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Only if you don't spoiler

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Just a reminder to our users that if anything happen to 8ch or /leftypol/ please go to https://www.bunkerchan.xyz/leftypol

It is our bunker in case of an emergency

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Right here. What happened?

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Official /leftypol/ reading list

In this thread, various members of the community have listed recommended literature regarding leftism, i.e. economics, political theory, philosophy and other subjects related to leftism. Some recommendations are for starters, or for those in advanced literature.


/Leftypol/ has many ideologies, Marxist, Anarchist, Left-com, etc. so there is a variety of different literature with different viewpoints.

Reading literature is recommended, as it helps you understand leftism better and is much better than reading Wikipedia synopses.

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Thorstein Veblen is absolutely essential. I'm surprised so few know about his work, especially these three:

The Theory of the Leisure Class

The Theory of Business Enterprise

The Engineers and the Price System

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Hello and welcome to /leftypol/. Please check the board tags for related boards. These are our groups:





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>How can you call yourselves leftist politically incorrect?

/leftypol/ posters are allowed to voice opinions that offend liberals, SJWs, and so on. All sects of leftism are allowed to post on /leftypol/, leading to plenty of fighting and shitflinging between leftists, which other forums would tend to ban. However, this was only a minor consideration in the naming of /leftypol/. Since the concept is simply a leftist version of /pol/, the entire name of /pol/ was retained.

>I'm not a leftist can I post here?

/leftypol/ welcomes debate from non-leftists. Non-leftists frequently come here to ask questions and raise topics for debate. Board moderation here is more focused on maintaining a good board index, so non-leftists have to be on better behavior as OP than they do as participants in someone else's thread. If you aren't b8ing or shitposting, your thread is likely to stay up.

>Are you liberals? Are you SJWs? Do you like Obama? Are you all Zionists???

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Maybe you should just stop shitposting

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They could have gone the Makhno route - institute full immediate communism and let soviets self-manage, army is internally democratic (to allow it to self-disassemble when the time comes) but extracts surplus value to fuel itself in an essentially feudal manner (they take what they need from communes in return for protection, basically). That would have been based and was the vibe I got from "State And Revolution". Unfortunately, Chomsky was right - it was the highly authoritarian "What Is To Be Done" (which I haven't read yet), which was critiqued in (Menshevik at time) Trotsky's "Our Political Tasks" of 1904, which defined the character and outcome of the Russian Revolution. Notably, what happened with Stalin was exactly what Trotsky had (supposedly) predicted in his book (once again, knowledge from second hand sources).

Before people go on about Makhno and his failures, it's very hard to discern what is Bolshevik propaganda and what is anarchist propaganda. It cannot be denied, however, that he left the soviets which did form to self-manage and that, furthermore, the Russian proletariat was much more active in self-organizing (soviets were largely a peasants's system; in Russia, industrial workers organized into the factory committees which were planning to confederate to plan production just before Lenin shut them down, thus providing the basis for industrial coordination).


Immediate abolition of all exchange and immediate communism (stateless, classless, "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs") as soon as the revolution hits because it will degenerate and die otherwise. Communization theory before its time. If you read the Conquest Of Bread (posted above, fairly short at 118 pages IIRC but I seem to be the only one who has read it around here), that's the main argument of it in a nutshell.



ive been around left-wing groups for the last couple years, and i don't think this is the case, at least in the US. Its not so much a political ideology that makes me instantly dislike someone, ive met assholes and fuckheads of all shades of red, but anarchists not so much. They tend to be less judgmental, more open to political incorrectness (who would have thought) at best, and at worst they're really cant be called anarchist an any serious capacity as ive seen them go full blown idpol liberalism.


can you get more than one anti-smashi gif? Its just boring at this point.



that because weve never had communism you fucking dumbshit.



You seem to think that the capitalist state works as a separate entity to the interests of the bourgeoisie. Sure they have a certain level of autonomy, but for certain I feel like the embodied reality of capitalism makes their actions indistinguishable.

I also believe that capitalist ideology is the largest enemy in maintaining revolutionary purpose in a proletarian state. The problem with the USSR (post-Lenin) was that it undermined or ignored proletarian movements that didn't adhere to its dogmatic ideas. This might be counter-intuitive, but I believe that solidarity and close-knit alliances between different socialist movements of any kind is integral to remaining rooted to the class struggle.



The state, no matter what kind of ideology it follows, is solely concerned with it's own good and interests. In Capitalism, like all other groups, it's interests are usually best served by obeying Capital, but that does not mean it serves the interests of the bourgeoisie, only that their interests usually coincide, but can sometimes coincide with the interests of the people. Politics is a game of gaining money from the bourgeoisie and votes from the proles, and to win the game you have to balance the two; of course usually money comes out ahead. Politicians and bureaucrats don't have any loyalty to the bourgeoisie or the corporations, and would fuck them over if it benefited them. This is ultimately the core error in statist Leftists, especially ML, thinking: the belief that the state serves some entity or class and not just itself.

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In the face of all the r9k threads we've been getting I thought I'd create a containment thread of sorts for all those people who feel alone, depressed, and angry about their life situation, yes, also in regards to your sex life

Get in here guys

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The fantasy/thought of a revolution happening and seeing every rich exploiter and warmonger humiliated and remoulded to communist society keeps me going sometimes.


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>tfw want to join the YPG and help build socialism

>tfw worried you'll die after a short and shitty life from something sudden leaving behind all the people who love you




Well, biggest reason "potential" cures get covered up (a better term is buried) is because diseases are viewed as markets in the pharma world. Kinda obvious. But what people don't realize is pharma companies are SUPER secretive. Quite the opposite of academic research, which is where the vast majority of scientific research takes place. But the idea with academics is to share information, increase human knowledge, which pharma then capitalizes on (quite literally) in order to find new drug targets, or new technologies to treat diseases with.

In regard to pharma secrecy, muke does a good job highlighting this, about how you can have multiple companies all doing the same thing, hitting the same challenges, but not sharing anything because of "muh patents" and "muh profits". But this becomes particularly ethically challegning when companies open divisions to research rare diseases. They may actually stumble upon a cure, a potential disease target, therapy, whatever, yet they bury it because they decide not enough people have the disease to profit from, or perhaps they don't want to risk pursuing a potential treatment (since R&D costs a lot). This is from first hand accounts, actual therapy completely shut down in the pursuit of profit.

But most unethical to me is all of that info, completely buried. Maybe some other company would decide to pursue it had it been published, but pharma can't have that because they are competitors. And this isn't even getting into more explicit conspiracies that they don't cure disease because treatment is more profitable. I can't comment on that, I wouldn't doubt it but IDK. And then factor in too that these companies have a ton of sway over the FDA, and there are A LOT more cases of fudged data and fudged clinical trials than the media reports. Happens a lot actually and studies have shown the FDA covers that shit up.

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Fuck it I'm a bit riled up so I'll add a little bit more. Also sorry about reddit spacing I just find it easier to read when I'm typing.

Now this isn't overtly capitalism per say, but relates to private ownership. Another issue with science currently is what gains interest in pharma is the question, is it profitable? My specific research focus is the disease ALS (Motor Neurone Disease for the bong among us). No cure for the disease at the time, actually, we have nothing really in regard to treatment other than bare essential shit.

At this current time, diet seems to be a huge factor in the disease. All kinds of dietary related things, such as plasma triglycerides, LDL cholesterol, obesity, fuck even type II diabetes are known to be protective against ALS. Yet I haven't seen jack shit in regard to pharma interest in these areas, and I personally conjecture its because you can't profit off diet. Furthermore it hurts academic research because grant funding in this regard is low. People want a drug, yet in lieu of a drug, it makes sense to create interventions that help lessen the disease. But objectively this kind of research could never be privatized because nobody can profit from it. Such raw information can only help people, but it can't be profited off of.

You see what I am getting at? Privatization of drugs, science, and medicine is hurting us in ways. I mean these are just crude, some what annectdotal examples, I can write a fucking book on this shit




Honestly sounds like you should just stick around and hang out more tbh

If you can make her happy when you hangout and not act like a cunt this'll probably end well

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Greetings leftypol

/intb/ has come to 8chan. We hate Not Socialists too! Feel free to come post on /intb/

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This a board for the people who want to have fun, we'll wreck /pol/ just come on down post whatever you want. The truth is we'll be great allies.


Truly we can further our agendas better together. Lets destroy /pol/ together.


smells like a samefag in here


Its time to get on board lets do this.


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It is. Pic related.

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/leftypol/ redpill me on your views on space exploration, space colonization etc

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Great ideas on paper. Maybe we can look past the radiation/particles, though anything else would still be a problem. I think we already have in this thread the problem of objects bigger than 10cm. We've already seen them floating above the earth. Travel safety will continue to depend on not bumping into artificial asteroid fields created by human garbage.



Junk satellites can be salvaged if we have the infrastructure to easily fly mission in low orbit. Also the Apollo poo bags left on the moon seem to not be harming anything though if you want to have large scale colonies we probably should be thinking about sanitation systems rather then just pooping into bags and dumping them or using vacuum toilets like the ISS that are just air-lock systems for human excrement.





Either humanity colonizes space and survives until the heat-death of the universe or we all die on Earth. It's a no-brainer.

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What is the Neocons are Trotskyists conspiracy come from? Was it ever meant to be more than a meme?


The founding fathers of neoconservatives were former Trots.




Also they became porky by borrowing the idea of Trotsky's "Permanent revolution" idea and transforming into a "Permanent democracy".

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e-celebs, internet drama, feels, fetishes, and so on

EDIT: This is a voluntary containment thread for stuff that is barely related to politics/philosophy/etc. Users are encouraged to self-police e-celeb drama by using sage and linking to this thread, but "board culture" threads aren't banned.

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I don't think either of those sound particularly convincing and it's time to defect to NazBol gang.



>If society is so advanced that anyone can live and reproduce there is no natural selection, it's necessary to artificially fill in the gaps.

why? Evolution doesn't have a set goal or agenda. If more people are free to live and fuck then I don't see how that's a bad thing.



Ah well, feels>reals as usual. I just being smart really is evolutionarily disadvantageous.






I understand evolution doesn't have a set goal and that nature is chaos. This is not true however for humans, we definitely do have set goals and an agenda. We have certain things that we value and so want to heighten and propagate.

If we want to continue our values of things like progress and advancement in a socialist society I think it's important that we use natural processes in this way to our advantage and consciously structure them in a way that we will.

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Donating your organs, y/n?

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tbh this is a shit attitude.

i used to think sort of similarly until the idea of owning a scooter started to appeal to me on cost (and licencing) grounds. then it turned out just because they look really gay doesn't mean they're any safer than motorbikes. so then i accidentally sort of became sympathetic to them (and dropped the idea of getting a scooter on fashion grounds, since you basically have to dress like a biker to minimise your chances of dying when a car inevitably hits you, which would just look silly because most people don't know that.)

So walking it is.



I hope you realize just how much naivety your sentiment is rooted in. Performance sport motorcycles are truly one of the most incredible modern inventions - there is simply nothing that even compares. It might seem silly to someone that isn't a thrill seeker or is too much of a pussy to explore outside their comfort zone, but the warp speed acceleration is truly an out of body experience



Honestly I'm very biased. My dad growing up got into a motorcycle accident and destroyed both his legs. He was crippled for like 5 years after and we're knee deep in medical debt still from it


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Anyone knows the odds of organs going to sand/niggers? I know chances of incompatibilities are way higher, but niggers never donate and they have to get them from somewhere. If I could know chances are low I'd switch to donator. After I'm dead they'd rot anyway, might as well help someone for the cheap price of a few cuts in a dead body. But if they can go to a nigger then fuck that, I'd rather take my organs to my grave.



wtf I hate motorcycles now

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Which shall be the solution to the "M-L question" ?

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MLs have been the only ones doing things for the last 60 years



*clears throat*


MAY 1968


those being the top 3 examples off the top of my head; there are others too

Plus, I thought MLs saw the USSR after Stalin as being "revisionist" (funny coming from MLs, who are a revision of a revision of a revision - should be arguing for Proudhon if thinking that way!). All they've done in the last 60 years is the Khmer Rouge (no real differences between Maotists and you guys in practice), and we all know how that went.


>he fell for the "proletariat = industrial workers" meme

Proletariat = anyone who sells their labor power (is employed)

Just wait until Trump and his successors finish the process of neoliberal globalization and the labor aristocracy phenomenon disappears completely, bringing people who fit into the category of "proletarian" in the 1st world back to the beginning of the 20th century in living standards (but with computers and mass surveillance!).


Trotsky wasn't a leftcom, you faggot. And I see that you're trying to draw him in by being disingenuous. Just be honest about what you think and let it stand on its own merits. No one can really do this honestly, but it's an ideal to aspire towards to try to not be a total faggot.


I'm staunchly anti ML and don't think that way. Straw man. Holodomor is not real and famines still happened because there had been famines for the past 1K years in Russia, but Stalin was still a monster for creating gulags, shooting anyone who disagreed with him, repressing self-management of the soviets, etc. Completely antithetical to socialism as classically conceived, although it was impoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.



Who are?



Yeah they've been turning leftist movements to shit worse than capitalism for the past 60 years, causing their citizenry to run towards capitalism at the first opportunity.


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>Trotsky wasn't a leftcom, you faggot. And I see that you're trying to draw him in by being disingenuous. Just be honest about what you think and let it stand on its own merits. No one can really do this honestly, but it's an ideal to aspire towards to try to not be a total faggot.

Or you could take a course to improve your reading comprehension–that works too.

I'm so tired of retards getting buttblasted and firing off on their keyboards without bothering to check the actual content of my posts, or intentionally misinterpreting what I say because they can't come up with a good rebuttal.

Look at what I wrote:

>You could get honorary leftcom p.rileves if you were a Trot

In no way does that assert that Trots are leftcoms but it only points out that Trots and Leftcoms have a similar view of the Stalinist era of socialist construction. In fact, it really implies the opposite in the same way that when Hitler called the Japanese "honorary Aryans" the Japanese people were still in no way "Aryan" to say that Trots are "honorary leftcoms" despite whatever shared positions or positive feelings between the two groups the fact is Trots are still not leftcoms. To point out another context clue the fact that any group would grant another p.rivileges that it already enjoys would seem to indicate that the two groups are not in fact one and the same.

Trotsky rejected the state-capitalism thesis being put forward by leftcoms and had some bitter breaks over people in his own movement over it; Bordiga referred to Trotsky as a "rebel who rose to late" in his 1946 piece The Fundamentals for a Marxist Orientation.

Both groups share a common vilification of Stalin and the Stalinist period of socialist construction. Both have very confused ideas about what should've happened after the revolution/after Lenin seemingly unable to make up their minds over whether the NEP should've continued and Russia revert back to capitalism or whether collectivization in fact shoPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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First off: yes, it's not a priority, now fuck off.

How do you think drugs should be dealt with? Since nobody is in favour of outlawing tobacco and alcohol, then most everything else should reasonably also not be illegal. Where's the cut off? Should it be there? If we can trust people to be responsible citizens, then surely we can trust them to not become drooling junkies the first time they get into the physical proximity of heroin?

Post leftist works dealing with issue.

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was also ban evading. now she's permabanned for "massive shitposting/banevasion" lol. she'll probably be back though



Oh look, a retarded black flag. How old fashioned.


Hi Anfem!!!



That is fucking amazing


Drugs should be unconditionally legal.

I don't necessarily trust people to be responsible about it. But if someone OD's on heroin and dies as I see it the genepool is better off without them. It's a win-win situation.

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Seriously, what the fuck is it with this state? Why are there so many billionaires there? According to American conservatives its just a left-wing hellhole with no dynamism where everyone chills on welfare and smokes weed and high-taxes smothers what few innovative individuals that exist. And yet such an enormous concentration of wealth exists thats unlike any place in the country or anywhere else on Earth. How do they reconcile this idea with reality?

Its fascinating to me too how many of America's most successful conservative politicians come out of this state. Looking at wikipedia it seems the claimants to wealthiest man in the US all hailed from either California or another Western state in the post-war period. What explains this? Lower-taxes for oligarchs? A headstart on whats now called "neoliberal globalization" by Western capitalists due to their geographical location? Higher profits then other regions because there's more room to develop then East of the Mississippi?

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I'm glad a book I've been shilling is getting more popular.



/pol/ wouldn't glorify Tankies let alone Communism, or even anything left of the axis..



There's not a place more deserving of summer camp fun than Silicon Valley.



California has the largest and best public universities in the USA, some are the best in the world. This was all because of massive US government investment, largely for defense purposes. Research laboratories like Lawrence Livermore and Sandia as well as the large number of military bases (the state is so big that I wouldn't be surprised if it had the largest military population) has injected large numbers of dollars to fund infrastructure and development in ways that other parts of the USA haven't received.

The central valley though is a hell hole and houses some of the poorest regions of the USA. Many counties score high in every poverty metric (read Yasha Levine's Oligarch Valley for a tour through the central valley).

Remember that this is where Reagan got his political start as governor. He is still regarded as a good example of a politician here, even by democrats. People are used to being very wealthy and are ignorant of socialist traditions.

The only places that have had any socialist culture are in the bay area (and the nearby People's Republic of Davis where the author of the OP pic teaches). This is part of a larger culture of radicalism though and lacks the focus on communities that socialism in other parts of the USA has produced.


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Could be worse

Damn America is fat

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First, I'm new here.

This is just getting fucking bizarre.

I know that idpol isn't great, and there is *something* to be said about SJW tendencies, but this huge recent explosion of reactionary "philosophy" channels with sleek graphics and daily uploads of tremendous effort, it just feels really fucking odd.




Stefan Molyneux

Prager U (fuck my life)

Eric Dodson

The Thinkery

Rebel Media



That female Trump activist

These channels, they all say the same things. They invalidate literally any leftist opinion, in fact lumping leftists and liberals as one. They take any semi-literate high school kid and immediately redirect whatever class consciousness he might develop into an unconditional mistrust of Muslims, again treating "Islam" and "Wahabism" as if they're interchangeable. And the fans have such passionate political feelings for what some Buzzfeed girl thinks of manspreading, you'd forget that the world around them is literally about to be burned alive by carbon emissions.

This is just such a bizarrely passionate mass movement over such relatively boring topics. I'm tinfoiled as shit /leftypol/. I'm not saying that this is necessarily the work of FBI/CIA funding (although looking at the 60s I wouldn't put it past them), but at the very least there must have been a concerted effort by /pol/ the same way /pol/ was killed by SF.

Did I miss something? Is this common knowledge already?

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I have never been so angry at a post in my entire life. I can hear comrade stalin screaming in my soul, telling me to slaughter the liberal bourgeois



the internet atheists aren't exactly shooting and beheading each other. Good try, comparing neckbeards shitspewing on the internet to literal blood-spilled war



yes yes you're very edgy. You can stop that now.

People aren't evil just because they disagree with you. Go back to /r/anarchism.



never been, glad to see you're familiar though



t. Carl

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