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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


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Robots are used because automation is cheaper than human workers

If allegedly humans couldn't be hired to perform tasks because of robots, then the companies using robots would go out of business and/or the economy would spiral out of control towards collapse.

A business only works because people can pay into it, thus a constant equilibrium (only interrupted by state interference) exists in which employers can only offer services so long as employees exist to pay for said services.

Therefore robots cannot replace humankind because to do so would cause humankind to be unemployed, leading to the collapse of said robotics companies and the rehiring of humans.

This does not take into account changing markets, it only points out that we don't have to worry about robots.


Demand for labour would decrease, which either:

1. Shifts labour to a less-automated industry

2. Decrease wages for that industry while maintaining the same (or better due to higher commodity quality) purchasing power.



m7 u just went full retard

>implying i must produce for someone else

>implying i cant just need a chair, and make myself a chair

>implying i cant just need a x for myself, and produce a x for myself

>implying i am going to give a shit about some random drooling manual laborers or the service industry going out of job

>implying i have enough analytical capacity to automate stuff, and not predict a mob of violent and angry unemployable shitters

>implying i am not building nuke tipped missiles first, and automation right after

You dont need other humans. Hell, you cant even interact with more than ~100 humans in any meaningful way (or idk, maybe I just cant).

What you need is land and robots, or resources. Land, humans, robots, they are all just resources.

So basically you need resources and replacing humans with robots simply means more resources. Therefore it is in your interest to do it.

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A strong church is a strong counterweight to the state. The alternative is to have the Academic-Technological Complex run the everyday lives of people. That's what we have right now. These are just organs of the state, because all of their research is done with public money and the companies have employees that went to public university or public schools. Eric Schmidt is a registered Democrat and basically did all the technical stuff for Obama's administration and Hillary's campaign. He's also the CEO of Alphabet, which owns Google.

I am going to take Catechism and start going every Sunday. My half-brother met his wife through his Church, and I will meet mine through my Church.






Death to Antifa!

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It's not that easy. A federation of states is better than one centralized state, several smaller, separate states are better still, and the Catholic Church actually did have a lot of beef with Mussolini and Hitler.


The church isn't an institution. It's the community.



Catholic church was actually responsible for preventing a lot of secular atrocities back at their.height. Spanish Inquisition is actually a perfect example of what they were trying to prevent.


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Get in the gas chamber.



>What is important to people like you and me is orthopraxy, not orthodoxy.

I guess this is a solid point but fuck me if I can even sit through mass one hour a day. I'd rather just help out their charity efforts than LARP as a believer.


How do you explain post-Rome Europe? The Catholic church held society together when the government fell to pieces.

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citizens of microstates (monaco, andora, singapore, hong kong, liechtenstein) are exceptionally rich. i wonder whether there are any statistics comparing area of state with wealth of that state's citizens. i wonder whether it is true that the smaller the state the wealthier the citizens of that state



On average the smaller the state/region, the less the state can fuck with people without being ousted since every penny counts and every expat could fuck up the budget.

This (typically) translates to the state staying out of people's business to a greater extent if the option to expand isn't present.



DanielBarth2048 would start off with a microstate.


Most first world nations would be very rich per capita if you only looked at their cities. I guess it helps that these states are typically trade hubs with few economic restrictions, but I think the issue is that they don't have any significant rural population to even it out.



Tax Havens, Lack of poor Rural folks, being important economic hubs.

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I tried to make a libertarian general on /pol/. :(


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Have you tried working your braincells before talking with other people?

>Uhhh /pol/ is the only one that did something wrong here right? I got banned [Unironic Emoticon]




>I tried to make a libertarian general on /pol/.

For what purpose?



Pointless. Try making one on /b/ or /k/ instead


I don't get the Pinochet meme: because sure as shit everyone who posts it hates Kissinger but draws some magical distinction between the organ grinder and the monkey.

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How will an Ancap society prevent me from fapping to trap porn?


>How will a ancap society do things like breaking into your house and researching your computer

Missing the whole point.


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Once freed from the burden of taxes and regulation, you will be able to unleash your entrepreneurial spirit and amass a large fortune by making intelligent and well-timed business decisions. With such resources at your disposal, it will be trivial to gather a substantial harem of real-life traps. You will come to view the act of masturbation with a kind of nostalgic curiosity and disbelief, similar to what modern man reserves for things like "dying of cholera", and other such obsolete tragedies.

Welcome to the future.


It will let you pay for real trap boipucci and bring the price down to affordable levels.

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General thread for Onion Relay folks.

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Not quite, it is a circular argument. A hardcore utilitarian will probably respond with "so what?".



Because if people just return to the same level of happiness, then trying to increase it on the average for large groups of people is scientifically impossible.



Okay, then I misunderstood what you meant with the hedonic treadmill. Then you were right about what you said before.


What are some things you guys think are "Red Flags" (not necessarily for a relationship)? E.g.:

- A country not having a stock market.

- People with colored hair.

- Youtube videos with the presenter's face centered in the video.

- Videos that start obnoxiously loud.


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I remember when I was younger and my father told me a story about how an acquaintance of my grandfather tried to start a garbage company. The competition bribed the police and then burned his garage and his trucks. For me, this was a really formative moment to me becoming an ancap. Until then I was thinking, "What about the police?" That story really helped me put into perspective about how government isn't a magical panacea that solves social problems.

So, what gets me about the VICE documentary to Liberia, is how they repeatedly ask, "Where's the government?" Meanwhile, I'm thinking, "How can you guys have this much cognitive dissonance? The government is already there."

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Was there any faction remotely right-libertarian on the Russian Civil war? I do sympathize with Nestor Makhno even though he was a leftie, but I wonder if the cadets or something were more akin to what would be Libertarianism.

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The green armies were almost a voluntarist bunch of armies, but they hadn't any ideal


The cadets were (classical) liberals.



The cadets of which faction? The White Army?



I belive he means the Constitutional Democratic Party, that were called cadets (they were not essentialy in the army)



I just looked them up. Seems pretty interesting. Surprised they're not mentioned more.

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How do you guys feel about Egoist anarchism

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nope, Max Stirner was highly opposed to private property. Any system with the least leaders would be for the best interest in our ego, so ancompton or anmutaland. But anmutualand is still focused on material aspects of the ego rather than the full ego, so ancompton is the best choice



Stirner couldn't be opposed to anything except on aesthetic or egoistic-utilitarian grounds. If you had asked him if he wants to live in Ancompton or in a system in which all of humanity is killed off except for his peers and some personal slaves, then he would choose the latter, provided he took his own philosophy serious.



Going by the assumption that in Ancompton, he'd be worse off, of course. Thought I'd point that out.



its fucking trivial, irrelevant, unimportant

calling things spook is a spook

no for real its inconsequential whether you think something is a spook or not a spook

as for anarchism and all its derivatives, it just leaves a foul taste in my mouth, like one of those things 13 year old children are really into, like goths or emos or whatever the fuck

sometimes, you gotta take the bitter cure, or a whole fucking painful surgery to feel better overall and anarchies to me are just like 'nah brah fuck the system maaan i dont want no painful surgery yeeeeeeeeeeeee' and then you fucking die in agony a month later





Huh now that's a new one. A bit more unique than Ancomistan and Anmutualistan.

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Is this good enough?

t.a guy have never read any voluntarist, liberterian, baby seller books, just using common sense.

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>Speaking as a former "Marxist", only if he is literally your introduction to economics, and all subsequent readings are authors who are derivative of him…

That's my impression with him so far. He stumbles into mistake after mistake, but if you've never heard about things like subjective value or the calculation-problem, then you'll probably be extremely impressed.

>I feel like a problem with this test is that it asks questions on the basis of opinion rather than litigation. I wouldn't make all of my personal beliefs into law, so I feel like it rated me as more Authoritarian than the reality. Anybody else get that vibe?

Absolutely. The test runs on the assumption that you want your personal preferences to be enforced through violent means, if necessary.


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>That's my impression with him so far. He stumbles into mistake after mistake, but if you've never heard about things like subjective value or the calculation-problem, then you'll probably be extremely impressed.

Also, his theories are basically conspiracy theories, and as such encourage you to look nowhere else for insight. That's why Marxists are so dug into the ground… they see his as some economic prophet, when in reality hes the exact thing he criticizes, a bourgeois German who has been so privileged his whole life, he's never actually had to participate in the system. That's why he appeals to young college students, because most of them are the same, yet they all claim to speak for the poor.

It's Rich Man's Guilt: the Economic Policy

Anyway, retook it thinking like this.. here's the result… seems to support this idea, I answered things like it was asking about law, and tried to avoid the "strongly" options, assume that implied litigation…



So basically, they f#cked up by assuming libertarian=pensive, and anyone who's passionate in their views comes out as more statist…



it's a common problem with these sorts of tests, but this test in particular takes it so far that it's meme-tier and useless for anything serious.



Are there any good political compass tests?

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Link: http://www.strawpoll.me/12800219

If your favorite philosopher isn't on this list, then that's because he's a faggot and no one cares about him. Also I ran out of space because I was kind enough to give Marx and Engels separate entries even though every faggot on the planet will vote for both or for neither.


>no Horace

He might not be a philosopher, but there is no better advice than carpe diem


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>all these meme answers but no Machiavelli


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That's because he's a faggot and no one cares about him.


me lol


You could've just used poal.me, which lets anyone add answers themselves.

>Helicopter Hoppe

This meme needs to die.

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what about singing a song together as /liberty/?

it must be a song about liberty, preferably in english because it is english speaking board

maybe vidrel? we need someone to glue all the redordings of us into one audio file, anyone?


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I like this meme vid the best


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ok im in


I'd be willing to join depending on the song.

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im considering sending it to my literature professor- he said that empowered women were dubbed as witches




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>im considering sending it to my literature professor- he said that empowered women were dubbed as witches

People make too much of the witch hunts. At most a few hundred-thousand people died in them, within a span of 500 years. Tragedy? Yes. Systematic campaign of eradicating strong, free-thinking wymynz? Hardly.

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I've been thinking about this for a while and it's sort of a question that'd been bugging me for a while. Does it really matter if we have free will or if everything is determined? Does it really have an impact on anything in terms of discussion (in regards to Libertarianism, economics, etc)? If it actually does matter, what side do you anons take?

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>or that originally there was nothing, and out of nowhere existence came to be

this is not what big bang is about u moron


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Even with full determinism an Ancap society is better because of Natural Selection.



Thanks for the comic cause your post was shit and I didn't read it



>For Law and action to have any purpose, Determinism has to be refuted

You mean metaphysical purpose? Because I think they do their job of decreasing crime just fine.

>But people crimes are predetermined

I don't think you understand, can you imagine a universe where police exists and in that one a little knob is added to someone's decision making, and another one where it doesn't and that little knob is removed, causing him to do the crime?

>But the existence of that police station was predetermined in both cases



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rude tbh

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