/mgtow/ - Men Going Their Own Way

An individual mgtow here speaking my own opinion.

While I don't believe that procreation is my responsibility or that I have any obligation to ensure the survival of my race, I am not opposed to those wpeople who hold value in their race for whatever reason. For those people, I recommend to promote reproductive technologies such as artificial womb.

From my casual browsing of /pol/ they seem to believe in all or nothing scenario. It is either aryan wife, family the whole deal or nothing. If you stick to that, then its difficult. If you are willing to make use of technology and preserve your gene pool while waiting for ideal condition to rejuvenate your race in full , then you can use the solution I said

MGTOW has no 'official' stance on procreation. It's neither encouraged nor discouraged, and individual choices are being respected. The only points that matter from a MGTOW perspective are marriage and long term cohabitation.

If you dig around the community a bit, you'll find plenty of single fathers, or even divorced men who care a lot for their children. And even among the younger ones, there are many who want children, just not the relationship with a woman that comes attached.

>>2216

>artificial womb

This is our best hope, but as long as it does not exist, it IS your responsibility toward your community. You do not appeared one day by chance, you exist because a group of people wanted life to prevail. Unless we are overpopulated, it is your moral responsibility, and it should be your legal one to make the chain unbroken.

To be more exact, it is women responsibility to have kids, because they are the ones who actually make them, but raising a child is not free and I don't think that you want to pay for someone else kids and it is not fair to get a part of the community living in poverty raising 5 kids while you enjoy life. The only other option is the end of our world, but it was my question.

You may not want it, you may find it unfair, but you are born as a part of a community that existed for millenniums because of sacrifices and you are expected to act like it.

There is more diversity in /pol/ than in any real or virtual place I ever been. Some are close minded autists, most are not. I am fine with fags couples having babies with lesbian couples, yet I am part of /pol/.

>>2217

From what I understand, it is mostly men going their way after having kids and young daydreaming.

How many kids do you usually have?

How do you think young men should make kids?

Who will raise them? Who will pay for them?

>>2219

Your questions of how and who do not have answers provided by mgtow philosophy. These are all personal issues foe each individual to decide.

Though, I have to admit that there seems to be a yet unsolved problem with how exactly a mgtow can have a child. Surrogacy isn't legal everywhere, artificial wombs are still science fiction, divorces still award custody to mothers, so yeah, it's still up for debate at this point, and all insight is appreciated.

But to get to the bottom of your concerns, at least as I see them, I think your worldview will be in conflict with the subset of mgtow who actively desire a societal collapse. By what you're saying you seem to be of the belief that western society can still be fixed, while this subset of mgtow asserts that this fix can only come after a more total breakdown of societal norms. In other words they say that it has to get a lot worse before it can get better.

Still, there are also those who are actively fighting this process (on the more MRA side of things).

>>2220

>Your questions of how and who do not have answers provided by mgtow philosophy.

Okay, I know the deal, it is the same thing than with islam. Just tell me how everyone is doing it.

>mgtow (…) actively desire a societal collapse

I think I have my answer.

I tough of leeching money to the state instead of hardworking my way in life to make this shit unsustainable but it seem that it just make it harder for the average guy and even if the state collapse, it does not mean that thing will be better after. Still, wanting this oppression to stop is not the same thing than wanting your country, culture and blood being changed by african/mexican ones.

>it's still up for debate at this point, and all insight is appreciated.

Where is the thread?

>>2219

MGTOW are right now a very microscopic fraction of the population. A lot of men are shunning marriage without even having the word MGTOW, because marriage right now is shitty for men. My point is MGTOW is too small to make an impact one way or the others.

Whichever the race in question, it is dying out for reasons other than MGTOW. This is why you are better of fixing the real problems you face rather than focus on MGTOW because MGTOW is too small to make an impact to be a problem.

Reproductive technology is not yet advanced enough but this is also the reason why you should be pouring resources in to accelerate this process. Let me put it this way. Low Birth rates are a disease. Reproductive Technology could be one of the cures. This is why a lot of effort, much more than what is present today should be put into develop this technology

Remember smallpox pre vaccine and post vaccine? Reproductive Technology could do the same for racial survival

>>2222

Hmm I got quads.

>>2221

>mgtow (…) actively desire a societal collapse

That's an oversimplification of what I said. I also mentioned that there is a faction of mgtow that is against this. There are plenty who want what's best for their people, it's just the methods to get there that are being argued about.

>Where is the thread?

Currently, most mgtow discussion is centered around various youtube channels, not on chans. There are discussions in comment sections, streams, and video replies going back and forth on various issues. It's not a very large movement, only the growth is remarkable.

>>2222

You get a point and a quad. We have other priorities. Still, in time of crisis, every little bit count, and we are in time of crisis.

Marriage and kids are two different things today. None of us will be married, but

Conservatives are already mobilised against the idea of renting a womb, and LGBTATGS are busy pushing marriage and adoption. No politician will ever send money in the incubation tube and they are the one who control public spending.

Like anon said, it is still science fiction, so no private organisation will invest money in it.

It will not come before a long time, and even then it will take more time to become common. Japan and South Korea are the only ones that can possibly help on the matter.

>>2224

Okay, but I won't watch youtube for hours just to get an information.

I browsed your board and it seem that you had /pol/ or falsflagers SJW raids. I can tell you that halfchan /pol/ never did such a thing. We only partake of the thread you regularly do on our board.

I'm not MGTOW myself, partly because MGTOW doesn't take a stance on being pro or anti-reproduction. I'm personally all in favor of good men reproducing either through marriage with good women, if they can find one, or otherwise by using an artificial womb. It bothers me that I won't be having any children myself, not for any selfish reason, but because I have moral and intellectual qualities that seem to be in short supply in the world and believe it would be good to create more children that have these qualities. In the end, the world becomes a better place when the demographic ratio of evil and good people shifts towards good, so it's important for good people to have children to ensure that. Women don't seem to want that; if they did, courtship and marriage would be much different from what they are today simply because women themselves would be the ones rejecting the hookup culture and getting married early.

I'll keep an eye on this thread and answer any other questions you might have.

On a related note, I am a race realist but don't ascribe to racial purity; I stand with all people of strong moral character but realize that some races have a greater proportion of such people than others. Ideally, immigrants should be filtered out based on their motives (e.g. greed, exploitativeness) rather than their race.

>>2215

First of all I would like to say that I see myself primarily as a Libertarian, not Mgtow. I see freedom as the most precious thing in life and I detest collectivism, central planning and unnecessary laws from any party (left or right).

>think of the children

It's funny how you socialists always use children as excuse for any shit you want to do. Maybe you could also include more buzzwords like "terrorism" and "pedophiles"

tl;dr version

Many mgtows would help /pol/ gladly to remove the socialistic cancer as good as possible and also help them during the happening but as anything that is not "Hail Hitler" is counted as jewish degeneracy on /pol/ this won't be that easy. Once again the Zionist "divide and conquer" strategy won. Another misconception at /pol/ is that Zionists love freedom. They don't they love corporatism (too big to fail) and crony capitalism. It's easier for Zionists to bribe 1 President and a few ministers than the whole nation. It's easier to make the president declare their goals national goals who get financed by the tax slave than to pay for them with his own pocket.

>>2237

>>2215

Long versoîon

a) Yes there are mgtows who don't want to have children but there are also mgtow who want to have children. Mgtow is not against procreation it's primary against female gold-digger nature and feminism that makes female nature go full-throttle. The pro-breeding mgtow are (or will be) financially successful and they would have no problem to finance a surrogate mother and pay a nanny to have an eye on the kids while at work. Problem is just that in some countries this is illegal because of female voters panicing about their reproductive monopoly. Artificial wombs are also discussed but this is not an option currently as the technology is not developed yet, also art. wombs will most likely be banned by the female voters because their reproductive capability is a nice monopoly they'd like to keep.

b) Having children will not guarantee for a species to die out. If a species can not adapt to it's environment it will die out even if reproduction continues. If you guys believe in Darwinism and that Hitler was right about genociding all Jews because the Aryans were stronger then logically you should accept that the currently dominating "Jews" can genocide the whites because they seem to be stronger. There is 900 Million white people and I think your dying out thesis is currently exaggerated. If at all, according to survival of the fittest, only the beta and omega males will die out but as in human history only about 50% of men reproduced this would be no problem anyway.

c) I would like to say I see myself as an ally of /pol/ but sadly /pol/ became stormfront 2.0 over a few months. I remember the good times on /pol/ in October and November when we were UNITED as one against socialism, SJW cancer and all these other neocommunistic things . We had many pictures of the Libertarian hand and the Natsoc hand shaking hands with comments like "we may have a few differences but for many things we have the same thoughts". Today anything that is not "all hail Hitler" is regarded as JIDF, degeneracy and cultural marxism and apparently the "divide and conquer" strategy once again was successfull. There is no reason we can't be united against socialism and SJWism.

I just don't understad how Hitler is so beloved by /pol/ as he was politically and strategicly totally retarded (his bubble economy in the 30s, his military decissions in WW2) and also because he is rumored to be a zionist agent himself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alois_Hitler, https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/hitlerjew.html) and because he was financed by zionist elites to genocide the normalfag jews (http://www.savethemales.ca/001936.html, http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/07/big-banks-funded-the-nazis-and-launched-a-coup-against-the-president-of-the-united-states.html, http://americanfreepress.net/?p=8153). This is another problem with /pol/, you confuse the normal, mortal jews with the malefic zionistic elite that was ready to sacrifice them in WW2 for their cause.

d) >race traitor

I thought this term was only used to describe white guys who marry asians but as I see you change definitions very fast. I don't have any obligations for any entity or race but I hate leftist cancer from the bottom of my heart and I'd be ready to join forces with anyone to remove this cancer.

e) There is no mgtow-plan to destroy Europe and America. The downfall of Europe and the American Empire was decided a long time ago. Feminism allowed women to vote. Many women are emotional creatures. Many of them don' think rationally, they follow their feelings (emasculated beta faggot males do too and they later joined them). Since this, nearly every country in the west turned socialist, because if you have an elite owned media machinery that tells women daily they are racist pigs if they don't vote leftist, they will one day start to believe this crap and do as the elites wish. As we already know from soviet russia, Socialism does not work, so it's not hard to figure out that the western world is doomed (as females will never give up their voting rights voluntarily). We need a major happening to fix this and then we can start all over again and one day the cycle will repeat as it always does when civillizations become rich and people have the time to think about shit like social justice instead of worrying for survival

>>2227

swami was suspected for the raid. His board is dead and he was banned from gamergate and I think /v/ too, so he had nowhere else to go and spam around. We know it was not /pol/. Maybe it was tumblr or some SJW organization

>>2215

Men can make children, but they have almost no parental rights. So impregnating a woman is a gift to her which includes 20 years of child support. What do I get after she decides to ice me out of 'my' chid's life? I get to pay.

Fuck that. You're talking to the wrong folks, you should be talking to white women and convincing them to hit the sperm banks. Problem solved. I don't want any part in sticking my dick in the State keyhole (pussy).

Not my problem.

>>2239

Saw a guy on /christian/ brag about the raid a day ago.

>>2215

If you want to complain about the destruction of the western world go to /pol and bitch about mass immigration. Even if all of us wifed up some skank and met the quota we are still going to be bred out of existence.

>>2228

Until recently, good was another word for strong. Intuitive behavior take a long time to change.

Don't be too prompt to declare yourself intelligent and moral, we all believe we are and we all like to feel superior to others when most of the time we simply don't understand what is happening. For instance, you want quality people to have more kids than plebs, you state that you have the qualities, and yet, you will not make an kid. Do you expect others good people to do it? How is that intelligent or moral?

>>2237

The title was not supposed to be taken seriously. We all know it is what bad politician say when they are out of arguments and it is why it is mocked. I am not a socialist by the way, and I am from the original /pol/, where there is more libertarians than fascists.

It is very unlikely that the day the ropes ever come, I wouldn't worry about it and it is very important to not count on it to solve our problems.

And stop seeing jews everywhere. People don't need them do disagree. The fact that I am the one telling you that should ring a bell.

A) The left will surely support this new weird way to be degenerate, feminists aren't really preoccupied by reproducing, just by an easy life and the one fighting artificial wombs would probably be conservatives and religious people. Until then, the left is what propelled reproductive research. Two women can now have a child together, and doctors can plug a vagina on you so you can be pregnant too. The far and moderate right are not the ones we have to thanks for that.

B)Darwin's law is about the survival of the fittest, the strongest or the more intelligent. Since the isolation that created various races across the globe is disappearing, humanity will converge toward a single race. We can make it slower if we engage forth reich mode, but it it a natural phenomena that we cannot stop. Every minority will disappear. It is not a reason to want the future of humanity to be 50% niggers. Ultimately, do you want hearth to look like Africa or like Europa?

>>2254

Weird 20 lines limits is weird.

C) I am not that kind of /pol/, if you want to discuss that, jump to our board.

D) It does not have any academical definition, so anyone who disregard race and take actions that destroy race could get labeled as race traitor. I personally see no kid as twice as bad as half-niggers.

E) And there is no feminist or socialist plan to destroy Europe and America either. Yet, the consequences of their actions is leading to our doom and they simply don't care.

I will argue that we are emotional creatures too, but unlike women, we have been told to harden the fuck up. Women have equality, now they need to become strong and independent, not to ask the state to make them strong and independent. If we both become strong, we will have the society first wave feminist dreamed. If we both become weak, we will be replaced by a more fit culture.

Sweden have a long tradition of social democracy, and with the exception of the mass immigration and cultural decay of the last two decades, they made their country the most prosper in the entire history of mankind. The difference between soviet Russia and Sweden is that competent people were in charge in Sweden.

>>2240

You can also get rid of the "problem". You just have to choose if the mother or the child is the problem.

If you have a moral objection on that, remember that we are not the one who made this world violent.

>>2249

A low immigration, is possible only if we have no socialists in charge AND a self sufficient population.

>Bommers, keep in mind that if we don't let millions of illiterates Kenyans in, no one will pay your retirement benefit

>Corporations, there is not a lot of low skilled workers and they start to ask for a fair wage? I have the solution!

>>.2255

>You can also get rid of the "problem".

My solution to the problem is to remove myself from the equation. The only mother/child concerns I have is to keep a look-out when they try to drive me off the sidewalk in their stroller/prams. I finally moved out of the UK where that problem was a constant danger and I still have scars on my legs to prove it. Fucking cunts all of them, and their little broken condoms riding along.

Speaking as a level 3 here :

I fully support offing myself from the genetic pool because I am the carrier of a genetic disease that I could pass on to my children. It would be completely irresponsible for me to procreate and further my defective genes.

This makes the choice easy, but I doubt I would want to reproduce even if that wasn't the case. I feel no particular duty to breed for my race - minorities will win that race anyway and there isn't much you or anyone can do about it short of simply buying them return tickets. It takes a miracle to find a fit mother these days as well. I will raise my own child or I won't have one at all. The chances of this being possible are low, so I won't risk it. I'm not a betting man.

So no, /pol/ack, I won't breed.

>>2238

The funny thing is that you seem to be lumping all /pol/lacks in the same category. I am not a NatSoc supporter, although I see the merits in some of their thinking. I do not venerate Hitler, and neither do a lot of /pol/

Re: >Genociding of the Jews

Please watch this video and tell me you are convinced the official story is true

:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybCR875RJgE