87185b No.1260
I'm a fairly normal dude. I have a job, and an apartment, and a fiance. I live in a nice city and have a pretty good life.
I've been checking out the MGTOW scene for about a week now, and I keep having the same question come to mind: Why do you maintain such venom towards women?
I dig that y'all are jaded and have been fucked over. Many of you have enormous philosophical misgivings with the inherent unfairness of the system. All of us have been burned in the past. Some of us are going to be again.
Going your own way seems like it would necessitate leaving behind that hatred though. Lose the dead weight. So much of the MGTOW community isn't walking your own path, it's looking back and bitching about how things aren't how you want. It is pretty fucking unmanly. Feminists do the exact same thing and seem just as weak for it.
06eab9 No.1261
>>1260MGTOW means not getting married, and not putting yourself in a vulnerable position with the state and women. I can't not speak for most MGTOW, because I came to these realizations at a very early age, so I haven't had the opportunity to be burned, so I have no reason to harbor resentment, but sadly this isn't true for most MGTOW. This doesn't excuse anything, but I can see where some of the hatred is coming from, to have your child(ren) taken from, becoming a alimony/child support slave, having your live destroyed and not having the ability to build anything back up, and then learning that this is more common then you think, and your wife was probably planing this from the beginning, I can see why you would be upset. I will submit that some MGTOW like Sandman are both harmful to the philosophy and are unwilling to move pass any resentment they have towards women, and they just as bad as the bluepillers, but instead of giving women positive attention, they give them negative attention, two sides of the same coin, and they use the banner MGTOW to give them a platform. So please, don't think MGTOW is about hating women.
Good luck with your fiance and all that shit, may you beat the odds.
06eab9 No.1262
>>1261take out 'not' from "I can't not speak for"
906954 No.1263
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>Why do you maintain such venom towards women?
you're asking the wrong people.
want to know why anyone hates women? ask feminists.
69e394 No.1264
Caring so much what other people think that I police my own feelings sounds unpleasant. I'd much rather do whatever makes sense to me and assume that because I am a man it must be something a man would do.
>Lose the dead weight.
I did. You are dead weight.Your opinions are dead weight. Your are telling me to 'lose the dead weight' by strapping an elephant carcass to my back. No thanks.
>Feminists… weak.
:^)
906954 No.1265
>>1264I want to change my answer to this.
anyone who acts "so perplexed" as to why any man might be angry at injustice is just a future mgtow who will need to be burned BAD.
43232f No.1268
I mostly agree with
>>1261.
Some amount of antipathy towards women is to be expected among the MGTOW because some of them have just been burned by bad relationships with women. With most MGTOW this settles over time. Time is a healer and over time people tend to focus on the positive things in their life.
However, there are some MGTOW who do spend an unhealthy amount of time wallowing in their bitterness and hatred of women. This is not healthy and this will not contribute to self improvement at all. Talking about your mistakes and negative experiences is cathartic. However being perpetually stuck in that negativity is not cathartic at all.
Again Like
>>1261 said. Living your life for acceptance from women not healthy. Going from that extreme to the other extreme of living in your life with hatred of women as the theme of your life is just as unhealthy.
Hopefully sensible MGTOW learn to realize this and focus on self improvement.
708b5a No.1270
Many mgtows have been burned, by women or the system or both.
I personally have no problem with women and am a stanch egalitarian: I wish everyone freedom to do and be what they are, just as long as they don't inhibit others.
>It is pretty fucking unmanly
>unmanly
Oooh your a shill, never mind, will stop arguing here. Word for the wise: unmanly is just gynocentrism at its best, "unmanly" is used to control men, to make men die for women and society: mgtows give not a fuck about what is "unmanly". The second you use the word "unmanly" mgtows stop listening.
8bee32 No.1275
>>1270OP. Thanks for the last bit of advice. Not shilling, just trying to grasp the mindset of the community. You guys have some good ideas, but I think there's a lot of negativity that clouds things.
Is the "manliness is a tool of women" concept set in stone? I disagree, but I'm not sure anyone gives a fuck, seeing as I'm an outsider.
06eab9 No.1276
>>1275>Is the "manliness is a tool of women" concept set in stone?no, it doesn't mean you can't be masculine, it applies when being a man means you have to do something you don't want i.e. Chivalry. Women are aware that men have very fragile egos, and they try to exploit them via attacking their egos. Bluepillers use this method of control too, and that is why we disregard any arguments that use "real men" or "man up."
254e6e No.1277
OP you are misunderstanding this. MGTOW is not about beeing a crybaby because of feminism screwed women.
It's about realizing you don't need a woman to be content or happy. It's about not letting society or anyone enslave you. It's about freedom. This is also why we are not compatible with /pol/. They are against freedom, we are not.
Also in the rap scene there is this saying "money over bitches" and it implies you can either chase women or money/success but you can't have both in the long term. Most rappers chase the money/success and end up having more female attention than anyone would imagine (even after rapping misogynist stuff).
/mgtow/ should be more about men's issues and not about women. I don't like the amount of female nature threads we currently have. We should centralize them in 1 thread (and also 1 Thread for youtube videos and 1 thread recommended for movies/video games) instead of a new thread every week. This would leave better structure for actual mgtow discussion (business&investment, fitness, hobbies other than media) and people would not see us as r9k 2.0
600965 No.1279
I can only speak for myself OP but honestly, I truly did have unresolved maternal issues. I've spent several months now, engaged in regular mindfulness meditation sessions and Gurdjieff's Fourth Way where I passively self-observe my thought patterns, emotional reactions and breathing.
I found that deep within my unconscious, I saw my mother and by affiliation, the female collective as "absolute". They are the ones that determine my value and worth. They are the gatekeepers to eternal paradise so when I wondered why I wasn't being dated, the question I was actually asking was "Why has God forsaken me?". Then I see that God has not only abandoned me but also that God accepts "sinners" into paradise. My self-pity transformed into a deep resentment but of course, I didn't want to acknowledge that I resented them because means admitting that I care so I suppressed all feelings related to them, consequently becoming more null, static and apathetic.
I doubt many MGTOWs actually have these issues. Most of them seemed to have just gotten fucked, hard. I for one, will be embracing a peaceful existence where I pursue my hobbies. I'm not particularly avoiding marriage, if someone great comes along, that's great. I'm just aware that my hobbies are of a mostly solitary nature so I don't expect it to come my way.
906954 No.1281
let's also not forget: many of the problems men face are not just "minor inconveniences" which can be ignored. a lot of this shit is systemic and persistent. a lot of the injustice we face is ever present in our day to day lives.
you can't "move on" from it. you can only become numb to it.
4ff139 No.1293
Feminism is about ending traditional gender role obligations for women, but gives no fucks about ending thoughs roles for men, in fact they want to keep men as the slaves of society and elevated women to freedom. MGTOW is to fix that, we focus on men, on freeing men, we give no fucks about women, let women go their own way, they got feminism to help them do that! If only the feminist were not hell bent on enslaving men we could each mutually destroy traditionalism together, but alas we need to fight each other.
4ff139 No.1294
>>1279Jesus fuck man, pussy is not THAT great!
Also the chances someone "great" comes along are nill, the chances that someone comes along that will take advantage of your love is higher. Accept those chances, focus on your hobbies, if someone comes along keep her at arms length, don't let your emotions blind you.
62f368 No.1315
>>1260Your probably hearing from divorced vets regarding fem vitriol. Though fem nature does need to be analyzed because no one else decides to do it.
000000 No.1317
ANGER IS THE ONLY RATIONAL (GAME THEORY) RESPONSE TO ABUSE AND BETRAYAL.
WHERE ALL POSSIBLE ANGRY RESPONSES ARE DANGEROUS TO SELF ONE NEEDS MUST BIDE ONE'S TIME, ERGO:
MGTOW
as far as why etc, do some homework first and indicate you've put in at least one half hour in divers mgtow research. mention a few things. show you really care, you pussy licker of a human being
000000 No.1318
>>1294OP KICKS IT. HE IS A MEN'S RIGHTS FORUM MGTOW:
THE ONLY WAY HE WANTS TO GO IS DOWN
000000 No.1319
6ab9a3 No.1636
'Cause they are evil and retarded, because (most-if-not-all) aren't connected to their higher reasoning center (as in not mind controlled by the state) and not connected to the intelligence of their heart (spirit). They are stuck in hell(body) and aren't even good at sex because they've been repressing it their whole life. (being asexual to manipulate men) Therefore lacking TRINITY (body, mind, spirit) they lack wisdom, self love, and the ability to nurture correctly.
Anger is a gift.
906954 No.1642
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because anger is an energy.
twats and manginas fear our anger, because they know what a motivated man can do against injustice.
the free ride is ending soon.
62ea6f No.1644
> I've been checking out the MGTOW scene for about a week now, and I keep having the same question come to mind: Why do you maintain such venom towards women?
Hi. Please view this video, of the industrial-strength crazy, that is the Modern Woman, then ask your question again:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fDCKp25Mk28
62ea6f No.1645
>>1642
The strongest bargaining position is walking away from negotiations. This is what MGTOW represents.
This is why women, and their mangina pawns, are scared.
877705 No.1646
>>1644
To not have disgust for them is to not have any sense of judgement.
d27c21 No.1659
We don't have that, we have nothing fuck this world.
33bda3 No.2298
>>1260
Distance and time provides and excellent time to re-evaluate your perspective on gender relationships.
I have only recently understood that I have been a MGTOW for 4 years. Believe me, its a better life than girlfriends/ex-fiancés, particularly with the increased risk for men to fund women's lifestyles with a state written cheque.
I'm just being honest with myself about relationships in the same way anyone would view a pragmatic business transaction.
As a little pro-tip, get your hands on the study which reveals that 80% of women get married or cohabitate 'for the money'.
I don't assume women are bad, I simply assume they are rational human beings but I'm clinical in ensuring that what the say matches their actions and that there is a track record to that effect.
To date I have found that the overwhelming majority of women want a nice life with someone else paying the bill an are quite willing to be dishonest in their intentions (continuously) to get it.