dearly he redeemed you

on the cross with his precious blood.

He gave himself as a ransom for you,

to buy you bliss if you are prudent;

bethink yourself then and rise up

from sin and begin to do good

while there is time to act,

for certainly otherwise you are mad.

Every day you may understand

and see as if in a mirror (lit. ”see your mirror”) before you

what is to be done and what avoided,

and what to be kept and what to flee;

for every day you see with your eyes

how this world goes and how men die.

Know this well, that you shall suffer

as others have done, and also die;

in that matter it does not help at all to lie—

no man can oppose death.

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Erasing History

NAACP wants Stone Mountain sandblasted.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/naacp-wants-removal-confederate-generals-stone-mou/nmyKH/

Why is erasing a nation's history so fashionable these days?

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Hey /his/, I bought this statuette in a thrift shop. Its not an original but I bought it because I think it looks really nice and it was less than $1.Problem is that the owner did not know which religion or even culture its from.

My Eastern knowledge is practically zero, so I was hoping one of you could identify it for me.

Cheers

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Is this book THAT wrong as /pol/ says?

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How come no one is willing to admit that it was the Arabs who started the scientific revolution and literally invented science?

Like, no one used the scientific method before them. They were the first to use experimental data and collaboration.

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The Execution of Robert Brasillach

As some of you may know, Robert Brasillach was a leading intellectual in France who openly held Fascist sympathies in Vichy France expressed in the newspaper Je suis partout which he edited. Infamously, he was executed by the state for his role as editor, which included publishing the names and addresses of various Jews and members of La Resistance. He later spent his time promoting collaboration and German victory, and also called for the execution of political opponents in his paper. His execution is controversial because his crimes, rather than militaristic or political, were intellectual, raising serious questions about free speech.

How culpable do you believe Brasillach was? Were his deeds worthy of execution?

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Serbian Genocide

Alright /his/, I need some thoughts on this.

From what little I know, Serbia removes kebab in Bulgaria, the world sees an atrocity, and bombs the Serbs until they stop removal. And that would be the end of that, if not for the screams of SERBIA WUZA GUD BOI, HE DINDU NUFFIN around some corners of the internet.

So I ask you, /his/, was Serbia justified in what they did? Were Bosnian Muslims the offender rather than the victims? If so, why did NATO ignore Serbia's plight but attack Serbia?

When it comes to issues such as these, sides of discussion are driven my emotion and nationalism (basically the war of butthurt slavs and butthurt muslims), neither of which makes for good debate and inquiry. I want to have an objective viewpoint on this issue, and I'm confident it isn't as black and white as some say.

I'll probably make future threads on controversial events like this, assuming this one doesn't descend into a shitstorm.

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Largest fuck up in history?

Picture says it all.

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Would you make love to an early homo sapiens (or alternatively Neanderthal), /his/ ?

Because every board needs at least one shitposting thread

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Lets talk about the crew of the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria.

There is a lot of talk about Columbus but not of the lowly men who followed him into the unknown.

What do you think they were like? What do you think they looked like?

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Pre-Columbian discovery of the Americas

Vikings taking a shortcut over Greenland need not apply.

Other than that, the title says it all - do you think such a discovery has been made (only to be promptly forgotten afterwards)? Was such a long passage over the Atlantic (or, alternatively, the Pacific) even possible before the early Renaissance in terms of nautical technology? And if so, what do you consider the most likely candidate for it?

Been reading up on the Chinese 1421 theory a bit, but it seems pretty wild, to put it mildly - especially the fact that its originator, Gavin Menzies, seriously claims Montezuma treated Cortez so well because he mistook him for his returning, Chinese grandfather.

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>Things the rustle your jimmies thread

>vikings had horns
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Was there a chinese version of Marco Polo?

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Let's talk about Emperor-fucking-Norton

Yes, His Majesty Emperor Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.

>Born a Jew in Britain, moved to South Africa and eventually to California

>With only $40,000 made his fortune with shekel powers

>Pranced around S.F. and proclaimed himself emperor

Norton was loved and revered by the citizens of San Francisco. Although penniless, he regularly ate at the finest restaurants in San Francisco; restaurateurs took it upon themselves to add brass plaques in their entrances declaring "[by] Appointment to his Imperial Majesty, Emperor Norton I of the United States." Norton's self-penned Imperial seals of approval were prized and a substantial boost to trade. No play or musical performance in San Francisco would dare to open without reserving balcony seats for Norton.

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Detailed Map Thread

Lets have a detailed map thread, and discuss things about the map, like with pic related.
So I don't want to just talk about Rome but do you think they could have made a red sea fleet or had built more red sea coastal cities for trade?
Also requesting a detailed 3 kingdoms china map and an Aztec map.
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Red coat

Hi /his/ I really want to find a place to buy a redcoat (preferably one from the royal Scottish regiment or something from the war of 1812) Do you know a good place? All the Google research I compiled lead me nowhere.

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The Great War

Who else is watching and do you think it's good?

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Hello /his/ , I made >>>/laboratory/ so we can talk and shitpost about STEM if you're interested in that sort of thing , or if you're just interested in the history of science , math , and engineering , ect.

Please stop by,

Thank you.

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Winston Churchill destroyed Europe and the west

Why was Churchill such a piece of shit?

What were his motivations for a war with Germany, and how could he have actually thought the world would become a better place for it?

Also did anyone actually support Churchill? Did the people like him and if they did was it just due to propaganda?

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Would people be interested in a /his/ minecraft server? The idea is it's a world map, with factions, where people do historical nations and sort of act out an alternate history. We have a bit of a prototype running with people from /int/, over at 185.56.136.58:58924 on minecraft 1.8.1

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Giants

Whats your thought on this? is it possible we had giants roaming the lands in the past? a lot of religions have giants in them like the Iliad,old and new testament,and civilizations in south america? perhaps the giants were mistaked for gods?

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Civilization

>"Boredom - a feeling of hopelessness, which can overtake people with a high degree of material prosperity."

How does it feel to be living through the fall of Rome anew, fellows?

General End Times discussion,

>tfw death of the mesoamerican empires

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What do you goys think about the famous military historian Charles Oman?

Personally I find his bias towards his native country annoying, as well as his lack of any citations.

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Is this the most prestigious Escutcheon in History?

Philip II, ruler of Spain, Portugal, England and the Low countries.

Post impressive Escutcheons/Coat of arms

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Otto Von Bismarck Thread

Having a pretty shit week, and it's only going to be worse as soon as Monday rings around. I want to get my mind off things, so if you /his/torians could be so kind, a thread about pic related would put a swing in my step.

Photo dumps, gifs, ebin maymays, criticisms, speeches, anything you have about good old blood and iron would make my night. Danke, mitfühlende Freunde.

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Autistic /his/ theories

Autistic /his/ theories thread?

>The romans landed in south america around 100 AD

>Somehow, they left knowledge of advanced masonry, engineering, and some men over at the amazon

>Eventually some of these amazonians end up migrating to the andes

>rediscover roman engineering and masonry, and jumpstart the incan empire

>mfw the roman empire survived more than another 1100 years not by the byzantines, but by the incans.

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1920 Albania forum game

http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx

>join as a historical figure involved in 1920s Albania, either as an actual Albanian or a foreigner

>enter a land filled with intrigue, poverty, rebellion and an unyielding yearning for freedom

>change the fate of Albania

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Chariots

Alright /his/, here's what I think:

All of the countries invaded by the Mongols would've fared better (maybe not won but done better) if they would've resurrected the chariot as a vehicle of war.

You always read about how they were flummoxed by the light archer cavalry; the chariot seems like it would've been an appropriate counter response.

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Nine Worthies of Chivalry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_Worthies

Male:

Three Pagans:

Hector

Alexander the Great

Julius Caesar

Three Jews:

Josue

King David

Judas Maccabeus

Three Christians:

King Arthur

Charlemagne

Godfrey of Bouillon

Renaissance:

Hercules

Pompey the Great

Female:

Three Pagans:

Lucretia

Veturia

Virginia

Three Jews:

Esther

Judith

Jael

Three Christians:

Helena

Bridget of Sweden

Elizabeth of Hungary

Original:

Deiphille

Synoppe

Hippolyte

Menalyppe

Semiramis

Lampetho

Thamarys

Teuta

Penthésilée

Whom would you place on such a list? Personally I think of Ali, Ronald and Joan of Arc and Zawisza the Black, Joan wasn't included for obvious reasons.

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QTDDTOT

Usually on /k/, there is always this thread with questions that could be answered with a few posts, and don't deserve their own thread.

Feel free to join!

I'll start :

Was the american government aware of the long term effects of radiation poisoning prior to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagazaki?

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Magna carta

Hi guys. At Salisbury cathedral today to see the magna carta on its birthday. Why does everyone seem to think its some form of bill of rights? I feel nobody here really gets what it was - a law limiting the power of the king over the aristocracy. Am I alone in this? Pics very related.

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One of the most worst mass murderers in history.

No one has heard of him outside of Stormfront.

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What was Holy Roman Emperor?

What exactly was HRE, what kind of power did he had?

>inb4 le ebin Voltaire

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ITT: Sexy Weapons Thread: Glaive Edition

ITT we post our best Weapons, and explain their uses and why they are the best (I know there's kinda a thread for it already but it's fucked up beyond recognition so I'm starting a new one).

The Glaive is very Powerful due to it's power of reach, and so lightweight to the Point you mostly guide it around with one hand and only use the other for extra support when delivering a blow, It could Perform nearly all the duties a Halberd could do, and it could be used as a spear much more easily than the spear tip of a Halberd.

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This video is a tribute to the courageous defenders of Vienna under command of Ernst Rüdiger von Stahremberg, to soldiers of Austria, Bavaria, Saxonia, Franconia and Swabia, to spirited Italian lancers, and last but not least, to the Polish Army under command of Jan III Sobieski, thanks to whom not only are we privileged to be free and to worship God in our homes, but also in the public life.

My special acknowledgement to all other heroes of that time who made their contribution, though unknown to history yet well known to God, to saving Europe from the nightmare of Islam.

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What if early man had domesticated bears instead of wolves?

Would we have breeds of little living teddy bears running around?

Would bear cavalry actually be a thing? Bears if I recall correctly can run about as fast as horses.

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Could the middle east have been more peaceful if the Traditional Caliph still existed?

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>you will never campaign across Europe, fucking camp followers and killing catholics as you go
fml
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Attilla the Hun and Pope Leo

So /his/, what exactly do you think happened in the meeting between Attilla the Hun and Pope Leo? What caused the "Scourge of God" to turn his back on a Roman Empire ripe for the plunder?

Or was the meeting just made up by later historians?

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I have some questions for you /his/

Is it possible that that Atlantis was a Greek colony of Tartessos?

How genuine is the tale of king Arthur?

How genuine is the tale that Romans are descendants from the Trojans?

Were the Proto-Europeans spread all across Europe before the Indo-Aryan invasion or were they just located in the Balkans, Scandinavia and for some reason Sardinia, like today?

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>tfw your glorious bastion of civilization was destroyed by savages

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Did monarchies stifle technological advancement?

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Is there a more pointless, and yet more brutal conflict than Thirty year's war?

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/his/ - Anthropology

Are Arabs - not just some African ones, but in general - actually Afro-Arabs?

A lot of latinos are Euro-Amerindians, being a composite of these two distinct ancestries. I hear muslim slave trade was humongous (some Iraqi on /int/ claimed they castrated all the men and killed all the rape babies from slave women, but I doubt it, at least the later part) as well as there being a regular migration from Africa to Iraq and similar places during the Abbasid Caliphate - is it possible that a lot of traits that seem indigenous to the Middle Eastern Arabs are actually of subsaharan origin?

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JUST

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So what's the scoop on WW1/WW2? I want a long detailed history on all of it not coming from a /pol/ack or a dumbass (commie).
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Good films ordered by century

0 - The Passion of the Christ

100 - Gladiator

200

300 - Agora

400 - King Arthur

500

600

700

800

900

1000

1100 - Kingdom of Heaven

1200 - Braveheart

1300 - The Seventh Seal

1400 - "1492"

1500 - Apocalypto

1600 - New World

1700 - Barry Lyndon

1800 - Master and Commander

1900 - Private James Ryan

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You're at a party and these guys lay the foundation for your entire civilization. What do you do?

greece thread

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Prohibition

What were the economical benefits of the prohibition? I understand the social benefits and how this would make a more efficient workforce, though surely the country would be hit by the total abolishment of alcohol

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Historial Babes/Waifu

Who are your favorite historical babes and/or waifu?

Pic semi-related.

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American History

So I recently picked up What Hath God Wrought by Daniel Walker Howe. Despite being American I feel like I'm pretty woefully uninformed regarding my own country's history so I've been wanting to read more.

The Jacksonian Era has always seemed interesting and this came off like a fairly comprehensive book on it so I read some reviews, noted that there's some anti-Jackson/pro-Clay and Whig bias but hey whatever I can deal with that. The problem is that I'm not even out of the first chapter and both it and the prologue have been a constant assault on how evil whites are for engaging in conquest of the noble and amazing Native Americans who were oh so complex and awesome. There's a tone of "we should still be flogging ourselves for the acts committed against the natives and blacks, the most evil acts man has ever done". It reads way more like a 700 page long tract on how much white people back then sucked.

And really looking around it seems like a lot of books that cover the 1800s and especially westard expansion have the same general tone. That's not to say I want the opposite, giant conservative screeds about how awesome America is and the glory of Manifest Destiny and fuck the redskins. And I know every writer will have their biases but I think it's possible to temper them: I'm reading Embracing Defeat at the same time and the author at least so far does a fairly good job of not allowing himself to make constant moral judgements about the American occupation forces or this or that.

So I guess are there any good books regarding American history, specifically the 1800s and maybe westward expansion, that are maybe a little more straightforward while not laying the anacrhonistic moral judgements on so thick? And I guess American History genearl, talk about American history and what not ITT.

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Why wasn't trench Warfare used in this era?

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>38 unique users

Don't die on me /his/, you glorious bastards.

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Fall of Constantinople forum game

http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx

It just started hours ago. Has 21 players so far.

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Do you like autism?

Do you like Legos?

Sounds like you can bear the abysmal autism that is Minecraft!

Well, join us on /int/craft, a server dedicated to history, roleplay and banter.

The setting is 900-1200 AD with a custom made map of earth (without the americas). You can choose to join any nation, or build your own and build the most Roleplay city out there!

The server is pirate friendly.

IP: 185.56.136.58:58924

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Blueprints and schematics of super heavy tanks of WWII

I was hoping you guys may have some schematics of the Maus and the Landkreuzer P. 1000 Ratte. I need as much information as possible; essentially enough to build them. Any pngs and pdfs?

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Alternate countries thread

I'll start. Also feel free to make a flag here: http://andrewsarnold.github.io/FlagMaker-Jr/

>The French Reich State

>Operation Valkyrie succeeds, Stauffenburg, Olbricht, and Von Tresckow take control of the government and negotiate peace with Russia, and withdraw from Africa to focus its' efforts on Europe. The subsequent concentration of force on the Western front results in all of Western Europe and Britain being invaded and taken over by the Reich. The French National Socialist government is installed as a state in the Reich and serves as a puppet for the German state.

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I'm a U.S. citizen and although our history classes are mostly self cucking leftist teaching, I think our public education is still a little biased against the actions of communist countries.

I've equated stuff like the Tiananmen Square massacre to the F.D.A. sweeping the cardiovascular side effects of things like MSG and plant growth under the rug for industrial strength, as well as the excessive use of agent orange.

However, I can't justify the berlin wall. The move just seemed autistic logistically. What where they thinking?

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Gonna go out on a limb and say a lot of us here discovered their interest in history from video games.

With that in mind, what are some historical events that could make fun vidya gaems, but haven't already been done to death?
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/pol/ock here. thoughts on this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invention_of_the_Jewish_People

TL;DR it's got the summary of the book in the article

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/byz/- Byzantine General

>Ctl+F
>No Byzantine Empire thread

Lets fix that. First order of business, who is your favorite emperor and why is it Basil II? Second order a business, why was he so based?
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Hail,

I have been thinking on this for a while and doing sparse research from what I can, and I have been doing even more thinking than that. I know that trappers and hunters in America and Canada and such would live alone and be independent for quite some time, living off provisions and what they killed.

Were there similar things amongst the viking people? Would a hunter go out to a small cabin or hut or shack and gather pelts/meat/etc and then return after days/weeks/months? I ask because I want to live like that for a certain amount of time. Instead of living like an American trapper (which is doable but has been done before) I would like to attempt it with what the viking peoples would have done. Is this possible? I would like to document my time as well and write a book about it, as I think it would be interesting to read.

Am I retarded or is this something that can be done?

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Anarchism general

Hello /his/, /leftypol/ here. I'm curious what your thoughts are on the anarchist movements through out history particularly in Spain, Ukraine, and France

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Viking/Sea People Connection

http://hiddenhistorysecrets.blogspot.com/2008/01/vikings-invade-egypt-in-1200-bc.html

>The North Sea peoples (Atlanteans) were notable seafarers with a fleet of 1200 war ships.

>They invaded and conquered all the Greek states except Athens.

>The story of the invasion of the North Sea Peoples told Solon by the Egyptian priests states that they were repulsed from conquering Egypt by King Ramses III (1200 -1168).

>During the 'Dark Ages' after 1200 BC, there was no writing in Greece. There was only the Egyptian priests recorded history.

>The Aegean culture was destroyed and mixed with the North Sea People.

>The North Sea People broke like a hurricane on the Mediterranean Lands using their iron weapons.

>The Ancient Egyptian Inscriptions and papyrus texts (1220 BC) tell of the invasions of the North Sea People.

>The Palace-Temple of Ramses III, at Medinet Habu shows the mural reliefs.

>On the walls of the palace and the Temple of Ramses III (1200 BC) are his achievements in battle.

As I was doing my daily reading through Spengler, in one of his footnotes he suggested that the mysteries Sea Peoples that invaded Egypt during/before the Greek Dark Ages were Germanics. I was shocked at this idea as I'd never before heard of it. Doesn't seem like there is much traction to it presently, though it makes a lot of sense to me. What do you think, /his/?

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>ctrl + f Ancient Athens

>nothing

Ancient Athens thread

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Okay /his/. Let's talk about the British Raj. Was their influence a net positive or negative? On the one hand, we have guys like Nehru who point out that India's percentage of GDP declined from 20% to 5% during the colonial period. On the other hand, I could also argue that this was mostly because India was a non-industrial country.

Furthermore, what do you guys think about British reforms in India? The Brits improved sanitation, medicine, trade, infrastructure, etc…

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The Eastern Border

Anyhow, hello everyone! I'm a history guy from Riga, Latvia, and I'm making this podcast:

http://theeasternborder.lv/

It is (well, right now and in the forseeable future) about the other side of the cold war - the history and the life of the USSR after the WW2 and until it's collapse. And then some, because it's meant to be about eastern europe in general. The twist is - as I live in Riga, Latvia, and as the USSR was corrupt as hell, and not much of what really was going on was written down, it's also dedicated to preserving the stories of people who actually lived there. So, if this seems interesting to you, give The Eastern Border a try.

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Canada: A People's History

Is this series good? Is it historically accurate, or biased in any way?

I'm sure I've seen it before as a kid in school but I don't remember anything about it.

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FUCKING NORMANS GET OUT

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Fashionable threads thread.

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History of /liberty/

>I have said that as long as one has regard, as unfortunately happens, only to the interest of the producer, it is impossible to avoid running counter to the general interest, since the producer, as such, demands nothing but the multiplication of obstacles, wants, and efforts.

>I find a remarkable illustration of this in a Bordeaux newspaper.

>M. Simiot raises the following question:

>Should there be a break in the tracks at Bordeaux on the railroad from Paris to Spain?

>He answers the question in the affirmative and offers a number of reasons, of which I propose to examine only this:

>There should be a break in the railroad from Paris to Bayonne at Bordeaux; for, if goods and passengers are forced to stop at that city, this will be profitable for boatmen, porters, owners of hotels, etc.

>Here again we see clearly how the interests of those who perform services are given priority over the interests of the consumers.

>But if Bordeaux has a right to profit from a break in the tracks, and if this profit is consistent with the public interest, then Angoulême, Poitiers, Tours, Orléans, and, in fact, all the intermediate points, including Ruffec, Châtellerault, etc., etc., ought also to demand breaks in the tracks, on the ground of the general interest—in the interest, that is, of domestic industry—for the more there are of these breaks in the line, the greater will be the amount paid for storage, porters, and cartage at every point along the way. By this means, we shall end by having a railroad composed of a whole series of breaks in the tracks, i.e., a negative railroad.

>Whatever the protectionists may say, it is no less certain that the basic principle of restriction is the same as the basic principle of breaks in the tracks: the sacrifice of the consumer to the producer, of the end to the means.

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Hunnic cities and settlements

Hello! Long time no see on this board, sorry for that!

(I'm an "amateur/hobbyist historian", so it's not like it was a big loss…, I've not had much books in hand since finishing school… mostly reading long ass essays/articles on webz only, sic, and focusing on antiquity and mediaeval, and new to interwar~cold war)

I'm preparing a minour mod for Civ V, mainly altering the bad spellings (ie Spakh instead of Sipahi, or Cracow rather than Krakow, trying to even use a little "archaic" English forms sometimes like Peking, Canton or Nanking), but also trying to fix few stupid things like Huns borrowing cities from other nations (also I think of doing city-list for Venetia too) of alter city lists overall (Poland got Kovno, Klaipėda and Šiauliai, when Vilna was left as a city-state, there are no Ukrainians or Belarusians, neither are they represented by Russian city choices like Kiev in Civ II - only Kiev as a city-state, yet there is no Lvov or Grodno on city list, a rather important cities for us, Bielsko-Biała is merged into one city, I'll try to make it represents the whole Commonwealth or at least those most important in our history) . Also if I'll get speakers, I'll try to replace some bad linguistic leader's speech choices, like Assyrians speaking Assyrian Neo-Aramaic rather than Akkadian (Babylonians already do), Egyptians speaking Coptic instead of… Misrani Arabic (sic!), Moroccans (will replace it with general representation of Tamazagh/Maghreb, like it's done with Arabia, Morocco as a standalone civ looks stupid next to it, often counted as an "Arab state") speaking Berber (or at least mixed Darija) rather than Moroccan Arabic, and probably most drastic one Byzantines speaking Mediaeval or Chuch/Ecclesiastical Latin rather than Greek Koine (remember it's Justinian dynasty times), as I understand it Justinian and Theodora were native Latin speakers from Balkans, which was fully Latin-speaking before Slavs came. Also it was language of the army up until some time, I think even after "greecisation" of the Empire, like in Age of Empires II. I recall consuls of senate also had Latin titles and maybe it was even spoken there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_consuls , last being Imp. Caesar Leo Augustus/Leo VI the Wise (so pretty late, Macedonian dynasty, heard they were Armenians), not sure what happened after, heard it was renamed to Greek counterpart.

That's for leaders, if I remember correctly in Civ IV units rather than leaders were speaking when given orders, would be cool to borrow and implement that too, but not sure if it's possible/hard to do.

Hence my question. I recalled Huns DID build one actual city, it was when they were Xiongnu/Hunnu (the latter will be short-name for the civ), somewhere in China, it was their capital. If I recall good there were like 3 statehoods of Huns/Hunnu before they dispersed into Black Huns of Attila and White Huns - Hephthalites in India, I wonder how much of them stayed in East Asia?

I'll most likely use http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=&id=138222160 intermixed with their cities from Fall of Rome Civ III scenario, where I remember they had cities like "Great Bulgar" and I think Buda and Pest. So it will be huge representation, from Chinese capital (replacing Attila's Court), "Great Bulgar", to their cities in Europe/Pannonia (?), just like Russians who have cities from Moscow to Vladivostok (and even further, I'll add New Arkhangelks and Fort Ross). Buda and Pest I'll reserve for Hungarians

Also, another question, did Romans used some shorter name for terrain/state of Carthage? Like idk, Punicia (language & Punic wars) or Carthaginia, or something?

It's not mainstream knowledge, but they did called their country Romania (Rhomania in Greek) as Byzantines, before calling that terrains controlled by them in Italy (as opposed to barbarian Lombardia), country of Goths - Gothia, or Celtic core - Celtia. So I guess something for their sworn enemies must exist too.

The modern country was called Wallachia or Rumania later, and inhabitans - Vlachs/Wallachians or Rumanians later. Idk why it got changed.

Btw, check >>>/vex/, vexillological & heraldic board please!

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Does /his/ know this book? Any opinions?

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Ave, my name is Gneo Giulio Ken.

I’m a 27 year old Italian res publica fanaticus (early roman republic fan for you barbarians). I draw dicks and shitpost on my wall, and spend my days perfecting my graffiti art and playing superior roman games. (Pancratium, Cestus and Petarum)

I train with my Gladius every day, this superior weapon can pierce clean through steel because its tip has a perfect angle, and is vastly superior to any other weapon on earth. I earned my sword license two years ago, and I have been getting better every day thanks to my training in the campus martius.

I speak Latin fluently, and I write fluently as well (especially on walls). I know everything about roman history and their pietas code, which I follow 100%

When I get my Lazio visa, I am moving to Rome to attend a prestigious High School to learn more about their magnificent culture. I hope I can become an archeologist.

I own several loricae, which I wear around town. I want to get used to wearing them before I move to Rome, so I can fit in easier. I bow to my pater and seniors and speak Latin as often as I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

Wish me luck in Rome!

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So can you guys recommend me any good documentaries or youtube channels to watch to learn history? I do kind of prefer medieval history but any history related media would be cool.

I'll settle for just really realistic TV show or movie.

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ITT - Underappreciated weapons.
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what are some modern books dealing with France's past before the disgusting french revolution?

mainly dealing with the catholic and monarchical aspects of french history

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Jihad thread, in which we talk about the ways muslims declaring jihad have influenced history for better or worse.

To get things started, here are a few points of interest:

>do you see jihad as a code of honor thing or as a send the fools to the meat grinder so our army has an easier time immoral tactic?

>was the ottoman conquest of byzantium and bulgaria jihad or just imperialism?

>does declaring jihad on other muslims make a lick of sense and why?

>is jihad relevant as a military strategy today?

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>tfw this is legitimately the only non-autistic board on this site

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Braced spears can't melt massed cavalry

LET'S TALK ABOUT POLEARMS

From the simple spear to the hefty halberd, polearms have been used by pretty much every culture across the planet due to (generally) thanks to how simple they are to use and how versatile they are. Alexander conquered the world with the 22 foot long sarissa, the elite heavy cavalry of England were thwarted by Scottish pikes at Bannockburn, and mercenaries like the Landsknecht and the Gallowglass became some of the most feared and sought-after infantry in Europe due to their proficiency with heavy polearms.

With a history and diversity as deep and varied as some other topics discussed on this board, lets stop shitposting about horsefuckers and olive-munchers for a few minutes to talk about, arguably, the weapons that have killed more people than any other.

I'll kick us off with a question that's been bugging me for a while. How effective are massed spears at stopping a heavy cavalry charge? Surely the weight of an armoured horse at full pace would be able to disrupt the battle line? Even if the horse is galled or killed, it's still traveling at speed and the sheer weight of it would probably end up falling onto the spearmen in front of it, right?

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>Walking through the forum

>This guy slaps your slave's ass

What do? Keep in mind he's Imperator and divus

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>Wake up

>See this

You have been teleported on Talas, 751 AD! @ most strongest empires on earth are clashing!

Who's side will you choose? Muslims? or Tang Dynasty?

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/his/ Official Steam Group Thread

Hey all, im the moderator in the /his/ Steam Group. Ill be posting here everything about this shindig, so please you guy do so too.

SteamLink:

https://staging.steamcommunity.com/groups/hissteam

Im planning a couple of events, however i need to know what /his/-themed games you guys have (including mods). Link here for the strawpoll. Its pretty big so i hope most games will be covered, if i forget any games that you guys might have please post them here.

Game strawpoll:

http://strawpoll.me/4801198

Suggestions, future games, events, and discussions are welcome too, just keep them here

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Historical Stories thread

>be me a Normal Roman Soldier
>stationed in Britan
>a cute celtic girl comes up to me and asks for help
>be Virgin, too beta to go to whore house
>her father who is ancient needs help walking
>he is very ancient, must have fought against Ceaser (200 years later btw)
>he sees me
>I start to help him
>I take him to the forge (where he worked, good arms but bad legs and hip)
>I leave trying to look as Alpha as a centurion infront of Celtic girl
>she asks me to follow her
>go behind a hut
>awwyeah.ivorysculpture
>no awwyeah.ivorysculpture
>as she starts to take her shirt off someone hits the back of my head with a rock
>I wake up with the handle side of a Gladius shoved up my anus
>im tied up
>about to be put in a Wickerman
>a baby is sucking on cute celtic girls breasts
>mfw
>Legion comes to rescue me (not really)
>they were stomping out the seeds of a rebellion
>mfw I was so dirty they though I was a Celt
>took hours to get a hold of people I knew
>mfw I become Laughing stock of the Cohort
>soon the entire Legion
>General auctions off the Captured slaves
>Based Quintilious Buys Celtic Girl
>he gives her to me
>mfw too chicken to have sex
>sell her to local farmer
> Quintilious and local farmer get spots everywhere
>glad I didn't have sex with her
>local farmer whored her out to whole village
>village is now an STD wasteland
>mfw Quintilious gets discharged because of illness and I have no friends
>mfw I left legion and spend my days chiseling out shit with 13 year olds on this fucking wall
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If someone didn't know Napoleon's first name how mad would you be at that person?

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What are some examples of battles with more than two factions fighting between them? allies being part of the same faction, non modern battles of course.

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Hey guys I am looking to make game on my own time mostly for fun, and I need some research material. The game will be about trade, and I am looking at three different time periods.

These are;

The height of Rome (relatively safe roads and seas from brittania to judia to alexandria and beyond)

Dark ages (very unsafe roads and seas, different "states" (if I recall the concept of a state was very different then) complicate trade a lot and there is generally less wealth, also jews)

>Renaissance(more established trade making it harder for small fry, as well as places further from europe becoming connected to it, and all the fancy new ideas that came with the age of enlightenment)

Bassically I need material that talks about commerce during those periods, and any comments you guys might have would be appreciated as well.

Some things in particular I am interested in are

>differing currencies and cultures complicating trade, how did early trade with china work for example

>tarriffs, how and when they were used, and how harsh were they

>how a peasant would come to be a merchant logically

Thanks!

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Central Asia General

Tell me about Central Asia, /his/.

The region is seldom discussed. Popular media fixates on a few settings, namely that of Medieval Europe, Feudal Japan, Imperial China, the Islamic world, the Ancient Near East/Egypt, and the Classical Mediterranean. But there's so little media about times and places like Medieval Georgia, the Grecobactrian Kingdom, or Turkic nomads.

>What are some good books or documentaries about this region?

>What did it look like? Did Bactrian cities look Greek or Eastern?

>Did Silk Road Merchants travel all the way from China to Persia, or did the goods simply keep changing hands?

>What religions did steppe peoples follow prior to Islam?

It's like an entire corner of the globe is forgotten. Even Africa gets its share of attention from Afrocentrists and SJWs, but Central Asia seems totally of the radar

Semi-related, but I'm really hoping Bannerlord fleshes out the Khergit world

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Rhodesia?

Pic related is what a friend of mine has been telling me about Rhodesia.

I know it was an (unwillingly?) isolationist apartheid state, and that's it. I know next to nothing about it.

Was it even close to a cozy as this pic suggests? I can't imagine the black majority could have been very grateful for a strict racial hierarchy, and I know there was a lot of resistance to Rhodesian rule.

Someone able to summarize the country's history for me?

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Holy Roman Empire

So, Holy Roman Empire thread? Looking around for books on it and I saw that Peter H. Wilson has a book coming out in February, a giant 1000-page book on the history of the HRE. I'm working my way through his book on the Thirty Years' War and liking it a lot so I'll definitely pick it up.

I guess by extension you could include the Habsburgs and Austria-Hungary in here as well and maybe just all manner of medieval/pre-unification Germany talk.

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So, the Boshin War. Can we talk about that? What were the major effects, both good and bad, on Japanese society during the rapid modernization that occurred (besides, you know, "more guns" or "nicer houses")? What did the Tokugawa Shogunate do that made them so easily pushed back by Imperial Forces? Could they have done anything to stop the Imperials? Would Japan have possibly been better off under the Tokugawas instead of the Emperor?

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Gustav Adolf

So, lets talk about this guy. Was this man not one of the most over-rated commanders in history? He won a great victory at Breitenfeld, but one spectacular victory can hardly qualify a general as one of the greatest ever. Only one year later he died in battle that was a costly, pointless bloodbath. Although often cited as a Swedish victory; losing more men, more banners, your king and commander, and reinvigorating the enemy's previously lagging morale can hardly be counted as a victory. He wasn't even the best Swedish commander of the war, that being Torstensson.

It goes without saying that his propaganda about defending Protestantism and the German liberties were nonsense, since neither of the powerful Protestant princes joined him willingly.

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Considering /monster/ is having a movie night, is /his/ open for a movie night this weekend? Any suggestions?

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Vladimir the Great-an Othodox saint and the most metal man to ever walk this Earth (960-1015)

>be me, son of a slavegirl and a king

>have two older brothers, Oleg and Yaropolk

>get kewl Novgorod even though you are just a third son but daddy Sviatoslav loves you more

>be best friends with your uncle, Dobryna

>send a marriage proposal to the fairest chick in the land, Rogneda

>she says I'm just a slave and I'm fugly

>cry myself on Dobryna's shoulder to sleep

>daddy dies

>civil war time, shit hits the fan, Yaropolk kills Oleg

>decide it's time for a tactical retreat

>run to Norway

>bail some poofag out and let him join my new shiny Viking army

>sail back to Rus, retake Novgorod

>Pskov sided with Yaropolk and that bitch Rogneda lives there

>capture Pskov, ask Dobryna what to do with the bitch

>Dobryna says I should rape her in front of her family and then kill the family and force her to marry me

>uncleknowsbest.jpg

>she's angry for some reason

>fuck her, got places to go

>siege Kiev where my retarded brother resides

>Kiev is too strong

>igotanidea.gif

>bribe big bro's military advisor, Blud

>Blud scares bro into thinking the Kievites will revolt

>retard flees Kiev

>force him to negotiate

>he agrees

>meet him and execute him right away

>whatatwist.gif

>I'm the supreme ruler of Rus now

>feelsgoodman.jpg

>no money in treasury, turns out civil war is bad for economy and other nerdy shit

>Vikings ask for pay

>let the inner Jew out

>send the Viking to serve the emperor of Byzantium saying I'll pay later

>ask emperor to split the army into small groups and scatter them across the empire

>be amazed with your own Jewish genius

>decide our pantheon is for pussies and make Perun , the war God, the highest God

>decide paganism is lame as a whole and invite different priests to choose religion

>Jews are Jews, my sweet daddy didn't like Catholics and fucking mehmeds want me to stop drinking

>choose Orthodox Christianity

>turns out having 800 concubines and 4 wives is bad for your soul so I let them all go

>should've read the license agreement

>that bitch Rogneda ain't even grateful and decides to become a nun

>fine, whatever

>single, looking for ladies in my area

>emperor's daughter, that Anastasia chick looks hot

>emperor says his baby is too good for me

>fuck you,emperor

>I'm coming for you, that's what my daddy used to say

>siege Korsun

>fuckers have fresh water from canalization, smartasses

>destroy the canalization pipes

>what now, nerds?

>dying of thirst?crimea river

>enter Korsun

>tell the emperor I'm gonna raze Tsargrad to the ground if I don't get Anastasia

>get the chick

>success.jpg

>emperor asks to fight fucking Bulgarian rebels

>fine, whatever

>rek them

>rek Poles

>rek Pechenegs

>rek Drevlyans

>rek Vyatiches

>rek Estonians

>rek Volga Bulgaria

>die in 1015

>a civil war breaks out

>you die and rise anew,begotten

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>searching for information on early colonial ironwork

>hoping to make reproductions for reenactors and collectors

>can't find anything in my local library system

>can't find any pdfs or catalogs

>most of the pictures found have no dates or information about them

>spend a few hours on amazon.

>Find exactly what I'm looking for

>Colonial Wrought Iron, the Sorber Collection

>it's $140 used, $300 new

>it was published in 1999

I just want to make historically correct things. Does anyone else have any problems finding accurate information?

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OFFICIAL /HIS/TORY PODCAST

Hey /his/!

We from the /his/torians steam group have come up with the following idea; a podcast!

The idea is to make a podcast and regularly make episodes about anything that has to do with history. From the Romans to critical and maybe even fictional history, you name it. Ofcourse, it is still in babbystage, but when we got enough people we can start things.

Furthermore it is just a general thread regarding a potential podcast.

Greetings,

-Aulus

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Consolidation

So you've got yourself a kingdom, or an empire.

And throwing bodies, be they untrained peasants or skilled veterans, at every problem isn't cost effective.

How do you consolidate power, /his/?

What have been the most effective, creative, or just plain devious ways to make sure everyone stays the fuck in line?

While I think I'll be topped pretty soon, I'd nominate Tokugawa Iemitsu's legislation of sankin-kotai (参勤交代). Formerly a convention, Iemitsu formally legalised a system whereby all daimyo had to spend alternate periods in their home province and the capital, Edo. That's maintain two princely residences. And pay for all the inclusive traveling costs between them. And their heirs and wives were effectively political hostages who remained in Edo.

My rune-fu ain't too good, but I'm pretty sure "sankin kotai" translates as "dissent this, General Chucklefuck"

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Warband Weekends with /his/

Click here for schedules, updates, and cleaned up guides! VVVV

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MWpnweadZyUrOdEfo7QyQvt44ruEPZiz5BqPTX7D58U/edit?usp=sharing

^^^

Okay /his/, we've had lots of talk about playing this shitty game but we oughta attempt to actually get something going, so here goes nothing. Click the link above for some basic info on how to play, and post your thoughts on the event ITT or on the doc.

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A Dilemma: The Iliad, The Odyssey, and Histories

As much as I love history, I love military history and strategy/tactics more. So I have The History of the Peloponnesian War, Cyrus/Xenophon's Anabasis, and Alexander The Great's Anabasis and Indica for my Greek military history collection. However, I have yet to read them because I have to yet read the Iliad, Odyssey, and Histories because every time I start the Iliad I put it down for three or more days before picking it back up. Am I really going to miss anything by skipping them, seeing how they're mainly fiction?

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Rhodesia and the Boers

Hey /his/, there's a little side project I have going on that involves the Boers and Rhodesia, so i would like to see a brief historical/social event overview of these two things. Try to keep it as civil and indifferent as possible.

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>5th century

>not having stirrup

>not having reflex bow

>not having mounted archers

>not having strong leader

>calling yourself mostest powerful army of world

Ever wondered why Rome lose?

Hunnic man laugh

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Tell me about Pericles, why did he wear the helmet?

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Hey /his/, what are your thoughts about the stagnation and collapse of the Ottoman empire? Pic somewhat related

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You're in Europe, and this mongol slaps your kingdom's ass

What do you do, /his/?

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Kaiserreich forum game

http://z13.invisionfree.com/eRegime/index.php?act=idx

For those who are unaware of what Kaiserreich is (but then again they're probably not interested to begin with): http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/KaiserreichLegacyOfTheWeltkrieg

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Been reading a lot of Alternative History lately /his/, and one of them claimed that Europe would not have industrialized without colonization.

What do you think of this?

Let's say that Europe - for one reason or another - had never established colonies on the old world, and had confined themselves to trading ports and things like that. Would the West still be the first industrialized civilization in the world?

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/monster/ movie night

hey /his/

/monster/ is having a movie night and you guys are invited! We fap to a lot of monsters that come mythology, so you guys should at least feel some sort of twisted camaraderie, r-right?

Anyway, the theme this time is sci-fi. You can see the movie line up below. Hope you guys can tune in and have some fun!

Theme: Sci-Fi

When

This Saturday, 7/11/15, starting at 7 pm EST

Where

http://connectcast.tv/AmmitsDisciple

Movie Schedule

Pacific Rim

Blade Runner

30-minute break

Starship Troopers

Space Balls

official thread >>>/monster/59507

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The Worst "History" Article I've Ever Read

http://www.messagetoeagle.com/cassaroswastika.php#.VZ9XD_nMgys

Discuss.

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Irish military 1500-1642

I need information on the Irish military from 1500 until the English Civil War.

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/his/toric metal working

I'm a blacksmith and I also do a small amount of copper and bronze work, all of it done using a variety of traditional techniques. From hinges to axe heads to pot racks I can do it all. If any of you have any questions I'd be more than happy to answer them.

Also, does anyone have any examples of baltic or finnish ironwork? I can only find modern examples.

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quick

I find it surprising the British military didn't utilize any body armor when attacking the Zulu kingdom. I mean, the enemy was fighting with spears, antiquated weapons which could have been defeated easily with the implementation of antiquated counter-measures.

Do you think casualties could have been lower had the British fielded medieval style plate armor, and do you know why the British military had decided to go without such armor?

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I got into a discussion about how the winners write history with a coworker and the line "nothing is true, everything is permitted" popped into my head. That and the Assassin's Creed franchise aside, what parts of history have been either changed or left out entirely? What do we know is inaccurate or question, at least, the accuracy of various parts of history?

sorry if this is too broad of a question

Other thread:

>>>/v/4151369

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It's easy to find statistics on battlefield casualties in the gunpowder era, and the average ammunition expended per shot. Some historians have even been able to approximate the number of casualties which could be expected to be inflicted per volley at any given range. We know that in any given battle in the gunpowder era, somewhere between 1/2% and 5% of the balls fire would take effect, and 40-60% of the cannonballs.

This is a stretch, but, does anybody have any clue, however tenuous, what the number of arrows needed to inflict a casualty might have been? Even if you can figure out the number of arrows which were shot at the battle, we can find some minimum figure by taking the total casualties.

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>Battles Rome faught generally consisted of a few hundred thousand soldiers

>ww2 had millions of soldiers from both sides deployed on each side

when did everything go so big?

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you guys heard of In Our Time? It's a pretty good BBC Radio 4 program, it's been going for years and tons of topics are covered. The ones I've seen have been good, but the Lenin one really was quite biased in a "Lenin was an evil dictator" sort of way

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German Aristocracy Following the End of the Medieval Period

Short question, no doubt complicated answer: what was the average household of your standard German noble like during the 16th century?

Since I'd imagine it would vary depending on rank or geography, we'll consider freiherr (baron) or graf (count) to be average, and well assume our little household is located in the center of Germany, then the Holy Roman Empire.

Would they have spices? Maids or servants? How many people would they have in their charge? What sort of wealth would they possess?

I've tried google already. I've realized its great for assignments because it's not often a professor asks for specific information, but whenever I want to use it for personal inquiries in my leisure time, I'm always looking for something extremely specific, like a firmer defintion for a very specific kind of celtic spirit, or psychological case studies of mercenaries.

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>You will never beat up on minorities and commies with your impeccably dressed, handsome overly gelled haired buddies.

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Debt

I got curious, are there any countries that defaulted on its loans, either external/internal debt, or both, in previous years??

How did the other powers/great powers at that time handle the default?

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Has anyone read a good account of the downfall of science in the Islamic world? I'm hungry for a nice meaty analysis of it, more than just "Mongols, also Ghazali".

And to contribute, I'll briefly mention what I'm reading, "Meccan Trade and the Rise of Islam". The thesis is that Mecca was pisspoor nowheresville before Islam, was nothing like the wealthy and important center of trade it is often portrayed as having been, and that the early events of Islam might not have even happened there. Extensive fucking footnotes (probably half the book) lend an aura of credibility, though you will stop reading all of them halfway through.

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Did Tokugawa's isolationist policy kill technological progress in Japan? Should Tokugawa have followed what Oda Nobunaga was doing with allowing Europeans and Christians to come to Japan? In fact, would an Oda Shogunate have been better than a Tokugawa Shogunate?

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Hey, /his/. Sorry if this isn't the best place to ask for this, but could anyone recommend some good ethnographies on any of the indigenous peoples of Australia? I know next to nothing about them. Anything about their interactions with Europeans and the history of how they fared under colonialism would be appreciated, too, but ethnographies are the main thing I'm looking for.

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Can a person with no formal training in history get a paper published if it is well-researched and well-written?

After two years of research I'm about ready to write my thesis, but if it has a chance of being published it's going to be written differently than if its going to be posted to my blog.

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this guy is so biased it hurts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b05yxzlj/napoleon-episode-1

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What does /his/ think about Dan Carlin?
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>Egypt

>Greece

>Iran

>China

>India

How come countries with very long and rich histories are all so shit today?

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How was middle eastern including india warfare between the 17th and 19th centuries?

For me there's a huge hole of knowledge between the middle ages and the 20th century, for me i mean, i know next to nothing about the area at that time.

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You guys ever find really weird shit when you're doing your research? I was browsing EEBO today and found a poem written in 1582 about… Batman.

Batman vppon Bartholome

CONSERVA ME DOMINE

THe Bat vnknowne, yet this his natiue soyle,

And beares, that Parentes had, by Martiall prowesse toyle,

From Swoll as may appeare, of Germane race in deede,

By Emprour Charels he, that gaue each one his meede.

The Moone increasing showes, that Iustice (aye) must grow

And AEgles winges, of white, and red, the Lawes to vse below,

The mecke and milde to guide, the wicked to displaie,

As heretofore (when vertue shall) restore that did decaie,

The Starres, triangled set, declares not one, but all,

Should know their Prince, their Land, their Frend, least ouer soone they fall.

The Shield of glittering Gold, reportes a Gift of Grace,

And Starres aboue the Moone, foretells some noble race:

So borne in one Field, as the Athuauncer will

By light of light, (euen God aboue) whose powre continueth still.

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Hey /his/,

I'm curious how modern/near modern commanders actually manage campaigns and direct battles. Could you recommend any good reads?

Preferably first hand accounts/descriptions of their own actions during a conflict, but all suggestions are welcome.

Pic somewhat related

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The Noughties/2000 - 2009

Lets have a talk about the Milenium and how it affected our current decade and the prospects of the 90's.

Overall was the Noughties a great decade or a relatively shit one? Do you agree with some people calling it the worst decade ?

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The Mongols were in every way superior to the Romans.

They conquered a territory that was almost 10 times larger than the Roman Empire, in less than a century.
They developed trade between Europe and Asia, giving birth to the silk road.

>Nobody ever conquered Russia in winter

The Mongols did.

>Nobody ever came back from sending troops in China

The Mongols did.

>Nobody ever managed to hold a multiconfessionnal multicultural empire

The Mongol did, while having more religious and cultural differences than any country at any time.

>Nobody ever managed to integrate large groups of conquered populations in their army in a short amount of time

The Mongols did easily. Even the Franks!

>Hurr durr, Mongol Empire didn't last

It did for more than a century, and led to countries that were more administratively and militarily efficient that the country that were formerly conquered there:
- The Timurids who led to the Moghol Empire
- The Golden Horde who subjugated the Russians for centuries
- The Ming dynasty who were the most powerful chinese dynasty before the Qing
- Stronger Mongol tribes who managed to last until the end of the 19th century.

TL;DR: Mongol Empire > Roman Empire
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Thoughts on Cardinal Richelieu, /his/? Just learned about this guy recently while looking into Realpolitik. Seems like a pretty interesting character.

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Hey /his/, after spending a year in Italy, I'm finally back in the United States, and I figure I might share a little some photos from my travels now that I'm finally somewhere with decent internet.

I'll start off with some pictures from Pompeii, sadly I couldn't find much of that explicit graffiti that I read all about on here.

Here's one of the amphitheaters of Pompeii.

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Military weapons that gives you an erection

Military weapons that gives you an erection

I'll start

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Historical Movies on Pre-Russian Empire principalities

What are some great movies about pre-Russian empire principalities around the location? E.g. Muscovy/Novgorod wars, Muscovy-Mongol battles, etc. I have already seen Alexander Nevsky by Eisenstein and have trouble finding more historical films involving that time-period and location approximately.

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Group archery in war

How did it differ from region to region?

I know the English longbowmen (and other archers of the region) were trained to fire as a unit at a massed target but what about other places?

Were the Chinese/Japanese/other easterners the same way? Did they independently develop the same/a similar method of archery (IIRC, the japs had mass fire pretty much exactly like yuropians)?

African archery?

Don't know shit about it.

Lastly Native Muricans

I seem to remember reading somewhere that native archers were mostly trained for individual accuracy, rather than firing at a blob of enemies. Is this correct? If so, was this a good thing or a bad thing when it came to dealing with the organized rank fire of the Europeans?

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Historical nations/civs that would make for good tabletop settings?

Basically in the title. A friend of mine said to me "I'm planning on doing a historical campaign- what's a civilization that's both unique and underrated?"

I have trouble of thinking of anything, really. My knowledge of history is wide in breadth but not super deep in any area, so I'm not keenly aware of the less known cultures. I think he wants to do something that hasn't been done to death already. Would anybody have any recommendations?

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Pssst, hey, /his/.

Wanna invade Japan?
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This looks like a really boring burn-humans-alive event.

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Any horsefuckers interested in history here? Or is this thread empty of them

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Assyria/ISIS thread

ISIS gives a /his/tory lesson:
the Assyrian Empire. The video takes place in the museum of Mosul (aka Nineveh), which used to be the capital of the Assyrian Empire (which is believed to have been the first Empire in history).
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>looking at lists of most famous walls in the world

>theodosian walls aren't mentioned once

>some wall from fucking zimbabwe is mentioned every time

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It's Happening

>gorillas of the pissed destroying statues of Jefferson Davis and who knows what else.

Nevermind the fact that he banged one of his slave, is believed to have fostered children children with her and, if I remember correctly, set her free. He was a terrible person.

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Vintage pics

random dump

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Arthur Schopenhaur

Was this man the last philosopher in history?

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North vs Middle/South American natives

I've recently taken an interest to studying injuns, and I've been wondering something.

Why is it that Northern tribes (such as the Iroquois, Algonquin Seminoles, Nootka, Cree, Cherokee, etc.) never developed civilizations/cities like their more southern cousins?

I'm not saying all southern tribes were big city/civ builders, but there were more than none

Inuits and all that I understand, big city life doesn't really fit with their environment. Same thing with the plains nations, IIRC farming wasn't that great in that area and the buffalo were the best source of food, so a nomadic lifestyle was pretty much necessary.

But I know the Algonquin/Iroquois at least had a pretty sedentary way of life, so what was stopping them from making dope cities like the Aztec, Maya, and Inca? They had the resources didn't they?

So what stopped them then?

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Kebababia

Sup fellow /his/torians, I don't see recent kebababia mentioned often. I've been doing some reading recently on the Iraq war and the Iran-Iraq war, and Israel and Saudi Arabia and all that fun stuff and have reckoned that the middle east, at least in this day and age is a silly place.

So let's discuss the middle east from the formation of Israel to the Fall of Baghdad. Lot's of interesting bits in there from the Treaty of Damascus, Saddam Hussein, the Islamic Revolution, Ahmadinejad and more. I normally prefer classical history or Medieval history but all the wars and little politics in the Mid East is retarded.

So to kick things off, why does everyone hate Iran so much? I'm talking 1979 Iran-Iraq war, Iraq was not only getting shitkicked by the most dysfunctional country on the planet after launching a surprise attack, it was also getting ridiculous amounts of foreign aid from the Soviets and Allies.

So /his/ do you agree the Mid East is a silly place? What's the most ridiculous thing you have to say about the Mid East in that time period?

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I'm visiting Iran in a month and I've done most of my preparations. One last thing I want is to ask you /his/tory about directions. I have time and I need to crunch the whole history of the nation for a better experience while visiting.

I've just finished reading Starr's Lost Enlightenment. What books or sites, maybe even documentaries do you suggest?

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Battle of Tours

What if Martel was unable to stop the Arab invasion? How much would it have mattered?

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Flag thread

Historical flags.

So I have a folder with a ton of early American and Confederate flags. I figure I will dump them here.

Enjoy.
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Cause of Civil War

Okay, so I believe the Civil War was not over slavery, at least not in the way that modern liberals like to portray it as. Here's my argument.

The south had, for a long time, been opposed to and been exploited by tariffs, and this was at a time when the federal government's revenue primarily relied upon tariffs. The southern economy had an extremely weak industrial base, so if they wanted to sell their cotton they couldn't do it locally, not generally.

The north, on the other hand, had a strong industrial base, and the majority of the tax dollars were spent there (bridges, roads, whatever).

When a southern farmer wanted to sell his cotton, he had to pay money to the government which would primarily be spent in the north. Putting a tariff made industrial goods from Europe more expensive to southerners, basically this allowed the north to do a shittier job of providing industrial goods; put simply this was protectionism, which protected the north from European competitors at the expense of the south.

Obviously, this was a shitty deal for the south. Around 1860, the only barrier to the more populous north raising tariffs could be one of two things

-Democrats having 50% of the seats in the Senate

-Democrats having the oval office

If the Democrats had neither of those, there was no barrier to the northern politicians exploiting the south further beyond compassion… By the way, the north raised tariffs as soon as the civil war ended, surprise!

When the south lost their 50% in the Senate AND a Republican president got into office there was no way for them to prevent a hike in tariffs. President Lincoln promised in his inaugural address not to interfere with existing slavery, so there was not going to be a compelling threat to the existence of slavery for at least another 4 years, probably 8. The immediate crisis for the south was tariffs.

-The south could see that the north was going to go after slavery eventually, but there was no immediate threat to it

-Southern states' interest could be 100% ignored in Congress due to their loss of their half in the Senate (on top of having lost the House and presidential election).

-Lincoln did not even make the emancipation proclamation until about 2.5 years into the war

-Many southern states listed tariffs as a major cause for their secession

Alternate history timeline:

-The federal government bought and freed all slaves for their retail value in 1840

Is it still possible for there to be a civil war?

FUCK YES. All that's required is that southern states get pissed off about tariffs and having 0 effective sway in Congress. Boom, secession. Slavery was neither necessary nor sufficient for a US civil war.

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Hey /his/. So I was born to a modern Assyrian family from Northwestern Iran, specifically Urmia. I don't know much history and I only lurk /his/ ever once in a while, so I thought you might know more about it. How accurate is the claim by modern Assyrians/Chaldeans/Syriacs that they are a unique race almost purely descended from ancient Assyrians, Babylonians, and Sumerians? Sure, our language (all of the collective dialects called Neo-Aramaic) is unique and is more similar than Hebrew or Arabic to ancient Aramaic, and even older Akkadian. Additionally, our religion (Christianity, mainly Orthodoxy) has remained unique, and has also lead to persecution by Arabs and other Muslims. This has caused many Assyrians to go into hiding after the 7th Century, remaining isolated from most of the now-Arab world until Western powers took control of the region. However, the modern Assyrian "identity" wasn't known until the 19th century when British archeologists began discovering ancient artifacts in Mesopotamia.

Unfortunately there is a lot of hearsay and pseudo-evidence to support this claim, so do any of you know if modern Assyrians are really a unique genetic group that are descendent from Ancient Mesopotamians? Or are they just a collection of Arabs, Persians, Jews, Turks, etc. who are deluded, because they happen to speak different dialects of an ancient language which was already widespread at one point.

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nationalism and patriotism as constructs

Ok so I just posted this in /lit/ for someone who wanted to stop feeling moved by 'Rule Britannia'.

Going to copy-paste it here. So, anyone else in here into the history of nationalism, patriotism, or familiar with the scholars or scholarship I am talking about?

And yes I will use my initials in all my posts here and idgaf if it goes against the spirit of anon fuk u .

"Ah, I can help you anon.

You need to realise there's a whole body of scholarship dedicated to exploring nationalism and patriotism AS constructs. Once you know how they're constructed, you won't fall into them as easily.

So, the key work was by Benedict Anderson, who wrote a couple decades ago 'Imagined Communities'. His work is famous among historians and scholars dedicated to nationalism/patriotism etc.

Read that, then read the works that followed his opening of this whole new genre- no serious scholar would ever argue nationalism and patriotism are NOT constructed.

Oh, for Englishness specifically- check out [after you've read Anderson] Mandler's 'English National Character'/ a long but rewarding and FASCINATING read.

You will then realise WHY you were moved by 'Rule Britannia' and the centuries of character-making behind your emotions.

/lit/ is a bunch of plebes just like /pol/ tbh- it's good I came across this thread. : )"

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200th Anniversary of Waterloo

So /his/ how could have Napoleon won the Battle of Waterloo?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/battle-of-waterloo/11676475/The-Battle-of-Waterloo-as-it-happened-on-June-18-1815.html

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did they have multiplex in the middle ages?

i was just screwing around with my axe, and i found it rather easy making a hole in a board of thick multiplex,and i realised that this stuff is stronger than most wood because of it's structure, so when multiplex was easy to break, how did they make sustainable shields?

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So, I created a Steam Group for /his/

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/hissteam

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So /his/, were the Carthaginians Indo-European? Were they blue eyed? It's something I wonder. Cheers if you can inform me.

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SONS OF ROME

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Mansa Musa

So what's the deal with this guy? How did he get so rich?

inb4 he stole it all

Also anyone know any good reading about the West African empires of the middle ages?

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Weapons,Armors and Combat

>He doesnt throw his pommel vigorously to end his foes rightly

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Is he right /his/?

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frisian history?

i was playing the new viking dlc for warband and i realised that i knew jack shit about frisian history, could someone enlighten me? biggest source of info was >pic related, does anyone know anything about redbâd and aldgilli?

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/his/ Colour History Megathread

Post cool stuff! Pictured is Theodore Roosevelt in his office, 1900.
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NEVER AGAIN

RIP 40's-70's Americana
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>tfw feudal borders trigger your autism

Why do people have to have land on the other side of the kingdom

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Most important/influential person in the 20th century?

Pic related: Gavrilo Princip, the guy who killed Archduke Ferdinand

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Prussia thread?

I've always liked Prussia and want to learn more about it. Any decent books or documentaries? Frederick the Great and the Enigma of Prussia was a good documentary on BBC which initially spurred my interest.

I'm especially keen on seeing photographs from Eastern Prussia, they don't seem to be very easy to find.

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Someone on another board said that America liked communism and the reason for this is that they didn't destroy Russia right after ww2.

Is there any truth to what he is saying or is he a faggot?

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Was there any city that rose at the same time as Rome declined?

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let's write a game of thrones of a historical event

I was wondering if any litfags here wanted to romanticize some historical events as a community project.

We could do it here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11-oelA5lY5lrTm4HLY652S4-hzGz9Oagz8C5BOD-LTg/edit?usp=sharing

Some things we could cover:

>100 years war

>war of the roses

>Vespasian and the Flavius dynasty in Rome, sort of like the lannisters

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…which was great unless you were a slave, or a woman.

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Intriguing History Hopeful

Hey /his/, thought id share a story today. I work at a non profit organization that helps highschoolers prepare for university life. We cover everything from application essays and personal finances to dress etiquettes and social problems. This one kid thats going to 12th this august and I spoke for about two hours yesterday about his life plan and its gotten me thinking; He said that he wants to go deep into History at uni, and that he feels that the study of history has stagnated into meaningless dates and events for people to spit out at an exam and forget about it and and endless cycle of history major-to-history professor academic life. He said that he wants to try to bring History into the same light as say, engineering and international relations, things that have a lot of hold in today's world. He feels that a lot of the people that run things mess things up because they dont have the proper context (he explained to me about how the current Middle East debacle traces its roots to the end of WWI). He also thinks that History can be a highly useful tool in most scientific areas as well as the international scene, in which history can bring in background, depth, and understanding to complex global problems. He also thinks that its time to revamp the current educational system into a more interactive medium and wishes to make a historical videogame based around the expansion of the pre-columbian incas. Although he says its only a pet project and not his main focus.

What do you guys think about his line of thought? I share this here because ive seen a lot of good discussions and i dont know jack about history. I really want to help this kid out into getting to the university of his choosing as well as helping him develop his ideas. Any thoughts on this?

As they say; pic not related

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What was the significance of Polonius' name in the play Hamlet? It derives from Poland but what does the comparison say about his character? As the play is set in the early 1600s in Denmark, how strong was Poland at the time and what was it's diplomatic relation like with Denmark at the time?

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What were some atrocities/war crimes committed by Alexander the Great's army?

I know of one city, can't remember the name, after it was taken the entire garrison was crucified and all the women and children sold into slavery. They were Phoenicians I think.

Was rape common as well? I would assume it was but there's no way to know really as it was so long ago.

Also how would you guys compare atrocities/war crimes back then by the Greek/Roman/Macedonian armies to armies in more recent conflicts like WW2?

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When I see some dumb shit on tumblr about "white people not knowing how to bathe, and africans teaching them" how can I post with proof that that's all bullshit? Seriously, African Nationalists (among White Nationalists in my opinion) are the fucking worst, but worse in a way where they cry "MUH RACISM" when criticized.

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>Europeans never practiced concubinage

>Europeans never practiced sex slavery

>Europeans never practiced female genital mutilation

>Europeans never made women cover up

>Europeans never stoned women to death for adultery

While women in Asian, African and Middle Eastern countries today are having their clits removed at birth, getting acid thrown in their faces and are forced to wear giant sheets over their bodies, European women hundreds of years ago were leading armies into battle.

So I ask you /his. Why can't non Europeans into treating the torch bearers of their respective races with basic respect and dignity?

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Documentary General

ITT history documentaries

ACCURATE ONES

I'm fucking tired of watching history channel shit and them pulling incorrect numbers out of their ass or giving soldiers uniforms that are 500 years out of date. I'm even more tired of stupid shit about bigfoot/Illuminati/aliens/ice road inbreds/etc. Any subject or era is fine, but please be accurate.

Challenge Mode:

Mature ones, not those stupid amerifat ones with ADHD rapid-fire editing and melodramatic narrators who try to talk badass. There's no shame in educational TV having educational value

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OOOOOOOOLIVER CROMWELL, LORD PROTECTOR OF ENGLAND

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What exactly made the caucasian. European settlers superior to the American natives in combat and diplomacy?

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Western General

ITT: we post our most favorite outlaw and gunman of the wild west

The time period I consider for the wild west is from the 1820-1920 or generally the time span the U.S. was trying to expand westward.

anyways, Captain Jonathan R. Davis was the epitome of badass. here's the story

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/captaindavis.html

Who's your favorite /his/?

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>Most people view Stilicho as a coward who let greed and intrigue devour Rome

How can he be held responsible for constantine III rebellion in Britain? If anything, the greed of Rome collapsed the empire under its own weight.

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So I was thinking about the Marathon and its origins, with the legend of Phidippedes. I was just wondering:

>Was his feat anything special in Ancient Greece?

I say this because fitness was a major part of Greece life (I believe) so would anyone have been able to do this?

>Is the distance accurate?

Has the distance been exaggerated over the centuries, or are our Marathons simply shorter than the distance he ran?

>Do we know anything more of Phidippides?

Was he a veteran soldier, or merely a runner?

>How celebrated was his feat?

Was his feat regarded as highly as it is now? Or was his feat appreciated centuries later?

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Art and shit

Let's talk about some non war history stuff.

Do you have any particular favorite people?

I for one, find the harappas very intriguing, and am waiting to see how they developed in comparison to other countries, when they mostly traded with Egypt[citation needed]

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Well, we have a historical humor thread, so why not a horror one? Post your spookiest stuff.

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Xianzhong

>thought he was a scourge sent by God to punish the evil people of Sichuan

>registered population of Sichuan went from 3 million to 16 thousand

>Heaven brings forth innumerable things to nurture man.

>Man has nothing good with which to recompense Heaven.

>Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill. Kill.

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Disdain for plebs?

>battle of agrincourt had no peasant vanguard because aristocrats did not want to arm them

What even caused this sort of mindset, and why were such handling skills forgotten by the french revolution?

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So I just got set an assignment:

>Why, after two thousand years and the Holocaust, did the Jewish population want their homeland to be Israel?

So I was thinking of writing about the Jewish-Roman Wars but I don't know too much about it to be honest, if anyone could help with that, that would be brilliant.

I was also going to write about how it is generally sacred to them so it would be an ideal choice.

As well as this I'm going to write about the years of persecution because many were seen as crooks, such as the eradication of Jews in Scotland (I believe they locked them in a wooden castle and set it alight) and the Black Hundreds in Russia.

Finally because it was really fucking far away from Germany.

Any other things to point out? Perhaps the Americans made Israel their homeland so they wouldn't come to the U.S.? Any other external factors? Any thing I haven't got right?

Cheers anons

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I heard this picture wasn't of a German soldier killing a Ukrainian Jew, anyone know of the evidence behind this?

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Name a real-life pre-1500 empire that can conquer all of Westeros.

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more to life than acquiring clay?

Is our entire psych balanced around eating smaller fish, evading bigger fish, and procreating? Does this channel itself into nations which move violently across the land and attack nations for sheer resources and land?

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Hi /his/. Which is the best way to teach high middle ages thematically to high school students?

I'm looking to link their day to day lives and the general world that surrounds them when giving lessons, but I want to do that thematically (lessons separated by topics like economy, education, health, violence, etc). My main problem right now is finding suitable material to work with them (their parents tend to get buttmad if their notebooks are empty).

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What's "good" or "evil" in history for you

Have you ever taken a side when discussing history with other people? Or are you just neutral?

>inb4 hitler did nothing wrong

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Historical Memes

ITT: We post memes from throughout history. Pic related, it's grafiti thought to be the first political cartoon ever, by the Roman Peregrinus.
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The idea of intellectual ownership and innovation

Dunno whether I would get better results for this question here or in philosophy, since this certainly will touch the works of some philosophers and other thinkers of the enlightenment period.

My doubt is:

1- when, where and how exactly did the idea of ownership of ideas arose?

2- when, where and how exaclty did the legal concept of patents arose?

3- When, where and how exactly did the concept of innovation, as we hear from economists and business schools today, arose?

For the last question, I have the impression this was mostly an answer from liberalism/libertarianism to the emergence of of marxism. Earlier concepts of liberalism back in the times of Locke, Adam Smith and Hume didn't seem to take into consideration the necessity or existence of an individual freedom for the sake of creating your own innovative businesses. The wealth of nations isn't famous for talking about how innovation is important for a capitalist economy.

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Monarchy Discussion

>>>/monarchy/

I figure those with an interest in history would like discussing monarchy as well. Get in here /his/

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What nation and period had the most valiant duels?

pictured

>Flos Duellatorum

>holmgang

>the early wild west

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In which moment you can say that the Middle Ages ended?
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Seleucid Thread

Did these fucking retards do anything right? They even pissed the Jews off enough that they created Hanukkah.

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Free Educational Resources

Hey /his/, come check out >>>/freedu/ for free educational resources. Post pdfs, links etc. to any free material and resources, and make requests as you like.

Much appreciated!

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Kennedy thread.

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ITT: Favorite historical quotes

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Do you guys know of any good books on early American history and the American Civil War?

Also, general American history thread I guess.

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PICK A SIDE

Let's play a game, /his/.

Pick the side you would choose for a variety of civil wars. I'll start with the civil wars from Plantagenet-era England.

The Anarchy: Matilda/Henry FitzEmpress

The Great Revolt (1173-1174): Rebels/Henry the Young King

Conflict in Aquitaine (Aquitainian nobles trying to oust Duke Richard and place the Young King as the heir to all Plantagenet realms): Henry the Young King

First Barons' War: loyalists (William Marshal rekt baguettes)

Second Barons' War: loyalists (Prince Edward based as fuck)

Despenser War (rebellion against Edward II): rebels

Hundred-Years War: Burgundians/English

I think there's a few I'm forgetting but that's the general gist of it.

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Ancestry Rating

GET IN HERE FAGGOTS

Ancestry rating thread.

How does your ancestry hold up to the rest?

Tartar and Hungarian, what is the ancestry of the /his/torian?
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Most influential man in history

Has any individual man influenced history more than this man?

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Where did it all go wrong /his/?
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Proto-Indo-European Texts

Hi, I'm interested in reading more about the early Indo-Europeans. Unfortunately the topic seems to still be one of contention among scholars with competing theories. Not to mention how the issue can be fraught with "muh Aryan master race" bullshit. Can /his/ recommend some fair texts for laymen?
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/his/ okay war movies

post war movies we don't necessarily think are amazing but love and enjoy

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ISIS captures Palmyra

https://archive.is/FfEXd

Well shit, you know what that means

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Would History like to play RISK?

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the anonymous soldier

Does anybody else wish there was more romanticization of the anonymous soldier? Older societies don't seem to have much fortune sneaking away with praising all soldiers, including the enemy.

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ITT: Underrated historical events
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Hi /his, do you have any books/sources on the Visigothic Kingdom? I'm pretty tired to hear the "muh oppresshun" meme about their government, while sometimes i hear they had developed a pretty florid culture.

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Your Favorite Historical Figures

Let's discuss your personal favorite figures from history. Now, there are several possible ways of determining who you think is the "best", so let's narrow it down to a few different questions:

>Who do you consider to be the most "perfect" ruler from history, someone who other rulers should try to emulate? Why?

>Which historical figure, who was NOT a ruler, do you think had the highest morals or the most accurate outlook on life? (ie. authors, philosophers, activists, artists, etc)

>Which historical figure do you relate to the most on a personal level? Why?

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Please try and name anyone better than the Romans.

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>tfw Library of Alexandria

What was in it?

What history was forever lost that we will never know of?

Are Livy, Virgil etc just 2% of what was actually a massive literary canon?

Is the destruction of this Library and the knowledge of everything that came before it what lead to antiquity's demise?

>At its height, the library was said to possess nearly half a million scrolls, and, although historians debate the precise number, the highest estimates claim 400,000 scrolls while the most conservative estimates are as low as 40,000, which is still an enormous collection that required vast storage space.

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1n7

>satan loves and satan hates, could you oppose the pearly gates? ?

http://youtu.be/HFP6iDHdvhI

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/sp/ get

The Wade-Davis Bill of 1864 was a bill proposed for the Reconstruction of the South written by two Radical Republicans, Senator Benjamin Wade of Ohio and Representative Henry Winter Davis of Maryland. In contrast to President Abraham Lincoln's more lenient Ten Percent Plan, the bill made re-admittance to the Union for former Confederate states contingent on a majority in each Southern state to take the Ironclad oath to the effect they had never in the past supported the Confederacy. The bill passed both houses of Congress on July 2, 1864, but was pocket vetoed by Lincoln and never took effect. The Radical Republicans were outraged that Lincoln did not sign the bill. Lincoln wanted to mend the Union by carrying out the Ten percent plan. He believed it would be too difficult to repair all of the ties within the Union if the Wade–Davis bill passed.

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Namus

>learn about namus in Islam

>namus = family honor

>family honor = men control women

>it's lost when women get raped

>it's restored when women are killed for being raped

>it's not lost when men get raped

>mfw

How the fuck is this acceptable?

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2059 years ago today Caesar DIDN'T beware the ides of march.
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Lets have an Industrial Era Thread.

Easily the best time in history.

What I'm looking for:

Various Industrial Revolution Documentaries

Information about various countries during the industrial revolution (especially Prussia/Germany)

Anything Industrial Era.

Lets do this.

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Good Books on the Habsburgs?

I'm particularly interested on the Austro-Hungarian Empire but I feel like a background on them would be the best thing to start with, though if I had to be specific post War of Spanish Succession would be best.

Pic sorta related

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networking

more people would lurk here should they learn about it

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How many genuine ethnic Persians do still exist in Iran,Afghanistan and Tajikistan today? Most of them seem to be mixed with other peoples.
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Propaganda thread

In this thread, post interesting/funny propaganda.

I will start by dumping a few. This one is poster by the French communist party, post WW2.

"No ! France will not become a colonized country !

Americans in America !"

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Hellstorm

prepare your feels

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Did anyone else history LARP as a young kid? I'm not talking about SCA type stuff, but just pretending to be famous kings and going out and "conquering" places.

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Adventurer Brigate

Hey /his/. I know that in the past there were adenturers belonging to the dying caste of aristocrats in Europe, who went abroad searching for adventure in the form of fighting in distant wars. The practice died out eventually during the late 19th and early 20th century thanks to counties implementing laws against soldiers of fortunes, and the world wars. However, i think that the fight against the IS can be our era's Adventurer War. Is there any way one can go and form a foreign brigade or something? Just curious since Iraq and Syria seem to be able to do jack shit against them (Palmyra was LOST after a siege of only 7 DAYS, Assad wont be able to fucking save that shit in time)

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The year is 1927. Trotsky has been removed from the Communist Party and has been sentenced to exile. On his way out of Petrograd his vehicle, and escorts are attacked. He is removed from the car to find a group of Red Army officers. They claim to be loyal to Trotsky and want to dissolve the Communist Party, to be rebuilt by Trotsky himself.

What would Trotsky do?

If Trotsky were to agree, would the Five Year Plans have been put in place? The purges also?

>inb4 Trotsky did not want sole rule

He wouldn't have sole rule, he would just remove threats from power, such as Stalin.

>inb4 Trotsky would have agreed to be exiled

Trotsky had already tried to gain party support before his exile so he was now desperate.

>inb4 Trotsky was a Jew, he wouldn't want to be the leader of the Communist Party because of his image

Desperate times called for desperate measures

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Hello, I created an Humanities and Social Sciences board. I will be uploading books, articles, podcast and historic material for anyone that's interested in the historic discipline. If you want to share more material and discuss different subjects, you're invited and encouraged to do it. If you're interesed in history and other disciplines, you're invited to share anything you want, the more information and perspectives we have, the deeper our thought can be.

>>>/histories/

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Should I kill myself for loving this movie?

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Byzantium name

Hey /his/ do you guys prefer "Byzantium" or "The Eastern Roman Empire" personally I think the latter sounds better but everyone seems to love Byzantium.

Side question, where did the name "Byzantium" come from?

>inb4 school

>inb4 homework
Graduated 3 years ago
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Stop scrolling

you now have ten seconds to equate all of life to the rise and downfall of Mesopotamia

go!

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Lets say a machine is invented that allows for instant revivals and or wound repairs. A new sport of modern rifle combat that is 15 v 15 comes to exist, and most people play it.

Lets say that some hippies chise to do 1v1 1450 combat instead, and they developed a ruleset:you can either get a full plate with a weapon and buckler, or a chainmail with a shield and two weapons. Which woukd you choose, and what armory woukd you bring?

Id probably choose platemail and bring a claymore, or a large sword with some weight on the hilt so you can hammer them with the hilt or buckler if they are a full plate

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Where are my Kaiser fags at? Also, please post anything related. I'm trying to build my folder. Also, This is a Imperial Germany appreciation thread.
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Ancient Recitations

sargon of akkad has a channel that he reads ancient texts on just dropped by just to see if /his/ was interested

pls no bully

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>kebabs

Now im hating muslims and jews even more
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I'm planning on writing a story on the Kronstadt Sailors from 1917 to 1921, has anyone got any sources or speculation on what military campaigns and battles they had partook in?

I know they would have fought the Whites who were advancing towards Petrograd but I don't really know much else, to be honest.

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>you will never live in the Victorian era

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Friendly reminder that my business includes not only horses, but camels and goats as well

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Friendly reminder that duchamp is a faggot and ruined art.

>Art shouldn't be about skill but about expression!

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The Great War

What's /his/' thoughts on this series?
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So /his/ I'm come to a conclusion

That battles are indeed won by the mind because most if not almost all battles fought have been won by breaking the enemies morale, not actually killing them to the last man.
>inb4 sacred band of thebes
Also, what's your favourite battle /his/?
>inb4 emu wars
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Think of your ethnic heritage.

Now post a historic warrior or general you associate most with your ethnicity.

"Tran Hung Dao, original name Tran Quoc Tuan, also called Hung Dao Vuong (born 1229?—died 1300, Van Kiep, Vietnam), figure of almost legendary proportions in Vietnamese history, a brilliant military strategist who defeated two Mongol invasions and became a cultural hero among modern Vietnamese."

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/602242/Tran-Hung-Dao

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Would capitalism be viewed as ideological if the axis won in ww2?

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Karl Marx saved the Union?

>TIL Marx played an important role in the Union winning the Civil War.

At least according to a Russian friend of mine, who has a Soviet book from 1976 (in Russian) on American history. According to the book Karl Marx led the workers of Lancashire and of Britain in general to reject Confederate imports, and the political activity of the British Marxists and allied radical groups successfully prevented Britain from intervening to crush the Union.

According to the Soviet book, this was tantamount to Karl Marx playing an indispensable role in the victory of the Union over the Confederacy. The book also quotes Lincoln praising the British workers led by Marx and of Marx writing a letter to Lincoln praising his re-election, which the book claims Marxists helped ensure.

Conclusion of the book on this subject: "It is not surprising, therefore, that the leader of the international communist and workers' movements should have exercised a world-historical influence in fields as deep as international diplomacy and military strategy. Indeed, Marx and Engels together predicted with brilliant accuracy the course of the Civil War and once more displayed their genius for historical methodology. Their radiant activities during this period showed once again their worldwide influence."

So far I'm trying to find proof of all this. This is what I've found:

Exhibit #1: A biography of one of the first American Marxists, a Colonel in the Union Army: https://archive.org/details/JosephWeydemeyerPioneerOfAmericanSocialism

Exhibit #2, 1952 History of the Communist Party USA, Chapter Three: http://williamzfoster.blogspot.com/2013/01/chapter-three-marxists-in-struggle.html

(quoting excerpts, whole chapter is interesting)

>Hence, from the very beginning, the Marxists raised the decisive slogans of emancipation of the slaves, arming of the freedmen, confiscation of the planters' estates, and distribution of the land among the landless Negro and white masses. They understood, too, the Marxist policy of co-operation with the bourgeoisie when it was fighting for progressive ends. During the war they tended to strengthen the position of the working class and its Negro and farmer allies and practically, if not consciously, to lake them the leading force in the war coalition. They fought against pacifism and against Copperhead influences within and without labor's ranks. A major service of the Marxists was in helping to defeat the aspirations of Fremont to get the Republican nomination away from Lincoln in l864. Marx urged the working class to make the outcome of the Civil War count in the long run for the workers as much as the outcome of the War for Independence had counted for the bourgeoisie. This, however, the weak forces of the workers were unable to do. Nevertheless, their relative clarity of political line and their tireless spirit made the Marxists a political force far out of proportion to their still very small numbers.

>During the Civil War Karl Marx himself played a vitally important part, his genius displaying great brilliance. Marx's many writings in the New York Daily Tribune and elsewhere constituted an outstanding demonstration of the power of revolutionary theory in interpreting developments, in seeing their inherent connections, and in understanding the direction in which the classes were moving. From the inception of the conflict and through every one of its crucial stages, Karl Marx, incomparably deeper than any other person, grasped the basic significance of events and projected the necessary line of policy and action.

See also: https://archive.org/details/MarxandEngelsontheUnitedStates

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Vietnam Thread

This upcoming April 30th is the 40th anniversary of the Fall of Saigon.

April 30th is Reunification/Liberation Day in Vietnam. A day of celebration for most Vietnamese living within Vietnam.

In terms of Viet Kieu, or Overseas Vietnamese it is a day of reflection. For them it is called Black April or National Day of Shame.

So Vietnam thread. Doesn't gotta be about Vietnam's conflicts with the West in the 20th century either. Ancient history or recent developments are welcome too.

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>got the opportunity to present a lesson on Rome

>chose the period between 100-40 B.C., Marian reforms, Sulla's civil war, Caesar, etc.

>get to make my own quiz too

>I'm such a lazy piece of shit I don't even do it

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ITT: Gods and Goddesses

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Hey /his/, ive been reading up on the history of the founding of Argentina and i cant make sense of the whole damn thing. First it was a confederation then a federations then a loose union then it was engulfed in 60 years of civil war i mean what the fuck.

>pic related

Any help?

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/his/ comics, shows and manga recommendation thread!

When you recommend something, post a decent download link as well, if you can.

Sangokushi
https://www.mediafire.com/sangokushi
An epic manga adaption of the most famous work of historical literature in china, the Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Decades of political intrigue, warfare and dramatic characters, set in the Three Kingdoms period of ancient china, 169 AD.

Simple, but beautiful art, well done storytelling and easy to follow. A great gateway into the world of RoTK.
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End of Classical Civilization?

So there's this thread on /pol/:
http://8ch.net/pol/res/1434169.html

What I've gathered from the posters is that Islam ended the Classical world. Now /pol/ is generally shit but sometimes I get a nice talk on economics in between the piles of threads on white nationalism. For History stuff like this, I'd thought I'd ask you guys since experience has taught me to treat /pol/ infographic stuff with a grain of salt.

Thoughts?

Pic unrelated, was just something /his/ that happened to be in my fap folder.
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The History of 8chan

Anyone interested in collating the history of 8chan?

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Could Stalin, Hitler and the Japs have beaten the Allies and Mussolini?

>inb4 Musso was so shit the allies would lose cause he smelled bad
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Japanese Arms and Armor Thread

Looking for some picrefs for my own projects. I'll dump what few I've got to get the ball rolling.
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Anyone know about any groups/civilizations that may be uncommon knowledge?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_people

While there are probably plenty of african tribes I never heard, the Tuareg not only had a car named after them, but they are also called the Blue People because the heavy blue dye they use in clothes seeps onto and into their skin, and are desert nomad/raiders. It's a wild wild world.
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Educate me

I'm looking for someone knowledgeable about symbolism.

The meaning of symbols I can discover for myself, what I need to be educated about is the meanings inherent in the orientation of symbols.

For example, a symbol meaning one thing inverted becomes an antonym of that meaning.

One symbol placed above another expresses dominance.

If I have two side profiles of, lets say lions, and I place them side by side, claws facing away from eachother, what does this imply?

Transversely, if I was to place them side by side, claws facing towards eachother, what does this imply?

Google has been useless. Any help would be appreciated.

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Mohammad

What's /his/ think of Mohammad?

There are lots of stories, most hundreds of years after he died, about evil shit he did. Because they were told long after he died, they don't carry weight, unless there are historical accounts that verify them. Here's an example of one story:

Mohammed had a friend named Zeid. Once, when they were sitting together, Mohammed said: "God has given me the command that you put away your wife." And he put her away. Then several days later: "Oh, by the way, God has commanded me to take your wife." The other answered: "You are an apostle. Do as God has told you and take my wife."
- John of Damascus, Fount of Knowledge

Are there any accounts, within Mohammad's lifetime, about evil shit he did?
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WWI gifs/images?
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Hello /his/ I have a new board for you /pn/-politics and news. You will never get banned from /pn/ (unless it's cp)

Why /pn/ needs to exist

/pn/ is the synthesis of /n/ -news and the various political boards. Events have made these boards separate. By having them separate, it is easy to avoid news items because the boards are separate versus if they are on the same board, such as /pn/. The boards need to be together to provide maximum exposure to new ideas and thus to increase learning and intellectual discussion.

/pol/ is a place for politically incorrect discussion, but not for politically correct discussion

/leftypol/ is a place for politically correct discussion, but not for politically incorrect discussion

/liberty/ is a place for libertarians, but not for non-libertarians

/anarcho/ is a place for anarchists and such, but not for non-anarchists

/midpol/ is a place for centrist political discussion, but not for either the extreme left or the extreme right

/polpol/ is a place for retards, but not a place for non-retards

>>>/pn/ is a place for all political discussions, no matter where you are on the political spectrum

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Historical Music

Can we have a historic music thread? I know that the epitaph of seleikos is the oldest complete musical piece found to date, but are there other ones?

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Soviet national anthems

National anthems of each of the Soviet Socialist Republics within the USSR (the Russian SFSR didn't have one):

Ukrainian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClPhN9ES9to

Byelorussian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IHCLNRs2sM

Moldavian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILQbpuBYR-I

Kazakh SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhcbvA6I5zo

Uzbek SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFgQdap0qFE

Tajik SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn-jMpVBxBA

Kirghiz SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJcYeIjBxg

Turkmen SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT-coHqjoTU

Georgian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnililsVlg4

Armenian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pv-qaYm4zNo

Azerbaijan SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJGZ-oSCEiw

Estonian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_W18umcZs

Lithuanian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw3ajv7xbJA

Latvian SSR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRLj6nH-e84

The Karelo-Finnish SSR (which lasted from 1940-1956) also had its own anthem, but only a midi version exists online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA0AYeU9Fbw

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How common was the exchange of units between theaters in WW2?

I got curious since watching the ending of Band of Brothers this weekend, they were going to be sent to the pacific, yet the war ended before that, i was left wondering if other units actually made it.

Not only at the end of the war, but at any point in it and in ahy direction.

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Most rapidly growing world religion

Hey /his/ what do you guys think is the fastest growing religion (between Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Hinduism)?
This question popped up on a test and it made me think.
I think immediately Jews can be eliminated (no pun intended), and shortly after I removed Buddhism (population isn't booming as much in Buddhist areas as say in India or Mexico).

I'm not sure about the population in Muslim areas (parts of Africa, Middle East, and those asian places). I figured it was decently sized so I left it for reconsideration.

Hinduism doesn't seem to have a worldwide advantage, but India's population is growing very very fast last I checked.

Christianity has the advantage of already being the largest, with the greatest potential for growth. Most more devout Christian families I've seen have had pretty large families. They've got Middle and Southern America and their steadily rising population, as well as the US and Europe (and Australia and parts of Africa and Asia).

In the end I chose Christianity, with Islam close behind (I hesitantly removed Hinduism). The size advantage seemed too great. What do you guys think?
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/his student here. I have a huge gap between 1618 and 1815, so i know really little about Thirty years war, succession wars, development of capitalism/mercantilism, french revolution and Napoleon.

Anyone got some books to suggest?

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Why does seemingly every ancient statue have this bent leg pose? Is there a name for this?

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What do we know about Caesar's and Brutus' friendship? Were they really as good friends as is depicted? I've looked around and haven't really found anything to indicate them being good friends

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I have been browsing this board for a while now and i've come to realize that most everything that gets posted here is based on corrupt western ideas and a lot of it is simply not true.

Why dont you guys listen to credible historians like Drunvilo Malchizadek?

Video related, educate yourselves.

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Education

1. How did you discover your interest for history?
2. What's your major?