/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

All falls apart with open boarders.

The eurocucks are learning this now.

It worked in the Sweden when it was just the native swedes in the system. Now they have the whole 3rd world flooding in.

USA has almost 1/3 of the population out of the work force. What happens when the takers outnumber the providers?

>>4873152

So the specifics and narrow topic at hand are all moot if in some unrealistic future America opens it's borders. Good to know, thanks.

>>4873170

America already has open borders to the south.

Wrong, its an essential system for those who are born significantly less intelligent than the rest of the population ie non whites and non North Asians

>>4873201

Continued, the more intelligent of us will adapt our educational systems to be more advanced from the High School to college level. if we just learn to leave the stupid people behind

>>4873107

Id say those are pretty on point. Somalia would love to help you be free of overreaching government - go.

>>4873152

Falls apart with closed borders too, it's shitty state feudalism.

>>4873170

Europe has open boards and a welfare state. Its fucked now. Welfare state failing there.

USA has weak boarder control and a welfare state thats growing to the point where its not affordable.

If you wanted it to work in the EU you should have never let in the 3rd world flood in.

If you want it to work in the USA you need to stop all immigration. Unskilled useless people do nothing for your economy but drag it down and importing semi-skilled labor when you have tons of skilled natives out of work drives people to welfare programs. People who have the means to work but can't.

The lifeboat only has a limited number of seats before it sinks. You cant have a large portion of your population living on welfare and expect your economy to keep moving.

A safety net is a good idea. But only if you don't exceed its rated capacity.

>>4873214

>le somalia meme

>Islamic Theocratic Dictatorship is free of "overreaching government"

I only see this meme on youtube comments for good reason, I can't believe you trash are now here too, >>>/reddit/

Welfare fails at it's very core.

You want strong people? You have to make things hard. You want weak people, make things easy.

The idea of a safety net makes failing easier. It shouldn't be. It should be fatal. This is how we weed out the weak and make the whole society stronger.

Even if you didnt have niggers leeching welfare would still be a terrible idea.

On the other hand you do want to set people up for success. This is done primarily through education. You need to make sure that everyone has basic still such as reading and math.

The only reason it was effective in European countries is because for most of history they were culturally and ethnically homogenous

Now their ratios are all out of wack and there is a massive surge of foreigners with no ties of loyalty to the country they reside in and thus have nothing left but an "I got mine" mentality

>>4873256

>>4873332

good posts

>>4873170

>unrealistic future America opens it's borders.

Those ~60 million hispanics that weren't here before 1970 just fucking grew out of the soil then?

>>4873256

Welfare as a whole isn't necessarily bad. You just shouldn't allow it to be a long-term option.

> live in hire-and-fire company

> corporate decision from above gets lots of jobs spontaneously cut

> bills and interest keep piling up as you look for your next job

For the short period the above takes place in, welfare is good. It only becomes cancer, when it has loopholes or is otherwise handed out indefinitely. Once it becomes an alternative to work, people stop working.

Here are some restrictions, more of which would be necessary for a welfare system not to become cancerous

> 3 months tops

> has a 'cooldown' of several years

> can only apply if job was lost by no fault of own

Either that or instate consistent job protection with no loopholes (ex: he spent a minute too much on the bathroom) and in exchange cut welfare completely. That way businesses are forced to calculate without even taking into account firing employees before their contracts run out, and employees have enough time to look for a new job in case their employer won't renew their jobs.

>>4873516

Use the money saved from cutting out either most of or all of the welfare state, and subsidize or create entry level dual study courses. The problem with work is that in a complex world like ours, you need a humongous financial investment to get the qualifications apparently needed for the simplest of tasks. The only way in which dual scholarships and study courses currently exist, is from the private sector, which is why they are of course very careful with who they offer those to and how many of them. This could be where the state comes in to help. (INB4 but teh staet shouldn't help)

How did that saying go again? Give a man a fish, and he's fed for a day. Teach a man to fish and he's fed for a lifetime.

>Capitalism

Work hard and get paid well.

>Socialism

No one works hard because the state pays for everything for you while you complain and want more things while doing nothing in return.

How can normies not understand this simple shit?

>>4873545

little explanation in case it's not called dual study in English and the point didn't get across.

Dual study courses in Krautland are study courses where you spend 3 months studying a subject related to a specific kind of job, then work 3 months in a job related to that study course, earn money that way, and use that money to partially or completely pay for your expenses as you spend the next 3 months studying further, then working 3 months rinse and repeat.

Currently irl you need a contract with a private company that in turn has agreements with a college, so it's at very high risk for the private companies which is why they offer it only to people with top grades. If the state invested into expanding on that though, the picture would look different from what it currently is.

>>4873545

>How did that saying go again? Give a man a fish, and he's fed for a day. Teach a man to fish and he's fed for a lifetime.

The man is only fed for a lifetime if there is both fish to catch and space for him to fish with.

There will still be people who refuse to study another course, and even then they may pick a profession which is in a worse state than their original profession.

>>4873574

Well this is the point where a socialist or national socialist state would use it's centralized economic system to coordinate who gets trained to do what.

>globalist jew bankers siphon all of the money out of the economy

>massive economic downturn

>insufficient number of jobs for every person to utilize their full / any potential

>welfare is necessary

If you don't like it, address the first point. Everything will be a hell of a lot easier once we remove the parasite.

>>4873589

This operates on the idea that the public are willing to let their government choose who gets trained to do what. Something that a libtertarian society would disagree with. Not to mention if it involves niggers you'll get lazy assholes who don't even try studying and just act like monkeys half the time they're supposed to be working.

>>4873609

Yes, but the longer the raping goes, the more people will eventually come to grips with that fact that they deny to themselves.

Just remind them that chimps and bonobos exist. If you remove their body hair, which in a lower abundance humans have as well, you will notice that this is an example for niggers. They look a lot like us, they are indeed more intelligent, than say, a mouse, and they walk on two legs. Yet if they think they're more alpha than you and you look them in the eyes, they'll jump at you and pull your eyes out like the wild animal that they are. Niggers are only in so far different to that, that they are genetically very slightly closer, and hence phenotypically slightly closer as well. Doesn't change the fact that they're wild animals though.

Once humans are treated like humans and animals are treated like animals, that worry won't be relevant any more.

>>4873631

>Once humans are treated like humans and animals are treated like animals, that worry won't be relevant any more.

I don't even know what you're referring to in my post.

Nothing in your reply had anything to do with what I said besides the reference to niggers.

>>4873662

Unless you mean that since humans are animals they are not immune from control.

I think it's realistic to say that there will ALWAYS be an underclass. There will ALWAYS be that class of lazy, stupid, careless fuckers. The question is what we do with them. Do we give them money to keep them alive or do we try to change them?

>>4873638

tranny?

>it’s worth remembering that all advanced countries are welfare states, and there are good reasons for that.

Yes, nearly all of the generous welfare states are very oil rich and can actually afford them because they are swimming in money, Norway is the most oil rich country in Europe, as is Saudi Arabia, UAE, and the other welfare states, it has nothing to do with being "advanced", they are just lucky enough to be sitting on metric fucktons of black gold and they can afford to infantilize their citizens with constant handouts, unlike every other country which relies on a working populace to function. Even the oil-welfare states are extremely unstable, reports indicate Saudi Arabia and UAE are going to be insolvent by 2030 because of declining oil prices/revenues at which point it they will be 3rd world shitholes if they fail to adapt.

All welfare of any kind should be shut down completely.

The only 'welfare' the government should provide is bare minimum healthcare which insures minimum emergency care (NOTHING MORE) for life threatening medical emergencies.

If you disagree jump in an oven.

Give the state no excuses.

Welfare is just the excuse they use to take your money, interfere in your life, and keep the lower classes and minorities from fighting back.

>>4873152

nothing they continue printing money and playing globalist stockmarket simulator 2016

if you agree with welfare of any kind you need to go to

>>>/leftypol/

>>4893255

THIS

saged, for bullshit sate-controlled oligarchy shilling.

Essential system?

Why are useless eaters who live off welfare and free hand-outs essential to the system?

Zika can't come fast enough.

>>4873609

>>4873609

American school system

>>4879064

Norway doesn't touch the oil fund for internal shit. They use it for the Nobel prize, foreign aid, and as an insurance scheme. It has been said rhat if they stop taxing their people and start spending the oil fund they could keep up the same level of services for half a century.

>>4893339

>Why are useless eaters who live off welfare and free hand-outs essential to the system?

you don't understand economy of scale or consumerism and how these two concepts go together