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b27e88 No.24903

Why was Churchill such a piece of shit?

What were his motivations for a war with Germany, and how could he have actually thought the world would become a better place for it?

Also did anyone actually support Churchill? Did the people like him and if they did was it just due to propaganda?

f08671 No.24924

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a65f34 No.24926

>>24903

The war led to globalization and with globalization it lead to global banking. Churchill was nothing more than a tool used to destroy Germany, a state that opposed the global banking elite, or as they would say the jews since many jews were there. He was a piece of shit with every sense of the word. The only two reasons the allies won in the second world war is why they won in the first world war are propaganda and the involvement of the USA and he had all the "good guys" propaganda behind him.


90892c No.24930

i want /pol/ to leave


12ea44 No.24935

Churchill was a retard who thought America would just let Britain continue being a super power. If he had allied himself with Hitler then maybe they wouldn't have had the humiliation at the Suez and become America's lapdog.


337637 No.24936

I hate him because he spoke of how he enjoyed the First World War. Also, he was a liar and generally seemed to be socio or psychopathic.

However, he had a drinking match with Stalin which is cool. He was beaten though.


337637 No.24938

>>24924

>Britain and France, both under strong, Jewish pressure, declared war on Germany…they did not declare war on the Soviet Union

They declared war on Germany because of its power, they were frightened of Germany then, much like they were frightened of Germany before the First World War. They were not frightened of Russia because it was thought of as backward and, generally, viewed it as a joke. They also felt no need to go to war with Russia because fighting on two fronts would be difficult and they hoped to ally with the Russians to fight the Germans.

>Actually was historically German territory

Have you ever heard of "conquest"? Just because people once lived in a place and lost it doesn't mean they have the right to live in it. By this logic, the Jews have the right to own Israel.

Also, the reason why this was portrayed so badly in the media, was because this seemed to be the First World War all over again, tensions had already been rising and sides were becoming evident so why the hell not would they spread propaganda? The Germans did the same towards the British, Americans and the Jewish people.

>Jews were riding high in the Soviet Union

topkek, the three people pictured were killed in the purges you fucking retards.

>general Jewish hate

I don't understand why you're supporting events such as the Night of Broken Glass, these were innocent German business owners which were segregated against, had their homes destroyed and were even killed for what? If your reasons are correct it was to teach the Jews a lesson… but why target a whole race when it is much easier to go into high-level talks with the "Jewish bankers" and settle Germany's problems with the international banks through diplomacy rather than ruthless killing.

>He hoped to make peace with Britain and France

Hitler just annexed territories from Poland that had previously belonged to Germany, you think France would want peace knowing that Hitler was just around the corner from annexing the parts of Germany that France had won previously? Britain also said that they were to go to war with Germany because of its strength, not because of its morals, Churchill said it didn't matter if Hitler was in charge or a Rabbi but Germany had to be stopped from growing.

>Hitler hated communism

>people still believe he was actually a national socialist.

>when the communists in Germany betrayed his county after the end of the First World War.

After the First World War there was a power struggle involving many political parties, each thinking that they were doing what was best for their country. The East Germans were a majority communist and, because they lost, they were seen as traitors. If Hitler had lost he would also have been seen as a traitor of his country. He also used the large Jewish population of East Germany as propaganda to say that the Jews were trying to destroy his country, when in fact he also participated in that civil war. Ironically, he hates Jews because they are capitalists, when the Jews in the civil war were communist…. it seems like somebody hates the Jews personally rather than for their ideals.

>There was an uneasy non-aggression pact between Germany and the Soviet Union.

It wasn't uneasy, Stalin believed in the pact whole-heartedly, so much so that when he was told that Germany had declared war he wouldn't believe the messenger. The Germans broke the pact with the Soviet Union and betrayed their trust, showing that the Germans were lying and deceitful.

Stalin wasn't planning on invading the Germans, he believed that the Britain, France and the US, as well as other western-democratic countries, were planning to invade. He told the Russian people that Russia was under-siege so spent all profits from production on defence. Why would he want to invade Germany when he needed to consolidate his own forces and make sure his own borders were in order?

>pre-emptive strike

topkek, few weeks too late.

>completely disregards the mass rapes of Russian women and mass-killings of Russian men, slaughtering of livestock and burning of crops etc.

>don't try to deny this, girlfriend's grandfather is German and fought on the Eastern Front.

>"the Germans aren't bad, the Russians were much worse"

>implying that this makes the Germans actions more justified when they attempted genocide

the fact that you're trying to highlight how bad the Russians were, which they were, just shows that you know the Germans had done worse.

>the graves have never been found

topkek

>they have never been seen alive again

I think that's the same for the six-million Jews that were killed to be honest.

>they were killed April 1940

This might be true but you're actually believing Nazi doctors? Really?


337637 No.24939

>Act of genocide against the Poles

>trying to compare 4,000 people to 6,000,000

>Dared to free themselves from the Jews

they weren't attempting to free themselves, they were attempting genocide, there's a difference between boycotting international banks and persecuting a whole race.

>The Holocaust story

topkek

>The Jew, Karl Marx

topfuckingkek, my head is in my hands, are you SERIOUSLY implying that Stalin was following anything CLOSE to Marxism, or even socialism? Jesus Christ, how can anyone even believe this fucking video? I bet they're going to point out Lenin may or may not have been from Jewish ancestry now.

>has a picture of Zinoviev

>voted against the October Revolution

>was beaten by Stalin TWICE in the power struggle

>was then shot during the purges

fucking hell

>stopping lynchings because of anti-Jewish felling

have you ever thought it might have been because, say, people were murdering other people which the NKVD could have been murdering? (jk) But seriously, stop believing this shit.

b-b-b-b-ut guys, remember 4,000 Poles were killed by Russians because Germany organised an invasion of Poland with Russia (but of course they are not even partly responsible) and they didn't worry about where the Polish officials were being taken when they owned half of Poland, only when they were invading Russia and it would have been great to have some propaganda to be used against the Russians and luckily know exactly where these mass-graves are without any prior knowledge… but just remember, these guys were killed which is just as bad as the Holocaust, okay?


337637 No.24940

>Act of genocide against the Poles

>trying to compare 4,000 people to 6,000,000

>Dared to free themselves from the Jews

they weren't attempting to free themselves, they were attempting genocide, there's a difference between boycotting international banks and persecuting a whole race.

>The Holocaust story

topkek

>The Jew, Karl Marx

topfuckingkek, my head is in my hands, are you SERIOUSLY implying that Stalin was following anything CLOSE to Marxism, or even socialism? Jesus Christ, how can anyone even believe this fucking video? I bet they're going to point out Lenin may or may not have been from Jewish ancestry now.

>has a picture of Zinoviev

>voted against the October Revolution

>was beaten by Stalin TWICE in the power struggle

>was then shot during the purges

fucking hell

>stopping lynchings because of anti-Jewish felling

have you ever thought it might have been because, say, people were murdering other people which the NKVD could have been murdering? (jk) But seriously, stop believing this shit.

b-b-b-b-ut guys, remember 4,000 Poles were killed by Russians because Germany organised an invasion of Poland with Russia (but of course they are not even partly responsible) and they didn't worry about where the Polish officials were being taken when they owned half of Poland, only when they were invading Russia and it would have been great to have some propaganda to be used against the Russians and luckily know exactly where these mass-graves are without any prior knowledge… but just remember, these guys were killed which is just as bad as the Holocaust, okay?


5e297c No.24966

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413fa2 No.24968

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Our board motto is "Aspire to be as great as Genghis Khan"

This /pol/ level 'discussion' will not lead you anywhere close to the Great Khan.


93c0f8 No.24979

>>24938

>>24939

This amount of devastation against retards should be made illegal.


a65f34 No.24984

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>>24939

Oy vey goyim the chosen ones did nothing wrong!


b8f5dd No.25106

>>24984

I don't think anyone here is implying that the Jews are completely innocent.


a65f34 No.25112

>>25106

So Hitler did nothing wrong.


b8f5dd No.25130

>>25112

All maymays aside, there are Jews who are assholes and the Talmund is pretty awful. But it's not enough reason to condemn them all. There are good Jews like Sommers and Finklestein.

I will say though I get a bad vibe from orthodox and really conservative jews. Maybe it's just the kebab in me, but I also get bad vibes from other really conservatively religious folks.


5e297c No.25137

>>25112

Only thing he did wrong was Stalingrad.


258b0a No.25157

>>25130

Yer not alone, heathen


a65f34 No.25163

>>25130

Too bad they don't think the same as we do when it comes to mercy.

>>25137

And Kursk, and not sending in tanks on Normandy.


5b9416 No.25169

>>25137

And deciding to pull a two-front war because "muh lebensraum".


a65f34 No.25173

>>25169

You know that the Ruskies were massing their troops and building airports at the German-Soviet border and that Staljin had plans to invade plus the commies wanted lands south of the Reich.


258b0a No.25197

>>25173

sauce


5e297c No.25223

>>25173

I also heard that he was going to invade 10 days after Operation Barbarossa happened but didn't because Barbarossa.


337637 No.25586

>>25223

>>25197

>>25173

nah, bullshit, Stalin believed in the Non-Agression Pact and wanted to consolidate his forces in case of invasion from the US.


a65f34 No.25591

>>25586

>nah, bullshit, Stalin believed in the Non-Agression Pact and wanted to consolidate his forces in case of invasion from the US.

Commie shill detected.

According to Viktor Suvorov, that was not his plan. And after all, they retreated back to Russia after WW2, after the whole 'liberation' of European women.

>>25223

German recon planes saw a lot of army movement, fortifications and airports being build week after week plus the German spies also sent back the same reports.

>>25197

Hitlers speech, the one he gave the reasons why they invaded the SSSR, the Staljinists wanted to Finland and conquer and the Balkan axis, and Germans saw it was not a good idea to ever talk with the communists.


98a12b No.25759

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>>24938

>>24939

#shrekt

>>24984

The Jews are assholes, but so are NEETSoc aspergians who feel the need to always play the victim and whitewash the crimes of Nazi Germany.


54595b No.25761

>>24903

The real question is, why did Europe wait for so fucking long. Hitler was a megalomaniac that had no intention to stop at any point.

WW2 should start with Sudetenland already tbh.


a65f34 No.25767

>>25759

The only crime they did was losing the war.


337637 No.25813

>>25591

Surorov doesn't know shit, he said that Stalin wanted to spread communism to other countries, when he wanted the exact opposite. He refused to help Chinese Communists who were wiped out after a short revolt, he told Communist parties in the Spanish and German Civil Wars to fight "fasco-socialist" parties (left-wing parties) in an attempt for them to wipe themselves out, which actually led to the smaller National Socialist party's rise.


337637 No.25815

>>24984

Well that is the result of the anti-Semitic views of the German party, what do you think they're going to do? I know that if someone came to power in, say, Germany and said the Scots were cancerous and started persecuting Scots in Germany, the Scottish would boycott their goods as well the UN imposing sanctions.


026b37 No.25839

Yall niggers need to read up a little. France basically declared war on germany because they didnt pay ww1 reparations.


026b37 No.25840

>>25839

Which was partially due to the great depression, but thats politics.


026b37 No.25841

>>25840

If you /pol/friends want some fuel for the fire, france invaded germany before hitler was in power.


7cba7a No.25854

>>25813

Do you think Stalin even truly cared about Communism by the time of his death? It just seems like he used it as atool to me.


a20383 No.25946

>>25854

you're a hundred percent correct. Stalin was an opportunist who was the General Secretary in the Communist Party upon Lenin's death. The only reason he stayed in this role was because he spent years hiring people who supported him into the party, meaning he had a large power-base at the time of his death.

To begin with, Stalin, Kaminev and Zinoviev teamed up against Trotsky because Kaminev and Zinoviev, since they voted against revolution, hated Trotsky. They were also worried Trotsky would use he Red Army against them. They convinced people to vote against Trotsky by saying about Trotsky's plan for world-communism, which people no longer wanted because of how much war the country had already suffered. Trotsky resigned, believing that it was best for the party.

Now, Stalin teamed up with Bukharin to knock Zinoviev and Kaminev out of the power struggle. Zinoviev and Kaminev were surprised as they believed they were using Stalin, instead of Stalin using them. Stalin used Bukharin to convince the party that the New Economic Policy was reliable, when it wasn't to be honest, while Zinoviev and Kaminev brought back Trotsky to convince the party that Stalin was bad. This time Stalin used his growing power base to take out a lot of Zinoviev and Kaminev's supporters, labelling them as "Trotskyists" and enemies of the party. Zinoviev, Kaminev and Trotsky failed because people no longer believed in the Communist dream and the party was now overrun with Stalin supporters and opportunists. Zinoviev and Kaminev were beaten and also resigned, while Trotsky was exiled to Kyrgyzstan I believe.

Next Stalin took out Bukharin, saying that the New Economic Policy was unstable. Bukharin, without allies apart from a few old Bolsheviks (which were arrested or assassinated) was quickly beaten and, before he could resign, Stalin took control of the party and his first decree was to have Zinoviev, Kaminev and Bukharin arrested, and later shot. Zinoviev and Kaminev begged for their lives, while Bukharin believed that this was the best for the party.

It just so happened that the party was called the Communist Party because Stalin would have done this in any party. However, using the word "Communism" meant that millions of people could die during the Five Year Plans and the Purges and the masses would view it as a sacrifice for the soon-to-be Communist Utopia. He didn't ever care about Communism, anon, he wasn't even in Petrograd during the revolution.

Fun-fact, Lenin wrote in his last testament that Stalin should be removed from power immediately because he saw him for the shit he was (Stalin shouted obscenities to Lenin's wife down the phone and was useless as the representative of Georgia). However, Zinoviev smothered the Testament as it spoke negatively about him as well. If it wasn't, then perhaps Trotsky would have controlled the party. I believe that Trotsky would have done largely what Stalin did though, in terms of the five year plans, but he probably would have supported foreign revolutions.


c6e293 No.25950

>>25946

IIRC, Trotsky had an exemplary of Lenin testament, and he even showed it to other people to brag, but he never pulled it out during the party meetings.

Later on, an american journalist found out about it and made an article on the subject, and Stalin ordered Trotsky to write a counterarticle saying that such a piece of documentation did not exist, and that if it existed, it was a forgery. Trotsky was a complete idiot, and at that time, he burned his only advantage over Stalin.


846609 No.25973

People seriously believe that a man who thought that using poison gas on non whites was perfectly ethical was the main reason that multiculturalism became a thing? Top kek.


a20383 No.25991

>>25950

didn't know this anon, cheers


c6e293 No.26023

>>25991

I learned this listening the the radio emissions Henri Guillemin made about the three main russian revolutionaries, Lenin, Stalin and Trotsky. It's very interesting, as Guillemein is more interested in the story of tha man rather than the system he lives in, and I learned a lot about these three charachters. It's in french unfortunately.

Lenin had good intentions and was, overall a good person. His life is truly very sad, considering the fact he truly believed in his ideals, only to see, on his deathbed, that he has been wrong all along.

Stalin was a psychopath, but he seems to have truly love a handful of people in his life.

Trotsky was an insufferable faggot.


5628ad No.26184

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>>24939

>>trying to compare 4,000 people to 6,000,000

>implying the holocaust happened

>IMPLYING

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