/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

>>4815846

To get a one world government in charge of all currency you would have to simultaneously collapse all other forms of currency. As described in that there post.

for +20 yrs people have been saying the economy is crashing/sinking

it never does

Saw this today:

http://business.financialpost.com/news/energy/imperial-oil-ltd-fourth-quarter-profit-sinks-with-the-price-of-oil

Imperial oil profits dropped 86% last quarter.

>tfw work in oil related industry

>tfw only worked 6 or 7 days in January

>>4815979

>what was 2007

Derivatives

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivatives_market

"The derivatives market is the financial market for derivatives, financial instruments like futures contracts or options, which are derived from other forms of assets."

tl;dr - "derivatives" are bets of bets, much like mortgage backed securities, but instead they are a debt, a bond or equity, repackaged dozens or hundreds of time.

Imagine the inverse of fiat currency's fractional reserve banking, and that's derivatives.

And if the economy grinds to a halt, all that debt is unpayable and all those bets go bad.

Globally, something in the neighborhood of

$1.2 QUADRILLION

of possible bad debt. All going bad at once.

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/052715/how-big-derivatives-market.asp

Europe accounts for ~$500 trillion of the market

https://archive.is/6aDzW

>>4816039

fuck off concern shill

the economy is doing better than ever

>>4815979

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stock_market_crashes_and_bear_markets

>>4815979

>for +20 yrs people have been saying the economy is crashing/sinking

I guess the water boiled nice and slow for you, eh?

>>4816064

Derivatives need to blow up. Then outlawed. They aren't even real its all just smoke.

>>4816093

why don't you take your tinfoil cap off storm faggot?

>>4816079

lol

>>4816100

>storm faggot

What board are you from?

>>4816100

Ironic shilling is still shilling, Anon.

>It's been fun folks, but I believe that this Fire Monkey Year is going to be a big one, there's a lot of dry tinder and it's just waiting for a match.

You're always on about this shit, but never anything fucking happens.

When was the last time /pol/ was right about anything economic?

Is this unprecedented?

Has there ever been an economic crash (as will probably happen soon) before the economies even recovered from the last crash?

>>4816131

This is unprecedented in size and scope.

Global trade has never gone to a standstill like this in recorded history.

>>4816130

Economic policy has been unprecedented since 2008. How long can it continue like this before something gives? That's the question. The central banking cartel needs to go.

>>4816146

>Global trade has never gone to a standstill like this in recorded history.

the best historic indicator of this scale would be the collapse of Roman trading during the fall of the empire

threads that expose debt based paper currencies are always shilled the hardest. there are pro-trump shills and anti-trump shills designed to keep you plebs locked into the dog and pony election show. reality is, the collapse is being orchestrated to implement a cashless society while capitalizing on the chaos to destroy and justify taking any freedom you may have left.

>>4816146

I actually hope that it happens soon. Then we can have the civil war, get it over with and the whole 14 words.

For all you city people moving innawoods, show some respect to the locals. Fucking spook decided to move next door and now she's fucking up the water tablet with her little fort she's building.

>>4816123

you caught me!

Now what's the next step of your master plan?

>>4816198

What exactly is she doing anon?

>>4816198

>spook

That seems like far too much foresight and too high a time preference thing to do for a spook

>>4816187

>the collapse is being orchestrated to implement a cashless society

How?

>>4815846

GUNS AMMO LIGHTERS CIGARETTES

>>4816214

CRASHING THIS ECONOMY.

==WITH NO SURVIVORS==

>>4815846

are there any screencaps of anons predicting mass migration to prop up the economies of US and Europe?

>>4816214

Trying to build a self sustainable property on only 5 acres. The same retarded idea that my aunt had back in the day. (why the hell would you dig a pond when you live next to a river)

>>4816217

She's retired for the most part.

>>4816230

ALCOHOL

LIGHTERS LIGHTERS LIGHTERS

SUGAR

>>4816253

>believing the lie that the invasion will do anything but crash the economy

Oh anon, how many 'refugees' do you think are employed?

>>4816264

> She's retired for the most part.

Oh, I thought you meant spook in the sense of nig

>>4816264

>Trying to build a self sustainable property on only 5 acres.

That's pretty fucking retarded, she should've just bought 10+ acres.

>>4816289

She could've afforded it with the blood money Uncle Sam gives you. Guess the powers that be want to piss me off.

>>4816268

rabbit hole never ends, thanks anon

>>4816286

I should have said 'prop up the economy' as the invasion as many more goals than that but youre right

>>4816193

waiting till after the collapse for civil war will be the death of liberty. people can be redpilled to our government being corrupt but when there are dindu riots and cities burning in unison with regular white folk resorting to acting like animals because they only have 3 days worth of food in their pantries, the military/feds/local police are not going to side against the government who will be justifying their actions in the name of restoring order. simply, they will do what gets them fed especially when they look around and see the plebs acting like rabid creatures begging for food and water. if you wait until after the collapse, you may only have 20,000 guys actively resisting the government forces tasked with restoring order by any means necessary, whether its rounding people up in labor camps or shooting anybody who resists in the fucking face.

any civil war after the collapse will be waged by extremely small groups with no way of communicating with each other. and the military will not be on your side when they are airdropping food into cities and you are still shooting federal forces. your own resistance will only fuel the fire needed to justify draconian measures.

once the collapse starts you already lost, the only question is how many people will you kill in vain. this is why we need a flashpoint and soon. we would have been much better off if shots were fired at bundy ranch. you can see why the feds were ordered to stand down.

>>4816229

most likely an rfid chip or biometrics. just google "cashless society" and you will see how it is being shilled by the media.

>>4816380

I know about that, I meant how will it come about.

>>4816187

What is bad about a cashless society?

Will it function by trading goods for goods?

>>4816442

No I believe it means all electronic transactions

all digital

>>4816442

>What is bad about a cashless society?

>Will it function by trading goods for goods?

Well, assuming it eventually comes to happen, who do you think will have any goods worth trading? Certainly nobody in the middle or lower classes.

The way we've developed after the industrial revolution makes so that there's entire socio-economical echelons in society which don't produce anything with any tangible value by themselves, what does an office worker make that he can barter with?

>>4816389

when the dollar and all other debt based fiat currencies implode, it will be blamed on lack of regulation and more specifically, cash. they will probably also blame "greedy capitalists" and you can see in the fact the bernie sanders, a literal socialist and the most popular democrat, that the plebs will not only support more marxist regulation, they will beg for it.

>>4816442

its not about it being inherently bad. its about the evil people that are conditioning people to want it. it will be totally government regulated so making black market purchases will be increasingly difficult with no cash in circulation. this makes resistance to any injustice astronomically more difficult.

So where are those smug assholes claiming that we were wrong about shmeitah

>>4816596

>>4816596

Oh they're still around. Watching. Waiting for the moment when they can shout ALARMIST!!!

>>4816341

nice LARP fantasy anon

its almost like nobody has ever heard of the 30 years war, the russian time of troubles and other happenings that occurred in the past. in both of those events, people had no food and were concurrently fighting foreign invasion, banditry and rebellion at the same time and there was no clear leader and there was plague. civilization returned within a generation

bump

>>4816079

>>4815979

Oh little shill, how very weak your derailing is.

Rest now, and dream of sheckles as we filter you.

>>4816079

>the economy is doing better than ever

Is your last name Rothschils?

>>4818155

dubs checked and confirmed.

ROTHSCHILDS ARE MONITORING THIS THREAD

Anyone else here of the mindset that the collapse isn't necessarily being orchestrated, but that it's happening because of things like resource depletion / declining white populations / third world overpopulation / environmental degradation?

I think what we're seeing is the natural result of any empire that overexpands past its resource limits, and all of the retarded shit the governments and central banks are doing is not so much a deliberate attempt at bringing down the economy, but actually a last-ditch attempt at keeping the system going for just a little bit longer, long-term consequences be damned.

I mean,, you see this type of thing happen in nature all the time. A population of animals will find a new food source and multiply exponentially until they've consumed it all, and then their population collapses again. I think we're at the point right before our population collapses.

>>4818487

you are correct, the people who assume that everything is "controlled by the boogeyman" are already operating under the mentality of an enslaved race.

>>4818487

I wouldn't say it's being organized, but I would say there are elementsder juden that are planning on taking advantage of it

The reality is that the US economy is complete and utter shit, and the low oil prices have blown away the last leg of the chair we're calling the economy.

Frankly, the US economy is the world economy, everyone is utterly tied to it, from the client states of Europe, that's really what they are, to our "rivals" like China who need Americans to buy shit

>>4818487

The collapse is absolutely orchestrated.

Every central bank, BIS, IMF action has pushed the planet further along this path of internationalism.

bump, I can smell the shills' fear.

Nikkei down 3% already

Bump for you

>>4819520

Economic collapse is a part of the nwo's plan. The shills, without knowing it, are a part of it, and they are not afraid because they think it's the right thing to do.

>>4819713

I've been waiting for the end to happen.

The end is upon us.

MODS, STICKY

>>4819894

A sticky on this is just going to attract even more shills, Anon. Just bump it with info if you have any local info in your area on the economy plowing into the ground.

Nikkei 225 17,280.46 17,515.68 17,080.57 -470.22 -2.65% 03:59:0

Nikkei is trying to bottom out below 17,000 right now.

Keep in mind there are lots of stops (and therefore HFT shenanigans) around the psychological large numbers (S&P500's 1800, 2000 | Dow 30 17,000 16,000 etc)

Japan just confirmed they will continue to take rates deeper into negative territory.

They're going ALL the way down the rabbit hole.

>>4819894

fucking why?

>>4816759

That was back when people on average knew how to live off the land, farm, and work.

You think the Free Shit Army is going to start putting down wire snares or harvesting wild herbs?

Don't be retarded.

>>4820129

Probably to attract more shills like you.

3 days without electronic transactions, a just-in-time economy, empty grocery store shelves, millions of rioting dindus and possible shitskin coup attempts in yurop…

Any idiot can do the math on this, but unfortunately you're dumber than that so I'll spell it out for you:

UNPRECEDENTED MASS DEATH

of course the shills pull the chute as soon as they get BTFO

>hide economy threads

>do not respond to economy threads

>sage economy threads

You can't keep this slid :D

>>4820161

fair enough you have a point, but the die off in those events didn't end civilization, the die off in a modern happening wouldn't end civilization either. but that is just my opinion, I would totally starve though, the only way I could survive is by robbing people and or joining a armed gang but i'd most likely die in my neighborhood defending cucks from niggers.

>>4821405

A 90% die-off would set us back probably a good 80 years technologically, just due to collateral damage in our high-tech sectors.

Even now, a lot of engineering is held together with baling twine, duct tape, and good will.

>>4821405

A lot of our communication infrastructure is antiquated and fragile, from what I've heard it would take a lot of work to replace it.

>>4821405

>likely die in my neighborhood defending cucks from niggers.

You're doing it wrong anon, you do like a reverse ann frank, pretend you are going to help them then throw them to the niggers.

Cucks deserve no less

sage

>>4822002

sage isn't a downvote, retard

Can't slide it either.

Imagine how fucking hilarious its gonna be when Yahoo's female dominated management starts fighting it out as the company collapses. Seriously, if "diverse" companies keep displaying such incompetence then surely investors will start to shy away from them.

>>4824001

I can't find the graphic but there’s a story a woman did

about working in an all female company and it was

scathing.

There was a similar one where 3 groups were pitted against eachother in some business contest, all male, all female, mixed. The all male one was the clear winner with the all female one worse than last.

I for one am going to enjoy my popcorn when this shit show kicks off

>>4824001

I think it's hilarious from a business standpoint, they focus all their energy on pushing diversity because they think that's the reason their business model is failing.

Anyway, these things work themselves out. Yahoo will simply fail.

>>4824073

One of my guilty pleasures is watching Survivor. They had a Yahoo executive woman on the last two seasons, and she was so disruptive and obnoxious. If I was invested in Yahoo, I would have gotten out as soon as I saw the lunatics they promote. There was also a jew on last season and he completely lived up to stereotype by allying with athletic blacks and by exhibiting an unnatural loathing of the athletic white golden boy and scheming against him while purporting to be his ally.

>>4820161

The only people who understand how to live off the land are rural white people. Best thing that could happen.

Bump because the shilling is fucking unreal.

>>4825066

>>4824073

can confirm, I was one of two guys in an all female office for a year

It was hell on earth

>>4825305

https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE%3ATWTR

>>4815979

crashes in the global economy since 1990:

>East Asian Market Crisis

>Latin American Debt Crisis

>Dot-Com Bubble Bust

>Subprime/Lehman Brothers Collapse and subsequent recession

Plenty of crashes for 25 years

>>4818487

You're absolutely right and at the same time you're not.

For the people in the central banks and the big boy names in the finance and economy world, nothing of this is surprising, they didnt plan it, but they do expect and believe they can patch the system a little longer and in the meantime include some new policies that heavily benefits "them".

Slid all the way to page 9

But you can't keep a good thread down!

I actually have a question for you guys.

I have about $11,300 in student loans (I know, big mistake). I also have a full-time job and live with my parents, and if I manage my money wisely I estimate I can be out of debt by July.

The question is: is it worth it to get out of debt? Or would I be better off using the money to buy gold, guns, and supplies, and just wait for everything to collapse?

I'm having trouble gauging how quickly things are going to fall apart in the next year, and how far things will fall.

>>4833233

>asking /pol/ for financial advice

That's not smart

pay off your damn loans, there's no promise this is going to go belly up this year, and even if it does society won't collapse you LARPing faggot

>>4815788

The US market has been in recession since September.

>>4833233

Kill the debt.

>>4833233

>>4833233

>can pay 10K in a few months

>nice job but also lives with his mum

This feeling is not quite envy but it certainly is something like it. Good job.

Get some savings together for when you get tired of the basement, at least.

>>4815979

Reported.

>>4816273

coffee

spices

aspirin & antibiotics

primers, powder, casings, bullet molds & lead

>>4833233

Depends on what you want to do. If you are going to live as a good goy debt slave, you will need to have good credit so you can buy an overpriced house and an overpriced car.

If you want to be a bad goy, just burn them and keep all your assets somewhere where they can't seize them. Move your ass to Texas when you want to buy a home (you will have to save up for this for a while, or move into a trailer community and pay cash), as homesteads here are absolutely protected from judgements (they can't even put a lien on one). If you want a car, save up and buy with cash.

Or you can be a medium goy and just pay out that loan as slow as you possibly can and wait for it to be wiped out by hyperinflation. Pay it off with the cost of a cup of coffee.

>>4833233

Get out of debt, but work on getting the bare minimum of bug out gear. $2,000 spent on a budget rifle and essential supplies goes a very long way.

>>4833233

Depending on what your job is and the terms of your loans you probably dont need to worry too much about that debt.

Try to save up $15k by July instead of paying off the debt.

If hyperinflation happens and you don't lose your job you'll be able to pay off your debt at a fraction of it's original cost. Having cash on hand to convert into gold, food and tools should things start to look grim is more important.

If you have the money saved and the debt is going to become a problem you can just pay if off in a lump sum.

>>4816146

>World War II

>The Great Depression

>World War I

>the Napoleonic Wars

>the French and Indian Wars

Those are from the top of my head. Hell, the fourth and fifth examples completely froze all Atlantic trade as every global empire ended up picking sides and piracy was rampant.

Look at the 10 year treasury bonds, they are under 2%. We are at about 0.5% interest right now. Germany is at about 0% and Japan is in the negatives now.

This means stock market fags are betting billion of dollars that interest rates won't rise for over ten years.

We deflationary spiral nao. Too many richfags concentrating too much wealth at the top. I don't want to sound like a /leftypol/ fag but if the consumers don't have any cash to buy shit, the consumer driven economy probly isn't going to do so well right?

>>4833731

Same story with me. I have about 5 grand in debt but also a fairly good job, so I'm not concerned about paying it off as fast as possible. Also I'm not falling for the good goy dream of owning a slowly deteriorating mcmansion in the suburbs, financed by 1,342,978 mortgages. Like my poor clueless parents did.

>>4833857

There was still trade in world war I, remember the lusitania, goyim.

World war II, go look up IBM, GM and other companies.

There was still trade and there was still commerce in everything you stated.

Every single sealane is affected now.

>>4820161

>people on average knew how to live off the land, farm, and work

Not city centers and you vastly overestimate the average peasant's ability to maintain his estate in isolation.

>>4835488

>what are demographics

Go look up historical data about urban/rural division of population.

The average peasant had neighbours. As long as his fields weren't being ransacked he was fine.

The cities are going to turn into pits.

$DUST broke down to an all time low.

>>4835654

Yeah, I know how that works, but famine was a regular occurrence in medieval or even early modern Europe. There are records of officials entering towns and finding entire families dead from starvation, sitting at their table. One dry harvest, one poor crop, one infestation and an entire village can be uprooted.

You also have NO idea how poor farming techniques traditionally were. Crop rotation was an invention of the early enlightenment, for example, and variety was unheard of. An agricultural textbook (or even a historical text) can give even the slickest of city dwellers a knowledge base on par with a 17th century serf.

year after year, on every chan board, the "economy is tanking", yet, it never happens

and it never will … because no other alternative exists

>>4835703

While I don't doubt an economic crash could happen and be severe, I doubt /pol/'s doomsaying will ever come to fruition, at least where the economy's concerned.

Basically, this guy is right- /pol/ predicts a massive happening tier crash every year and keeps readjusting the data to accommodate for missed dates. It's /pol/'s version of climate change.

>>4821811

So nothing of value would be lost. Only transhumanists would actually care.

>>4818487

No, anon, boom bust cycles are orchestrated, that's why they coincide with SHEMITA YEARS, and this year is the 7th of a 7 year cycle – A jubilee year, which happens every 49 years. It is Always the Jews.

You must be new to /pol/…

When shit crashes to nothing then the Jews buy up everything for pennies on the dollar.

>>4818487

I guess you think the "Migrant Crisis" just happened, coincidentally along with this?

Nope, it's the Jews: http://pastebin.com/Vv7xx5i6

>>4818541

> the people who assume that everything is "controlled by the boogeyman"

The fools who ignore the jews don't make them go away.

>at work

>my boss is acting all twitchy

>"yo, boss, what gives?"

>"Ah man, the stocks are tanking. My Ford (yes, he talks about his stocks like they are pets) was at 15 and now it is 11"

>"Oy vey, boss man"

>get weird look back

>a little bit later, out back with the smoker, working on whole chickens

>"So what were you saying the other day about the Federal Reserve being a scam?"

Only when the end is facing them straight in the face will they finally slip the indoctrination.

/pol/ is always right

>>4835758

You really are fucking stupid, aren't you? Boom-bust cycles occur on regular cycles based on the style of the economy.

America has traditionally shown faster growth at the cost of deeper trows and more frequent busts. Europe, which has always had a controlled economy to various extents, has always shown slower growth but with the benefit of a more stable economy with lighter bust cycles. Not everything is some Jewish conspiracy, even if they are involved.

>>4835758

Boom bust cycles are natural, it's only "orchestrated" when it's deliberately delayed, extended, or accelerated. Basically interference because reasons.

>>4835700

You're comparing droughts and famines to the economic paralysis caused by overindebtedness. dissembling/10

I like how the shills are finally posting here though.

>>4816341

no you can't have them blaming "white racists" for the collapse

>>4818541

There's only one outcome of having unlimited fiat printing, and once the math is explained regarding debt-based fractional reserve currencies, there's only one conclusion.

When those printed reserve currencies go directly into the pockets of the elite, then things become very clear.

Nobody will accept a global currency. We know what the kikes have planned.

The BIS, Fed, IMF and central banks the world over have an expiration date, simply due to the math.

1.2 quadrillion in unfunded derivatives.

Tick tock.

>>4818487

Its pretty simple

the fiat banking system HAS to have unlimited growth or it stops functioning. You need one of three things

>high birth rates

>high immigration rates

>invade people and steal resources and take slaves

That is how the Jewish banking system works and why every real revolutionary, the first thing they did was take over the bank for the people and ban usury.

>George Washington did it

>Andrew Jackson did it

>Nepolean did it.

>Hitler did it

You can't address ALL our problem until you address the banking system. Its the key to this whole mess.

>>4833233

I'd give it 6-12 months before it gets really bad.

They may hold off until the election is over, to prevent a Trump landslide, which means you would probably see shit start to get really sour in October, then hit the fan end of November.

>be on /pol/ in 2012

>see thread "economy is collapsing"

>be on /pol/ in 2013

>see thread "economy is collapsing"

>be on /pol/ in 2014

>see thread "economy is collapsing"

>be on /pol/ in 2015

>see thread "economy is collapsing"

>be on /pol/ in 2016

>see thread "economy is collapsing"

I don't give a shit about your Jew numbers anymore

>>4835978

>My head is so firmly wedged up my own ass that nothing short of an economic implosion will convince me that the murican economy is doing poorly.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand filtered–g'night little boy.

>>4835978

The international shipping lines have slowed way down, early January a lot of freighters simply hung around the docks waiting for something to do.

>>4836043

They're just shills, anon, don't get too rustled.

>>4836062

None of the shills actually know what Baltic Dry is, as far as they're concerned, it's a frigid eastern european woman.

>>4835855

Debts have nothing to do with people starving to death. Debt peonage only works if the person in question is alive to continue laboring for you. Look at the company stores of the 19th century for an idea of how that works.

>>4835884

Underrated post

>>4833233

get rid of debt as soon as possible. when shit hits the fan no guarantee of incoming money

>>4835884

This this this

>>4836169

If shit hits the fan like you're forecasting, debt won't fucking matter. You think it meant jackshit to families in the dustbowl?

>>4836169

I'd rather buy a piece of land out in the country with water and grazing fields and forests and go into debt than pay up on debts if a full scale collapse happened.

>>4835884

Except Washington didn't do it.

He was like, "I don't know finance, you guys figure it out… (Hamilton vs Jefferson)"

"Hamilton was the primary author of the economic policies of the George Washington administration."

This cocksucker Hamilton, an agent of the Jews worked on behalf of the Rothschilds to corrupt the US.

That fucking snake was rewarded by being on the 10 dollar bill despite never being president and he was killed by burr.

>>4836565

http://nypost.com/2015/02/14/alexander-hamiltons-improbable-life-story-inspires-new-musical/

Hamilton was exactly jewish but went to a jewish school and his mom was married to a jew.

this fucking cocksucker sent us on a warpath to central banking and jackson put a bullet in that so deep it was lodged in there for a century and lincoln, despite being a cuck defended it. Madison did too in the war of 1811, which was really the rothschild trying to get the US back in wraps.

Also, napolean IS the cause of the rothschilds taking over england with the battle of waterloo.

The only man to stop jewish tryanny was hitler because the jews offically won after WW1 with the fall of the czar, their empire was complete.

The Jews have only ruled in this century but their power became stronger than the kings in the 18th.

please fix ur fucking facts

>>4836611

related.

>>4835838

>The slave mentality of the bogeyman runs it all mentality is that you become paralyzed.

You're implying that one can not revolt, regardless of anything else that one thinks.

You are giving me a false dichotomy and then pseudo intellectually assuming the high ground, like a moron.

>>4835838

To expand on this: >>4836813

Explain Hitler then. He thought the Jews were running Media, Commerce, and world politics against him. I suppose you think that Hitler could never accomplish anything because of his "slave mentality".

No, ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away, and acknowledging reality doesn't make you a slave.

>>4815979

You know how ((bankers)) pull all sorts of shit to prop up a hollow economy. Remember the GFC?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-04/worlds-biggest-containership-hard-aground-baltic-dry-crashes-below-300-first-time-ev

Baltic Dry under 300

SHEER COINCIDENCE GOYIM

>>4816442

>what is bad about the mark of the beast

>what is bad about having absolutely no restrictions on the amount of currency in circulation

Seriously?

>>4816079

go to bed, obama

>>4834599

subsistence wages = subsistence demand

>>4833290

>US market

>September

There's something familiar about it, but I can't seem to remember.

>>4819583

WORD BRO, DIABLO 2 WAS EPIC.

>>4844052

This is the crux of it.

They gutted the middle class. What the fuck did they think would happen? Then again, this is all according to plan so they can control the world. Fucking kikes.

>>4821819

>communication infrastructure is antiquated and fragile

And next to none of the profits from service bills are going into improving infrastructure. It's more profitable to complain about bandwidth usage "hogs" and raise rates, putting caps on usage, than to actually just slowly improve the infrastructure to meet demand.

>>4835855

lol he got you anon, the thirty years war and the time of troubles in russia included mass famine caused by drought, soldiers burning crops, farmland being devastated, farmers being slaughtered. and yet in about a generation civilization returned

>>4821811

so we would still essentially be a space faring civilization with atomic energy sounds perfect

>>4818560

> oil prices have blown away the last leg of the chair we're calling the economy

Maybe for Texas and the railroads cheap oil sucks but its a boon to the rest of the economy.

GM is flying high on cheap oil, they're selling record numbers of SUVs and pickups.

>>4847255

>he thinks millions dying is not a bad thing

>>4848963

>what are subprime autoloans

There are too many still around

Banks are like Aliens, they'll sacrifice their on to get what they want, become even bigger, strangle the economy even more

I'm betting Deutsche Bank will go under, thereby destroying europe and people moving their money to the US.

Once that is done, they'll take everyone down, the entire system

And thus rises the phoenix

Has there been a change in the size of the world fleet over the past few years?

This dude, Tim Worstall, is arguing this is the case:

>" 'The world fleet doubled in size between 2010 and 2013. At the same time, China doubled its shipyard capacity and took huge orders for new ships as it sought to control the commodities trade.

>“The dry cargo market was used to growth approaching 10pc for quite a few years on the trot,” said James Kidwell, chief executive of London-listed broker Braemar Shipping. “All of a sudden you’ve hit a market that’s gone flat. That is a radical change.

>“If you’ve got more ships than there are cargos, then freight rates are going to be weak – it’s that simple.'

>It is indeed that simple. What the Baltic Dry is telling us is not that global trade has collapsed. Rather, that global trade isn’t growing as fast as the supply of ships capable of performing that global trade. Thus the price of trading has fallen.

http://archive.is/w09EW

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2016/01/20/to-explain-the-baltic-dry-index-plunge-its-supply-not-demand/#418afc2021c0

>>4849542

just look at commodity prices

welp

Essential viewing.

Baltic dry keeps dipping lower.

Y'all should read this

>>4862242

just watched it

recommended

>>4864662

where did you get btc chart from?

my charting packages don't have it

>>4864677

https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitfinex/btcusd

>>4864773

hhhaha, my neighbors heard my laughter

good to see kindred spirits

>>4864824

>OY VEY INVEST IN THIS FIAT CURRENCY WHEN ALL FIAT CURRENCIES COLLAPSE

>>4849262

welcome to /pol/

>>4864868

thanks for the advice, you could've told me to in 2008, i'd be driving a Bugatti by now

>>4864900

exactly. it's such a cool invention (and the fanatic/technical userbase is amazing).

It's new white money.

>>4864744

dubs god among men

>>4833233

Debt is the soul killer. As long as you are in debt, you are owned by someone.

Get out of debt.

>>4864992

>new white money

I like this. Everyone copies white in the end anyway.

Kanye drives a care made by white people. His lawyers are white. White is the basis for all things good. This is also why jews pretend to be white.

>>4865154

mud mixed slave race, millions of deaths, "population control"

>>4862242

GREAT video. Topics include:

>the current economic systems collapse

>the 5000 families that control the world

>China plotting a steady route to dominance

>the coming commodities shortages

>the current tech bubble

>>4865200

Well that's the general idea. How they presume to keep the people from revolting or the creation of some popular leader when people are scared? I mean if i'm an average citizen and shit hits the fan, beside the government, i will give the fault to the gibsmedat.Who will prevent a lynching ?

>>4836611

I just wanted to add that the musical is fucking awful. Cultural marxism wherever you look at it. Hamilton is played by a spic and the rest of the Founding Fathers are niggers

>>4825782

Check those dubs

>>4815788

your point still stands but try to get the facts straight

the baltic dry index in the cost index for shipping of bulk commodities, indicating the health of the manufacturing industry

the cost of shipping finished goods is called the harpex

http://www.harperpetersen.com/harpex/harpexRH.do?timePeriod=Years2&&dataType=Harpex&floatLeft=None&floatRight=None

which is also crashing, yet is the global indicator of trade and the health of the consumer societies we build

what we are witnessing now is a deflationary death spiral

and contraray to the discussion had here by some anons the jews control is far from absolute, the picture is posted here frequently detailing jews are excellent in short term decision making but lack any coherent long term plan

in short what has happened is we hit deciling marginal returns, simply stated it requires much more effort to produce the same end result

imaging having to excavate 10 times as much rock to get the same ton of copper, having to spend 10 times as much money on better drills to get the same flow of oil, all the way to having more bureacrats being parasites then ever

all empires hit this phase and trouble always follows big time, now the respons of our society has been to throw the middle and working classes under the buss, stripmine all their assets so the elite can live in lala land for a little while longer

now here is the part where there scheming breaks down, the elites in their stupity think they are set apart from the masses and they think they will simply pay a million for a ferrari and drive over empty roads as the serfs use horse and cart

reality however will interfere in the form of economies of scale, if the elite have to pay for everything they will bankrupt themselves

they may think themselves special for being able to afford a million ferrari, but in reality that ferrari is pretty cheap because the materials needed to make it are cheaply extracted because for every ferrari sold, a thousand fords are sold

second the roads are maintained and present everywhere because a lot of plebs use them daily, should the plebs be reduced to serfs then the elites have to pay all of this out of there own pocket

protip even they cannot afford this: imaging having a gorilian dollars in a digital bankaccount and your car breaks down out in the sticks were they barter for produce, how much are you worth here and do you expect to find a car mechanic here

this was a simplified example to show the effects of nodal failure, once a major node like maintained roads go down in our society it drags everything down with it

and all the imaginary money the elites conjure up will not get any real work done

i will conclude be saying if only you know how much living standards have died since the 60's

have a chat with an old guy at your work, they will tell you how when they were young only the man working 40 hours/week could afford a middleclass livestyle and now they all complain in private that they too have to work longer hours because the youth is doing it to even afford to live

Family just decided to move back to great-grandpa's farm/homestead, we're moving within the next month and have a years worth of food, shitload of funs and ammo, tons of seed, and I have a back-up copy of wikipedia as well as a library full of husbandry, chemistry, medical, herbalist, and other books.

Farm is bordered by a river and a creek, sits on 13 acres with an additional 30 acres of woodland on leading into a national forest.

SHTF I'm claiming all of the land including the natl. forest.

My great-grandfather left this for me. I'm going to leave my great-grandchildren an empire.

>>4865087

welcome to /pol/

inb4 markets crash in 6.5 hours

today is looking bearish, a couple points to note

- Dow jones closed at 16,200 on friday and could easily fall back below the 16,000 mark today

-junk bonds looks like its finished its dead cat bounce and could resume falling past its 7 year lows ($HYG, $JNK)

-tech and finance have been having a rough time recently, if the rest of the market is bearish then these sectors look set to keep falling

Bump. First to fall will be Greece and China. If they both fall within 30 days (likely that they will), you're gonna see some serious shit.

>>4887370

Athens -8.6%

>>4887384

Would love to get some insight on the politics and atmosphere in Greece right now. The market is irrelevant for them at this point, they are SO CLOSE crashing and they know it. Question is what will they do? The kikes are nervous.

>>4887409

I work with a girl who came to aus from greece 2 years ago. She says that nationalist backing is very high but the media always downplay them and polis try to jail their leaders for irrelevant shit.

I think there were riots just recently

Great, I hope the global economy turns to shit soon. The lesson of human history is that when economic calamity strikes, civil unrest immediately follows and…..all conventional, polite Sunday-afternoon tea party politics immediately goes out of the window!

>>4887409

>>4887409

I work with a girl who came to aus from greece 2 years ago. She says that nationalist backing is very high but the media always downplay them and polis try to jail their leaders for irrelevant shit.

I think there were riots just recently

>>4887439

sorry repost;

the EU fucked them from the start, back in 2010; there was no way they were ever gong to repay any of those loans. They just became slaves to the jews

>>4815846

>"The Declining Population of Western countries has halted worldwide economic growth.

That's it. That explains the rapefugees and mexicans and whatnot.

>>4887469

they have no money to buy things

I suppose they can get into debt

GREECE DOWN 9.6%

>>4887492

I mean they're bringing in artificial population

EU STOCKS CRASHING DOWN INTO THE TOILET

WEW

>>4815788

So whats the best thing we can do to limit the effects?

>>4887370

Something tells me China won't fall within the next 30 days. Greece has been struggling on for a few years now, China has much more infrastructure, control, gold and reserves and their problems have only just started.

Barring massive social unrest on an unprecedented scale, I think Europe as a whole will go down before China will.

>>4887532

Diversity (financial, not cultural.)

*Gold

*Silver

*Stocks (something safe like a commodity. I'd recommend something agriculture related. Wheat, corn, sugar?)

*Treasury Bonds (not government bonds, however I don't think these will help much either.)

*Rental properties.

*Enough food and water for 3-6months

*A way out of any major city, rural relatives and a full tank of gas.

*Weapons.

*Group of like minded individuals.

>>4887611

I've bought some BTC instead of gold

Most of my capital is tied up shorting world markets

>>4887611

buy gold producers

I hope the plunge protection team doesn't ruin my day by opening the dow in the green

>>4887646

I doubt it

The best part is that investors are losing confidence in the central banks. Their successive moves are becoming less effective

>>4887640

What about miners? I've been thinking about getting 5K of BHP, they are diverse in metals 45% iron ore so they are fairly spread out.

They are tied to Rio Tinto though, that Brazil dam break knocked their shares down, they are around 16$ now. (Which my old man seems to think is good.)

>>4887694

get OGC on ASX

BHP is diversified in all commodities; commods are fucked

only gold is good, and maybe lithium

OGC is a great goldie

>>4887810

hory shet

>>4887751

Thanks for the advice anon.

>>4887878

no worries

I bought BDR today fwiw, but I think OGC is better

>>4833233

>get out of debt

>buy guns and ammo

>buy some gold & silver

also fyi silver has risen about $1.50 over the past week, gold is up nearly $80

we will see if this trend continues.

bump for fucked economy

>>4887574

riots in Hong Kong already!

>>4887532

ammunition

>>4891302

sauce?

check out GOLD

it's gone mental

>>4891302

>riots in Hong Kong already!

Don't forget how riots and protests are frequently used to manufacture consent for state powers to squash dissent and cause division.

See: BlackLivesMatter

>>4816093

The Weimar republic bought Dollars with their Marks to pay off their reparations, which may as well be debt. The economies are intertwined due to globalism, helped along by the Jews considering they always oppose nationalism besides Israel.

The first thing to do is implement Autarky, or at least protectionism.

>>4833233

I know this is /pol/ and asking for financial advice is dumb, but I'll offer some advice.

Pay off the debt. I bunkered down and paid mine off (20k) in a little over a year, and the feeling of not owing the Jew anything is amazing. It also opens up lots of possibilities to start prepping or to build future wealth. All the while /pol/ and people have been talking about a collapse.

Also, even if the SHTF full on collapse is coming (I doubt it is) there's no guarantee that debt will be forgiven or you can luck out and not have to pay it. A lot of my friends are Sander's supporters and they are banking on him being elected and killing their student loans (like 100k in money) but the odds of that happening are fucking tiny. They're in for a rude awakening when he either loses the election, or gets elected and 8 years down the line nothing has happened. Don't be like a Sander's supporter.

>>4833504

>>4833731

>>4892780

I have roughly $3k to my name, only $1500 in credit card debt and a larger amount owed on my car. Should I pay these outright or get a fun/ammo and start stockpiling.

>>4815788

I've been wondering since oil is so cheap, if people are using alternative methods of transportation. Idk if the Baltic index is a good measure with oil so low.

>>tfw economist and reading all this made up economics /pol/is shilling

>>4903485

>tfw hoodoo snake oil academic fraud

Fixed.

You and your kike face can vacate now.

>>4818487

Pretty much. Everything is spinning out of control. Sure, you have people at the top that THINK they are in control and will do anything to remain in control, but they are losing it too.

They are trying to stem the tide and postpone the inevitable. Trying to buy time until they can fix it completely.

>>4833857

There will probably be a major war within a few years (early next decade, or even 2020). What better distraction than violent conflict?

>>4835703

The economy is tanking, but with rigged stats and continuous money printing (which is added to GDP growth in the stats), it's less evident.

Yellen raised the interest rate not because the economy is "overheating", but because if the bottom falls out before interests are raised the Fed won't be able to decrease them to "support" the economy.

>>4835758

Shemita theory is bullshit just as it was last year.

>>4888216

>we will see if this trend continues.

I wouldn't bet on it. When the China debt bomb goes off in a month or two and global demand screeches to a halt precious metals are going to hit the floor again. Strong dollar and weak demand for metals.

>>4903555

No, pay the car, burn the credit card companies.

Their credit will be useless in the new system. The era of trust is ending, and will soon be over. The new system will be based off of the concept of "cash on the barrel head", but with gold and perhaps silver rather than central banker funny money.

>>4836090

When the economy is so bad that you HAVE to go fully into debt to feed your family and it grows more and more impossible and/or foolish to bother paying it off.. We will see a return of debtors prisons.

>>4903903

>burn the credit cards

Ive been thinking of going ape shit on my cards and either we see jubilee or I declare bankruptcy if everything continues as is and I run into a snag

>>4815846

That's a lot of words for a heavy sack of bullshit.

The internet was a mistake,

The US is just going to print more money while the rest of the world burns because most are unable to print more money. Economic warfare, enjoy your stay.

>>4904660

>The US is just going to print more money

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weimar_Republic

>good luck with that

>>4816273

PEANUTS

TOILET PAPER

TOOTH PASTE

Holy shit, Nikkei is down 5.4%! Is that Japan?

>>4908482

Yep