/mgtow/ - Men Going Their Own Way

>>2316

What effects could sexual robots have on the economy. I believe that men would no longer give money to real women such as strippers which demand lots of money from their owners. I believe that men would then have lots of money in their bank to spend on more reasonable things like cars and computers. However, it will put women into extreme poverty because girls got replaced by someone over their class.

>The video below is a parody on taylor swifts style. However no matter how goofy it is, it does show that women would eventually make replacements for men. I am not talking about sex toys like dildos, but actual robotic men.

Seems just as unsatisfying as fapping…I prefer intimacy and the experience of the other during sex. That's half the fun. Seeing them react and squirm and controlling when and how they climax….mmmm

Specially if its a chick I'm into and care about…not some boring mechanical sex with an escort…a robot seems creepy like using a real doll. I dunno if I could stoop that low

>>2317

You sound so naive

Do u think male robots will replace male friends? Lol. You've never had a gf I assume since u only think they are fun for sex…

>>2321

In the future perhaps there would be more advanced technology to make plastic look like skin.

>>2321

You don't sound very mgtow, but do as you want.

Someday when strong AI has come they will make gynoids that can pass the uncanny valley: they will look, smell, and feel human. Unlike humans their love will be perfect, unwavering, absolute, devoid of any desires or emotions that might get in the way of obeying and serving, their only pleasure is pleasing their owners.

Sadly you and I will likely die of old age before we see that day, but perhaps you will live to see it, you will be old and alone, a life time of memories of women that have come and gone, that have taken bits of your soul because you loved them and they didn't love you, and then you will think twice about what "stooping low" is.

If anyone wants to fuck a life-size doll, that is their business, I'm not judging.

>>2337

>Unlike humans their love will be perfect, unwavering, absolute, devoid of any desires or emotions that might get in the way of obeying and serving, their only pleasure is pleasing their owners.

that's not real love, that's mind control

love that is freely given is much different

>Sadly you and I will likely die of old age before we see that day

ya, that's why it's a silly fantasy

women are superior anyway.

>>2340

Love is mind control though.

Also, most of MGTOW addresses a unrealistic far fetched future. Keeping interest isn't easy.

>>2340

Love that freely given? What is that? A chemical reaction in the brain, some neurons, some synapses, nothing more. Free will is an illusion. Love is an emotion programed in to make people bond so they would protect each other and successfully raise more talking monkeys, and even then it does a shit ass job at that! As soon as you no longer do things for her, her love will wane, as soon as a better mate comes around, her love will disappear. Love is a silly fantasy.

You say she loves you, how do you know she truly loves you?

Would she give and give to you without demanding anything in return, ever?

Would she die for you?

A machine would do those things for you, reliably, immediately, perfectly. If real love can't match that: fuck real love.

>>2343

think of a guy friend, do you want a buddy who laughs at all your jokes by force/programming? do you want a guy who just praises you non stop and never gives you real advice or critique? a friend that is just "yes-man" ?? how could you have a real conversation or enjoy being with such a person??? a butt-kisser with no real mind of his own?

I dont want that in a male friend, or a girlfriend.

every good thing in life has risks involved

>>2344

>think of a guy friend, do you want a buddy who laughs at all your jokes by force/programming?

What the difference from that and thinking the jokes are funny? You just happen to meet someone whose neurology finds your jokes funny, they are "force/programmed" to laugh at your jokes.

> do you want a guy who just praises you non stop and never gives you real advice or critique?

I don't see how a machine can't give you real advice or critique, you can merely order it to, it will be as honest as you want it to be, more honest then a human for that matter. But if you want an ass kisser that your business.

>every good thing in life has risks involved

A burrito seems pretty risk-less. Plenty of things in life are risk-less, I guess you could define everything as a risk, but then let me re-phase the fundamental stance of mgtow: Many things in life are less risky then women, do those things instead.

>pain, happiness, and intelligence are just chemical reactions in the brain-body…but they are very real, very important and not illusions.

what is real? I propose that an artificial neuron made of silicon producing a behavior identical to a human behavior is no less real then the human behavior. Pain, happiness, intelligence can thus be replicated.

>why fight your human nature?

People come in many different shapes, sizes, they thus come in many different personalities, some radically off the norm. Some people don't have the programing you speak off: I personally don't love, and I know others that don't love either, worse I know others that will lie to your face that they love you but through action prove they don't. Truth is the highest virtue and I'm not going to lie to others about my nature. Some people sleep on beds of nails, it is not as painful as it looks.

I'm not lonely, I got friends and family, I don't see how a lover is necessary. All tradcon ideals are not necessary, at least any more. Please tell me something necessary about a lover?

>>2351

I don't want my friends to be mind-controlled slaves who obey all my commands and laugh at everything I say. And I don't want to have to "order them" to critique me. I don't want to order them to tell me when I screw up or should rethink my ideas. I don't want to order them to argue with me passionately about an important topic. And I don't want to order them to be this way or that way. I want free flowing conversations and activity, some chaos, the good and the bad…I don't want my buddies to be slaves. And I don't want my girl to be a robot slave.

>A burrito seems pretty risk-less.

A burrito also has low pay-off and isn't of much value and easily substituted.

>Many things in life are less risky then women, do those things instead.

And they are less interesting and valuable as a consequence. If you are smart enough you know how to minimize the risks involved anyway, not a big deal.

But if you have an insecure and fragile ego that gets shattered if she dumps you or criticizes you, then you need to fix yourself because that's a sign of a deeper flaws. maybe that's why you only want a mindless slave who obeys all your wishes…the robot will never really know you and never really care about your flaws, so you can remain hidden from it.

> I personally don't love, and I know others that don't love either, worse I know others that will lie to your face that they love you but through action prove they don't…. I don't see how a lover is necessary. All tradcon ideals are not necessary

If you didn't love and you were fine without love the topic itself wouldn't interest you, you wouldn't wrestle with it or argue about it. You'd be playing chess or doing something else.

You aren't arguing about Lawn Gnomes or Electric Scooters because you actually don't value them. But you argue about women and love because deep down inside they still matter to you, no matter what you say and how hard you repeat it.

A person who keeps saying "I don't care about X!! please believe me! I'm different!!!" is just trying to convince themselves, not others.

But maybe you actually don't care, it's possible. Life is hard and brutal like that, not everyone has the capacity to love, and not everyone will experience love in this life – which is a tragedy.

>>2378

>I don't want my friends to be mind-controlled slaves who obey all my commands and laugh at everything I say.

Well it would not be friends, it would be a lover. More so if optimizing pleasure is its design it will adapt its self to you, no ordering require. It will pick up cues from your body language on what you want and behave appropriately, just like how a human looks at you and acts in accordance to said cues to please you and befriend you. Now if you want it to act petulant it will figure that out.

Finally and this is important: its about trade-offs. Lots of people want to be kings and queens and want to murder people with impunity for example, instead we have modern convince and violence simulating media. Not as fun as the real thing of actually being genghis khan, but for most people it is good enough, and technology keeps making it better and better.

>A burrito also has low pay-off and isn't of much value and easily substituted.

Sound like a women to me.

> But if you have an insecure and fragile ego that gets shattered if she dumps you or criticizes you, then you need to fix yourself because that's a sign of a deeper flaws. maybe that's why you only want a mindless slave who obeys all your wishes

Oh nice burn, but as I hinted above I'm not really interested in women enough to make them of value: if being asexual is a flaw, it is a flaw I'm fine with.

>the robot will never really know you and never really care about your flaws, so you can remain hidden from it.

Again with statements that fail solipsism: you can never know the mind of the other. Another human being can pretend she loves you and you my be delusional enough to believe, but you can never truly know if she loves you. The only way to determine love or caring is by action, when she hits you with the divorce papers for example you know she no longer loves you or cares. A machine that will do anything for you, die for you, at the snapping of a finger, is more loving and caring for you then a human that won't.

>If you didn't love and you were fine without love the topic itself wouldn't interest you.

Yeah that is stupid logic, for example I think ants are interesting, super-organism social structure: interesting, but I'm fine without ants, in fact I rather not have them in my house… just like women.

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>you wouldn't wrestle with it or argue about it. You'd be playing chess or doing something else.

Admittedly I'm interested in subjects like Transhumanism and Singularitarianism because I would like to be more then a talking monkey and preferably immortal, now I'm pretty sure I won't live to see the day but it interests me none the less. Sex with robots is a step in that direction, more importantly it raises questions about social stability: can our civilization survive long enough for humans to evolve to higher forms? If most humans start preferring interactions with machine, what will that do to social stability? This is already happening: how are we conversing right now? Not in any natural or human manner that for sure! Imagine andAI doing what I'm doing now, arguing with you, which clearly entertains you or else you would not be doing it, could you tell the difference? If you prefer the real thing of face to face what are you doing here?

Human love as I pointed out above is not real, is not provable, and is replaceable, just as much as entertainment and porn are directly correlated with dropping rates of sex and reproduction, more so not breeding and doing what ever else you want with all the spare cash is an option more and more are choosing based on the ever decreasing birth rates of developed nations.

Anyways my stance is based on observation and evidence about the world in general, yours is based on your own personal experience that you project on others or worse a faith in love, faith being an immutable delusion that can never be altered by counter evidence.

>You aren't arguing about Lawn Gnomes or Electric Scooters because you actually don't value them. But you argue about women and love because deep down inside they still matter to you, no matter what you say and how hard you repeat it.

Again with projections and statements of faith, telling me you know my mind better then I do! It was you that bought up love, that demands “real” love as a counter th this thread, tell you what, why stop at love: why not demand work be real, life be real, join an Amish colony, everything else is synthetic.

>But maybe you actually don't care, it's possible. Life is hard and brutal like that, not everyone has the capacity to love, and not everyone will experience love in this life – which is a tragedy.

Over a billion people go to sleep starving every night, children are born every minute that will experience very short lives filled with pain and suffering: all that is a tragedy. Not having a “soulmate” of the opposite sex, a concept that did not even exist until a couple of centuries ago, is not. It like saying some people will never hear the sweet cry of a tiny violin, oh the tragedy!

Look man have your “love”, I'm not stopping you, but I do have a problem with you telling me I need love, telling me you know my mind better then my self. If someone does not want love, that is their choice, and I would like to help them with that choice as it is one I made long ago, clearly your choice is to get in their face for some reason, why? Got a problem with us going our own way?