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3bd156 No.19957

His, I had an interesting thought.

I've been watching a lot of time lapses of European history and thought, is there any nation that have moved?

Like pic related, a nation called orange is between 2 nations, they capture land by the yellow nation but the Green nation captures land of the orange nation.

Which means if this goes on long enough, the nation will eventually move?

7d9feb No.19964

Maybe not a nation but i found it interesting that the Albania actually began in the Caucasus but now we consider them to belong in the west Balkans.


98a992 No.19967

>>19964

That's actually a discredited and obsolete theory. The common belief now is that they're the descendants of ancient Balkan peoples.


98a992 No.19969

>>19957

That depends, are you just talking about nation-states? Because I can't think of any that have "moved", unless you count people who migrated somewhere else and set up a kingdom somewhere other than where they used to be, like the Magyars or Vandals.


de054a No.19972

Something along those lines happened with the Treaty of Turin, in 1860: the Kingdom of Sardinia (ruled by the House of Savoy) ceded the Duchy of Savoy itself and the County of Nice to France, but gained Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna, to eventually conquer the whole peninsula. So the Green is France, Orange is Savoy-Piedmont-Sardinia, and Yellow is the rest of Italy.

where is muh Kingdom of the Two Sicilies flag? Long live King Franceschiello ;-;


589d54 No.19979

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6ccdc7 No.20014

>>19979

Poland and Germany both are all over the fucking place.


b39de5 No.20015

>>19964

>Albania actually began in the Caucasus

nah dude that was just a name for an area

There was a Caucasian Iberia as well, but the Iberians sure as shit didn't come from the Caucasus.


f16391 No.20017

>>19964

"Albania" is a geographical term. The Albanians of the Republic of Albania call themselves Shqiptarët in their language. They're generally recognized as being descendants of the Illyrians, Dacians, and other nearby Balkan tribes.

Caucasian Albanians are like… Georgians and Azerbaijanis and such. Totally different people.

If you want a better example of a nation that's "moved" (I assume we're not viewing nation as synonymous with country), I can think of Turks as a prominent example.


af4ac0 No.20021

The Bulgarians shifted from the Crimea/Ukrainian area I think


907dd7 No.20024

>>20021

Not exactly. When they lived on the steppes they weren't Bulgarians, they were Turkic Bolghars. They migrated into the Balkans, and the Bulgarians came about from the admixture of the native Slavs and the Bolghars.


1bd1c9 No.20025

The Hungarians (?)

I mean they came from the turkic steppes and settled in pannonia only to get beaten by Otto.

Also in some way the Roman Empire with Byzantium, althought it wasn't really recognized as "Roman empire"


446d12 No.20074

Hmmm, I don't think there's any modern one. If that nation moved they probably were nomads, like any european barbarians of yore, or just took the name of the former power in the area [s]like Macedonia[/s]. Maybe Italy, look where is Savoie now, and it was ceded to France in the beginning of the unification…

Historically, we may consider Prussia, the Mayans… And I can't think of any other non-nomad now.


98a992 No.20129

>>20074

How would the Mayans count? They were never even really united; they were a bunch of separate kingdoms across Central America.


446d12 No.20244

>>20129

There is this theory that they are just the survivors of some peoples who descended from the north, in that case, they would have moved. Anyways, I don't think there is such a thing as a geographically displaced country.


714bee No.25986

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>no one states the obvious answer

Rome Niggers


9ed026 No.25994

>>20017

>The Albanians of the Republic of Albania call themselves Shqiptarët in their language.

Yet, if you call them šiptar as a Slav, that's a derogative.


4d139d No.25999

>>20025

>>wasn't really recognized as "Roman empire

When will this meme stop?


000000 No.26005

>>19957

Armenia


a1d84e No.26036

>>25999

Listen, they were greeks, they spoke greek, their religion was a greek fork of catholicism, their emperors were greek, how are they fucking roman?


7c4c9f No.26037

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Another obvious example: Normans.

I had fun drawing this map about their northern adventures, but they also conquered territories in Southern Italy and later explored 'merica.

>>23681

Don't even start nigga, there's a thread already >>23681


81c7ff No.26048

>>26036

at least until 1204, the 'Byzantine' emperors formed an unbroken chain with Roman emperors starting from Augustus himself


938c7d No.26052

>>20074

Slavs and germanic tribes during Migration period?


7c4c9f No.26053

>>26048

Don't derail please

>>23681 <- epic byzantine meme discussion goes here


2d7f6f No.26059

>>20024

Bulgarians were invented in the 18th century or something.

Before that they were bulgars.


3b49e0 No.26060

>>26037

>normans explored america

when did this happen? or do you mean scandinavians in general


d7561b No.26061

>>26036

So ,by that logic, because you don't follow the traditions of your family and you(moved away and) speak another language it means that you were adopted ?


cd2697 No.26063

>>26061

>>26036

I wouldn't count an empire to begin with, personally. To me they're above the notion of a nation by their very nature. Rather than the nation moving, the ERE was an administrative branch of the old empire that survived its collapse, and was later changed in character by the shrinking variety of nations under its control.


7c4c9f No.26065

>>26060

I meant Normans as in Frenchmen from Normandy, such as de Champlain and de la Salle. No pseudoscience (v:


d96649 No.26104

Really the only examples that I can think of are Poland and the Roman Empire.


7c4c9f No.26105

>>26104

What happened to Poland?


e5c334 No.26155

>>26105

what didnt


7c4c9f No.26159

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>>26155

Luther and kebab.


e5c334 No.26163

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>>26159

10/10 kek


9bf1d5 No.26171

>>26155

Apex kek


deef30 No.26263


d73e7f No.26573

Do you mean a Government-in-Exile? There's a wikipedia list that I'm too lazy to pull up. Taiwan's also a debatable example, Ming Dynasty took the island from the Dutch in 1662, then political change after political change, and then the Republic of China was ejected from the mainland by the communists. I also seem to remember Portugal's government briefly fleeing to Brazil during the whole business with Napoleon. These are never permanent situations, since people are settled and nationalist sentiments become a factor.

Or do you mean the people/culture moving geographically, not necessarily under the same government? Most examples of this are questionable because these migrations many times come with cultural hybridization and the cultural shifts that inevitably happen over hundreds of years. Are Franks the same as the French, the Visigoths the same as the Castilians/Spanish, Magyars the same as Hungarians? Did Ostrogoths or Lombards have more influence over modern Italian culture? Questions like these start pointless flame wars, especially regarding the Byzantine Empire, because we're talking about lineage here, and lineage is prestige.

Unrelated to the thread, I once knew someone who really prided herself on being part of a Native American people, the Mono. When she underwent one of those genetic tests that are supposed to tell you where your ancestors came from, it turns out that the Iberian peninsula had more influence over her genetics than the North American continent. She was very emotional, denied it and denounced the testers as frauds. She saw it as an insult, but since the Mono homeland was also the northern-most reaches of Spanish colonization of the Americas, it's not impossible that people of Spanish heritage were either forcefully captured or peacefully adopted, and incorporated into the tribe. It's interesting how she defines "part of the tribe" by race/blood, while her Mono ancestors would have only thought of language/customs.




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