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Aside from having been around forever, the previous thread is autosaging. New year, new thread.

Post the last book you have read. It would be nice if you add a synopsis or review as well, but it's not a requirement. Just seeing a snapshot of what other image-board anons are reading is itself awesome.

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I have not read a book since Highschool and even then I really didnt read. But I finished reading The Wind Up Bird Chronicle and I thought it was good. Werid but good, not many likable characters, my next book is I am going to read is Lord of the Flies.

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<you write horribly. This is like really bad fan-fiction>

<This is terrible, like really bad fan-fiction>

<This appalling fan-fiction is so bad, it's like really bad fan-fiction made love to E.L.James and when the resulting hellspawn vomited, OP ate and regurgitated it onto the page I read.>

While it seems to be insult-for-creative-works de jour, sometimes it is hard to tell whether your critics are right, or whether they're just retards with no talent of their own, so they belittle anyone else. And yet, it isn't an impossible failing to be writing so badly that it sounds like something E.L.James would vomit on a page.

How do you self-critique to avoid this kind of obvious failure? Is it just a numbers game: the more critics, the better evaluation.

The problem I find is that everyone's a writer and no one's a critic. So, for that matter, where do you hang out to get your shit refined?


It's not a numbers game. Sure, when every critic hates your story, then it's almost suredly shit, but if more than half of them hate it while just ten percent absolutely love it, then you might have just created a story that only appeals to people with certain characteristics. If these people are intelligent and virtuous, while the critics are vile creatures, then you did something right. Of course, that's a theoretical scenario, but something like that can happen. Just check out the ratings on rotten tomatoes. You'll frequently find movies that have horrible ratings from critics, but audiences loved them. Why? Because the audience doesn't have an agenda, and because it has a better taste than the college-educated middle-class fuckfaces that think Harry Potter is the pinnacle of worldbuilding. With these movies, you can be sure that they are good.


If the criticism doesn't explain in-detail why the text is utter crap, then the critic's propably are just doing it to prop up their own ego. That doesn't necessarily mean the text isn't utter crap, but that kind of criticism is completely useless for the writer.

My pro tip: stop sucking so much.


>How do you self-critique to avoid this kind of obvious failure? Is it just a numbers game: the more critics, the better evaluation.

Re-reading what you wrote after a month of finishing it. You probably need to write another or take amnesia pills so you have a fresh mind when you read it again.

Otherwise, try to get it critiqued to a random writing workshop and if you get the same feedback, then you might have a problem. It's normal for people not see their own faults and there's a reason why there's a term called hypocrite.



Oh and if it reads like fanfiction, try reading one and see. Your shitty book meter will make you evade such tropes. In other words, you've read a lot of shit that you're tired of it and you instinctively avoid to create such shit yourself.



This is good advice. I started writing because I've read so much crap in my time I just got fed up with not seeing the kind of fiction that I like.

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PDFs, articles, papers, Wikibooks, etc that can't be found in a physical book?



Depends on what you want. You can get by quite well in the humanities with books, but STEM-fags rely on articles too, or so I heard.

Many sources aren't books, and I still don't know how to track them fown exactly. Things like census data, or historical weather records.

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Is anyone else here heavily inspired by historical events? I've noticed that many of the events or characters I write about have historical equivalents of some sort.

On the same topic, how well do anachronisms in sci-fi work, like religious superstitions or hierarchies modeled after ancient times? I've built some of those in, partially with the intention of challenging the view that history is steadily moving forward in the direction of "progress". Fedoraism becomes the state religion, everyone is into sexual liberation, national barriers somehow stop existing except when it's a Cold War allegory, and everyone technobabbles fluently. Also, megacorps. Lots of megacorps. It's extrapolation from what we have now with no turns unless Kurzweil predicted them first.

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>Just transplanting aspects of historical societies and events to completely different setting is lazy and non-sensical. In a future setting it usually seems as if a LARP involving the whole society got out of hand.

Agreed. That's a problem I have with my story, at least with one society. It's supposed to be a kind of feudal society, where cyborgs have become a form of landlords. They offered protection to unmodified people in return for them working on the land, and in time, that just became how society worked. Then they adopted the narrative of the grand Holy Roman Empire, not unlike how the fascists in Italy tried to resemble Rome. Like I said, that's just one society. The primary one in the story has a state that was less voluntarily founded, and closer resembles a mix between modern democracies and empires like Rome.

Also, interesting ideas you have for cultures in generation ships. Nicely shows the principle that ideas have a history, too.



>Then they adopted the narrative of the grand Holy Roman Empire

That does sound awfully like a huge LARP. Even fascist and their ilk did their own thing when it came to organizing the society. Himmler's unrealized SS state might have been something like that, but we will never know how realities of government would have gurbed the knight play-pretend.

If you really want feodalism in a futuristic society, you'd really have to be imaginative about the justification for the manoralism you described. If you manage to come up with a reason why quick movement of people, information and goods, automation and realities of future warfare don't immediatly put stop to decentralization needed for feodalism, you have ingredients to construct an odd culture significantly more interesting robo-HRE.



why would you create a dystopia where everything happens as world owning people wants it to be if we are seeing some very strong, sometimes successfull signs of resistence to it?

unless of course you have already written a plausible progression toward "progress", as you call it.



Thanks for the perspective. Sounds solid to me. I already thought this would be a problem.


Did you mean to link to this >>13122 post?


I shouldn't post when my brain refuses to work. Good God.


>If you really want feodalism in a futuristic society, you'd really have to be imaginative about the justification for the manoralism you described. If you manage to come up with a reason why quick movement of people, information and goods, automation and realities of future warfare don't immediatly put stop to decentralization needed for feodalism, you have ingredients to construct an odd culture significantly more interesting robo-HRE.

Thinking about it, I have a kind of justification, namely that society broke down, people were already organized in (mostly) self-sustaining communes and had a low level of education in general, and they were competing with mutants for resources. It was a fresh start for society, at least in Europe. In the US, the infrastructure was still available and people were less badly messed up, so they could jump much quicker to centralization.

Of course, that still leaves me with the quirk that cyborgs are more available than commercial airlines. I'm thinking of explaining that with some phenomenon that restricts things like airtravel and wireless networks, but I have no idea what would make sense from a technical standpoint and want to make this handwave at least somewhat plausible.

At least I'm not worried about cyborgs being marginalized by other technologies from a military standpoint. In decentralized societies, combat is more personal, or at least starts out this way. The only real competition I see would be unmanned robots or exoskeletons, and at least the former would be shit without wireless.

Thanks for making me think about this. Seriously, thanks anon!


Now I think I get you. I know why people would, to further that resistance. Show people where they're headed so they hit the brakes earlier. Although to some authors, a degeneratPost too long. Click here to view the full text.

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Hello everyone, I am a lazy fatass fuck. It takes me 7 fucking years to write a penny-dreadful, film-script based "novel". And it doesn't matter that it's my full time fucking job, literally the only thing I'm required to do, or that I jack off at 67 years of age by taking bum fuck vacations all over the world to live off the prestige of my now stagnate series that I can't fucking finish, that I'm constantly giving interviews and bullshit for the industry, and that I'm writing OTHER books that literally no one gives a fuck about. That's right, I'm not writing for the series that is the sole reason for all my fame and which everyone wants, no, I write other books that are truly shit and no one gives a fuck about. And when those that gave me all this money call me out on this shit, the best I can do is twiddle my fat fingers, flip them off and then whine on my blog about how ashamed I am of being a lazy fatass fuck. Oh, did I mention that I waste time playing videogames? I have all this responsibility, I'm 67 fucking years old and I waste time playing videogames, because that's really going to get the job done and get all these people off my back. Did I mention I'm a lazy fatass fuck?

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Never change, anon.



Are we sure this is OP?


It needs to exist so that OP can rant

But, didn't GrrM publish the book OP wanted released some time recently?


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>be tolkien

>17 years between Hobbit and first lotr book

>publish all three books within a year

Not sure that necessarily holds true in all cases

Yes, I know LotR should really be considered all one book cuz he wrote the whole thing in one go but his publisher refused to publish a 1,000 page book even though these days if your fantasy book is less than 1,000 pages you're obviously not wanting to be published.




>though these days if your fantasy book is less than 1,000 pages AND part of a trilogy you're obviously not wanting to be published.


just joking pretty sure you are right as is

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Was Holden Caulfield a spoiled brat? I entirely read the book The Catcher in the Rye a few years ago, so I vaguely remember it.

Quote from Family Guy:

All I've done is try to be nice to you, and you still don't like me. How can you not like me? \n Okay. I'll tell you. \n You are the worst person I know. \n You constantly hit on your best friend's wife. \n The man pays for your food and rescued you from certain death, and this is how you repay him? \n And to add insult to injury, you defecate all over his yard. \n And you're such a sponge. You pay for nothing. \n You always say, "Oh, I'll get you later." \n But later never comes. \n And what really bothers me, is you pretend you're this deep guy who loves women for their souls when all you do is date bimbos. \n Yeah, I date women for their bodies, but at least I'm honest about it. \n I don't buy them a copy of Catcher in the Rye and then lecture them with some seventh grade interpretation of how Holden Caulfield is some profound intellectual. \n He wasn't. He was a spoiled brat. \n And that's why you like him so much… he's you. \n God, you're pretentious! \n And you delude yourself by thinking you're some great writer, even though you're terrible. \n You know, I should have known Cheryl Tiegs didn't write me that note. \n She would have known there's no "a" in the word "definite." \n And I think what I hate most about you is your textbook liberal agenda, how we should "Legalize pot, man," how big business is crushing the underclass, how homelessness is the biggest tragedy in America. \n Well, what have you done to help? \n I work down at the soup kitchen, Brian. \n Never seen you down there. \n You want to help? Grab a ladle! \n And, by the way, driving a Prius doesn't make you Jesus Christ. \n Oh, wait, you don't believe in Jesus Christ, or any religion for that matter, because "Religion is for idiots." \n Well, who the hell are you to talk down to anyone? \n You failed college twice. \n Which isn't nearly as bad as your failure as a father. \n How's that son of yours you never see? \n But you know what? I could forgive all of that, all of it, if you weren't such a bore. \n That's the worst of it, Brian. \n You're just a big, sad, alcoholic bore. \n (exhales) \n Well, see ya, Brian. \n Thanks for the (bleep) steak.



what has the quote to do with the catcher in the rye?



No, what does this thread have to do with Catcher in the Rye?

Here was me coming in here looking for a good debate on this …



wanna discuss catcher in the rye anyway?

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Old thread >>5000 is at the bump limit, so I'm making a new one.

"A /lit/ board without a writing thread is worse than useless."

Aspirant authors, tell me of your work.

Feel free to post excerpts or general ideas and don't hesitate to critique someone (especially if you want a critique of your own work in return).

To start it off, here's my post about what I'm working on from the previous thread: >>12848

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If your story sucks, then why don't you make it better?

For real. Find a source of inspiration. Widen your horizon. My own story started out as the protagonist walking around fighting the Villain of the Week while being depressed because he has no gf. By now, it incorporates themes of social degeneration, nobility, the pursuit of happiness and others.

Your own personal demons may be helpful, for once. If there was some injustice that happened to you, try to come to terms with it within your story. If there is some fascinating insight you had, try to work it in. Ever wanted to leave home and live in the wilderness? Work that shit in, and also ask yourself why you didn't do it and if you regret it.



Here's a thought: structure it as History in vain of Livy of Thucydides, esp. Livy, where you give great men their shine. Livy is an annalistic historian basing it on dates of each successive consulship. The second way of approaching it is writing from each character's perspective and presenting the work as an agglomeration of different primary sources. The third way is to do the same as the second and write them as short stories or novellas for each character.



*in the vein


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with illustrations like that, I kinda feel like copious stats for characters and events are what you're really missing at this point tbh fam. Reader enjoyment would likely increase by up to 38.8%


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Come on guys. You can't tell me that me and Oreo-and-Trielle-Kun are the only ones working on large, autistic projects.

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Why is this board so dead?

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personally i think that part of the problem is that here we haven't reached critical mass.

if someone makes an OP like " i've just read X, what do you think about it?", it will likely go down the catalog. but if nobody else here has read it…



why doesn't he just eat her and mop the floor afterwards?

your lack of imagination is very childish and pedantic.



For short stories and movies it seems to me more likely that someone would follow publications and festivals as much as authors. Because there are many of these, it should be no surprise that only rarely is a short better than all the others.


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>seriously though, too little users.

You mean we're all too small? While I can't speak for everyone here, but I'm pretty normal-sized. Gotta say, that's a fairly bizarre suggested explanation.


Unfortunately, OP, the explanation is pretty much this >>12686

>Imageboards were never big on non-visual arts at the start.


>Discord groups are replacing imageboards

And I will never understand why. For a people traditionally tech-savvy and furiously security- and particularly privacy-conscious, this would seem an absurdly counter-intuitive move.

Aint discord the ones who basically own all the chats and datamining it for marketing companies? Now, not that hiroshimoot didn't already do this, but at least at this stage we don't know Jim's up to that. But I digress.

>recent /mlpol/ launch

HAD NO IDEA … so, what … it's /pol/ for children? or 35yos living in their mother's basement who get daily abused by her boyfriend who love ponies for some perverse reason

Or is it actual politics discussion instead of the enormous idiot echo-chamber that /pol/ has become? Or is it just cartoon horse porn for nazis?



Clearly because he didn't have time for lunch before his 4 o'clock with the bankers threatening to foreclose on his business because he had to get her death acknowledged and her will processed before it.

Your lack of appreciation for just how busy his day is going to get is quite inconsiderate and shameful.

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What's a good lightweight or minimalist writing program for Windows? Shit like MS Word and LibreOffice Writer are so bloated.

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If you can wrap your head around the keybindings, vim isn't a bad choice. Make sure you use vim rather than vi, though, because vim has the 'v'isual function, which will allow you to manipulate blocks of text. That's the central function that I use vim for: the ability to grab sections, cut them, and paste them without moving my hands from the keyboard. You can also split the console window, much like with emacs, which is useful if you want to compare drafts.

Also vim (for Windows, at least) comes with a tutorial, whereas with emacs you have to download the documentation separately, a trademark "fuck you" to the consumer courtesy of the GNU project.



Nope, Emacs has a built-in tutorial as well (very similar to vimtutor), plus a ton of documentation that's extremely well-integrated with the text editor and couldn't be provided separately even if you wanted to.

The full manual isn't included because it's a pretty long book. But the manual isn't the only documentation. Emacs is self-documenting.

That said, Vim is alright too. Although Neovim might better.



It's got all you need.

More than you need actually.

You only need Notepad.



It does? Shit, I had to basically teach myself how to use it by googling all of my questions. Out of curiosity, how do you access said tutorial? Because I was hanging out with a bunch of emacs users for a long time and not one of them even hinted at its existence.



The "Emacs Tutorial" button near the top of the startup screen, or control+h t.

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I think i live like an animal. Do you know what im talking about when i say "the voice"? It is that voice that tells you you probably should go to bed now, or stop browsing porn, or brush your teeth, or start writing.

I mostly just ignore it. Do you listen to your voice /lit/? What is the voice? Is it our sanity?


"The voice" is a rather apt metaphor for the way that a lot of people think. You probably subvocalize, which is a fancy word which is used to describe "reading aloud" in your head. Not everyone does this, so the metaphor of "the voice" is alien to certain people. I know an autistic man who "thinks" with images and mathematical equations moreso than with words. When I asked him if he subvocalizes, he said that he was unable to answer the question because he wasn't sure if he does this normally but he was certain that he was doing it immediately after I asked him, which is the telltale sign that he doesn't do it normally.

There's a rather interesting essay published in book format by the late Julian Jaynes called "The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind" which puts forth the theory that, as recently as three thousand years ago, it wasn't uncommon at all for people to literally hear voices in their heads in the same way that schizophrenics do, and that these voices were the method by which the right brain of humans communicated with the left brain and thereby the mechanism by which people made decisions. The book further states that there are perfectly sane people living today who still hear such voices, and who might take advice from them. It's quite an interesting read and I highly recommend it. It's only too bad that the author died before he could write his follow-up. In answer to your question, it might be our sanity, but more likely it's our subconscious letting us in on little pieces of what it's been thinking about and trying to help us make wise decisions without overwhelming us with all of the information that our brains have to process.

I don't literally hear voices, but I do have "a voice." The way I explained it to my autistic friend is that I think in silent conversations with myself. This is especially apparent when I've been drinking, during which time I sometimes write lengthy messages to other people which amount to conversations directed at myself rather than at them. For the large part I try to take its advice, but I find it difficult to bring it on in the long term, meaning that my voice often helps me in short-term decision-making but that I struggle to follow along with it, much to its dismay.

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It would be unusual to find it saying something coherent. Mostly it reinforces fear and boredom.



yes, i do, most of the time.

is it because i'm istj?



Do you get shit done?



it wasn't always the case, but i do. feels strange writing it, but it's true.. in about a couple of years i made some very substantial changes for the better in my life and contributed in making a couple of people i care about doing the same. of course i had some help, some very good advices, a few good reads, and some good luck, of course.

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What books have you reread the most often?

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come to think of it. i re read once or twice, wilde's the happy prince. it's one of the things my mom used to read to me and my brothers before sleeping.


None. So far every book I've read was read once. The works of Dostoyevsky are very appealing to read multiple times and am procrastinating my second readthrough of Crime and Punishment with other literary works. Maybe when I'm done with Moby-Dick I'll read C&P again … maybe.


I very rarely reread books. On the one hand, I'm disappointed in myself for this, because on a second reading a book often contains a lot of little tidbits that you don't notice the first time around. On the other hand, I know that I'm not going to appreciate a book as much on the surface level if I already know its conclusion.

There are a few books that I've read more than once. More than I thought at first, but less than you'd think.

The Sherlock Holmes series, which I find interesting because I like to examine the personality of Holmes. I occasionally pick that up and read random pieces of it over again.

His Majesty's Dragon, which is the American title of the first book in the Temeraire series, which I've read three times because I like the way the titular Temeraire speaks. For context, his character is not human and asks a lot of questions about human society that Captain Laurence, the other protagonist, has a hard time understanding; I enjoy thinking about these questions, which is part of why I love this series.

The other one is Lovecraft's fiction, which I've reread with astonishing frequency and I don't actually know why. I think it's because Lovecraft uses horror as a device to really dig deeply into a character's psychology, and it was Lovecraft's fiction that made me realize that I love stories that delve deep into the mind of the protagonist and really dirty themselves with the details of the characters' darkest fears.

Finally, there's The Hobbit, which I've read at least five times, mostly because it used to be my favorite book but also because it's a distinctive gem in the fantasy genre, which in recent years has become monochrome and stale in comparison. I love fantasy and it makes me want to cry when I browse the fantasy section of book stores and I see how bland and tasteless the genre has become.


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Readread The Master and Margarita last month - after last reading it when it came out in its first English translation in the 70s … ummm bit disappointing to tell the truth. In memory it had been closer to the Faust legend, whereas its absurdist qualities to my mind detracted from its meaning. Like The Magus (John Fowles) or much of Herman Hesse of more or less the same period, the disconnected and inexplicable jumping in narrative to create a sense of the arcane becomes wearing with greater familiarity.

I guess more than a third of my reading is rereading as it gives me insight into the changing social milieu of the times and also my own different response into how my own perspectives develop.

Do bedside fap books count? - I always preferred novels like Burroughs Soft Machine (Corgi edition) to mags. Now its .avi porn …


I've read Lolita three times and Lord of the Flies twice. That is about it really for actual books. There are about a dozen fanfiction stories (not "one-shots") that I've read 5-10 times.

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Is it wrong to read prose adaptions of epic poems?

because that's what I've been doing.


Original language (or at least earliest surviving written version) or bust.


Does anyone please have a pdf of Gilgamesh in cuniform?



i once had my high school teacher taking me and my class to a theater where an actor read some excerpts of the odyssey in prose. it was very much meh. i was even handed a booklet with the "translation". honestly confronting the two versions, i didn't see much of a difference or a need for it.

but how could actors eat if teachers didn't force their pupils to see their pointless, uninspired work?

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>shits on philosophy, yet constantly engages in it at the same time

What did he mean by this?

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That's not a strawman, it's a reductio ad absurdum.



Lol, no. It's not a strawman because scientism is exactly what it says on the tin–that the only verifiable knowledge is that which we can obtain through the scientific method. It completely undermines itself once you realize that falsifiability itself, or even the principles that scientism espouses, are unfalsifiable.



But you just put everything you don't like in a blender.

Empiricism says that there are no a priori truths, but that those we consider them as such are determined by senses (and rationalism that there are a priori thuths.) Choosing one over another depends only on what you consider a priori and what empirical.

Scientism is a name for loosely connected attempts to explain behavior without taking knowledge of certain subjective information as a priori, mainly that of internal states and meaningfulness. Even though these approaches have had little success on a large scale, we predict others' behavior in some cases using generalisations, or guessing feelings based on external appearances alone.

Positivism is the one that says only scientific knowledge is meaningful, and it's weird because you need both (presumably meaningless) logical and sense information for science.


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First, it doesn't matter. Positivism and scientism are so heavily intertwined, there's no sense drawing a sharp line between them. They're also both subsets of empiricism. All three of the positions you described suffer from the same fault, too, namely that they are self-defeating.

Second, the guy I (and the other anon, there were two of us) replied to wasn't exactly precise himself. Whether he's an empiricist, a scienticist or a positivist was impossible to tell from his inane comment.You can't hit the bullseye when the shooting range gives you a geographical map of Bolivia instead of a proper target.


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enjoy your wading in meaninglessness and suicidal depression


Sick, but true, and I am sorry to ruin this book for y'all, but Chris really wrote what he knew and it was weird feelings about his mother and his sister because it was the only poonani he ever saw and he was 15-18 and still lives at home probably to this day. Firnen and Brom are his dad characters, aka Kenneth. Arya is his sister aka Angela and Safira I and II are his mom, Talita. Murtagh is Chris' fantasy alter life where he is normal and has a 'big sword' like daddy. Some funky shit went down in Paradise Valley. I feel sorry for him more than anything. Also, poor Chris realizes his dad was a cuck by Iormúngr. Good luck Chris, at least you have money.

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What the fuck lmao.

I remember reading Eragon years ago (5? 7? 10?) and it was about a human guy finding a dragon friend and falling for an elven chick iirc. Doesn't sound incestuous to me.



i never took the time to tell you, anon, how much i liked this reply. sorry if i'm late.


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This is now an armchair Freudian psychoanalysis thread?



He means Paolini was so creatively bankrupt he made a pastiche of his worthless personal lives' characters without scrubbing away his adolescent ideas about their bodies, social standing, and behaviors.


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