/mgtow/ - Men Going Their Own Way

>>291
OP Here
Error on my part. That should be
*They lack the entitlement mentality that is required for..

OP their strategy is just retarded.
It's like tumblr comes to 8chan to "troll" a bit and then it backfires hard because they are trying to fuck with people who are experts on this subject.

You can't beat feminists in begging. They often have good statures, boobs and nice voices.
Nobody is intrested in seeing you (begging).

>>291
Interesting theory, but as an MRA I don't beg for anything, I work for what I want to achieve.

This is why a few MRAs are more successful than a throng of whining feminists. For instance, to reduce rape on campus I organized self defense awareness and tips on how not to wind up in sticky situations in the first place, such as the buddy-plan along with The Marines "no man/woman gets left behind". Feminists did nothing but increase false rape reports by creating an anonymous report system and posting fliers and talks about "Teaching men not to rape" (which I'm sure is just preaching to the choir, or wouldn't change a rapist's mind). When a single MRA anonymously reported the dean for over 9000 rapes, it called into question the policy of false rape reporting on campus. Now at least the police must be notified if any action is taken, and the accused may return to school if the police have exonerated them. One MRA caused a change in policy that thousands of feminists lobbied for.

The MRM is small and has already begun to accomplish more than the feminist movement did when it was of similar size. Feminism has gynocentrism on its side. The MRM has science, dedication and hard work on its side. If these are not enough to accomplish our goals, then I ask you: How did you come to have an advanced civilization with technological innovations such as the Internet with which to ask the question. Keep in mind that there have always been needy women demanding protection and favors throughout human history, while we were getting to the current state of civilization. Feminism is just natural human gynocentrism amplified. It's powers will wane as the ideology of Cultural Marxism from which it comes does.

In other words: Op, I see a flaw in your reasoning.

>>291
That's only going to be the case as long as the whole MRA/MGTOW thing is mostly libertarian.

Reality is there are lots of young guys who've been badly fucked over who're very, very angry and not all are in any sense successful.

Lots of whom are uni educated too.
There's plenty of entitlement - most men IMO naturally feel some 'entitlement' to:

-a job they can live on (and a better one if they've going through higher education)

and

-a faithful wife who isn't a 35 year old cum dumpster and circumstances such that they can have a family.

Not saying that 'entitlement' means they expect it on a plate, but they expect that if they work consistently for it they can have a reasonable life.

In a lot of developed countries it's not the case anymore. The dating market is absurd, women are insanely entitled and have their own jobs, for a decent chunk of guys, in either dating or in their working lives the return on effort has basically dropped to zero and it doesn't matter what they do.

Alienated young men are a recipe for social disaster - everything's there really, but the way the Mens rights movement, mgtow and 'theredpill' communities are saturated with libertarian shit is actually making it more difficult.

>>350
>>Interesting theory, but as an MRA I don't beg for anything, I work for what I want to achieve.

And I respect you for that but this is also the reason why the MRAs will have to do 10 times the work to achieve something compared to the feminists.

You see the feminists are experts at playing the victim card and then exploiting it to change the laws in their favor. They know that its a tactic that works. Play victim and then beg for laws to be changed. When you refuse to play the victim card you are swimming against the tide. This makes your job much harder. This doesn't mean that I want MRAs to play victim as well. I'm just describing things as they are

>> When a single MRA anonymously reported the dean for over 9000 rapes, it called into question the policy of false rape reporting on campus

Regardless of the disagreements my kudos to you on this one

>>The MRM is small and has already begun to accomplish more than the feminist movement did when it was of similar size

I sincerely wish this were true. However I see no evidence of any significant change in the legal system or the legislative system. Perhaps if you could list some of the things accomplished we could examine them and I am open to changing my mind on this

Relevant to this thread:

http://youtu.be/BaccOPCifF4

Women as a whole have no empathy or solidarity with men. Therefore the MRM cannot achieve change.

Only MGTOW bring about change.

>>395
Interesting video. Although Big Red is one of the worst examples of womanhood I get the point he is trying to make. Culturally we are conditioned to believe that Women are mothers and therefore good at caring. The finer point that a mother only cares because she perceived that particular male as a child of hers is glossed over. This can easily be put to the test when two male children from different mothers fight and if the mother of only one child is present observe whose side she takes. Everyone can immediately see the 'compassion' and empathy of motherhood then and there.

>>350
>>If these are not enough to accomplish our goals, then I ask you - How did you come to have an advanced civilization with technological innovations such as the Internet with which to ask the question.

I forgot to respond to this point which is an important one.
Civilizations rise decay and fall. I'm not saying that what is broadly described as Western Civilization is on the verge of a fall but no one can say with confidence that it is in a healthy state either. Perhaps feminism is not just part but mainly an indicator of an advanced state of decay. Is it irreversible? Only time will tell. We have all this wonderful technological innovation around us and we are tempted to believe that Western Civilization is largely invulnerable to, say a slow collapse. I don't share that view

>>355

>>a faithful wife who isn't a 35 year old cum dumpster and circumstances such that they can have a family

This might have been true in the past but these days if you wound up with a 35 year old cum dumpster wife you would be lucky to just get away from her with your money intact. In the past such a relationship only meant wasted time. In this day and age as an added bonus you get financial ruin

>>399
yeah and that just makes it all the worse.

OP I think you might bring up a point to be addressed, but I think that MRM would be successful precisely because men work harder. The only thing is that men might need to adapt tactics or how they implement strategy.

>>291
No one ever got anything by asking nicely.

I consider MRA's feminists for men. I really do. They petition the government? For what? More regulation? more handouts? No.

Paul Elam is a smart guy. He wants some of those activist bucks that people like Anita Sarkeesian get. MRA's don't represent me, they don't represent MGTOW.