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 No.2259

Come on people, this is pact. What are some new ideas on how to protest anti pedophilia dogma?

 No.2261

>>2259
We've got a lot of material to use, but the problem is that absolutely everyone seems stuck on how to distribute it.

 No.2264

>>2261

Having material is not as important nowadays as it was in the past. We are living in the age of information. There is rather too much information than a lack of it. Ergo the scarce resssource of today is the people's attention. So I think it is just right that we concentrate on which ways of distributions assure getting people's attention.

First question I would ask is:

Who do we want to reach?

1. Pedophiles
2. People who are secondary affected (pedophile they know of in friends or family; pedophile relationship as a child; child in a pedophile relationship they know of in family; etc.)
3. People not affected at all

The number of people are bigger the bigger the number, but it's also harder to reach them.

 No.2267

>>2264
>Who do we want to reach?

1. Either they are coming to us fairly naturally, or they're so firmly in hiding that there is no point in treating them as other than category 3. There are a few exceptions, which could be addressed by focused targeting of associations like VirPed and Don't Act, but they would generally be hard to get through to and the only benefit would be to their own self-image. It's worth it, but small-time stuff. Maybe worth doing to stretch our muscles, but not really useful.

Category 2 divides largely into those who are already pretty much fine with it (and who are, therefore, very low priority. Preaching to the choir and all that.) and into those who are vehemently against. Those who are vehemently against, or so it seems to me, would be even harder to get the attention of than most of group 3. Well, maybe you could get their attention easily, but it wouldn't be the kind of attention that makes them listen to what you say.

3. Seems left as the easiest group to reach other than half of category 1, and it also carries a lot of weight. Not quite as much, individually, as group 2, but vastly larger in numbers.

The unfortunate conclusion is that category 3 must be our major target, daunting though it may be. Maybe something addressed to that central element of category 1 may serve well to build momentum, however.


Separate point of my own:
We'll suck as agents of persuasion if we get overly divided by schism. With such major divisions in our own ranks with regards to what reforms there should be, I propose that we need a central working target of reforms that we pretty much all agree with -- focusing on these most vital and least divisive issues will help us to present a united front and argue a line we all agree on; schism and infighting can come after significant improvements on current conditions have been achieved, not before.

 No.2268

>>2267
VirPed suggest that pedophilia isn't normal when the most common form of it(heterosexual hebephilia) is arguably dominant in nature.
http://egomoral.com/pedophilia-is-dominant-in-mammals/

I won't support Virped.

What if we list new articles posted about pedophilia on pact on a daily bases. Pact members can flood the negative posts with with anti-bigotry comments and links to pact.


This will do 3 things.

1. It will let the world know that not everyone is against's pedophiles.

2. It will counter the bigotry and bad science.

3. It will create back links to sites that support pedophilia.

4. It will bolster the ranks of Pact and possibly snowball.


Searching daily posts on pedophilia is easy. Google 'pedophilia', and select 'search tools' > 'any time' > 'past 24 hours'.

 No.2269

Conservative group claims new sex-ed curriculum part of pedophilia conspiracy

http://metronews.ca/news/toronto/1296345/anti-sex-ed-curriculum-rally-spreads-theory-of-pedophilia-conspiracy/

Remember to link back to pact to help recruit more pact support.

 No.2270

>>2268
>VirPed suggest that pedophilia isn't normal when the most common form of it(heterosexual hebephilia) is arguably dominant in nature.
>I won't support Virped.
Hmmm? No, I was suggesting contacting the members of those organisations to see if we can get them to disassociate from them. They're bad things, but they're more in the public view than we are. Could be a good recruiting ground.

>What if we list new articles posted about pedophilia on pact on a daily bases. Pact members can flood the negative posts with with anti-bigotry comments and links to pact.

Sounds like a good idea. Remember, however, that focus should be on scientific refutations and the like where possible, rather than just calling them on bigotry. The former will do some good, whilst the latter will fall on deaf ears.


>>2269
>Implying that lessons 1-10 won't be all about how to avoid and report anyone looking at you below your neck

 No.2286

>>2268

>VirPed suggest that pedophilia isn't normal when the most common form of it(heterosexual hebephilia) is arguably dominant in nature.


Hebephilia is not a form of pedophilia. Those two are different things.

 No.2288

>>2286
The legal definition of pedophilia overlaps pedophilia with infantophilia, and hebephilia.

 No.2290

>>2288

But VirPed obviously did argue biologically, not legally. You can't just mix those two up.

 No.2299

I would be nice, as a measure to better inform the public, if popular sources of information about pedophilia that are supposed to be impartial, were corrected. Here, for example, pedophilia is equated without any stipulation to pedophilic disorder. Meanwhile, the DSM-5, which the Wikipedia article even cites, points out that pedophilia is not a disorder, but a sexual interest ("orientation" no longer applies since they corrected their text.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile_activism

 No.2300

>>2259
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't pedophilia a legal definition now, not a scientific one?

The definition of pedophilia can change to pedophilic disorder based on legalities because a pedophilic disorder is a paraphilic disorder.

Paraphilic Disorder:
"have a sexual desire or behavior that involves another person’s psychological distress, injury, or
death, or a desire for sexual behaviors involving unwilling persons or persons unable to give legal
consent"
http://www.dsm5.org/Documents/Paraphilic%20Disorders%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

How can the scientific community let this happen?

 No.2301

>>2300
The APA fought for nearly a decade trying to just get the US Congress to be half-way reasonable and lost.

Thing is, scientists need funding and support. There's only so much opposition your research can face before science just gets stamped on.

 No.2302

>>2300
>>2301
It's true that according to that document, there's no simple pedophilia, only pedophilic disorder, yet the section specifically about pedophilia in the DSM contradicts that, explicitly saying that there is such a thing as pedophilic sexual interest without pedophilic disorder (end of first paragraph beneath Diagnostic Features). At the very least the Wiki article should note that there is a dispute or avoid saying something not completely true in the very first paragraph.

 No.2303

>>2300
A fellow trained in psychology explained it to me like this:

'I believe "a sexual desire or behavior that involves another person’s psychological distress" means the attraction is to the effects of abuse itself, and "a desire for sexual behaviors involving unwilling persons or persons unable to give legal consent" means the individual actually wants to engage in those behaviors in real life. I don't think either of these suggest that it is a disorder to have fantasies of children being able to consent for which the person does not intend to engage in real life.'

So, basically, no, pedophilia is not automatically a disorder. There's no contradiction per se, and the Wikipedia article is wrong.

 No.2304

>>2303
Of course, the definition is still steeped in the moral relativisms of law, so there's that, but at least blatant contradiction is avoided.

 No.2305

So it is a legal definition. It is bad science and the APA is corrupt for colluding with legal entities.



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