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Okay What if Instead of the English concentrating their forces at the battle of Stamford bridge and instead focused it on the Normans what do you think England would be diffrent?

>>18738

We've got an entire thread about it:

>>18338

What if the Sumerians never assimilated to Akkadian culture and became the hot new trend setter while the Elamites managed to fuck the Persians shit up?

What if the kievian rus' never fell to the mongols?

>>18745

Without an economy based on free market economics, would Britain have been rich enough to finance the wars against France?

>>18745

>Catholic Britain

That rustled my Jimmies.

>>18759

I really only think of the muh free market Britain starting with the abolition of the Corn Laws. How far back does it go then? And in regards to your question, well that depends on if Britain would have had a global empire. People forget that the idea of empire building was part white mans burden, part capitalist. Both of which in the 18th century were leftist (whig) ideas. Wasn't until after Wellington the Tories became pro-empire

>>15242

>>What if the South won the American civil war (I know this has been said alot) Would they still have slaves for much longer or what

No, they wouldn't. They only kept slaves just to mantain the social order, because free market and labour was rustling many jimmies in that days, because it was more productive, but provided less welfare, so to speak, to workers.

Also, try to imagine if they deported all the slaves back to Africa.

What if the Netherlands always would've been decentralized as it was during the United Provinces' times?

>What if France won the Hundred years war?

They did win.

>What if Beringia still existed (the landmass Injuns traveled from Asia to the Americas)

Maybe trading between the asians and the americans?

Although the climate was pretty unsustainable. Maybe horses would have been imported sooner.

What if Caesar was never killed and Augustus never became Principes and Dux (Emperor)? Would Rome survive for longer?

What if the ottomans never existed? Would the Byzantines recover from the 4th crusade?

And what if the Columbian civilizations somehow managed to survive to the spanish? Would they still exist today?

>>18986

>What if Matthew Perry never went to Japan?

Somebody else would have done it, America had already put serious thought into breaking their isolation and other countries were just as interested in the profits to be made, America just did it first.

>>18991

Agreed.

I do wonder how long Japan could have kept up the shogunate it seems like there was a mounting pressure because peace and stability brought so much wealth to the lowest caste, the merchants and so little wealth to the highest caste, the warriors.

>>15251

How? Explain

>>19000

The comment was joke, I'm not 100% sure Mexico would be the good one.

The South was an agrarian society dominated by large landowners. It was basically the same as most if not all of Latin America, add to that the turmoil caused by slavery and no protection from the industrial North it would've had problems if Mexico ever felt expansionist. It's loose confederation would've been given to any of the states seceding, something all of them had already done, leading to further balkanzation and weakening the CSA as a whole.

>>18973

>>>18973

>>If ceaser survived

>Not too much different, at most He might have taken a chunk of Germania and Pictland, I don't think he was any better at preserving the empire than Augustus.

>>No ottomans

>They might have survived for another 150 years at most before either Naples, The pope, some muslim fuck, or Even Spain took their shit, Though because of the silk road being kept open, Columbus would have never convinced the queen to send the fleet west, so no America unless something happened with the remaining Greenland colonies or something, maybe a Norwegian merchant thinking Vinland was Siberia or something and thinking he could be rich by finding an easier route to Asia.

>if the Colombian civilizations survived

Okay lets say 70% of cortez' fleet sunk from a storm then, they might have scavenged some of the guns and metals, if they could figure out how to use them they might have been able to hold the west off for a while, but England or France or Even the Netherlands would have eventually taken their land.

Heres some, What if Carthage had won the Punic wars? What if the Tokugawa never rose up against the Toyotomi and left the Emperor prepare for a second invasion of Korea and China Perhaps making connections with the Spanish and Portuguese, What if Arminius Survived and United Germania? What if Theodosius only had one son, keeping the Empire United but leaving cumbersomed, What if China was never United under Qin but was left divided? What if Leif Erickson reached a peace agreement with the Skraelings letting the Vinland colony survive for a short time, What if Islam never rose to power and instead had an Arabic split of Christianity? What if Paul being chased by Romans while in Italy fled north to Germania and converted the Tribes there? What if the Persians managed to conquer Greece? What if moot never got cucked? What if America sided with Germany in WW1 (different president or something)? What if america never completed the Manhattan project until after the war was over and invaded Japan with ground forces?

>inb4 divine wind sinking all the gajin

>>15695

okay not really probable but

>strange riders come from the west

>Cao Cao or Liu Bei or Sun Quan takes them in

>contact is made

>Eventually with the support of One of the states Parthania is crushed and large trade between the Mediterranean and China goes on

>technology and culture gets exchanged after decades

>eventually Christianity takes hold in china

>Christianity replaces how Buddhism would have become in Asia

>Rome may request aid from china to fend off Huns

>When Rome falls christian china may have launched crusades on India and Islamic southeast asia

>>18738

We would be speaking Nordic right now if that were the case, and there probably would have been some attempt to re colonize vinland or something along those lines

>>18986

Either China, Britain, Russia, or even fucking Spain trying to be an empire again would have either done the same thing or straight up took that shit.

>>21161

>>eventually Christianity takes hold in china

Why? How? Considering how religious forces tended to flow from East to West in Rome, what makes you say Christianity would take over China and not Buddhism overtaking Rome?

I think you guys are missing the big question:

>What if France had invaded Belgium before Germany during the outbreak of the First World War?

France had interest in Belgium because they did not want Germany to have it and if they did invade Belgium, the British would have defended Belgium's neutrality and invaded France. France loses First World War, loses land to Germany and Italy, also loses colonies to Britain. Britain and Germany become large superpowers as Germany can carry on the war with Russia, successfully claiming a large chunk of land from them. France has a fascist group come to power in the thirties and attack Germany. They attack through Belgium successfully bringing Britain into the war. Russia and Italy ally with France, Germany puts up a good fight but begins to wear down due to fighting on three fronts. However, due to Britian landing in France, Germany is relieved of pressure. Italy switches sides and joins the British and Germans after overthrowing their fascist dictator. Russia is facing whole of Germany and ends up losing the war due to attrition. Russia collapses into various states after a civil war. Germany has lost too many men and resources to control its colonies took from France after the First World War. Britain takes these colonies, as well as numerous other countries.

>>21183

To clarify on the last sentence, the other countries take the colonies, Britain doesn't spontaneously invade numerous countries

>>15393

a more reasonable administration would have require a paradigm shift in economic thinking at the time. this is mercantilism we're dealing with after all. I think the direct crush of the revolution would have sealed it for some time, but not all time. Britain might have better won by disrupting the fragile unity of the colonies, perhaps offering up the land of revolting colonies to loyal ones

>>15242

>if Beringia still existed

The west coast Injuns would have metallurgy, perhaps even the Aztecs and Inca civilizations would have sailed north and made contact with Chinese or something.

Japan China or Korea would probably have tried to build boats capable of invading some of the land to the west or maybe Aztecs through trading with Asia would learn what fucking Metal is and maybe even conquer up the West coast, the Inca would be rich as fuck through Silver and gold mining would be attractive to the Chinese. Marco Polo maybe would have traveled to parts of America. Zheng He would probably have traveled west around the tip of south America and up the east coast at some point at least, probably would have gone east as well, but if so Asia would be more cultured and less isolated.

>>15275

No the Bronze age collapse was mostly because tin was fucking rare and so your most used metal is becoming more and more expensive.

>>21128

>What if america never completed the Manhattan project until after the war was over and invaded Japan with ground forces?

There was never a serious plan to invade Japan, let alone one that didn't utilize atom bombs, as the beaches were too heavily defended and there were too many storms in the region in 1945. Rather, the most likely strategy would simply have been to continue the blockade and firebombing of Japan. A few months more, and there'd probably have been millions more Japanese deaths than there were simply due to starvation, exposure, and being burnt alive in their paper houses. Though there would absolutely have been many surviving remnants of their army, they were also running direly low on such supplies as clothing, medicine, and ammunition (and of course, food).

>What if moot never got cucked?

Impossible

>>21323

That didn't stop America at Normandy, besides just because there was no Nuclear weapons doesn't mean that they wouldn't use other bombs to soften enemy ground force, besides unless they abso fucking lutly starved to death Japan was not going to surrender, they needed fucking TWO atom bombs to force them into submission.

Guys, what if Tokugawa Ieyasu or his son Hidetada converted to Christianity?

Or what about if China was able to succesfully send the emissary to the mysterious "Da Qin". Or alternatavely https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Chao was able to beat back the Xiongu all the way to the Caspian sea and coming into contact with Roman people along the way?

What if the Toyotomi were able to beat the Tokugawa and pool the resources for another attack on Korea?

>>21128

> What if China was never United under Qin but was left divided?

I wouldn't count on China staying divided. After some time some other kingdom would have gained enough power to overthrow the others, but for the sake of argument lets assume nobody became powerful enough:

We probably woud have seen a situation akin to the Holy Roman Empire, without an Emperor, mind. The states were somewhat similiar in culture and tradition and alliances would have fluctuated a lot, mostly to outplay another kingdom or protect against a foreign power. Chinese technological innovation would probably not have been as great as it was, since a lot of it derived from the exchange in the Empire and the people defending the Empire as one, driving them to outplay their foes which were everywhere. There would also probably be even more differences in culture than we saw (Think northern chinese - cantonese), with every petty kingdom forming their own tradition over time and getting apart from another due to lack of interchange.

>What if Paul being chased by Romans while in Italy fled north to Germania and converted the Tribes there?

If there already was a tendency to Monolatrism (Worship of one major god and many minor gods) in Germania with Woden like we saw with Mithras in Rome he might have suceeded, but it would have been difficult.

The problem is that Germans lived in tribal communities with a lifestyle of substistence; They worshipped gods of Fertility and Harvest like Thor or Frey, gods focused on practical problems of everyday life. A god whos chief argument is forgiveness of sins and compassion doesn't really fit into a lifestyle this down to earth.

I think there's a reason the last pagans to convert where those in really inhospitable climates. They focused more on living from day to day; They couldn't care for their afterlife, surviving the winter was the most important thing.

We see this also with there geniuses in antiquity hailed from: Temperate to subtropical regions which allowed for a lifestyle not based on living from the hand to the mouth but instead to think about life, while not in constant fear of dying in the next 4 weeks.

>>21284

That's just one hypothesis, far from the only explanation. An environmental cause is possible, and a breakdown of bronze industry could be an effect of the collapse instead, or of the spread of ironworking.

>>25265

>Another civil war between the different factions within?

Unlikely, the country just came out of a civil war, repeating these horrors right after that would be unrealistic.

>Would the Tsar come back provided he survived?

Possibly. There would most likely be some conflict between republicans and monarchists, but no civil war. Most likely outcome would probably be a constitutional monarchy.

>Would the Russian empire remain united or would it break into different states?

Not sure, the reds managed to keep the empire's territories under control throughout the civil war. They may be forced to give some areas more autonomy though. The Japanese installed a puppet government and created a Far East Republic at one point, so that's a possibility.

>And most importantly, without a communist stronghold in the east, how would the politics in Europe have changed?

I imagine the surviving communist leaders would escape to other countries and possibly agitate there. Maybe communist revolutions elsewhere? Germany would be a strong possibility.

Also, if you like this sort of alternate history, take a look at the Kaiserreich mod for Darkest Hour if you haven't already. It's more historical fantasy than alternate history, but it's really fun.

What if Germany had truly unified at an Earlier date, say 1800 or the 1700s

Not simply a HRE but a true Germanic state

>>25269

I could Imagine the remains of the Russian Empire being so broke they would sell Parts of Siberia to Japan, China or maybe America.

>>25265

>What if the White Army defeated the Bolsheviks?

Someone else would have defeated the White army

this is my alt timeline

>during the American revolution, Canadians/French Canadians decide to join America

>Due to a larger "North" America is slightly more liberal causing a demand for emancipation of the slaves by the North sooner

>the CSA then breaks away earlier, probably ~1850

>whilst only a decade earlier it makes the world of a difference in that the North has less infrastructure of railroads/telegraph lines AND that Britain sees using India for cotton as less viable and thus joins the war on the side of the South most likely mainly breaking the Norths blockade and maybe even blockading the North

>the South can then win the civil

>North is butthurt for obvious reasons

>fast forward to ~1910

>USA has colonised the west coast faster and has never purchased Alaska

>CSA has won a major war with Mexico moving the border further south and made access to the pacific through Baja California, and a small war with Spain winning Cuba

>maybe even conquered some more of South America for dem sweet plantations

>all the while USA was mad that CSA had allies in Britain and France

>USA thus allied with newly formed Germany

>Archduke of Austria is BTFO by some Bosniak/Serb

>Whilst Europe wars on as standard to our timeline the CSA and USA battle it out

>major Naval confrontations in the pacific between Britain and USA

>Eventually USA comes out on top by going into megaproduction and probably by linking up with the Kreigsmarine fleet at some stage

>Germany is then not blockade and can actually feed itself

>Germany wins WW1 in Europe

>Russia still goes Commie but so does France

>GB is split up into England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland and loses all colonies

>England eventually goes NatSoc and the path of Nazi Germany

Germany would have the Ostland and Austria would have Ukraine

Would USA annex CSA?

would there be a WW2?

Would it be a better world?

Do you think i'm correct?

>>25284

USA might annex CSA under the guise of getting rid of slavery if they still have it, though they would at least have Taken it's South American/Mexican Territories.

>>25270

Napoleon wouldn't have been a thing.

>>25284

>>major Naval confrontations in the pacific between Britain and USA

meant in the atlantic

>>25291

interesting thought

id presume slavery would be gone by then though

Alexander Hamilton isn't killed by Burr but instead lives to old age and dies of natural causes in lets say the 1830s or even 1840s. He stays influential in Northern politics and industry. What happens?

>>19074

Exactly. Switch "caudillo" with "planter" and "junta" with "emergency government" and you've got your surviving CSA right there.

What if the Inca got mass production of Iron tools down 500 years before the Spaniards arrived?

I think they would have Formed a Pacific coastline Empire and expand north into Mexico, maybe even getting Caribbean ports on Panama and making contact with Spaniards with more advanced technology would not have been as easily taken over.

>>15242

>what if Beringia still existed

Maybe mammoth or mastodons would still be alive

Metalworking would have come to the Americas, and the lack of icebergs because of it makes the Pacific much more able to sail, I could imagine china sending zheng he on a second voyage to the west and doing some shit with Mexicans or Incas, maybe china would have expanded into the Western Americas in the late 17th century.

As the Holy Roman Empire loses power in Italy, several Italian states band together against Spanish, French, HRE and Papal expansion in Italy, starting in 1450.

Led by the Savoyards and Tuscany, this new state expands across Northern Italy, absorbing weaker Italian city states through diplomacy until it was the dominant power in the region. With a smaller military than most European nations, fueled by close contracts with native mercenaries and superior renaissance-driven technology, the young nation develops one of the first professional armies in Europe. They easily conquer the remaining states, subjugate the maritime republics in Italy, and eventually, curb the domain of the Papacy, taking most of Rome itself and well as Romagna and Umbria by 1500.

With all of Italy under their control, a the Kingdom of Italy is created under the di Savoia dynasty. On top of this, the Tuscan Medici family head a senate made up of patricians from former republics. With the king handling military and international matters, and the senate handling internal matters, and with a vice-grip on the affairs and actions of merchant republics like Venice, Genoa, Amalfi, Pisa and Ragusa, as well as major control over the contracts of Italian mercenary companies, this new state quickly establishes itself as a major power in Europe.

How does this effect the European world afterwards?

>>25355

>Native mercenary companies

They were shit, like, really shit. They dint even fight eachother at one point just staged huge mock battles and more often than not they double-crossed italian city-states for highest bidders

So no, too much alt-history

>>25355

>How does this effect the European world afterwards?

How every Italian unification game goes in EU3/4

Italian Africa.

>>25284

>tfw we don't live in this timeline.

Gonna add my .02

CSA would probably outlaw slavery around the 1890s from outside influences and its gradual decline anyways. So unless USA tries to conquer by then, they won't have the moral justification.

Also would CSA have anything west like Iowa or Kansas? Would the border states have joined CSA since they were debating joining CSA? Answers to these are critical to some of CSA's agricultural and economic capability.

There would probably be WW2 as Britain remilitarizes, tries to reclaim its colonies, and the world is like NONONO.

The big question is where does Russia fall in this? Because wherever she goes, that side will probably win if Russia is still under the Stalinist regime.

>>25368

well due to lack of Industrial Power the CSA would eventually have to open up to the Union, and so I think most states would stay with the Union.

Guys, what if Emperor Theodosius had one successor instead of dividing up the Empire after his death?

1. It would go Well and Rome would have lasted quite a bit longer

2. It would go Horribly and the eastern Roman Empire got dragged down with the western Empire

Which would it be?

>>15932

>>21161

You know, the records of both Wei and Wu record contact with Roman emissaries (Wei through the overland route through central Asia, Wu through the sea route via India)

And you're seriously underestimating the distance between China and Rome; it's doubtful either side could send any significant force to the other. Heck, during the time of Emperor Wu of Han, several more ambitious western campaigns were called off because the costs of maintaining the long supply lines just weren't worth the gains to be made. Soldiers need food, but so do the beasts of burden carrying those food supplies, and eventually you hit a critical size and can't go on.

>>25388

Empires were historically usually limited by the distance of one month travel from the capital. Which is why Romans easily expanded through the Mediterranean, but had trouble crossing the Danube — travel by sea was faster.

>Pope sends missionary expedition to the Mongols after Marco Polo comes back

>missionary's don't get their shit fucked up

>Mongols convert to christianity

>joint Euro-Mongol reclamation of the Holy Lands

>Islam defeated for good

Then it all falls apart because some Mongol big boss dies.

>>25284

Why would Britain side with a Slave nation like the CSA unless there was terms in which they would be let free and returned to Apefrica?

>>25400

Some Mongol tribes were actually christian, of Nestorian Church of the East. Khereids and Naimans were both christian.

Khereids had a pretty important role in Genghis Khan's unification of Mongolia; first Toghrul, also known as Wang Khan, tried to deceive Temüjin by offering to marry Temüjin's eldest son Jochi (who may not be his son actually, but that's another story) to one of his daughters, then kill him when he comes to discuss it — Temüjin survived because he managed to escape after he found out about this. In the end, Toghrul was killed by Naimans, and his brother Jakha offered Temüjin to marry his daughter Sorghaghtani to Temüjin's son Tolui. Which means that Kublai Khan's mother was christian.

Mongols also joined the 9th Crusade, where Abagha Khan (son of Hülegü and grandson of Tolui and Sorghaghtani) of the Il-Khanate, sent about ten thousand horsemen (he was also involved in other wars at the time so that wasn't full force) to assist the crusaders in Syria. But crusaders themselves had internal struggles for power so the crusade was not as successful as it could be. Though, it's not clear if Abagha was christian or buddhist, sources don't agree on that matter.

>>25386

Ya eventually, but this is while the war is going on and in this timeline USA isn't as developed industrially as they were in the 1860s. So with this being the case, I feel like some of the border states would join CSA, since it is a similar case with Virginia and Tennessee joining.

>>25403

>Toghrul, also known as Wang Khan, tried to deceive Temüjin by offering to marry Temüjin's eldest son Jochi (who may not be his son actually, but that's another story)

thats argueble you know that don't you

Also mongols only cared about religion when religion suit themvelves.This is why when a khan converts to christianity,islam or buddhism there are no drastic changes compare to settled people

>>25386

Ya its most probable the USA eventually conquers the CSA unless they get their shit together. I have a feeling the border states would join CSA though if they won the war. It's like the situation with Tennessee and Virginia when they eventually joined. Not immediately, but they did when CSA showed their strength.

>>25434

*since they won the war.

Here's a big one. What if the Spanish and Portuguese discoveries were swapped?

>>25526

>the Portuguese trade with Mesoamerican and Andean cultures, letting those empires flourish and slowly develop immunity to European diseases

>the Spanish colonise and enslave West Africa in a quest for Malinese gold

What if Francisco Pizarro predicted/found out that Diego Almagro II had tried to plot against him and stopped him from killing him?

I remember hearing somewhere Pizarro had designs on Asia, either by conquest or through trading, what do you think would happen? At the very least there would be more converts in Japan or China.

>>25265

>White Army

>Army

There were three White armies with separate interests, hence why they couldn't defeat the Reds.But if they did defeat them, there would probably be a military dictatorship similar to late-era Leninist Russia but without the intention for reform. I would say there would be numerous assassinations by rival revolutionary parties and continuous fighting by the three White armies. The Whites would also have to deal with the dozen foreign armies that invaded them, which would be very difficult, the only reason the Bolsheviks won was by keeping all their forces near Petrograd. Finland would probably make a land-grab, as well as Poland, Japan might take Serbia and other parts of far Eastern Russia.

>Would the Tsar come back provided he survived?

Probably not, by all accounts he seemed to be relieved to give u his position, I would imagine he would survive until the end of WW1 and then he'd beg King George for asylum again, or retire in Sweden like Wilhelm.

>Would the Russian empire remain united or would it break into different states?

Ukraine would likely declare their independence, as well as some of the other Baltic States. Central Russia may seperate, but this would make them more vulnerable to foreign invasion and they'd be fucked when WW2 erupts. I doubt their leaders would be as brilliant and brutal as Stalin, so they'd be fucked.

>And most importantly, without a communist stronghold in the east, how would the politics in Europe have changed?

>what is communism

Without a STALINIST STRONGHOLD I would say people would still hate Russia if it progressed aat the rate it did under Stalin's rule. If it remained backward, I think people would have more of a laissez-faire attitude toward Russia, perhaps it would be invaded again

>>25269

>Maybe communist revolutions elsewhere? Germany would be a strong possibility.

Dude, this was attempted and they very nearly succeeded. There were revolts in Ireland, Scotland and Northern England as well, tanks were deployed in Glasgow. There were large protests and cases of fighting in France also.

>>25589

>Japan might take Serbia

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>>25596

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>>25596

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>>25596

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If there was a strait at the Sinai, the entire geopolitical situation would have changed for the Greeks, Romans, Phonecians, basically anybody with minimum capacity to get armies/settlers onto ships.

The effects it would have on the development of Islam is also notable since the Arabian peninsula's major population centers wouldn't be nearly as cut off as they were.

I think Islam wouldn't even be a thing with christians probably migrating there during the roman persecutions, and the romans would have surely had some colonies.

The whole geo-economical system would change, and now chinese trade ships could basically reach Rome without the need of the parthians-persians, there would be a Roman/Chinese version of Marco Polo.

The Phoenicians would be the first to benefit from this, though, their navies would have explored-traded with the southern civilizations and maybe Rome could have a second Carthage to fight.

>>25661

>>25655

>>25661

I wanted to say "no Islam", but I was afraid my bias would show.

A world without Islam is so lovely to think about.

>>25663

There would just be an extremist version of Christianity in that region, or worse, Judaism

>>15242

>there is a strait at Sinai, making it possible to move ships from the Mediterranean to the red sea, about as big as the straits of Gibraltar.

Well for starters Rome would have had much more intense trade with the east and vice versa, Carthage wouldn't have been as big a power as trade was seeking to the east and not the west, at any rate Alexander may have been able to invade Easier but the same goes for the Persian Empire that was there centuries Earlier, Though due to Egypt being at the Strait I could see them becoming the Main Power and through the trade there Expanding Into Arabia and the middle east, infact due to their fuckton supply of Grain they could have easily done it all things considered.

Well seeing how that would make things weird from Day one I would say any "Rome lasts longer" or the like is bullshit because Rome wouldn't have become as big because as I said Eastern Powers Becoming the center house of power and staying that way and probably Egypt would have launched Campaigns on Rome if they got too uppity.

>>25685

Just read up on the religious violence in the region leading up the Arab Conquest. There already was extremist Christianity and religious strife.

I wonder what would have happened if the Swedish colonies in America lasted (not the viking ones)

>>15695

There were Sino-Roman relations, they were just too detached geographically to pursue. China did keep frequent contact with the Byzantine Empire for the sake of training however.

If it weren't for Parthia relations would have been a lot more interesting.

>>15242

>there is a strait at Sinai, making it possible to move ships from the Mediterranean to the red sea, about as big as the straits of Gibraltar.

The Hebrews could not walk out of Egypt, remaining slaves/killed

>>25269

>the reds managed to keep the empire's territories under control throughout the civil war

what are Finland, Poland, the Baltics and Bessarabia?

>>26574

*Tips fedora*

Yes they did not part the sea that is purely myth.

>>15242

If there was a straight at the sinai Egypt,carthage,and north africa in general wouldn't develop or wouldn't resemble the ones in our timeline,if there was a straight at the sinai we'd all be stuck in africa.

>>26621

>if there was a strait at the sinai we'd all be stuck in africa

Nope, we fucking colonized Australia. A pathetic strait can't stop us.

>>26623

I believe he's talking about early Human Evolution, and though a small straight /might/ be passable because there is some evidence of small raft like things but it was only till MUCH later did humans land on Australia.

>>26621

This, though I believe Siam and Indonesia would have been colonized more heavily and perhaps there would have been some Empire in the west that just fucking Grew massive because no one was paying any attention to that Area,

>>26644

>What if France won the Hundred years war?

France did win the Hundred years war. If they didn't then England and France would have become one country. At least until it collapsed

>>26644

>What if France won the Hundred years war?

France did win the Hundred years war. If they didn't then England and France would have become one country. At least until it collapsed

>>25284

This sounds like Timeline-191.

Turtledove stopped caring sometime in the WW1/WW2 interbellum period.

>>21128

>>18973

What if, faced with the muslim enemy at the gates, the orthadox christians on the Balkans united in some federation, some league to fight them together, repelled them and stuck as one entity afterwards?

A united Balkans would be able to withstand much, and control a great strategic and commercial location, which is why the west has always worked to prevent it.

>>26710

I suppose they would Push the Turks out of Asia Minor and maybe even eventually take back Constantinople but after than end up fucking up on Each other.

>>26711

I meant including Byzantium, and before its fall.

When the Ottomans first landed in Europe and took Tsimpe to launch their operations from, thats when the bell should have rung and everybody should have gathered forces.

In reality Byzantium stood alone and broke, Bulgaria was divided into three countries, and Serbia did mercenary work for the Ottomans.

>>26710

That happened, despite that they still keep conquering.

>>26725

It happened to late though, and with next to no support from other christians in Europe. I guess nobody thought these fancy dressed horsemen with big guns could do any real damage.

>>26726

Yeah crusaders slowed down conquests, but ottomans destroyed themselves.It is fascinating despite many crusader alliances they managed to keep conquer.

>>26726

I don't think the Balkans were so unused to Muslim Turkics to consider them an alarming and novel existence. That familiarity is probably why they worked together with the Ottomans as often as they fought them. It's not as if an enormous Islamic empire was a feared inevitability when the Ottomans set up camp on the other side of the Bosphorus. Thus far Muslim Turks had fought as mercenaries for the Byzantines or settled as crown subjects in Hungary or Romania for centuries.

The Ottoman Empire was something of a fluke and rare showing of multi-generational talent, and would be like asking what would happen if the Merovingians allied and put Charles Martel in his place before he and his descendants could conquer all of Western Europe two generations later.

>>26732

I'm going to address that map.

Firstly, USA having been successfully invaded and now split between Japan and Germany seems ridiculous.

I don't believe the United states could have been successfully invaded to begin with, its military capabilities and the distance which needs to be traveled across the Ocean to reach it makes it near impossible to take unless you attack from one of it's bordering nations of Mexico or Canada.

The same goes for all of East Asia and Australia. I simply do not believe it would have been possible for the Japs to take all of that without becoming far too overextended and destroyed by a coalition of opposing forces.

So that is what I think of the Americas and Asia. They would have been able to fight off invasion.

Now onto Europe. I believe that after the war came to a close that France, Britain, Norway, Sweden and the Baltics would have the occupation ended after some time had passed. Germany would not have the capacity to hold all that land without rebellion and unrest rising.

Russia and Central Europe are fucked though. They stay in the new Central European Reich which comes to dominate European and world politics.

Japan would lose its grasp on China and Korea as nationalist rebels rose up and fought back

>>26737

Iberia's claims are wrong in that map. Not only does lose Ecuatorial Guinea, Mozambique, Angola and Goa for no reason; Iberia would demand at the very least a number of free ports all along the coasts of Africa and Middle East, plus the retrieval of Cuba, Puerto Rico, Macau and Timor.

>I don't believe the United states could have been successfully invaded to begin with, its military capabilities and the distance which needs to be traveled across the Ocean to reach it makes it near impossible to take unless you attack from one of it's bordering nations of Mexico or Canada.

>The same goes for all of East Asia and Australia. I simply do not believe it would have been possible for the Japs to take all of that without becoming far too overextended and destroyed by a coalition of opposing forces.

In an alt History in which the USA doesn't rush-build the Pacific Fleet, or in which the attack on Pearl Harbor actually destroys the core ships, or in which the USA can't keep the pace because they are running low on money from an increased lending to the losing nations in Europe it's not hard to think of such and outcome. Fund the German-American Bund, creaty inestability in Mexico and you have already made yourself with a few partisans and a casus belli.

In real History there was no coalition able to stop Japan after the british defeat in the Straits. With all that anti-western sentiment growing from Pakistan to Cambodia, and the isolated and by all means weaker Australia and New Zealand, the only enemy of Japan was the massive numbers of the chinese opponent. But hey, they run out of oil…

>Now onto Europe. I believe that after the war came to a close that France, Britain, Norway, Sweden and the Baltics would have the occupation ended after some time had passed. Germany would not have the capacity to hold all that land without rebellion and unrest rising.

I think they would have enough capacity and showers to hold all that land, but they would most surely resort to puppet governments, loyal vassals from each country who understand the subtleties and needs of their Volken.

>>26743

I think that the Germans beating the Soviets, andthe U.S. beating the Japanese, with a Cold War developing between Axis and Allies is more likely. I don't see why the U.S. wouldn't churn out a fleet like they did, I think the destruction of core ships at Pearl Harbor would have just delayed island hopping.

In my mind the UK would still be free too. I can see Hitler making a cease fire or something with the Anglos.

>>26737

>Firstly, USA having been successfully invaded and now split between Japan and Germany seems ridiculous.

>I don't believe the United states could have been successfully invaded to begin with, its military capabilities and the distance which needs to be traveled across the Ocean to reach it makes it near impossible to take unless you attack from one of it's bordering nations of Mexico or Canada.

What's more, Hitler had intentions of creating Native American nation states in North America.

>>26732

Pretty much impossible,

Germany and Japan both lacked in:

The raw resources for war

The Manpower for it

Protip: pissing off most of the World to where they Unite to fight you is a bad idea.