41f0ae No.314
I'm curious as to why you have decided to go your own way. Was it a certain event in your life that suddenly jarred you awake, or did you just gradually realize on your own that it made sense for you to live like this?
Many see this movement as butthurt betas who couldn't get a woman if they wanted, so they joined this movement to make it seem like it is their choice, but I don't think that is true of many of us.
I've always been successful with women, I've had around 40 sexual partners, a handful of actual serious relationships, and it's not difficult for me to approach women, but over the last couple of years I've realized that, logically, "going my own way" is the smarter choice for my life. I've seen great men like Schwarzenegger, Kobe Bryant, Tiger Woods, etc. nearly get ruined by gold-digging whores. I've seen regular men like you and me be fucked over by women. Cheating, using, abusing, etc. good men.Most women wouldn't think twice about fucking up the rest of a man's life for their own personal gain.
Some argue that there are good women out there, and I agree. There are. However, the chances of getting a bad one are far too high for me to be comfortable with anything other than a one-night-stand. Everything in my life could be ruined in a heartbeat. And, as many women are amazing at deception, it's too difficult to tell the difference between a good woman and one who is just playing the part.
My plan, as I do want children, is to find a good surrogate mother, give her my seed so that she can birth my child, and then be a single father. I'll likely hire a nanny to help with childcare. I will be smart about the legal side of things, getting an airtight contract with the surrogate and such. Hell, artificial wombs and realistic sexbots may be a thing in the near future, which would completely remove any necessity women may hold. What about you guys? Many peoples' plans revolve around marriage and family, what about you?
b4cac9 No.368
I got tired of women treating men like shit, but expecting to be treated like a queen in return.
Also, I have too much to lose, monetarily speaking. It's just not worth it.
c2e9a1 No.373
I got tired of trying to catch a healthy fish in a poisonous pond.
5b01dc No.375
Tired of women who lazily rely on their looks to entrap men
b7f136 No.379
I can't be bothered to put in the effort to find a girl.
Risk/Reward is not high enough.
2bdd97 No.550
I always enjoyed isolation more than being with people. I enjoy spending time with friends and family occasionally.
When I'm in a romantic relationship a woman just absorbs more time than I'm comfortable with. And we all know women need constant validation or will seek it elsewhere. I'm not saying I was cheated on but that's why I will never have a long lasting meaningful relationship with a woman. And I'm entirely OK with that.
44b024 No.710
I knew about the pregnancy trap and marriage trap back in high school. I also knew family court didn't care about men. Many years later, I thought about getting a vasectomy. After a few searches, I found this Tom Leykis episode:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg-I8tLm3_EAnd guys who commented on it called themselves MGTOW. When I looked at my lifestyle, I considered myself a MGTOW.
Another thing that got my attention was the Japanese Herbivore Men. I often think the same way as those guys.
541911 No.739
More a herbivore man then a MGTOW
relationships are just too much effort for no real benefit.
c507e5 No.740
I watched my asperger laden brother get destroyed by relationships by at least 5 times. He never got sex as far as I'm concerned, but each and every time, they took him in after he was a beta cuckhold for them for the longest time, and then spat him back out when they realized that his aspergers wasn't cute.
I watched my mother lay around, do fucking nothing all fucking day, and force my hard working father do fucking everything for her. He's the hardest worker I've ever seen, and he tries his damnedest to ensure that everyone that lives in his house is comfortable as possible. He makes money that I will never see in my life, and he's content with using it for his family.
My mother decides that she likes using it on stupid shit that contributes to absolutely nothing. My father doesn't want to say anything, knowing that divorcing is more headache than it's worth. I can tell he's really depressed, though.
The few times I tried the dating game, I noticed every time they were after my father's hard earned money through me, just wanting more and more shit.
Combined all that, with the addition of the hyper feminism push going on nowadays, in addition to the fact that I fit the first wave of the sexodus almost completely (Being born and going to school between 1990 to 2010. I was born 1991, graduated 2010), there you go.
18e7a5 No.954
i naturally fell into mgtow before i knew it was a thing. i guess it was through a lucky set of circumstances (or unlucky depending on your viewpoint)
when i was in high school and college, i thought i wanted a serious relationship. "unfortunately" for me, i was fat and awkward at that time in my life. no girls had any interest in me, and i learned to enjoy my life as a single guy.
after college in my early 20s, i got a good job with a good future, but i started low and with debt. i stayed fat but slowly gained confidence. at this point, i was still open to the idea of a relationship but not willing to risk it unless she was exactly what i wanted. some girls started showing interest in me, but they fell into one of two categories:
1. girls with no self esteem who thought i (being a fat guy) was the best they could get (settling)
2. girls whose lives were a disaster who thought that they could somehow latch onto my stability to pull themselves out of their mess
luckily i had the common sense not to flush my life down the toilet by going down either of those roads.
now im in my 30s. my job has really taken off, and ive worked hard to get myself in better physical shape (although i still have some work to do.) i have more confidence and self esteem than ever before. but now that i could easily have a serious relationship, ive realized that i no longer want one.
my ideal relationship would be one where we only want each other's companionship and love. but ive come to realize, "wish in one, shit in the other…" its been my experience that modern western women expect more out of a relationship than that. they want a guy who will improve their lives in a tangible way that they can't achieve on their own. they may very well love the men they marry, but the men's utility is a dealbreaker. ive come to see most serious relationships as unequal partnerships where the man is being used. and this is before you consider the risks involved with divorce.
being alone is sometimes lonely, but i think its the lesser of the two evils in todays society. i have many friends, both men and women, and im happy with my life as it is. im not interested in having children, so that also makes it easier for me.
ab084c No.963
1. Last girlfriend attempts to get pregnant against my will.
2. My father's failed relationships and marriages
3. My mother's deteriorating mental condition and how she abuses my step-father,
4. My brothers crazy psycho bitch.
I'm done, no more relationships beyond friends. I thought I was set with the last one, she was low maintenance we had been friends for years, still friends, "oh you don't need to wear a condom", "aaah yeah I do","you don't trust me?","no I don't"… long story short she got knocked up a few months later (by a different man), her clock went off, but honestly I hear it a lot at my age (early 30's) steady girlfriends go "oops I got pregnant" as a way to lock in "their" man and to hit the off button on their alarm bell sounding biological clock going off. My father had a girlfriend he swears must of dug the cum out of a condom to sire yet another half-sibling. He has been married at least 3 times and co-habitated perhaps a dozen, he has gotten around and all it has brought him is 3 sets of kids, massive debt and suffering, long story short: pussy aren't worth it. My mother is very emotional abusive and physically falling apart, I look at my step-father with pity. My brother is dating a women who is not pretty, fat, can't hold a job, manic-depressive, no good qualities what so ever, I tried to make sense of it and the best I can figure is he gets off on being needed, now that self destructive!
f27dfa No.987
>>710That was an awesome story.
00a066 No.996
Saw the game was rigged, decided to never play. Since men are expected to initiate all romantic/sexual relationships with women in our society (and then frequently get called creeps/molesters for their trouble), I decided to just not do that. Maybe if I played the game I could "win," or get as close to winning as one can, but I'd rather not support a rigged system. Especially when I'm already well on my way to wizardhood and will soon achieve the black magicks necessary to ascend to a higher plane of existence.
d39f40 No.999
>>314Because women aren't nice
a3a17a No.1011
"why did you join THE MOVEMENT"
I didn't. I refuse to recognize this as a movement.
c4efb8 No.1042
I never "joined." Ever since Kindergarten I thought the drama between genders around me was a bunch of silly bullshit. I never wanted to be a part of the 'girls have cooties' thing and the girls' equally retarded equivalent. But as I got older everyone around me pulled this dumb shit inward and carried it with them whenever they dealt with the opposite sex. Any by the time I was an adult I saw how tilted human relationships had become because people with institutional power have this bullshit internalized too. I had never heard of MGTOW but I said fuck this noise I'm going to live my own life and if a woman tries to fuck that up, I'll respond the same way I'd respond to a man: "fuck off."
Then I saw MGTOW and was happy that other people saw through the shit.
8ad86e No.1043
>>1011>I don't like using words that describe something accuratelyMGTOW is a movement in the sense that men are all going their own way and this series of actions are causing ripples.
a3a17a No.1044
>>1043good luck with your movement, paul reverse male.
636934 No.1045
it's not movement thats the beauty of it. It's just a thing men do, or better don't do. So you just sit back and do nothing and the whole world is mad at you. It's awesome. Gives me a chuckle every time.
b147ab No.1050
>>1044This picture is good but it misses another factor why the MRM is so unsuccesful (and why feminism is so succesful).
One factor is women and their instinctive feminism, true.
But the other, even more important factor is MEN and their instinctive misandry. That's right, most men are just as misandric as any radical feminist.
The sense of disposability is hard wired in our brain - just think about that in virtually every culture it's a great honor and a good death to die for a noble couse.
The need to protect women is also hard wired in our brains. That's the basis of white knighting.
Becouse of these most men are eager to destroy a fellow man, especially if it's done for a woman. (So much for the feminists "patriarchal solidarity" or "male conspiracy against women" or whatever they call it.)
That's why feminism could rise in the first place, becouse without white knights they would have been just ignored.
And that's the same reason why it is so hard to redpill the majority of men, and without that the MRM is doomed to fail, just as the picture tells.
a3a17a No.1059
MGTOW, in the sense of this site, is social support for those who seek it out. Any mention of MGTOW could be purged from the net tomorrow with no impact on social trends whatsoever.
MGTOW is great for self-validation and intellectual and social support. But it grows from a social trend rather than drives that trend. And I can't see how it might ever become a driving force.
a3a17a No.1060
MGTOW is a useful label for a phenomenon that I believe emerges from the ongoing collapse of civilization. Here, we discuss it in Western terms, while acknowledging it's further advanced in Japan.
03d15e No.1061
As I discovered feminism for what it truly is and through that uncovered the inner workings of gynocentrism, it just seemed like the logical next step in my life. I wrestled with the idea for awhile, especially because the lack of autonomy in my life (living with my parents) makes me think I can't truly call myself a man going his own way, but after looking at the broken relationships of family members, family friends and my own friends, and after getting burnt enough by bitches and realizing the effort put into them isn't fucking worth it, I decided to opt out of pursuing relationships with women, which is something I barely did in the first place, but always gave me anxiety, and finally just letting go has given me a lot of peace of mind. Still working on the autonomy part though
fb00dd No.1077
>>314Feminism coupled with a break up and having a bit of difficulty getting back into a new relationship even though I am employed and have my own brand new car and I am somewhat above average in attractiveness.
I also had an average looking co-worker who was a player and getting more pussy than me, didn't give a fuck that he was married (yes was miserable because she is a feminist cunt) and he was fucking married women on the side. Kinda realized women were full of shit and "nice guy" propaganda is the biggest load of bullshit ever used to oppress men.
He has however a "rep" around the women in the office that I don't have. Which is easily described as women view him as "a dog". The females around me however see me with more respectable views.
Who do they fuck? Him lol. Fuck that, I'm attractive, and able to make more potential than him as long as I stay MGTOW.
62c7a8 No.1114
i joined to collect dank mimi's
2bee78 No.1595
I became a MGTOW because I felt it was smartest decision a man could make in this society. 2 men in my family have been divorce raped. I was also tired of women and their bullshit and they need to grow up.
2bee78 No.1596
Also, I became a MGTOW because it's a collective "fuck you" to feminism and gynocentrism.
2392e8 No.1604
I'm a poker player and I'm dedicated to win/loss.
I don't want to bet on a single number or play a game where even when I win, I lose.
It's just logic
492a6e No.1605
It was just a matter of adding up the pros and cons. But before getting to that stage I ran in a lot of mental circles. I never had a problem dating chicks, where I lived I actually had to ignore chicks coming onto me.
Just before going full MGTOW I was planning a way to fuck as many chicks as I had access to. It was a logistical problem and I didn't want them meeting each other in the revolving door. So I had a good plan worked out and one day I just thought about it and said 'fuck it!' it's not worth the effort anymore.
I had previously learned a lot about Game and stopped being a chump at about 30 years old. I fucked a lot of chicks, enough to realize that they're all basically the same. You just have to dangle the bait in front of them and they take it, throw in a bit of Tao and display wealth, and that's it.
But in the end, in pros vs cons, the con list was much longer.
492a6e No.1606
>>1605
To add to this, I watched my father get destroyed via the family courts. I witnessed my mother perform parental alienation and myself and my siblings. I watched her turn into a bitch after nuking the family. My own sister's husband took me aside when I was 20 and told me to NEVER get married.
I knew society was a fucking mess very early in my life and that marriage and even children were a trap. I got sick of chicks trying to put the pregnancy scare on me - I can write loads on how to effectively handle that shit test.
The last waifu I said 'no' to was 21 years old - I was 45. She was blonde, about 100 pounds with e perfect body and big blue eyes. She probably would have called me daddy as I was gluing her eyes shut… That look on her face, "really?!" yep, sweetheart.
9c6929 No.1626
Really started the summer after my sophomore year of college. Some bitch wanted to accuse me of sexual harassment because I was previously hooking up with her but she got with another guy and expected us to duke it out.
TLDR: Anon survives his first shit-test by the skin of his teeth
9782d0 No.2210
>>314
Worked with a bunch of divorced guys straight out of high school in a job I would kill myself before going back to now. Middle of fucking nowhere living in atco trailers 12 hour minimum days every day.
Hearing their stories and seeing how they got to that kind of shit existence opened my eyes some. Pretty fucked up to have a 45 year old biker looking dude crying about how he never sees his kids, or a 50 something guy living out of his truck with a dog telling stories about the business he used to own.
081fa0 No.2211
I'm against marriage but pro long-term girlfriends.
I can't afford NOT to have a girlfriend, it's just financially a disaster for me.
Sex with decent hookers is like $200. I'm not gonna pay $200 a day, 5x a week for sex with strangers. I can't even eat them out, and I hate kissing them on the mouth, the foreplay is shit…the sex is just subpar.
Last time I spent money on my girl was like a month ago I bought her a movie ticket and some popcorn. $20 or something, and really it was worth it cuz we had fun…i don't care
Now that she moved in we fuck once or twice a day. I'm literally saving thousands a month lol. Oh and she pays half the rent, so really from an economic point of view it's win-win for me as a college guy.
0e9480 No.2277
Came here naturally. After having experience with women, I saw the real meaning of "not putting pussy on a pedestal".
I do enjoy solitude to some degree, and self entitled cunts who semi threat on increased chances of leaving or cheating because you want your own time is not my thing.
So I told them to leave and we didn't even start officially dating.
0e9480 No.2278
>>2211
opposite with me. much cheaper to not have girlfriend. but to each its own biorythm.
997fb4 No.2279
>>2211
I think you can have a long-term relationship and GYOW at the same time. Some chicks can control themselves without trying to wreck your life or change you. The thing is, you have to be the dominant person in the relationship and she needs to know that she needs you more than you need her; that you're willing to walk away if she starts pulling shit tests and starts arguments for no reason, or starts withholding sex.
I'd also recommend avoiding meeting her family if at all possible, and limit your exposure to her friends since they will never be your friends. If you get entangled with her family and friends, they will lean on you and get you involved in their dramas.
As cool as she seems to be at the time, remember that all women can 'be like that' when it suits them and rain misery down on your life if they feel crossed. To cover your ass, always keep your private/secret shit to yourself. If you cheat on your taxes, don't ever tell her - don't give her any ammunition to fuck you over if the relationship goes tits up for some reason.
Also, if you need to break up with her eventually, work to diffuse the bomb before she explodes like an emotional hand grenade. One way to do this is to get her to break up with you by becoming extremely unreliable and flakey and stop having sex with her. If you can get her to cheat on you, you're golden.
Another more extreme way to diffuse the bomb is start dropping comments that you find some guys attractive. Keep that going, then tell her you think you've been living a lie and need to explore your true nature = bomb diffused, but she'll tell everyone you're gay but you can always 'turn straight' again and say the gay thing was just a phase. This works best in cases she might becomes a 'bunny boiler'.
997fb4 No.2280
>>2279
I'd like to add to the above about live-in relationships. It doesn't happen with every chick, but it will eventually happen: The pregnancy scare. The first time is almost certainly a test to gauge your reaction. Assuming you've told her you don't want children EVER, she won't actually believe it until you're faced with the possibility.
When she says she late or otherwise thinks she might be pregnant you have to handle the test correctly to avoid the real-deal in the future. At the moment she tell you, you stop everything you're doing. If you're at work, you leave work and go find her and pull her out of work if need be. This can't be handled later or tomorrow… You take her to the drug store and buy 3 pregnancy tests. Take her home and stand in the bathroom while she takes each test. Do not rely on a test she's previously taken or has on-hand because fake/prank pregnancy tests are easily purchased on ebay.
Your demeanor is very important. Do not be cool and calm and a 'good guy' about this. You should be in a fucking panic and swear a lot. Accuse her of not taking the pill etc - get her on the defensive and even into tears. You don't want her pulling this shit on you again, and she wont. She'll know that having you as a baby daddy will be a nightmare forever.
She'll say she's been under a lot of stress and sometimes the pill isn't 100% effective when women are under stress. It's bullshit. Don't be understanding and supportive. After the tests are complete, leave her alone. Go to the bar or anywhere else. Sleep at a buddy's house and don't tell her.
I''ve been through 3 of these scares and handled them all the same way.
0f41f2 No.2281
>>2279
>>2280
your stories are always interesting and good to read. Thank you for sharing your wisdom with us, it's good to have you around.
63b77d No.2289
My red pill was an anti-depressant, actually.
For all my life up until late college I had anxiety, and bought a lot of beta bullshit. Never got so desperate as to call myself a feminist to get a girlfriend or anything, but I had accepted the notion that I had to be something more than I was.
I started taking an SSRI to deal with issues, and it finally allowed me to relax and look at women for what they really are: politicians.
The "classic" question "What do women want?" is based entirely on a flawed understanding of women. Women will not tell you what they really want, because telling you a lie is much more productive for constructing an attractive profile. When you understand women run everything they say through a strict filter for personal gain, you cease to lose interest.
f5f3b7 No.2291
But hurt or not, there has to be a better way.
92a307 No.2299
Me:
>Hey there,
>Originally I just wanted to go into a profound explanation in your “screw me over” thread in Depression group about how some people are tough minded and others are tender minded…
>But then it just happened to me as well! My step mom told me before lunch to take off my hoodie, because that's why I have a cold, because the hoodie in the summer makes me sweat. And that's why I always catch a cold.
>NEVERMIND THAT I WAS WEARING TEE AND SHORTS ALL WEEK IN SPITE OF THE STORMY WEATHER, IT WAS DEFINITELY THE HOODIE I WAS WEARING THIS MORNING.
>Then I went back to my room, took it off, went back down and she added: “I'm not trying to bug you, I'm just telling you this for your own good.”
>See, the problem is that it's actually genuine – the ability of the human mind to construct delusions out of emotions is just astonishing. You toss a few semi-related facts into the blender, whirl it up, put some random logic for icing on it, and serve it as the grand truth!
>And imagine what these people might be doing during the elections… God help us all.
>So yeah… I just wanted to tell you that I can understand your feelings about this.
Him:
>Hi Anonymous,
>Thanks for the email.
>There are good women, but most of them seem to be a problem.
>You would have noted how they came in like screwing shrews when I said that I avoided women because interaction with them was problematic.
>Women cannot stand the thought that any might might walk away from them. The MGTOW people call it 'leaving the plantation'. That is what I have done. I have left the plantation and I am not going to go back.
>If you do not know what MGTOW (men going their own way) is you might be interested in visiting YouTube and listening to a few of the recordings.
>- Anon
Me:
>Holy shit, I looked up the movement's page, and these vids are awesome!
>Sure, this isn't going to stray me from looking for a woman (if I find one worth more than my hand) but hell, I'm learning more and more about these wonderful monsters with each YouTube clip!
>I've actually seen a few of Marc Rudov's argumentational bitchslaps before, and I just love the guy. I've also seen “Feminism and the Disposable Men” linked on an anonymous image board I frequent.
>And… THIS: http://www.mgtow.com/video/mid-life-crisis/
>This one's brutal. I'm someone who's into spiritual stuff, so this whole topic makes a deeper, metaphysical sense to me as well.
>Thank you for opening my eyes on this. :)