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Help to compile a list of resources (preferably free) about non-authoritarian political thought. If you want to see something added, make a thread to discuss adding things to this list and I'll edit it in here if it's good.

Our list so far:
Please note that inclusion on this list is not an endorsement of a work. What you do with this information is your choice.

The Online Library of Liberty
Find hundreds of writings, books, essays, etc. on classical liberal thought.

Mises Institute
Find dozens of free books, audiobooks, and lectures on libertarian thought from an Austrian school perspective.

The Anarchist Library
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Organizations of Interest
Inclusion on the list is not endorsement. Organizations are listed in no particular order.

The Fire - Foundation for Individual Rights in Education
These people are your friends - they fight for freedom! FIRE is a non-partisan individual rights advocacy group that seeks to defend freedom of speech, legal equality, due process, religious liberty, and sanctity of conscience on American college and university campuses.
Website: http://www.thefire.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TheFIREorg

American Enterprise Institute
The AEI is a nonpartisan public policy research institute. Everything from American politics to international events and beyond.
Website: https://www.aei.org/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/AEIVideos

Learn Liberty
A project of the Institute for Humane Studies, a libertarian non-profit. Learn about economics, public policy, and more.
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Welcome to /liberty/, your board for the discussion of politics, society, news, and the human condition without authoritarianism (fascism, full-on communism, etc). The board's philosophy is simple - welcome all discussion from non-authoritarian viewpoints, light moderation, and most importantly of all fun.

We've seen SJWs, we've seen the far right, and we've seen the far left and we've said no, stop this madness - the moralizing authoritarians who seek to control society and shape it to their whims and test out their vague theories would enslave us just to feel that society was better. At /liberty/ we believe we would be best served by sticking to the path we've been on for so long, that of personal liberty.


See the image - if you make the cut, you'll be right at home on /liberty/. Even if you are an authoritarian (far left or far right), you're welcome to join us - just don't expect to be taken seriously.


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If someone is going to jump off the roof of a tall building, and I restrain him, am I breaching the NAP?

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>You can own a house if you build it

>You can't own your body even though you built it

Come on, it does. Unless that person allowed you to fuck your corpse, of course.

That was pretty simple.



>a dead body owns itself




this xd



A dead body owned itself back when it was still alive, so if a person gives permission (before they die) to do something to their body after they die, that permission is valid.


Whose property is the building and the ground? If it is my property I can stop as many jumpers as I want because I don't want property values to go down, go kill yourself on your own land you fuck. If it is his property it is his right to an hero all he wants and stopping him would be an NAP violation, also stopping him sets precedent for a whole pandora's box of "for your own good citizen" NAP violations

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This thread will contain statist arguments and rebuttals to their claim in a form of links & sources (text can be proved as well as images)

In the platform of.

>[statist argument]

<[answer with link]

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◾Try not to post links to videos that are too long. Stay within a 30 min frame( if needed you can go over).

◾ Avoid posting [PDF] books also. Nobody has time to read that. However, it's still an option.

◾When linking an article make things easier for a person to "get to the point", by providing keys words and shortcuts they can navigate through (Ctrl + F).

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>in scandinavia socialism works

<ppl are wealthy there thanks to not participating in wars and thanks to capitalism (capital accumulation) which was present there in the past https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNtyV0CXfzU


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>But without government, who would help during disasters.



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>Without Government who would certify goods?

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"Anarcho"-capitalism is not real anarchism

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>l-look guys I stole another meme from /pol/!1!1!


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>capitalism was invented

Capitalism is just human nature; how can somebody invent human nature? As an economic viewpoint, the most that needed to be done was to write it down in a coherent manner. Socialism is the one that had to be invented, since it's counter-intuitive economic fan-fiction that goes completely against any sense of normal human action.



>getting gets on a board as slow as this

>implying we care

/leftypol/ confirmed for being children.



>Lol the point is you're not capitalists, you're mercantilists. Capitalism was invented to critique the feudal mercantilism that essentially was anarcho-capitalism.

What kind of bait is that? I hope it's bait. Anyway, this: >>60283


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>Tfw Keynes was a member of not one, but two homosexual death cults

Seriously. Look up the Bloomsbury Group and Cambridge Apostles. Scary shit.



I have seen little to no evidence pointing to them being homosexual death cults…



Being a fan of G.E. Moore makes you both a faggot and a death cultist, in my book.


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Jokes aside: Both had a high number of homosexuals and all-around libertines, they hated traditional values and morality, and supported "progressive" values instead. They were all about subverting society and twisting it for their own gain.


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Well I don't doubt that at all, that's miles off from gay death cults though

> Mfw gay death cults will be met with right wing death squads



>two homosexual death cults

I think you mean three, friend. Keynesian economics is the biggest homosexual death cult of them all.

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You know i had an interesting dialogue with a couple of communist on /leftpol/. I was fully aware of the exploitation theory behind the communist mindset, but i didn't know why I disagreed with it ( to a detailed extent)

And if you don't know what that is its pretty much when the Employer (bousigues) pays his employee less then the value of his labour that he produced.


Bob works for Frank

Bob makes phones

Frank pays Bob $3 dollars for the phones

Frank sells the phones for 5 dollar.

Conclusion: Frank has exploited Bob because Bob didn't get the full value of his labour. That being $2 dollar which is workers surplus.

I had the biggest problem with this conclusion and I didn't know why?

Until I struck me.

There was never a surplus to begin with. Only when the product is stold does the worker claim there is a surplus. And if the product didn't sell that product, then Bob didn't get cheated out, he actually gain something.

Surplus is created by the Seller not the Producer. And since the Seller creates the surplus, he rightfully owns it (that being the profit). Bob actually got paid for what he did, and was not exploited.

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Peasants held significant influence not just for food but also for levies. There is a reason why taxes were lower than today.


Exploitation theory sounds true at first glance which is why I suspect that (in my own experience) that's the argument that introduces most people to communism, but it falls apart upon further inspection.

First we have to examine the premise. According to communists, workers create a product and then the bosses sell that product at a profit, thus "stealing" from the workers. There are issues with this. To begin, if the bosses are adding nothing themselves and it is the labourers who do everything, why do the workers not work for themselves? The answer is, of course, that the bosses often provide something integral to the creation of value (such as the tools necessary for a job). Thus the value of the product produced cannot entirely be attributed to the workers, contrary to what communists believe.

Furthermore, the theory becomes harder to support when you examine a more complicated situation. What about a car being created on a factory line, where multiple workers contributed to the end product? How much is being stolen from each worker? The same? What if some jobs were more important or labor intensive than others? Communists probably couldn't give you an answer, but they'd still allege that the workers were being stolen from.



>[…] from the fact that labor depends on nature it follows that the man who possesses no other property than his labor power

he can sell his lung



Poland, for fucks sake! This is why we call you controlled opposition. Get the fuck out and stay out!


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You forgot to add that "read a book" isn't an argument.

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Before you go: "yet another pedo thread go fuck yourself", Consider the following:

>It's legal to own and distribute videos of people being tortured and killed(including kids) but it's illegal to own pictures of naked little girls making sexy poses.

>it's legal to cut away a part of newborn's penis but it's illegal to give a blowjob to a 15yo boy

>It's legal for 16yos to fuck each other(in some states) but they can be arrested if they record themselves.

>It's legal for 16yo to enlist to the military(potentially getting sent to where they can be killed) but illegal for them to be recorded furing sex.

>it's legal to do porn in general but prostitution is illegal.

Thoughts on this? How do we change it?

(If you don't agree debate me.)

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Off yourself.



lol butthurt




Just like those kids?



Because paedophilia is abnormal. Being heterosexual is normal; it's the default position for humanity. When someone says "person", it's implied that the person is heterosexual, i.e. normal, and so nothing more needs to be said. Only abnormalities need to be explicitly mentioned. For example, if there was a news headline saying "man falls off ladder", you will automatically assume that the man is alive. Being alive is the default state for humans, so it doesn't need to be mentioned. If it was a dead man who fell off a ladder then that would be explicitly mentioned, since being dead is an abnormal state for humans, much like being a paedophile is. As an abnormal state of being, paedophilia, like death, is something that people try to prevent and avoid, and is something that we would eradicate altogether if we were able.

Your kind are not normal, so don't act surprised when people point it out.


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Well /liberty/, what's your excuse for not moving to New Hampshire yet?


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Quite the opposite you fucking liar. Now who's randomly listing off anecdotes?




These accusations have existed for years yet there's literally no evidence to back them up.



I literally just posted proof. Give up, you're making yourself look stupid. I know it must hurt your pathetic follower brain, but it was never the organization that made the Shire, it was the individual movers, and a small number of movers have contributed significantly more than most others.



The Kochs fund virtually all libertarian groups and Republican groups.

Some of those groups hate the Kochs but begrudgingly accept their money anyways (such as the FSP).




I wish I lived in the world that these statists seem to think exists.

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Well, /liberty/?

I bitched about the fact that he's asking artists to be paid in exposure, but we might as well get in on this if we can. I'm thinking we should submit AnCap Grill, but these three fuckers seem to be what we're most known for.


Let the invisible hand of the free-market decide





I like the lamia the best.


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Lamia seems to be the best mixture of ancap-tan and no steppy snek.

Somebody should really give her some sort of gun though, to show /leftypol/ shitposters we mean business.


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>if only you fucking knew.

>we might as well get in on this if we can.

Good fucking luck. He might've changed his political views, but I highly doubt. The fact remains back when the furry spammer kept breaking the site /leftypol/ was one of the first to be fixed. He basically ignored everybody else and helped them first. Although, /pol/ should have been the first to be helped first since they're top board. I guess, don't let this discourage you though.

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is he /ourguy/?


I don't know him. Who is that?



Nick Land




Why should anyone care?

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Besides rejecting the messiah, find a flaw.

If he was a Christian he would be perfect.

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No NeoCons allowed.



>defending usury

>defending communist revolutionaries



Oh my fuck you're serious aren't you



He's too hawkish on ME issues. That has a lot to with him being an israeli citizen and a jew.

Other than that, he's basically a minarchist.



not every usurer is a communist

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>What is your denomination?

>How serious is it for you?

>Who's your biggest religious inspiration?

>How do your political and religious views work together?

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>What is your denomination?

I'll just say it's conservative Protestantism

>How serious is it for you?


>Who's your biggest religious inspiration?

C.S. Lewis

>How do your political and religious views work together?

Pretty well. I was brought up in the Focus on the Family authoritarian craze though and some people in my church still think that way so I get extremely touchy when people start to bring up things like making laws to enforce family values.


>What is your denomination?

Agnostic theism's probably the closest description. I sympathize mostly with Christianity and Taoism, but I'm not chill enough to be a Taoist nor agreeable enough with Christian theology to be one.

>How serious is it for you?

In the sense of my trying to justify what I believe or try to convince others? Not very. In the sense of trying to be spiritual? Still not very, but a bit more.

>Who's your biggest religious inspiration?

Living ones, Tenzin Gyatso/Dalai Lama. I don't agree with everything he says, especially his views on econ, but overall he's a pretty decent guy as far as celebrity religious leaders go. Assuming he's not taqiyya, Imam Tawhidi is trying to reform a religion who would rather see him dead. If that's not the definition of faith, I don't know what is.

As far as dead ones, Aquinas.

>How do your political and religious views work together?

Both are pretty individual-focused.


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Christianity is a cuck religion. I'm an agnostic, but I could fit into Satanism pretty well if I wanted to go the extra mile.


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The Church of Satan is the most cucked religious community on the planet (outside of Sweden). They go out of their way not to make any political statements, and Peter Gilmore even bragged about the fact that they got libertarians, republicans, democrats and os on within their ranks. On the other hand, they practically excommunicate you if you ever land in prison; that's their official policy. Apparently, prison birds are so stupid that their make-belief Satan hates them. But on yet another hand, everything Marilyn Manson does is alright, none of that pisses Satan off. They're dogs with no bite.

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Daily reminder that instead of the joke that was Johnson we could have had an ACTUAL Libertarian representing us in the 2016 election.

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Serves them right. Peterson was very explicit about the fact that he'd become Lord Humungus if Ancapistan became reality. They had it black-on-white that he wasn't a good person.



let's sit around and do nothing while others are voted into power to destroy us




>Not voting is doing nothing

>playing a losing game like a donkey chasing a carrot


Back to /pol/



>losing game

>losing because you sit around on your arse

>back to /pol/

Not an argument, loser.



You and your shit aren't worth an argument, shitstain. Get out.

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