cb3473 No.4812496
So I know we're all fixated on Rubio's questionable results but there is something I think we should discuss: Saudi Arabia's lack of stability.
89.8% of Saudi Arabia's exports (on which its economy depends) are oil and petrochemical related. The next biggest sector is scrap iron, aluminum, and related products. With the price of oil declining, we should consider the implications of reduced revenues for the Saudis.
Saudi Arabia is not food-independent, the population must import food to feed itself.
The labor force of Saudi Arabia has about 30 million inhabitants but a labor force of only 8 million. 80% of that labor force is foreign. Much of Saudi Arabia's native population lives off of what might be the most generous welfare system on the planet.
Then we consider Saudi Arabia's military. It's armed to the teeth with some of the best weapons money can buy but its own people are largely incapable of using it. They rely on foreign advisers, contractors, trainers, etc. to maintain and make use of their equipment.
Now the real fun: the line of royal succession. Ibn Saud -> Saud -> Faisal -> Khalid -> Fahd -> Abdullah -> Salman. Everyone there but Ibn Saud are brothers, sons of Ibn Saud. So consider that Salman is the last of the brothers, has broken tradition by naming his nephew as Crown Prince. Everything's out the window now. The sons of Ibn Saud's brothers feel scorned, the thousands of Ibn Saud's grandsons who're out of the line of succession feel scorned. These guys aren't powerless though, many control vital business sectors, important ministries, high military posts, etc. They all have enormous bank accounts, foreign accounts, and many have been building personal fiefdoms within the Saudi government or economy for decades. And they all think they deserve a shot at being King.
So to sum up points, we have:
>A huge portion of the population that is permanently unemployed
>A country that cannot feed itself
>A country whose infrastructure and services rely almost entirely on the labor done by foreign experts
>A country that relies on enormous oil export revenues to maintain a generous welfare system for its populace
>A country in which the majority religion is a very hard-line sect of Islam
>A country known to harbor some of the Islamic world's most radical and well-connected extremists
>A military armed to the teeth with the best weaponry money can buy
>A country that might or might not have nukes
>Key ministries and business sectors controlled by various princes from competing or outright hostile branches of the ruling dynasty - almost all of these controlled as personal fiefdoms for decades or more by the individual princes in question
>A succession tradition that is now totally invalid
>Declining global oil prices and thus profits on the country's only real economic sector
cont'd next post but some discussion on this would be nice.
cb3473 No.4812562
>>4812496
>Retired US Generals, Admirals, experienced officers, and non-commissioned officers are 100% for sale via a private company known as MPRI (among a few others). Companies like this have offered "lease-a-command-staff" packages during wars in the past and they have proven more than worth the cost.
>Russian and Ukrainian pilots, bombs, missiles, combat aircraft, and support personnel are 100% for sale. Private companies have composed the effective air forces of a handful of African countries since the 90's.
>There are private companies currently operating air combat training, maintenance, and armament packages using retired personnel and equipment from the USA, the UK, France, and Germany.
>South African special forces have been for sale since the mid-90's with a sterling reputation and record, the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts have seen special forces personnel of the USA, UK, and France doing similar work but not on the immense "hire an entire goddamn army" scale that the South Africans pioneered… yet
It's going to be a goddamn free-for-all. Every mercenary, contractor, etc. is going to smell blood money and the Saudi princes will have more than enough of it. They'll have equipment and personnel they can't use (because their own combat pilots are afraid to fly through clouds- just an example) but foreigners are more than capable of using. There's going to be Islamist militias akin to ISIS marauding about, princes' private militaries fighting, some hardliner loyalists like the SANG fighting everyone, and a population of ~25 million suddenly cut off from food, water, electricity, entertainment, and welfare money.
IF there is a civil war in Saudi Arabia, we will see the most fucked up orgy of violence, profit, and ideology run amok since the various wars in Africa of the 1990's… except this time the combatants will have nigh limitless piles of money and some of the most advanced weaponry on the planet.
How do we profit from it and how do we keep our countries from getting sucked into the mess?
252b40 No.4812617
hope we can get some neat youtube footage from this on gopro cameras like in syria
0ea53d No.4812660
OP, I'm more worried about Turkey which is ,defacto, in a civil war already.
cb3473 No.4812725
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4812617
If the succession struggle isn't silenced or kept quiet, expect loads of footage. We can already see footage of Saudis fighting the Yemeni Houthi rebels.
See embed related. That tank can fire on the move and should always have its front glacis to the enemy, but it's just hanging out in the open, alone and vulnerable. This isn't an isolated incident, the Saudis consistently make amateurish mistakes and misuse their otherwise very capable equipment. This is despite extensive help from foreign trainers and contractors.
>>4812660
My hope for Turkey is that the military tries a coup again. They were going to pull one against Erdogan in 2003-4 but it failed. It was ONCE pretty normal for the military (Kemalists) to overthrow any government that was getting too religious and dictatorial. Erdogan broke that cycle, sadly. Here's hoping the Turkish military still has enough Kemalists and tradition to stand up and win any struggle in Turkey.
We think Erdogan is all-powerful, but knowing the nature of the Turkish military there's a good chance the Kemalists still control it and are biding their time.
You're right about civil war though- Turkey is practically at war with its Kurds while tacitly supporting ISIS. It's a mess, imagine if a Saudi civil war was thrown into that mess.
Also (because this portrait of Ataturk looks like Costanza)
>2004+12
>Allowing the AKP to retain power
>not launching a coup
>ISHYGDDT
37c188 No.4812740
Destroying Saudi Arambia is KEY to saving Europe. Destroy Arabia, and Israel falls to dust.
91510c No.4812745
Good thread op.
I DO want to see the saudi crime dynasty being burned alive.They are 99% responsible for what is happening in syria, they literally made ISIS.
Right now they are bombing yemeni civilians (houthis) on a daily basis and the saudi bought international media totally ignores it.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f1f_1454326478
91510c No.4812778
>>4812725
You beat me on the Houthis lol.
Also, the saudi rats have the latest military tech (they just spent billions on CANADIAN weapons) and the houthis can still kick some ass.
19fdf8 No.4812784
180 post op, threads like this are what make 8ch superior.
personally im looking forward to those saudi shitskins getting whats coming to them.
0ea53d No.4812813
>>4812725
>We think Erdogan is all-powerful, but knowing the nature of the Turkish military there's a good chance the Kemalists still control it and are biding their time.
From what I've read, the first thing Erdogan did was to replace Kemalist officers with people loyal to him.
bfe7a6 No.4812828
>>4812562
Great thread OP. Do you have more info about the mercenaries and contractors employed by the Saudi governments?
803085 No.4812868
>>4812496
You seem much more militarily and geopolitically knowledgeable than me, where do Qatar and Yemen/Oman/UAE stand in this? Are they on the same sinking ship?
bfe7a6 No.4812903
>>4812868
Qatar, UAE and Bahrain all follow Saudi Arabia's lead (although Bahrain is vulnerable to revolution because its population is majority shia).
Oman stays on its own, doesn't really do much.
Yemen is in the middle of civil war and is split between a Hadi government in Aden backed by Saudi mercenaries and airpower, and Shia Houthis in the North-west (bordering Saudi) backed by Iran
3ae0d9 No.4812982
Could there be any possibility of an Islamist revolution/overthrow of the Saudis or an Islamist insurgency rather than a civil war between princes? Or could that only happen if Saudi Arabia is destabilized by war first?
dea7be No.4813074
>>4812740
>Destroying Saudi Arambia is KEY to saving Europe.
Reminder Saudi Arabia is using its vast wealth to take control of the UN to globally spread the "Islamophobia" "#NotAllMuslims" etc. subversion campaigns.
cb3473 No.4813091
>>4812740
Recall that during the 60's and 70's during the Nasserist Pan-Arab movements in Syria, Egypt, Iraq, and Yemen the (largely secular) governments had problems with Islamist radicals. Recall that those radicals were almost always linked to or eventually sought refuge in Saudi Arabia. There's a reason they don't have many friends in the region even among other autocratic Gulf petro states.
>>4812745
>>4812778
Problem is the air and ground campaigns are being waged by idiots. They don't hit real targets, their ground incursions are laughably ineffective, and all I see it doing is strengthening support for the Houthi government and angering Shiites in Saudi Arabia.
>>4812784
Happy to contribute, let's keep discussion flowing so the thread can flourish. I recently sent my girlfriend an email along these lines when she asked about Saudi Arabia, figured a thread would be good.
>meet grill
>she's wonderful, smart, fun
>sadly, she's smart in a literary sense but not about the world, politics, economics, etc.
>she wants to address this so we have boozy "classes" for her
>she's been drawing maps of the continents to improve her geography skills
>she looks up little facts about the countries
>she sees fucked up things about SA and asks me
>I compose an email pretty similar to the OP
>figured I'd share it with 8ch as it's interesting and a position I've held for a long time
>>4812813
That kind of tradition doesn't just go away though, believe me. Kemalists have been the dominant force in the Turkish military since the 1920's. You think that kind of tradition just disappears at the whim of one strongman? I'm hoping it doesn't but I don't know enough about the purges to really give an accurate assessment of their efficacy. Can you contribute something more comprehensive to the thread? It'd be both welcome and interesting.
>>4812828
No, not really. I know the Saudis are close with every major defense contractor in the USA, UK, and France. I know they have civilian personnel from those companies or other smaller 3rd party contractors doing practically ALL of the maintenance on their military equipment. As to outright mercenaries, I'm unsure. I know they're for sale and they WILL find work in SA if it turns to civil war. I do not know the extent of SA's current use thereof. I do know the Saudis play host to permanent training and support missions from the US, UK, and French militaries. From stories I've read, they practically need their hands held to conduct basic no-fly-zone operations. No word on ground or naval combat but I can imagine it's similar.
>>4812868
This guy
>>4812903
is pretty spot-on. Bahrain used attack helicopters outright against crowds during the Arab Spring. Bahrain's military is made up largely of Sunni foreigners because the Sunni royal family doesn't trust the Shiite natives.
One thing the other Gulf States have though is that they aren't THE backers of a uniquely "conservative" (read: batshittier than the rest) strain of Islam called Wahhabism. Aside from that, they're in a similar boat as the Saudis. The UAE does have the advantage of banking, ports, and tourism as economic fallbacks that aren't petrochemical or oil though. Aside from those differences- yeah, you get the picture.
>>4812966
Thanks, contribute to discussion! Ask questions! Let's make imageboards great again.
>>4812982
That risk exists but the Saudis have outlets for it. The Mutawim (sp?) are a religious police that occupy a lot of SA's crazier Islamists. The SANG (Saudi Arabian National Guard- which is kinda like an army/air force hybrid of a ROYAL GUARD) would likely keep any unified Islamist effort somewhat suppressed.
As to numerous movements based on region, tribe, or sect? Expect them to be wrapped up into the forces of various Princes fighting for dominance i.e. "The Islamic Front" fights for the Minister of Defense while "The Front for Islam" fights for the Minister of Petroleum and Resources… that kind of thing.
Remember that the Arab way of war was always light cavalry, quick strikes, what amounts to semi-organized guerrilla actions. This way of warfare helped win the Islamic conquests and was only stopped cold when gunpowder came about. Now it's been re-invented for the modern age and we're seeing its efficacy with the insurgencies in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan (lots of Arab fighters there), Turkish Kurdistan, and ISIS tactics. There's no reason to think Saudi princes won't make use of that way of war when/if the Saudi Civil war comes.
I nearly forgot my Costanza/Ataturk pic!
49f86d No.4813103
>>4813074
They also financed bosnias and Albanians during the Yugoslavian war. Gave them weapons and sent mujahedins. Bosnia perhaps wouldnt have survived long enough for Americans to save them if Saudis didn't send them weapons, money and fighters. They still create mosques and fund terrorism there.
49f86d No.4813119
>>4813091
Filthy Turk detected
803085 No.4813199
>>4813091
>Let's make imageboards great again.
Right on, mate
>she sees fucked up things about SA and asks me
>I compose an email pretty similar to the OP
We need more fine men like you in here
Are the classic Blue and Red teams going to interfere in any way? We already know that the fall of petroleum's prices was doctored by investors, but is it gonna remain a highly volatile yet completely Islamic area or are we gonna see actual landgrabs for once in our lifetime? I recently bought a wall sized map and I'm just sighing at how mistaken my purchase was in these weird, interesting times.
cb3473 No.4813252
>>4813119
Nah, but I have a soft spot for the Kemalist brand of Kebab. I know a lot of Turks here in the USA and they're friendly enough, will talk openly about how shit the AKP is. If I have to choose a force to dominate the politics of a Muslim-majority country, I'll choose a secularist military that isn't averse to coups over almost any other realistic option.
The Turks do need to leave Germany though, now. I don't care how delicious the doener is.
Also Erdogan is playing VERY fast and loose with Turkey's NATO backing. If the rest of NATO had more of a spine and their noses out of Saudi/Israeli interests, we'd seriously censure or threaten to kick Turkey out of the alliance.
>>4813103
The Saudis fund Islamic schools in Pakistan. They also fund hospitals but that's for
>muh PR
purposes. They're well-known for funding every Islamist cause they can, including the Mujaheddin during the Afghan insurgency against the Soviets.
It should hardly surprise anyone when Saudi ties to ISIS are brought up. They might not be ACTIVELY funding them, but you can bet their ass the Saudis financed any number of Islamic schools (read: terrorist factories) prior to the formation of [insert the latest group of Islamist crazies to cause trouble here]
>>4813199
Laminate the map and use a dry-erase marker to draw new shit. Seriously, might be fun!
I'm not sure. You can bet your ass the Red and Blue teams will get involved at least via proxies. Expect 'Murika to send in MPRI (Military Professional Resources Inc.) at the minimum. The Russkies will send Alpha Group (the private one) and might just allow some airpower to be leased. The UK will contribute the corporate "children" of Sandline Intl.
These PMC's won't be merely purchased by Saudi Princes, the governments of the major powers will use black budgets to help finance the services of these groups in pursuit of their interests/backing their chosen "horse" in the race of the Saudi princes.
If/when it comes to a Saudi civil war, investors stand to gain a metric fuckton of money. Anyone remember those old Dune FPS games from Westwood? It'll be like that.
>fight in the desert
>buy units to control resources
>sell resources (spice)
>buy more units
>win game
Except this is real life and they're going to try to sell oil from within their fiefdoms to finance further dominance over their rivals.
c3387a No.4813435
some quick breakdown on who the hell are those kemalists and what would they gain throwing down Erdo?
Is it just them seeing he is mad so they took him down wait for someone better rinse and repeat?
cb3473 No.4813549
>>4813435
Kemalists are the followers of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the father of the modern Turkish state.
From Wikikepedia:
Kemalism, as it was implemented by Mustafa Kemal Atatürk, was defined by sweeping political, social, cultural and religious reforms designed to separate the new Turkish state from its Ottoman predecessor and embrace a Westernized way of living, including the establishment of democracy, civil and political equality for women, secularism, state support of the sciences and free education, many of which were first introduced to Turkey during Atatürk's presidency in his reforms.
That's it. The military in Turkey have traditionally been the big force behind Kemalism. Every couple of years, they used to launch a coup to oust whatever party in government seemed to be dismantling the reforms. This happened like clockwork until 2003-4 when Erdogan's AKP got the jump on the military and a series of arrests and show trials ensued. Since then, Erdogan's been consolidating power and rolling back reforms. We can also see stepped up aggression against the Kurds and tacit support (ISIS oil trucks entering Turkey) for Islamist movements. Normally, the level of Islamic devotion Erdogan shows publicly would be unacceptable, as would be his rolling back of secular reforms. Normally, the military would launch a coup against leaders like that.
My hope for Turkey is that Erdogan didn't get all the Kemalists in the military and there will be another coup, this time successful.
Speaking of coups and mercenaries, pic related is a legend. Bob Denard, look him up.
bfe7a6 No.4813602
What will happen to the East of Saudi?
They're shiites who hate the Saudi state and have already tried to revolt before
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Qatif_Uprising
They also sit on top of most of Saudi Arabia's oil.
Presumably in a war Iran would try to use them as proxies (as they do Shias everywhere in the Middle East). But if this was successful, Iran would then be in control of the entire Persian Gulf (almost) and its oil.
859791 No.4813679
There was a thread a few days ago about Saudi Arabia having 6 months before it crashes, and they're moving tons of money around. How long do you give it OP?
91510c No.4813711
c3387a No.4813728
>>4813549
>separate the new Turkish state from its Ottoman predecessor and embrace a Westernized way
what a cool dude
cb3473 No.4813789
>>4813679
When does King Salman die? That's the breaking point.
>>4813602
Oh man, Iran will use them as proxies you can bet your ass. Coupled with Iraq's Shiite-supremacist government? Oh yeah. I mean, why do you think the Gulf States are being so quiet about fighting ISIS? They're a potential Sunni proxy force in any showdown with Iran.
You can bet that they'll be a primary target for the SANG (Saudi Arabian National Guard) and maybe one of the few forces the Princes will fight before they fight one another. This will also be a major motivator for Western aid in the form of PMC's, weapons, support, etc.
>>4813711
Thanks.
>>4813728
I certainly like him! When I first learned about Turkish politics and the relative prosperity Kemalism has brought, it's somewhat shocking that people in Turkey would want anything else. Oh well, mudslimes. What else can you say?
269a54 No.4814103
>>4812496
>How do we profit from it
What, seeing the fucking Saudis murder each other isn't reward enough?
This has been one of my long standing desires, to watch these fucking assholes die horrible deaths.
Everything they have, is because they happened to be sitting on oil reserves, they're like Jews but worse.
At least the Jews have generally high IQs and invent things, the Saudis invented fuck all, and have done nothing but be an active burden on this planet, and a shit tier diplomatic "ally".
TL;DR The best way we can profit off this is by breaking out the popcorn and watching the apes in fine clothing murder each other in the streets.
803085 No.4814147
>>4813252
>The Saudis fund Islamic schools in Pakistan. They also fund hospitals but that's for
>>muh PR
>purposes. They're well-known for funding every Islamist cause they can, including the Mujaheddin during the Afghan insurgency against the Soviets.
Why would they even care about PR if they have all that money from just sitting there and robbing oil out of their territories? Even in all their apathy, the general public knows how shit life is in SA.
>>4813252
>Laminate the map and use a dry-erase marker to draw new shit. Seriously, might be fun!
Yeah guess I'mma do that, I love map art
>These PMC's won't be merely purchased by Saudi Princes, the governments of the major powers will use black budgets to help finance the services of these groups in pursuit of their interests/backing their chosen "horse" in the race of the Saudi princes.
I wonder just for how long are they gonna keep going with proxy wars rather than annex shit or declare some provinces independent.
Also can you imagine if either Red or Blue team gains Mecca and Medina? Shit'd be hilarious
>>4813549
>Kemalists are the followers of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the father of the modern Turkish state.
Guy's proof that even among the worst of humanity, sometimes, a genius is born that sweeps all the negativity aside.
803085 No.4814209
>>4814103
>Everything they have, is because they happened to be sitting on oil reserves, they're like Jews but worse.
>At least the Jews have generally high IQs and invent things, the Saudis invented fuck all, and have done nothing but be an active burden on this planet, and a shit tier diplomatic "ally".
Exactly what I was thinking earlier today. Despite all things, I'd still support a Greater Israel over whatever Islamist country you could possibly form. At least I can LIVE in Israel without the constant fear of having some shitskin assaulting me, regardless of who founded him, because I wasn't fucking goats or giving him the whole Quran from memory backwards while doing stomach crunches.
cb3473 No.4814211
So the thread's slowing down.
I think we should start making predictions. I'll stick to my area of expertise: investment. How would one invest to make the most of a Saudi Civil War?
>L3 owns MPRI who will be hired and paid handsomely in any conflict
>Mantech Intl.
>Kellogg, Brown, and Root
>Fluor Corp
>Harris Corporation
>G4S
alongside the traditional defense contractors and giants.
Naturally, keep an ear to the ground and watch out for leaks and scuttlebutt from places like /pol/ because it can be surprisingly good investment advice in times of instability. Enough spitballing about what companies are involved in a conspiracy will yield the right answers sometimes - do your homework.
>>4814103
You can enjoy the show and make some money while you're at it. Why not?
To me, most of the Middle East are like the Beverly Hillbillies - suddenly rich from oil but woefully out of their depth.
>>4814147
The Saudis care about PR because of their fucked up Islamic "special relationship" with Pakistan. Seriously, look into the Saudi-Pakistani special relationship.
Actually land-grabbing in the Middle East invites a shitstorm I don't think the Red or Blue teams want. They want the resources and they want a local proxy to deal with any consequences but if Iraq and Afghanistan hammered home any message in the last decade or so, it's this:
Occupying any part of the Middle East is a pants-on-head retarded, fruitless endeavor.
Whatever you'd gain from it is outweighed by the sheer amount of shit with which you'll have to deal.
cb3473 No.4814284
>>4814209
Or we can let the whole region go down in flames, make a tidy profit from supplying various sides in the process, and swoop in once things have somewhat settled.
I'm honestly shocked that we, the West, don't invest more heavily into nuclear technology to supplement our energy and transportation needs. Between that and domestic fossil energy sources, we should be "set" to ride out the storm. We don't really NEED mideast oil supplies, that's for the developing economies in Asia mostly. We WANT control over them but a sustained crisis in the Middle East means depressed manufacturing and economies in Asia– which is a prime chance for the West to jack up export numbers to said countries.
We sit pretty with our functional economies, export and make the most off of the economic turmoil the Middle East wars cause (buying up Asian factories, industrial concerns, land, etc.) and off the wars themselves, then swoop in to finish the job and start harvesting the oil ourselves or using Asian proxies. For advanced economies like those in the West, we really shouldn't be using oil for energy- we should be using it for petrochemicals mostly.
088aff No.4814309
>>4813789
>>4814211
You're a cool dude with good insights, do stick around
>occupying the middle east is retarded (paraphrased)
classic_blunder_land_war_in_asia.jpg
c3387a No.4814320
is lebanon fucked, heard like half of their population is fugees
also what will russia do in this since I think they hate this saudi-turkey coalition
803085 No.4814350
>>4814211
>Occupying any part of the Middle East is a pants-on-head retarded, fruitless endeavor.
That's true, I was just talking about the neighboring countries.
>>4814284
>I'm honestly shocked that we, the West, don't invest more heavily into nuclear technology to supplement our energy and transportation needs.
Nuclear is a no-no because of retarded hippies, boomers and neolefties being all muh environment and muh alternative energy (a really good investment on a small scale but disastrous on an entire country, imo), transport is not nearly as interesting to the youth over internet related tech. It's astounding how many people refuse to invest in new tech rather than immediate and frivolous projects.
I wonder if there's any African country that will ever give the West an actual chance, rather than just soak up the funds and fuck off to fight more civil wars.
269a54 No.4814370
>>4814211
And how would you propose making money off of these fools?
While, I did JROTC I don't have any formal military training (though I was planning on becoming an officer in the army for some time), so even though I'm in shape and a pretty decent shot, I doubt any mercenary organizations would take me.
Also, your Beverly Hillbillies comparison is spot on, these people were irrelevant before the industrial revolution and rise of big oil. As soon as oil is replaced as the leading energy provider to the world, they go back to obscurity.
Their entire kingdom, vast arsenals, and even their population are temporary, the byproducts of a temporary boom that will collapse in on itself.
It's times like these where it feels good to remember that I live next to one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, with incredibly fertile land for hundreds of miles around.
088aff No.4814396
>>4814309
Whipped this up, on a whim.
91510c No.4814398
saudi rats trying to install their own puppets in a "new syrian gov."
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=df6_1454400269
>>4814320
They are allies with Syria, imo. if Syria goes down they will follow soon.Im surprised they don§t already have isis.
803085 No.4814458
>>4814370
>Also, your Beverly Hillbillies comparison is spot on, these people were irrelevant before the industrial revolution and rise of big oil. As soon as oil is replaced as the leading energy provider to the world, they go back to obscurity.
Not only that, from my own acquaintances I've been told that research into some kind of germ-based fuel system is pretty much in its finishing state. I don't remember the exact specifics because I'm dumb like that, but apparently it's a biotechnically manufactured new fuel that can potentially replace petrol.
>Their entire kingdom, vast arsenals, and even their population are temporary, the byproducts of a temporary boom that will collapse in on itself.
I feel that the biggest threat isn't the fact they'll fall into obscurity, they will undoubtedly do that. My fear is that they're gonna take us alongside them, both with the Islamization of the West (fucking France is more moor than Spain right now) and the possibility of chemical based weaponry being developed by these cretins. I really hope Mecca is hit so hard that it destroys the will to preach out of these people.
>It's times like these where it feels good to remember that I live next to one of the largest bodies of fresh water in the world, with incredibly fertile land for hundreds of miles around.
I wonder just how far are we into research for reusable water and purification of salt water. That'd be a big game changer for sure.
d737e0 No.4814477
>>4814103
>jews invent things
They're just better at stealing things.
It says a lot about how fucking dumb arabs are that they can't even steal well.
000000 No.4814514
>>4814458
I think it is more about the price than the technology. As long as nuclear (or anything else) is more expensive than oil, oil will be used even if the alternative is "better". Given the research we have pumped into refining oil and the investment in petrochemicals (agriculture mostly) I believe we will be stuck with oil for quite a while longer.
6bc5b1 No.4814530
fb924b No.4814572
>>4813252
>So how exactly do we invest to make a ton of money? Are PMC's publicly traded? How to pick the right horse? I don't have any moral qualms about Saudis killing each other or Sunni vs Shiite. I want to know how to be the Jew and profit from 'selling' to both (or more) sides.
cb3473 No.4814637
>>4814350
Botswana. They're not doing badly. Slow burn, sure, but they're steadily becoming non-shitty and they're the least corrupt economy in Africa. That's an accomplishment!
The Seychelles also stand out after their market reforms, but wealth inequality is crazy high.
It's funny you mention tech. That's my specialty, I own a tech company. We replace human labor with processing power and software. Won't give away much more because a /pol/ack owner isn't exactly good for PR. I'd love to be involved in more "mundane" and practical tech but there's a really high cost of entry.
I think that's one of the brilliant things about the tech sector and internet/software specifically: the equipment is dirt cheap, many of the associated services and infrastructure are also dirt cheap. It's a shining example of what happens when the cost of physical capital, and thus cost of entry, are so low. The problem is that speculation has run amok and we're getting outlandish IPO's and share prices for companies that aren't even worth a fraction of their market cap.
>>4814370
Invest. Why risk your literal ass when you can only risk your metaphorical financial ass? Tons of these companies are publicly traded and a Saudi Civil War will be the greatest boom these companies are likely to see in our lifetimes. Get in while the getting's good. Not that you should take investment advice from some anon on /pol/ as gospel truth- do your own homework.
>>4814398
Lebanon has Hezbollah, which will fight any Sunni force as hard as it can. That would prove interesting, as we already see some Hezbollah-ISIS fighting.
>>4814458
Won't replace oil, as oil's cheap. However, if oil prices get high enough, it suddenly becomes viable. The problem is the large scale infrastructure required to make the stuff. It's algae-based and has to undergo transestherification to be made into useful fuel- at the minimum. So you need these massive photobioreactors to produce it and chemical plants to process it. Additionally, this process doesn't produce some of the useful petrochemicals (mostly hydrocarbon solvents) that oil does. So algae based products are only really good for fuel and then only when produced at an immense scale.
Good call though! Again, this is only useful with high oil prices and in economies that can manage it. Developing economies like those in Asia will still be hopelessly dependent on oil for a long time… specifically mideast oil.
>>4814514
Well, we're looking at externalities being added to or subtracted from the costs. When dealing with almost any fossil fuel resource (coal, oil, natty gas) you don't have to pay the externalities.
With nuclear, regulations require operators and researchers to pay out huge insurance, waste disposal, exclusion zone, monitoring, and other costs at every step in the energy cycle from primary resource extraction to usage to waste disposal.
If fossil fuel sources had to pay for their externalities in a similar fashion, we'd see oil at $200 a barrel and 1000MW coal power stations costing more than a nuclear reactor with 3x that capacity.
That's just my $0.02 though.
>>4814572
see
>>4814211
for a few suggestions and jumping-off points. Shorting any company that relies on Saudi Arabia being stable also helps- things like construction, real estate, foodservice, etc. that operate primarily in SA.
Oh yeah, and forget about any company that gets dumped by the SAMA - Saudi Arabia's Sovereign Wealth Fund. They're going to sell off like mad in the case of a civil war and it'll spark some shit. Similarly, Saudi-held real estate in the USA or elsewhere is likely to be sold to raise funds so keep an eye out there. Some real estate giants (at least the few publicly traded ones) will make a killing on any Saudi-held real estate in the West as it gets sold off.
000000 No.4814676
>>4814637
Agreed, if they had to pay for all the shit they do (env damage etc) then it would be much more costly and nuclear would have a shot. As it stands, oil companies have our balls in a vice by holding alternative energy to a standard they themselves don't adhere to.
803085 No.4814793
>>4814637
>Oh yeah, and forget about any company that gets dumped by the SAMA - Saudi Arabia's Sovereign Wealth Fund. They're going to sell off like mad in the case of a civil war and it'll spark some shit. Similarly, Saudi-held real estate in the USA or elsewhere is likely to be sold to raise funds so keep an eye out there. Some real estate giants (at least the few publicly traded ones) will make a killing on any Saudi-held real estate in the West as it gets sold off.
I can't wait for sports teams to be held in palaces and with sponsors that honor muzzies over older western sports stars, that's for sure.
>>4814676
I guess the problem with alternative energy and petrol is also that most people are grossly uninformed on their effective use, costs, applicability et all. Again, I think they might be useful in some very small and contained neighborhoods, or city-states, but I can't expect and entire country to suddenly switch to something as unreliable. Plus, all the news surrounding actual pollution is nebulous at best.
bfe7a6 No.4814803
>>4814350
>I wonder if there's any African country that will ever give the West an actual chance
Maybe Madagascar; their IQ is higher because of the South-East Asian admixture. 82 vs. around 70 on the rest of the continent.
90f760 No.4814808
>>4812496
>A country that might or might not have nukes
These are allegedly Neutron bombs dropped near Sana, middle of last year as a threat to the local population.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJh2K8xuDzA
fb924b No.4814898
>>4814637
>forget about any company that gets dumped by the SAMA - Saudi Arabia's Sovereign Wealth Fund
You mean don't forget right?
cb3473 No.4815071
>>4814898
I mean, companies wherein the SANA holds a major stake are prime targets for short-selling because a selloff that massive will trigger a snowball selloff to drive shares into the shitter- or at least well towards the shitter for a time.
So I largely mean "forget" about them maintaining value in the short term during a Saudi civil war.
>>4814808
I was more thinking about Saudi Arabia's Royal Strategic Missile Forces, their close relationship with Pakistan, their unease over Iranian nukes, and the rumors they could outright buy nukes from Pakistan. Let's also not forget their financial contribution to Pakistan's nuclear program- which is well known.
>>4814793
Environmental issues are such a sad mess for me. The "Right" is just adamant they don't exist while the Left thinks taxes and killing the economy is the answer. What follows are some largely unconnected personal thoughts because why not share them to keep the thread going?
Ocean acidification is real and linked to carbon emissions as the direct cause. We can debate climate change overall but ocean acidification is real and it's destroying the oceans. The answer isn't, however, to kill our economy and pay out carbon taxes to internationalists.
It's sad that environmentalism is the "turf" of the Left because they've done so little to really help the environment. Hunters, fishermen, sportsmen, outdoorsmen, and those who make ther living from nature are generally very right wing and put forth the most concrete measures AND actual effort to help environmental causes.
It wasn't new laws or tax credits that saved the trout and rivers of East Tennessee- it was dedicated fishermen working hand-in-hand with scientists and ecologists.
It won't be alternative energy companies propped up by the government that revitalize the energy sector in the USA, it'll be entrepreneurs working tirelessly on things like 4th generation nuclear reactors.
e08a21 No.4815690
>>4813728
Gallipoli - Memorial at Anzac Cove
"Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives…
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours…
You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace, after having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well."
– Ataturk, 1934
If there's such a thing as a based Turk, Kemal Ataturk was it.
b1c927 No.4815779
>>>4812562
>(because their own combat pilots are afraid to fly through clouds- just an example)
with what I know of them, I don't know why this came as a surprise. What gets me, is even the most average iq pilot will fly through clouds
49f86d No.4815890
>>4815690
But Ataturk genocided all Christians of Anatolia.
cb3473 No.4815903
>>4815779
Superstition. Just search around for anecdotes on the interwebs about Americans or Brits trying to train Arab militaries. It's a nightmare.
Here's a quick overview. Kinda dry but it makes the point well:
http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/AD_Issues/amdipl_17/articles/deatkine_arabs1.html
It's not a perfect article but it'll help with understanding why I think the Saudis will make extensive use of foreigners to operate equipment and fight in any civil war scenario.
786ed9 No.4816060
>>4815071
>Environmental issues are such a sad mess for me. The "Right" is just adamant they don't exist while the Left thinks taxes and killing the economy is the answer.
This is my biggest problem with the left-right dichotomy, to be honest. The issues are split so that you can't have everything right in a 2-party system. I am full /pol/ on just about every social and economical issue, but when it comes to science I can't just do the thing where I shut my ears and ignore very well supported facts. Leave that to liberals.
8ea810 No.4816186
>>4816060
Those poor turtles could fall, that's dangerous for the turtles.
Fucking Arab people.
49f86d No.4816255
>>4816186
>Fucking Arab people
>Arab
>People
You spelled Sand monkeys wrong
c3387a No.4816445
>>4815903
there was this video of Iraqi trained by US and all they did was standing blind fire completely out of cover by MG and spamming rockets every second
no fucking wonder the cities look like shit after fighting
do they literally believe the god will guide the bullets
cb3473 No.4816505
>>4816445
Well, we're getting away from the scope of the threads but… yeah.
Will of Allah, man. If the bullets are meant to hit their target, they will. If the gun's going to jam, it will. This naturally doesn't apply to all units and we can see some clear mechanical ability in all that clanking done during the Libyan and Syrian civil wars. Read the article, it talks about how Arab maintenance is more about command and control than any real lack of mechanical ability. Compare this to Soviet equipment which was designed to be "disposable"
I mean, some will aim- clearly. It's just that a degree of fatalism and lack of effort pervades Arab militaries.
786ed9 No.4816552
>>4816445
>they believe god will guide their bullets
You ever been in a car in the middle east? The motherfuckers also think that god will stop their car when they're going 70mph, in a city, 3 feet behind another car.
They literally cannot comprehend consequences.
2b8233 No.4816586
>>4812740
>Destroying Saudi Arambia is KEY to saving Europe. Destroy Arabia, and Israel falls to dust.
This. If Saudi Arabia falls, the kike's complex system of alliances in the middle east would collapse leaving them entirely exposed.
c3387a No.4816609
>>4816505
yeah im in process of learning
I thought training of troops is related since I dont know if truthful rumors say that saudis are losing against yemenis with all their fancy gear
bfe7a6 No.4816613
>>4816445
>>4816505
I wondered if there was a reason the fighters never seem to be aiming properly in Syrian footage.
I just put it down to them being untrained 85 IQ Arabs.
No wonder Arabs have never been soldiers: even the caliphates used Persian/Turks, and why two hundred million of them can't defeat 6 million Jews.
786ed9 No.4816673
>>4816613
>Arabs have never been soldiers
That is not strictly true, as Arabs have historically been pretty good at desert fighting. Whenever forced to leave their environment, though, they were rather shit. Then again, perhaps it was just the historical unwillingness of organized militaries to make large incursions into their shitholes. Rome never bothered much, and the couple of times Persia invaded the desert the tribesmen got BTFO.
7618f4 No.4816677
>>4813091
>I know they're for sale and they WILL find work in SA if it turns to civil war. I do not know the extent of SA's current use thereof. I do know the Saudis play host to permanent training and support missions from the US, UK, and French militaries. From stories I've read, they practically need their hands held to conduct basic no-fly-zone operations.
Sounds like they are making one of the biggest fuckups that any prince governing a principality can make. If you increasingly rely on mercenaries to be your ground forces (which seems to be the case) there's simply nothing stopping them from deposing them and seizing control.
Machiavelli says it much better than me:
In particular:
>"I say, therefore, that the arms with which a prince defends his state are either his own, or they are mercenaries, auxiliaries, or mixed. Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe; which I should have little trouble to prove, for the ruin of Italy has been caused by nothing else than by resting all her hopes for many years on mercenaries, and although they formerly made some display and appeared valiant amongst themselves, yet when the foreigners came they showed what they were. Thus it was that Charles, King of France, was allowed to seize Italy with chalk in hand; 1 and he who told us that our sins were the cause of it told the truth, but they were not the sins he imagined, but those which I have related. And as they were the sins of princes, it is the princes who have also suffered the penalty."
source: http://www.constitution.org/mac/prince12.htm?PageSpeed=noscript
I guess that all that western decadence is taking a toll on the Saudi royal family. And you know who already has a plan to sweep in and take control. Hint: think Yinon Plan
553a66 No.4816688
>your face when someone FINALLY nukes the cube
GODDAMN IT CRIPPLEKIKE YOU MAKE THIS POST GO THROUGH
c424e4 No.4816716
>>4816586
> >>
and when a middle eastern state collapses the Jihadists come in to establish a theocracy.
Supposedly the ISIS goons believe the end of the world is coming, and they are required to hunt down all the Jews when the world ends.
Could we see huge attack on Israel?
bfe7a6 No.4816734
>>4816673
The first Saudi kingdom was destroyed because they pissed off the Ottomans and so they marched into the desert, razed the capital and then left.
Generally noone could be bothered to go far inland. I think the Ethopians invaded before Islam.
>>4816688
The cube proably isn't even real. Some Shia stole it in the 9th century and then 'returned it' after a huge ransom was payed a few decades later. They also desecrated the 'sacred' well of Zamzam which Hajis still drink from by filling it with the bodies of pilgrims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qarmatians
786ed9 No.4816756
>>4816734
>The first Saudi kingdom was destroyed because they pissed off the Ottomans and so they marched into the desert, razed the capital and then left.
>Generally noone could be bothered to go far inland. I think the Ethopians invaded before Islam.
That is true. Also, the Ethiopians who BTFO'd the Arabs quite easily were later BTFOd themselves by a couple hundred Sassanid cavalry. Arabs aren't able to stand up against actual, organized militaries.
786ed9 No.4816791
>>4816756
The only Arab forces that seem to perform quite well seem to be Shia, what with Hezbollah and the Houthis, though it might just be a case of them being slightly less shit than their opposition.
4989ca No.4816797
>>4816734
They flam flam the zamzam? That's fucked up
7618f4 No.4816849
>>4816677
>tfw no one here reads Machiavelli
c3387a No.4817015
after reading the article, its miracle they can wage war.
9b3c1b No.4817272
>>4812496
they are a lesser civilization and because of that decided to spend their money on
- ludicrous luxorious spending for the sheiks
- tall buildings
- extravagent building, empty
- 24 piston engine for a 4.5M$ car
thats pretty much it
meanwhile higher societies spend it on education, technology, the people
so theyll go down in flames
nukes will deicde how interesting that downfall is going to be
326a5d No.4817358
>>4816677
>>4816849
To be fair, that is common sense.
Would you rather fight next to a greedy jew or a man willing to lay down his life for his people?
The thing is that the Saudis literally have no other options, setting up a competent military would take decades, especially if there is no extant military tradition.
f2bbbd No.4817398
>>4814211
I don't trust any of those corps to pass along most of their earnings to their shareholders. Maybe G4S. Everybody else, it will grease pockets of the guys making the deals, especially the black money from outside.
5d7bf4 No.4817422
>>4812562
Sounds like a mercenrys wet dream… This is truly a once in a 1000 year opertunity for soilders of fortune. If they play their cards right they will come out with hundreads of millions of dollars and enough men and military equipment to set up independent theifdoms on private Islands…
>Sure Saudi scum, I can win battle x for you, just deliver an apache helicopter to that pretty little island in the south pacific and were good.
cb3473 No.4819540
>>4817422
Almost exactly that. There won't be PHYSICAL fiefdom carving, but expect there to be plenty of financial fiefdoms established.
>>4817398
I'm the OP, I hope my ID still reflects that. I don't have faith in may institutions left in this world but I DO have faith in the corporation. I own a company. We're not publicly traded, but still. I have faith in the collective financing of companies to deliver profits to all. It sounds silly, it sounds bowtie an-capish, and you can call me such. However, I still have faith in the entity we call the publicly traded corporation to deliver profits and figures to its shareholders.
Lose faith in God
Lose faith in governments
Lose faith in ideology
Lose faith in everything but your own family
But never lose faith in the American Corporation.
We all love to shit on Capitalism and corporations but let's be real here. The only people anywhere close to as financially savvy as the Jews are Whites. Ever wonder why our civilization is the primary host to the Jews? Surprise! It's because we're the most open and financially-oriented civilization on the planet.
I'm OP.
I'm a faggot for posting this thread.
I'm a faggot for attention whoring.
I don't give a fuck because I'm high off of a trivia victory tonight and meeting a potential "in" for a major client.
Let's further discuss this shit!
daefa0 No.4819734
>>4814147
>There are also some suggestions about the possibility of his Slavic origin, based on his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes.
Well, this fits the /pol/ narrative - it someone has something worthy it must be due to his whiteness. Seems a solid theory actually.
2e6f5e No.4819875
Imagine that fucking Saudi that owns Fox news learning what Jihad is really about.
2e6f5e No.4819937
cb3473 No.4819995
>>4819937
We discussed it, I think in my OP.
We did!
>>4812496
>A country that might or might not have nukes
75d193 No.4821799
>>4812496
>>4812562
Whats stopping the american empire from invading to "keep the peace" of their most valuable vassal?
daefa0 No.4821837
>>4817358
Except when his idea of a citizen militia was put to practice they got totally BTFO by mercenaries - this is what happens when you send a militia against professional soldiers.
75d193 No.4821952
>>4813602
>>4813679
>>4813789
The west of saudi, Hejaz, would also probably become their own independant state because of their cultural background
>People of Hejaz, who feel particularly connected to the holy places of Mecca and Medina, have probably the most strongly articulated identity of any regional grouping in Saudi Arabia. Their place of origin alienates them from the Saudi state, which invokes different narratives of the history of the Arabian Peninsula. Thus, they experienced tensions with people of Najd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hejaz#People_of_Hejaz
Najd being the middle part of KSA where the current capital, Riyadh is located
c424e4 No.4822009
>>4821799
yeah… The Americans have be so successful at nation building in Iraq, we have a wonderful fool proof model to follow in Arabia.
75d193 No.4822027
>>4822009
One could say the failure of Iraq was intentional to give rise to their other vassal, ISIS
I mean the KSA did last this long didnt they?
75cfff No.4822207
good read
I have nothing to contribute
c424e4 No.4822230
>>4822027
Fucking american exceptionalism..
We didn't fail. We meant to do that. It's all part of a secret plan.
803085 No.4822468
>>4819937
I guess it's kind of irrelevant if you have to call in outsiders to manage that shit. The two outcomes I can foresee in case they do have a nuclear arsenal is that either the mercs and specialists they're funding have more common sense than them and would rather prolong the war and their profits than send the entire world back to square one in the evolution cycle or the saudis themselves are gonna try and shoot them, yet fail spectacularly and create a nice little nuclear hole in the middle of their own property and deserts.
>>4819540
>We all love to shit on Capitalism and corporations but let's be real here. The only people anywhere close to as financially savvy as the Jews are Whites. Ever wonder why our civilization is the primary host to the Jews? Surprise! It's because we're the most open and financially-oriented civilization on the planet.
And it's exactly because of that that I don't understand why is it in their interest to flee right next to mudslimes and send such mudslimes to us. Probably some less scrupulous one outdoing them at their own work, but even for them that's low.
>>4822009
was more thinking about the fact you're literally sitting between self-exploding lunatics and armed Russians
762081 No.4823929
>>4812496
>>4812562
Sir I salute your quality post.
The downfall of Saudi Arabia might have important consequences for Internet censorship. We geeks will have an opportunity to see whether we are 1337 enough to keep the packets flowing over satellite links and radio links when the landlines go out.
>>4812617
Even if Internet goes out, people can put GoPro footage on disks and walk the disks out.
>>4812660
>OP, I'm more worried about Turkey which is ,defacto, in a civil war already.
Interesting. I will research that but I don't have an immediate answer.
>>4812740
>Destroy Arabia, and Israel falls to dust.
You know how to get everyone's hopes up!
762081 No.4823963
>>4814103
>What, seeing the fucking Saudis murder each other isn't reward enough?
>This has been one of my long standing desires, to watch these fucking assholes die horrible deaths.
>Everything they have, is because they happened to be sitting on oil reserves, they're like Jews but worse.
Saudi royalty are genetically Jewish. Unfortunately they are descended from the stupid and sociopathic branch of the Jews, not from the smart Jews.
070f08 No.4824403
First off, OP isn't a total faggot. This is a comfy thread.
Just thought i'd clear up something about ocean acidification. The oceans are alkaline. By acidification people mean that they are becoming slightly less alkaline, not acidic.
In the past when CO2 levels were a lot higher the oceans were not acidic. This is based on shells that are dated to those time periods.
This is just one of those things that are touted as proof we are destroying the planet. The left is nothing without its version of original sin.
For more climate related stuff i'd recommend:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/
There is a lot of good analysis on broad range of topics there.
I didn't sage even though it's a bit offtopic because I hate seeing leftist myths propagate
1c4712 No.4824412
>>4823963
>Saudi royalty are genetically Jewish
People always say this but I've never seen any proper evidence backing it up. Do you have any sources?
cb3473 No.4824573
>>4824403
This is correct. The issue is, and bear with me here, that it's astonishingly bad for corals, crustaceans, and amphipods. If you've ever kept a marine tank, you know that low alkalinity can set off all kinds of problems.
The oceans can and will survive falling pH, some creatures will certainly survive. The issue here is that a lot of corals and other species won't make the cut. As a coral-hugger, I naturally don't like that.
Speaking of Saudi Arabia, apparently the Red Sea reefs off Jeddah are some of the best in the world. Since there's so little tourism and economic activity there, the reefs are practically untouched.
762081 No.4824662
Here is a typical list of claims re the Jewish ancestry of Saudi royals.
I don't know whether this will be called "proper" evidence.
D. Mustafa Turan wrote, in The Donmeh Jews, that Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab was a descendant of a family of Donmeh Jews from Turkey. The Donmeh were descendants of followers of the infamous false-messiah of Judaism, Shabbetai Zevi, who shocked the Jewish world in 1666 by converting to Islam. Viewing it as a sacred mystery, Zevi’s followers imitated his conversion to Islam, though secretly keeping to their Kabbalistic doctrines. In Europe, the Shabbeteans were eventually led a century later by Jacob Frank, claiming to be a reincarnation of Zevi. And, according to Rabbi Antelman in To Eliminate the Opiate, to them belonged the Rothschilds who had a hand in the founding of the Bavarian Illuminati. The Donmeh community of Turkey were concentrated in the city of Salonika, which became a hotbed of Masonic activity, and from which the Young Turk movement evolved, which aided in the collapse of the Muslim empire of the Ottoman Turks. There is evidence that Ataturk himself, the founder of the modern Turkish state, was of Donmeh origin as well.
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Turan maintains that Abdul Wahhab’s grandfather, Sulayman was actually Shulman, having belonged to the Jewish community of Bursa in Turkey. From there he settled in Damascus, where he feigned Islam, but was apparently expelled for practicing sorcery. He then fled to Egypt and he again faced condemnation, so made his way he to the Hijaz, where he got married and fathered Abdul Wahhab. According to the report, the same is claimed in The Donmeh Jews and the Origin of the Saudi Wahabis, Rifat Salim Kabar.
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The notion of the Saudi family being of Jewish heritage has been published by Mohammad Sakher, who, it is claimed, was ordered killed by the regime for his revelations. The report relates a similar account, but from different sources. According The Wahabi Movement/The Truth and Roots, by Abdul Wahhab Ibrahim Al-Shammari, for example, ibn Saud is actually descended from Mordechai bin Ibrahim bin Mushi, a Jewish merchant from Basra. Apparently, when he was approached by members from the Arabian tribe of Aniza, then claimed to be one of them, and traveled with them to Najd and his name became Markhan bin Ibrahim bin Musa.
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Additionally, Abdul Wahhab was descended from Wahib Al-Tamimi, so, as reported by al Said Nasir, in The History of the Saud Family, the Saudi ambassador in Cairo, Abdullah bin Ibrahim al Mufaddal, paid Muhammad Al-Tamimi thirty five thousand Jinee in the year 1943, to forge a family tree of the Saudi family and that of Abdul Wahhab, and merge them into one, claiming their origin from the Prophet Mohammed.
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762081 No.4824671
>>4824662
Following are excerpts from an interview with former Lebanese minister Wiam Wahhab, which aired on Al-Jadid/New TV on December 1, 2008:
Wiam Wahhab: What Saudi Arabia is doing is worse than occupying Lebanon.
Interviewer: What is it doing?
Wiam Wahhab: Saudi Arabia is taking Lebanon… This royal family has no future in Saudi Arabia. Take it from me.
Interviewer: Why?
Wiam Wahhab: Let me tell you what will happen…
Interviewer: This is a deeply-rooted family, which founded Saudi Arabia.
Wiam Wahhab: This family took over a piece of land, which it called "Saudi Arabia," but its real name is the Arabian Peninsula. This is a pure land with wonderful pan-Arab people. This family distorted this land. Historically, this family was originally Jewish.
762081 No.4824741
>>4824671
THE SAUDI DYNASTY: FROM WHERE IS IT?
AND WHO IS THE REAL ANCESTOR OF THIS FAMILY?
RESEARCH AND PRESENTATION OF: MOHAMMAD SAKHER , who was ordered killed by the Saudi Regime for the following findings:
That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY, (MORDAKHAI), sought shelter in a farm called at that time AL-MALIBEED-GHUSAIBA near AL-ARID, which is called at our present time : AL-RIYADH.
He requested the owner of that farm to grant him an asylum. The farmer was so hospitable that he immediately gave him sanctuary. But that Jew (MORDAKHAI), no longer than a month had he stayed there, when he assassinated the land lord and all members of his family, pretending that all were killed by an invading band of thieves.
That Jewish Ancestor of the SAUDI FAMILY (MORDAKHAI), was quick to establish a "GUEST HOUSE" called "MADAFFA" on the land he usurped from his victims, and gathered around him a group of hypocrites who started to spread out false propaganda for him that he was a prominent Arab Sheikh. He plotted against Sheikh SALEH SALMAN ABDULLA AL TAMIMI, his original enemy, and caused his assassination in the mosque of the town called (AL-ZALAFI).
After that, he felt satisfied and safe to make (AL-DIRIYA) his permanent home. There he practiced polygamy at a wide scale, and indeed, he begot a lot of children whom he gave pure Arab names.
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?230809-Saudi-Royal-Family-and-the-its-Jewish-roots
a8d9d3 No.4825126
It's really good to see an intelligent thread like this, I have my own knowledge of Saudia Arabia which I'd like to contribute. It isn't stricktly related to the OP, but since this is such a good thread I'd like to post it anyway.
So, you can't talk about Saudia Arabia without talking about oil. And anyone talking about oil right now is talking about the price of oil.
So, a lot of speculation has been laid down over why Saudi Arabia has been producing so much oil for so long. There are three main explanations:
1) Reduce Russian revanues.
2) Reduce Iranian revanues (following the lifting of the embargo).
3) Destroy the nascant shale industry.
However there is a 4th explanation which is far more convincing, for me.
4) Any reduction of Saudi production will directly reduce Saudi income, and increase income for all Saudi competitors.
OPEC is over, there is no discipline amongst the member states. Whenever the production has been cut to maintain high prices, corrupt member states like Venuzela, Nigera, ect. have bypassed limits to make more money for themselves, at the expense of everyone else.
That's why the Saudi's have choosen to keep on pumping, any and all geopolitical and geoeconmic considerations are merely a bonus. Ultimately, it comes down to the fact that they make more money following maximum production than they would by limiting production.
One major factor in this however has been the rise of shale oil. Although numbers and statistics are important for this I'm going to save myself the time of looking them up, because the bottom line is that when oil is $60 a barrel, it will be worth drilling new holes for shale. Due to the massive size of most American shale oil shelfs, this means that shale wells can flood the market with oil. This means that the price of oil is unlikely to ever go as high as we've seen it in the last 5 years.
Next post: 2015 - 2020
cb3473 No.4825806
28fdad No.4825872
>>4824662
>>4824671
>>4824741
Interesting, but I'm not sure its really enough for me to accept that they're Jews (although it is possible).
Fun fact about the Donmeh Jews though; They made up a disproportionate number of the founders of Turkish nationalism and architects of the Armenian genocide.
ddd325 No.4825920
>>4825126
2015 - 2020
Saudi Arabia really has one chance, one shot, which I am almost certain they'll fail miserably to take. I think now some of the wiser, more intelligent Saudi elites are starting to see where they're heading.
Saudi Arabia stands out for a lot of reasons.
Despite generous benefits (which are now being scaled back) SA does pretty poorly in a number of areas. One example is that it has incredibly high rates of childhood obesity, another is that it consistently performs poorly on international tests.
I believe the next generation of wealthy Saudi's are going to be entitled, spoiled, and, worse of all, they'll see their country slowly sliding back from economic prosperity.
Lets review the finances of SA:
2015 budget:
Revenue $162.14 billion,
expenditure $260 billion
2016 budget:
Revenue (projected) $137.02 billion
expenditure (projected) $224.01 billion
Note that the 2015 budget received less revenue than was expected (because of the fall in oil prices) and spent more than expected (mainly military).
Now, despite the fall in budget, Saudi Arabia is still going to run our of financial reserves in around 5 years.
Current reserves: $623 billion
Reserves at December, 2014: $732 billion
These reserves will continue to dwindle, probably at an increased rate, due to more military involvement. SA has trillions in assets which it can take loans out against though, as long as people are willing to lend to them, that is.
Now the other side of the coin, technological advancements in the shale industry.
In the last 24 months shale companies have made fantastic progress in adapting to lower oil prices, new technologies like dissolvable drill heads save $300,000 a well, and that's one example.
http://oilprice.com/Finance/investing-and-trading-reports/The-Future-Of-Fracking-Is-Cleaner-Cheaper-And-Easier-With-Plasma.html
"Plasma Pulse is an easy-to-deploy technology that uses vibrations, or electrically generated plasma impulses to reduce viscosity, increase permeability and improve flow of oil and gas to the surface for extraction. The technology is designed to improve production costs effectively and without resorting to acidization, hydrofracking or other environmentally harmful processes."
Read the link and you'll see how much money could be saved in maintenance, and how many environmental regulations bypassed, using new technology like this. New cost saving processes like this will continue to be invented, patented, and applied in the western world. Gradually it will make shale more and more competitive, squeezing SA, and all other oil producers, harder and harder.
Next post: 2015 - 2020 part 2, domestic boogaloo
803085 No.4826852
>>4824573
>>4824403
Shit men, I learn more from these factoids than in three months of studies
4caa7e No.4828012
>>4826852
It's a part of why I love /pol/.
It's not just all shitposting and shills here.
eb40d1 No.4828149
Bumping a high quality thread in the face of today's shill invasion.
3f0eb6 No.4828297
Are there any good entry level/mid level books or journal articles that can act as decent introductions to modern Middle Eastern geopolitics involving Saudi Arabia? I have some understanding of the shit they did during the Cold War ie: setting up Madrassas, sending support to the Mujaheddin but I know little of what they're up to now so these threads always confuse the shit out of me sometimes.
cb3473 No.4828414
>>4826852
>>4828012
>>4828149
I'm honored. Let's keep making imageboards great again!
Not sure what to discuss at this point. Anyone have ideas? I don't just want to spout shit into an otherwise good thread so solid ideas are welcome, maybe post some of your own jumping-off points like this guy
>>4825126
>>4825920
has done so brilliantly.
>>4828297
Honestly? I read Foreign Affairs (the CFR's journal) and that seems to work pretty damn well for keeping me appraised. It's certainly from the US perspective but the analysis and policy proposal pieces give insight into US motives and perspectives. The analysis pieces do a pretty great job of distilling lots of data into a useful picture.
If anyone else has suggestions (especially good blogs) I'd love to hear them. Even as the OP, I love to read about this kind of shit- even non Middle Eastern stuff.
a8d9d3 No.4828548
>>4825920
Sorry I was talking to my qt.
2015 – 2020 part 2: domestic boogaloo
If every country which had a budget shortfall collapsed then there’d be no countries left.
A few more details: Of SA’s 30 million or so people, about 50% are between 25 and 50; 20% are 15 to 24, and roughly another 20% are under 15
Saudi Arabia could change. It could survive. The House of Saud could diversify the economy into Eight sectors—mining and metals, petrochemicals, manufacturing, retail and wholesale trade, tourism and hospitality, health care, finance, and construction. Instead of hiring foreign workers, they could get some of their millions of unemployed under 25. To tackle their youth unemployment, SA needs to create 3 million new jobs by 2020. This shouldn’t be difficult given that half the Saudi labour force is foreign workers.
http://www.brookings.edu/research/opinions/2015/12/30-saudi-arabia-economic-time-bomb-alkhatteeb
One of the bizarre facts of the Saudi economy is that it’s mainly state run, most people are employed by the state. With oil set to remain between $40 and $60 over the next 5 years (max) the Saudi’s will need to change to stop household income and GDP falling. They’ll need to make it easier for people to set up private businesses, they’ll need to provide finances for start-ups, and they’ll need to improve labour involvement.
I don’t see any of that happening, or by the time they started it’ll be too late. Firstly, no incentives for someone to do this, why work when the government or your rich uncle will pay for everything? Secondly, the Saudi’s would have to get over women working, and young men who’ve never had a job in their lives would have to get used to the idea of working. Finally, the Saudi’s would have to be strict with their budget: no wars. The Saudi’s are already dealing with opposition because of austerity, they’re too conservative to let women work (we’re talking about individual families, employers, and women themselves, not just the government) and many of their men are probably just too lazy to work. They’re too set on countering Iran to cut back on military spending, so that will probably only increase over the next few years.
In conclusion, I sincerely doubt the Saudi’s will be able to produce the needed increases in the private sector, labour force involvement, and productivity over the next 5 years. Once their foreign currency reserves start to run out they’ll begin selling off foreign assets to cover spending, by this time they might start diversifying their economy, but these changes take years to take effect.
Of course it’s worth keeping in mind that Aramco is worth between $1 and $10 trillion, so even after they’ve run out of money they can borrow like there’s no tomorrow.
a8d9d3 No.4828647
>>4828548
Also, anyone further interested in what SA could do to develop their economy, check out the December 2015 report by the McKinsky Global Institute 'Saudi Arabia Beyond Oil'.
For me personally, I don't hate all Saudi's, but they're a prime example of how a country can be defeated by success. Besides that… well, they don't deserve all the blame for funding terrorists, that's collectively the gulf state's fault and I look forward to watching Iran stomp them one day.
They're still just one of the worse actors out they're though, manipulating everyone around them, and executing everyone who disagrees.
They're worse than the jews.
And all that wealth has created what I'm convinced is the most degenerate and debauched upper class of any country. Most Saudi men only care about buying eastern european girlfriends and having drug fueled parties where they abuse whores.
562ec9 No.4828900
The Shia minority in Qatif province is growing restive. Small arms attacks on police are growing more common. Iran smuggles them weapons.
That's where the oil is produced
At this point I think Saudi might welcome a bombing on a pipeline though just to drive prices up a bit
562ec9 No.4828950
>>4828900
Adding to this:
ISIS wants KSA to collapse because they're feeling the pressure hard from the US, Kurds, Baghdad, Russia and SAA. They need to open up a new front of chaos to survive. If KSA descends into civil war they'll find many ready sympathizers and have an easy time seizing weapons and take pressure off their homeland in Iraq/Syria. Of course Saudis have supported ISIS in the past but that's the past.
To drive chaos in KSA, ISIS has done a number of attacks on Shia mosques, hoping to make the Shia minority so pissed off the rebel against the government, who they hate anyway. This would drive many more radical Saudis into the arms of ISIS (because they would want to see the government go full genocide on the Shia, which they're not willing to do)
9d14a3 No.4829002
If there's a civil war in Saudi Arabia, Iran will steamroll the place. Iranian generals are leagues ahead of their arab counterparts.
2c244e No.4829043
it's best for them to sink into a never-ending civil war and taste a bit of their own medicine. For decades they have been exporting and funding wahabi jihadism and causing death, fear and terror all over the world and it's time for them to experience the consequences of their deeds.
920c28 No.4829141
>>4829043
Rich saudis, who are responsible for terrorism, will GTFO. Only ordinary people suffer in these wars.
But, yeah, fuck Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
dd12df No.4829399
>>4814103
>At least the Jews have generally high IQs and invent things
Fucking bullshit you kike subhuman. As Lynn and other researchers note, kike IQs in Israel are 90-95. This is the only nation where kike IQs are reliably mass-tested the same way gentiles are, and they turn out to be stupid.
Kikes have spread lies that they are smart as part of a propaganda campaign started by the Board of Deputies of British Jews from the 1920s, which was getting real pissed at all the reserahcers who were saying jews have lower IQs than Northern Europeans. They hired kike social scientists to write fraudulent papers where kike IQs were bumped up from 90 to 125. All "kikes have geniuses IQs" claims since the 1920s have been by KIKEs like Jacobsons and Pinker. ALL OF THE CLAIMS.
Kikes are a stupid - but scheming - parasite race, like a more cunning version of niggers. They invent nothing, steal every invention and technology they have, and only get into good schools because they buy their way in with stolen money. Their kids get into Harvard with solid C grades, because they pay. They steal all their technology from the USA and Europe. ALL their military tech is stolen, from nuclear to missile defense to radar to fighters. Iron Dome is 80% made by Raytheon in the USA. Even their precious merkava tanks are 90% foreign-designed components.
If the (mostly European DNA) Rothschilds hadn't cracked the European banking sector a couple hundred year ago, all the other kikes would still be farming mud like niggers or muslims. They've been riding on the coat tails of the Rothschilds (who have incredibly diluted kike blood) after the Rothschilds realized other kikes were useful idiots who could be roped into helping Rothschils scams.
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7bcca6 No.4829472
>>4812562
And let's not forget that USA and Russia (and possibly China) will wage proxy war in order to get oil fields under their control. Pic related, Saudi Arabia has a lot of oil reserves that they are not exploiting.
92fc86 No.4829530
>>4828414
>appraised.
The appraised/apprised confusion makes Grammar Nazis cry.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/apprise
1b2984 No.4829573
They have a sovereign wealth fund to liquidate in their price war with American shale producers. That's their limit. Though they did do their first bond offering recently. I don't see them taking on much debt though. Of course they also have the war in Yemen to pay for and are bankrolling various terrorist turds in the region.
The plan is to reclaim marketshare and then they'll cut back on production jacking prices up. Iran is in the picture now that sanctions are off so that's a new wrinkle for them as well.
What I'd like to see, is their cutting back on the aloha snackbars allowance and one getting salty enough to blow up an oil field there. That would be great.
I could go on and on but like the Jews, fuck these sandniggers. Let them all rot.
cb3473 No.4829596
>>4829530
Thanks for the correction. I'm aware of the difference but it clearly slipped my mind.
Your correction is legitimately appreciated and you're doing God's work. It's always nice to know these things for future reference so you don't look like a goddamn idiot on the internet.
1b2984 No.4829606
>>4829399
I like your Jew hating passion. Carry on good sir.
77c49b No.4830290
>>4817272
And who does that remind you of?
77c49b No.4830326
Secret leaked chat from the Saudi Royal compound…
>For an extra 10000 US will you service us, the goat AND the camel? Danger pay? Sure bayby, 5000 extra.
5d2da1 No.4830619
2d4fab No.4830633
>>4816552
They ignore consequences, there is a documentary around here somewhere explaining exactly what they promoted after they burned all the infidel books in the golden age, cause/effect and reason were put on a chopping block so that people wouldn't think critically, notice how even in the modern world only the most educated people that come out of that country are already wealthy and descended from one warlord/royalty/tycoon or another; pretty much a feudal system, but more oriented toward military service in jihad, though as OP says its weighing down heavily and is going to cause warlords to war with each other instead of with foreigners/infidels.
c31d57 No.4835315
453f53 No.4835841
There's nothing civil about Saudis.
453f53 No.4835879
>>4829472
Saudis are just brown savages that were born siting on gold.
I hope Persians and Levantines will genocide them and nuke the box soon so that they can use the oil to make Middle East Great Again.
75d193 No.4835919
>>4829530
>same tine
that picture is quite ironic
269a54 No.4837735
I enjoyed this thread so I'm bumping it.
75d193 No.4850457
9b6c11 No.4854176
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4812562
> how do we keep our countries from getting sucked into the mess?
9b6c11 No.4854201
>>4813252
>but I have a soft spot for the Kemalist brand of Kebab.
You mean the guys that ethnically cleansed near the entirety of Constantinople's and Northern Cyprus' Christian population?
9b6c11 No.4854212
>>4815690
(1)
Good try, Mustafa.
9b6c11 No.4854239
>>4816445
>do they literally believe the god will guide the bullets
Well, it kinda worked for Serbia.
Too bad for dunecoons they are worshiping false idols.
9b6c11 No.4854286
>>4824662
>D. Mustafa Turan
>believing the D. Schlomo Goldshekelbergstein equivalent of turks
Man I hate arabs too but mongolshits will grasp at any straw to claim they are not inferior to them.
150421 No.4854594
>>4830619
A reactor is way way different from a bomb. Reactors typically don't atomize their fuel, and even when they do (Chernobyl), it's just carried by fire and doesn't make it to the upper atmosphere like a mushroom cloud does.
Nuclear power is by far our best option given current technology.
adb379 No.4854895
>>4830619
>2016
>Being a retarded moron.
Lad, really now.
7853e6 No.4855122
>>4829472
The value of the Saudi (and global) oil reserves are greatly overvalued
Models suggest that if a third of those reserves will be used (burned) the magical 2 degrees centigrade increase in global temperature will be reached.
So in the unlikely event global government reach an accord on global warming policies, two third of the oil reserves will remain in the ground.
Aside from that, citizens appeals for divestment in the oil industry are getting stronger every day.
7853e6 No.4882188
any news on these sandniggers?
b2c948 No.4903234
>>4882188
welp this happened >>4896734
b2c948 No.4904380
>>4882188
welp this happened >>4896734
8bd293 No.4904538
>>4812496
So basically they're that kid that plays video games and buys all their expensive overpowered gear with real money only to still suck dick at the game.
Kek.
>>4812562
>It's going to be a goddamn free-for-all. Every mercenary, contractor, etc. is going to smell blood money and the Saudi princes will have more than enough of it. They'll have equipment and personnel they can't use (because their own combat pilots are afraid to fly through clouds- just an example) but foreigners are more than capable of using. There's going to be Islamist militias akin to ISIS marauding about, princes' private militaries fighting, some hardliner loyalists like the SANG fighting everyone, and a population of ~25 million suddenly cut off from food, water, electricity, entertainment, and welfare money.
>IF there is a civil war in Saudi Arabia, we will see the most fucked up orgy of violence, profit, and ideology run amok since the various wars in Africa of the 1990's… except this time the combatants will have nigh limitless piles of money and some of the most advanced weaponry on the planet.
Sounds like /k/'s wet dream.
>tfw no military skills to become a soldier of fortune
Fuck.
cb3473 No.4904738
>>4903234
>>4904380
Since the other thread feels… kinda shit, I'll post about the exercises here.
The US military seems to have a favorite strategy in the Middle East. The terrain is open and they're very good at deception, so US forces tend to do feints. Position one force in one place but strike from elsewhere. It happened in:
>Gulf War
>Iraqi Freedom's initial invasion
>numerous larger scale urban assaults during the Iraqi insurgency
The exercise is primarily British and local Middle Eastern. The article linked is correct: Jordan plays host to lots of exercises and wargames- Jordan has maybe the most competent (not saying much, but still) Arab military but their armament pales in comparison to the oil-rich Gulf States.
The exercises are of an unusually large scale, but that's typical- you want to use military exercises to frighten enemies and embolden allies. This makes total sense with respect to Russia/Syria/ISIS/FSA.
If it IS a real Happening, then there would be American forces in large numbers somewhere else. To the best of my knowledge, there aren't. So to my reckoning, this isn't a Happening. It's certainly brinksmanship, but it just doesn't look like a prelude to Happening.
A secondary objective might be to limit or constrain Russian air operations. Turkey to the North, British and Gulf State forces to the South. Again, this is exerting pressure and flexing muscles, not any kind of prelude to attack.
>>4904538
You don't need to be a door-kicker to make bank. Invest appropriately and you too can profit. You don't even need to go super long, just buy when the King dies.
940e56 No.4905431
>>4904738
>The US military seems to have a favorite strategy in the Middle East. The terrain is open and they're very good at deception, so US forces tend to do feints. Position one force in one place but strike from elsewhere. It happened in:
this strategy works very well in Iraq which is almost all a flat plain with only small mountainous areas in the north, Syria is a very different situation though and to complicate the problem most of the Syrian population lives in heavily mountainous areas, especially Assad's Alawite sect
cb3473 No.4905619
>>4905431
Good point, hadn't considered this. I know much of Iraq's border with Syria is relatively open desert but didn't realize how relatively mountainous the Jordanian-Syrian border was.
Thanks!
Still though, not a substantial US presence with the wargames and you'd need to be pants-on-head retarded to attack into mountainous terrain if you didn't need to do so.
169ba7 No.4905951
>>4812562
Form our own PMC, be advisers and bodyguards.
How to avoid getting sucked into the mess….
Welp, can't happen. The ride is never over.
This is how WW3 will start.
Saudi civil war, combined with Russian excursions into Ukraine and Syria.
I for one intend to volunteer in the coming war.
Fuck being some infantry grunt, I got construction and heavy equipment experience.
And if I'm not dead/FUBAR at the end of it, I'll form the /k/ommandoes.
And we shall sail the world on the SS Dickbutt, fighting pirates and forming a private nation without borders.
We Diamond Dogs now
cb3473 No.4906122
>>4905951
Or sit on your ass at home and invest appropriately.
My company's working on a pretty simple but innovative drone project. Simple quadcopter shit but it's cheap and effective. Once it's mature, there's mad money to be made in countries with a high security risk.
Invest and innovate, don't risk your own ass. That's been the theme of this thread before hotheads started joining, saying they want to form a PMC or some other moronic shit. There is no shortage of trained people to do the fighting, thus there is no need for amateurs.
Let's keep LARPing out of this thread, keep things political.
8bd293 No.4906268
>>4904738
>Invest appropriately and you too can profit.
I would if I had anything to invest. I'm pretty damn poor and am honestly just waiting for a happening to spice up everyone's lives.