/mgtow/ - Men Going Their Own Way

>assigned gender roles

Except those assigned gender roles have been shit from the very beginning.

Lets recap what those rules were.

- Men go out and slog all day bring the bacon home

- Men go out and die in wars to protect your homeland whenever required

- Men treat women like princesses even when they are bitches

- Men, in return for all this get the nominal title of 'Head of the Family' which always was a joke. If you've ever had grandparents and seen grandma and grandpa and the dynamics of their relationship, you would know this was a joke

- Women get to sit at home

- They cooked, reared children, two of the easiest things in life.

So, traditionalism always was fucked up. No wonder the whole thing is falling apart.

>>1796

>Let us not use our intelligence

>Let us all be creatures of instinct

This is a brilliant plan.

Traditionalism existed under gynocentrism. Due to feminism we've moved beyond a gynocentric society into a gynonormative one.

Gynocentrism and Gynonormativism

Gynocentrism is the practice of placing women's safety, comfort and general well-being at the center of social or political concern, and structuring life in the objective service of such interests. It extends no further than that, and would NOT include placing the feminine point of view at the center of one's worldview. That is to say, gynocentrism does not violate the boundary of inner space by requiring a person (male in particular) to think and feel a certain way. In sum, gynocentrism is not totalitarian.

Gynonormativism goes the extra step. Using gynocentrism as a foundation, gynonormativism prioritizes the feminine point of view hierarchically within the culture, on both a political and interpersonal level, and pressures males in particular to adopt a feminine system of values as a component of one's authentic personality. In this manner, gynonormativism is totalitarian. We would understand feminism as a gynonormative project, while acknowledging that it could not have come into operation without a preexisting base of gynocentricity in the traditional culture.

Gynonormativization is integral to the establishment of female supremacy.

From: http://countersnippets.blogspot.com/2013/01/gynocentrism-and-gynonormativism.html

>>1810

Why would SJWs use the terms gynocentrism and gynonormativism? Do you think they want men to consider the meanings of these words?

>>1822

They're just words with definitions. Don't be afraid. If you don't like them, don't use them - just like SJWs don't use them.

>>1809

I must admit I just got to know about Gynonormativism. However what you say makes sense.

Traditionalism and Gynocentrism went hand in hand. Traditionalism broke down in the modern world but Gynocentrism paved the way for Gynonormativism which is an essential component of modern feminism.

This has transformed marriage from the raw deal that it always was for men into slavery

>>1849

>This has transformed marriage from the raw deal that it always was for men into slavery.

By design.

We're lucky enough now to be able to opt out by choice. But if MGTOW reaches a critical mass, the govt will be forced to deal with us harshly.

So I'm not in favor of promoting MGTOW at all costs because blue pill plantation men keep us relatively off the radar.

>>1799

"Every error, of whatever kind, is a consequence of degeneration of instinct, disgregation of will: one has thereby virtually defined the bad. Everything good is instinct – and consequently easy, necessary, free." – Nietzsche

prove him wrong.

protip: you can't

>>1854

instinct says to treat women like special snowflake princesses. doing this will set you up for an especially messy, and easily avoidable family court raping.

wrongness: proven. come back when you have some original thoughts.

>>1855

>instinct says to treat women like special snowflake princesses.

lol

No, it was radical elitists who promoted feminism to undermine the family. Traditionalism resisted this but has been beat out in the mainstream. Traditionalists had control of a household and made decisions for their women. Women against equal suffrage stated that they didn't need to vote because their spouse would represent them. Feminists pushed for equal voting and other equal "rights" which took the power away from the man with various reforms that have accrued over time. As you may know, women vote liberal predominantly across all ages. Also, in a vote of man vs. a woman in an "equal" household, there is no way to resolve the conflict - besides maybe divorce - unless the man's vote trumps. Traditionalism rightly put women up on a pedestal because they did have to sacrifice some of the autonomy that feminists have in order to have the greater good of a family, and they also endured great pains like childbirth, which men appreciated them for enduring. But now like Satan they state "non serviam", "we will not serve", and so there is rebellion and confusion in the households throughout the land as women have been "empowered" unto the destruction of their own family or potential family…

>>1794

When traditionalism is "post-revolutionary bourgeoise customs", no wonder you find it retarded. However, if you compare it with the "horrible" "dark ages":

>- Men go out and slog all day bring the bacon home

while women do all the boring menial routine crap at home - which they're psychologically more suited to do to begin with

>- Men go out and die in wars to protect your homeland whenever required

while women keep shit going at home (again, the nurturing/upkeeping function)

>- Men treat women like princesses even when they are bitches

>it actually used to be expected to beat your wife into obedience (bitches = sin, remember christfags?) and reward her for being obedient for her dependency on her man

>- Men, in return for all this get the nominal title of 'Head of the Family' which always was a joke. If you've ever had grandparents and seen grandma and grandpa and the dynamics of their relationship, you would know this was a joke

you really should read the old testament - it was expected that you stone misbehaving children and wives to death - the resources in the desert were scarce and they couldn't fuck around to integrate anti-social scum

>- Women get to sit at home

like the rest of your property

>- They cooked, reared children, two of the easiest things in life.

and that's why they had barely any rights

Things have gone very wrong for a very long time now, and mostly in the heads - what we see are the long term symptoms of a chronic civilizational dementia.

>>2691

What is your argument? That the old times sucked? no shit! The woman's place was to make babies and the man placed was to die for his family, his tribe and his king.

Feminist claim marriage enslaved women, MRAs claim marriage enslaves men, clearly it's all relative! Marriage its self traps both in a social contract, and that contract can be mighty restrictive to one or both gender depending on the time and place.

Thankfully today women are free to do as they want, and so are men, we don't need to care for a woman anymore, we don't need to die for them anymore, we can go our own way.

The whole history.

>>2623

These litists have freed me as far as i'm concerned. Probably another experiment gone wrong, like the LSD flood in the sixties, they thought a drug is a drug and never thought it could actually raise the IQ, soon replaced it with heroine and cocaine, but the paste was already out of the tube. Smartphones with cameras everywhere probably another failure, hard to bring in a police state with that. Maybe the conspiracy is actually good.