/his/ - History

>>25944

Basque whalers could have done it, but simply didn't care. It is a fact that they've been whaling along Newfoundland coast during early 16th century, they even developed a pidgin to communicate with Algonquian natives. They whaled around Iceland since at least early 15th century.

>not seeing the retardedness of the 1421 Chinese theory

Nigger you do realize they were going in the opposite Direction and could only follow the coast and only handle the short jumps from China to the Indian ocean.

tl;dr if they wen't to far into the pacific those huge ass Junks would have got sunk.

>He mistook Cortez as his grandfather

No, that is because they're mythical God was White and seeing how they barely had any metallurgy seeing them with all that shit they had it was certain to them that they were gods.

However some say that the Voyages of Thorfinn Karlsnefi went more south then people thought and may have went all the way down to Florida, and maybe through passing of stories white men turned into Gods for the Meso-Americans.

Also what are peoples thoughts on the Kennsington stone? Did they debunk it or did they recognize it as real?

>>25982

from wikipedia:

According to Winchell, the tree under which the stone was allegedly found had been destroyed before 1910. Several nearby poplars that witnesses estimated as being about the same size were cut down and, by counting their rings, it was determined they were around 30–40 years old. One member of the team who had excavated at the find site in 1899, county schools superintendent Cleve Van Dyke, later recalled the trees being only ten or twelve years old.[13] The surrounding county had not been settled until 1858, and settlement was severely restricted for a time by the Dakota War of 1862 (although it was reported that the best land in the township adjacent to Solem, Holmes City, was already taken by 1867, by a mixture of Swedish, Norwegian and "Yankee" settlers.[14])

Winchell concluded that the weathering of the stone indicated the inscription was roughly 500 years old. Meanwhile, Flom found a strong apparent divergence between the runes used in the Kensington inscription and those in use during the 14th century. Similarly, the language of the inscription was modern compared to the Nordic languages of the 14th century.[12]

>>25964

>Davis speculates that Buddhist priests or restless peasants from Japan may have crossed the Pacific in the 13th century, traveled to the American Southwest, and influenced Zuni society

I'm dying here

>>26006

Yea that part might seem retarded but the linguistic similarities are still there.

Well, it wasn't that long before, but the Portuguese definitely about the New World before Columbus official landed there.

In fact, in the Treaty of Tordesillas, it shows that Portugal was already acutely aware of the layout of the Brazilian coast, due to how they placed the division in the treaty.

>>26041

The Treaty of Tordesillas could suggest that the Portuguese were aware of the Brasilian easternmost point before Cabral's official discovery, but before Columbus? Is there more evidence?

>>26042

Before Cabral.

It's possible Cabral's entire expedition to India was just a mask to actually find Brazil.

Portugal had been by that point, going up and down the African west coast for decades. Especially at the west African coast's turn east, around Cabo Verde, it's not unreasonable to think there were many instances of ships veering off course and going too far away into the west, due to storms or other factors.

At a certain point, you start to see evidence of a coast. Stuff like birds in the distance, debris, etc.

Now mind you, it's circumstantial. But it's certainly weird how it all lines up so perfectly. Before any official landfall in Brazil, Portugal already had signed a treaty where most of that coast was recognized as within their territory (at least by the Castillians).

Mind you, I'm Portuguese, so I got my biases.

>>26045

That and there were lots of Portuguese Pirates in the Late Greenland colonies, maybe one of them found Vinland after going off course or something.

>>26045

>It's possible Cabral's entire expedition to India was just a mask to actually find Brazil.

That's what I meant with my post, but Cabral's landing happened in 1500, and the Treaty of Tordesillas was signed in 1494.

So I guess Portugal could have decided to secretly explore the New World after Columbus' voyage had confirmed its existence.

Not that I doubt it could have happened before as well – it was a matter of time and will, not technology – but such a claim would need solid evidence.

That's what you get when you go muh sekrit island.

>>26045

And speaking of bias, I'm Italian. So daily reminder that the Spanish Crown financed Columbus with Genoese money :^)

>>26050

Prosciutto pls

>>26041

Haven't thought about that angle yet, interesting post!

>>25947

For the sake of interest - how exactly did people whale in the 15th century? I find it difficult to imagine that people went after whales with little more than wooden vessels and harpoons. Furthermore, how exactly would you preserve the whale oil or other parts of the animal during the extremely lengthy trip without modern tools?

>>26195

Mother fuckers in Pacific Northwest and British Columbia did it with stone tools.

>>26202

Yeah, but assuming you cut up the damn whale, how do you prevent the entire crap from just rotting away while you return to your homeland a few hundred miles away?

I assume salting or smoking it all can only do so much to preserve it.

>>26051

>>26054 is right, we're at three where's florencefag?