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YOU COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS

File: 1454849050255.jpg (263.1 KB, 718x721, 718:721, beaver.jpg)

c894eb No.4874716

Language is not merely a tool of communication, it is a tool of thought.

What I'm about to explain could fill a book, and if it interests you I highly recommend reading up on linguistic relativity. My aim however will be to keep this short and easy to understand, as I wish to reach as many people as possible.

Did you know that there are African tribes which can't tell their left from their right? They don't have words for these concepts either. Did you know we did not have a word for the color "blue" for centuries? Or "orange"? They were named in relation to other colors. Orange was red-yellow. Once the fruit was discovered, its color was named after it. If a concept is not named, it is not possible to think about it, at least not properly. Likewise, the philosophies of different cultures are most affected by the language of their people. Nietzsche noted it, and he was not alone.

What is important to understand is that you cannot truly understand a concept unless you can name it, and this affects how you think.

de52b8 No.4874724

Go on…


72f38f No.4874726

Thanks for the introduction to semiotics.


c75ab7 No.4874727

sick dude


c894eb No.4874750

File: 1454849427862.jpg (810.67 KB, 1024x984, 128:123, beaver stone.jpg)

You will notice in recent times attempts to legitimize certain dialects which are simplified versions of a certain language. Such efforts are an abomination and must be stopped at all costs. By limiting the vocabulary of people, whether it be simply their ability to name things or subtler things such as the separation of the subject in persons (first, second and third) or verb tenses, what becomes limited is people's ability to think. Though such dialects can be an interesting field of study, they should never be promoted as being legitimate, or being equal to fully developed languages.

In fact, we often speak of the evolution of language. This is a misnomer: Evolution does not go in one direction. It is merely an adaptation. What we should seek for language is not evolution, but advancement. We want our languages to grow, to have more words, to have better ways to express our thoughts in more coherent manners. The appearance of bastardized dialects goes against this. If linguists desire to help the advancement of language, instead of singing the praise of the malformed sentences of a few brutes because of their distinction from proper language, they should be identifying concepts which lack names, developing new verb tenses and promoting the preservation of the integrity of their language.


52a606 No.4874758

Spoiler alert: Leftists think that language holds magical power of people and reality and thus has to align with ideology to 100%.


9f7d21 No.4874787

gib more, op


c894eb No.4874825

File: 1454850266170.jpg (54.99 KB, 530x300, 53:30, az_beaver.jpg)

Likewise, language can be used to manipulate people. Orwell touched on that a lot in 1984, and he is far from the only person who has. I mention him however because of a concept he described in his book known as "crimestop". Simply put, crimestop is the ability which people have of stopping "bad thoughts" before they can form. Even out of context, this sounds like a terrible thing, yet most people are unaware that they themselves engage in crimestop without realizing it.

This is a concept which I call "thought stopping language", which is a subset of thought stopping techniques. Thought stopping techniques are used by politicians, leaders and very much everyone in a position of power to prevent people from thinking about what they're told, and thus prevent them from disagreeing with them. The most common ones are chanting and ridiculing. Chanting is, as the name says, getting people to chant a mantra or a slogan loudly. If you wonder why this is a thought stopping technique, try and do even basic math while singing the chorus of "Tubthumping" by Chumbawamba at the top of your lungs over and over. As for ridiculing, human beings are normally afraid of ridicule, especially public ridicule. By attaching ridicule to an idea or concept, people will automatically be repelled by it.

Thought stopping words are even more devious. They are the result of ridiculing, but to the point where no active ridiculing is necessary for people to want to avoid thinking about those concepts. Derision and stigma are attached to those words and thus saying them will cause your audience to stop listening to you, regardless of what you were saying, of whether what you were saying was true, or of context. In this way, tyrannical create protected classes, protected concepts, protected thoughts. The government would never work against you, because that's a conspiracy, and conspiracy theorists are crazy! Black people in the United States do not have a higher crime rate than white people, because that implies a difference based on race, and that's racism, and racism is bad. Democracy is perfect, because questioning it is anti-democratic, and anti-democracy means tyranny. So on and so on.


7ffb8d No.4874832

>>4874716

youa re the guy of the castors.

I saw a screen cap of one of your posts, related to power. Top tier.

Can you suggest one book to read about this topic?


08bcde No.4874839

tfw when you realise television and print has destroyed your appreciation of rare colours, those that would otherwise be found in other climates but not yours.


c9001b No.4874862

>>4874750

>attempts to legitimize certain dialects which are simplified versions of a certain language

Could you provide any examples?

This is where we disagree, OP. Standardization of language, while a controversial topic, is something that could be argued as a net positive thing. Keep in mind that without it, ebonics would be as valid gramatically as Received Pronounciation. Standardization also helps with unifying a people. Take for example France: their strict rules for teaching the language might not sit well with some people, but a person from Algeria and a Parisian speak the exact same dialect, which makes communication easier.


de52b8 No.4874864

>>4874716

>>4874750

>>4874825

Thank you for these enlightening words, Beaveranon.


c894eb No.4874879

File: 1454850999513.jpg (415.1 KB, 2400x1594, 1200:797, beaver 2.jpg)

So, what conclusions may we draw from this?

First of all, when addressing people, especially about certain contentious topics, it is important to use the right language. I am not implying that they should be lied to or that the truth should be hidden. However, if you use a thought stopping word, you will turn them against you, regardless of the merit of your ideas. Thus, you must identify thought stopping words and figure out how to explain your ideas without using them.

Second of all, we must create words to define concepts which are missing from our language. One example of a word I created is "libition". Ambition is currently defined as the desire to achieve something. However, I decided to split that concept in two: "Ambition", which comes from the latin "ambire" which means "going around" or "encircling", would mean the desire to achieve something productive, to create, to learn, to grow. Opposingly, "libition", which comes from "liberum" which means "free", would be the desire to achieve something destructive, usually at the expense of another. Already, with the appearance of this word, we can better separate businessmen in two categories: the ambitious, who wish to create things and to produce, and the libitious, who want to take what others produce and claim it as their own, who want hand outs.

Merely doing both of these will help us greatly when it comes to fighting back against those who wish to diminish the human spirit so as to better bind it. Learning how thought stopping language works will allow us to go around it to reach the people ensnared by their lies, while the creation of new words will arm us in the war of ideas.


c894eb No.4874885

>>4874832

Believe it or not, Atlas Shrugged. It's a long read, but it touches on power in that way. Rand understood the source of power was ideas better than anyone else, and that rational ideas are the most powerful by far.

>>4874862

I'm not talking about standardization here, but about attempts to legitimize things such as ebonics.


08bcde No.4874892

Beaver is a crypto-SJW-par excellence, Liberal and a democrat. Do not read Beaver threads.

The only way to stop his lies is to drown him out with our slogan:

Trump! Trump! Trump! Trump! Trump!


7ffb8d No.4874896

is there a easy online way to screencap the relevant posts of a thread? I know sombody know


c894eb No.4874900

File: 1454851299888.jpg (26.62 KB, 236x187, 236:187, laughing.jpg)


f6449f No.4874903

>>4874896

snip tool and MS paint


7ffb8d No.4874921

fuck the shills have arrived, fortunately they are not very smart in their shilling

>dont read that crazy semiotics stuff you goys, that is sjw leftist stuff


a13ac8 No.4874924

>>4874716

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c894eb No.4874937

>>4874921

I'm fairly certain 08bcde was being facetious, but yeah, part of why I wrote this is to not only help people be wary of it when it's being used on them, but also to be wary of it when trying to redpill people.


fa5416 No.4874963

>>4874716

You surpassed your average this time, pretty good.


8be08e No.4874967

Language isn't just a tool of thought but a tool of persuasion.

Words are empty containers that people add ideas or objects to them.

There's also a difference between the word "orange" and "democracy".

While the first denotes a color the other denotes a system of governance. There isn't much debate on what constitutes the color orange, but democracy creates a lot of debate.

This is because man created concepts can't be defined. It seems people pick and choose which ideas to follow and which to ignoreor distort.

Another word "racism"

Everything was fine when it tackled discrimination against blacks but when whites want to use it, suddenly it doesn't apply to them because reasons.

Aristotel, Platon and especially Socrates understood the fact language couldn't totaly express thought.

Aristotel attempted to tie ideas to words objectively but he kinda failed.

The problems we have today is because subvertive elements pushed for other interpretation of concepts like freedom, equality and sofort.

Because they won this shift in ideas they use all their power, all their might to stop others from challenging their ideas.


9f120b No.4874975

>>4874924

Fuck off kike.


92e358 No.4874994

>>4874924

>beaverfag talks about the use of repetitive chants and slogans and buzzwords to silence thought

>you spam the thread with reptetitive buzzwords

Good stuff kiddo.


fef418 No.4874996

File: 1454852318067.png (424.41 KB, 1797x902, 1797:902, beaver on language.PNG)

i took a screencap

hopefully someone else will make another screen cap thats more zoomed in without the hidden posts


e48d57 No.4875001

What would a language highly conducive to higher thought look like?


37ac00 No.4875008

why beavers?


c894eb No.4875014

>>4874967

>Words are empty containers that people add ideas or objects to them.

Do you think people had a name for water before they knew what water was? Do you think they had a word for left or right before they knew there is a difference between the two sides? Words are not "empty containers", they are consciously created in order to name concepts. True, the meaning of a word can change over time, especially if the original meaning was vague or too specific.

If what you're saying is that a word's meaning is merely the one which an individual attaches to it, you're somewhat right. Certain words have very objective meaning. Up is up, down is down. As you pointed out, other words are less well defined, such as "democracy", which holds many different definitions which all change according to who's speaking.

>Aristotel, Platon and especially Socrates understood the fact language couldn't totaly express thought.

No, it can't, which is why we continually create words to do it better. "You can never be free from hunger" does not mean you should give up on producing food and sating your hunger.

Either way, my point has more to do in how language, as you say, has been subverted, and to learn to either retake it or disarm it.

>>4875001

Speaking both english and french, I can't say one is superior to the other. Both have elements I like a lot. However, the way I hear it, german is a very specific yet plastic language, which is why I'd like to learn it eventually.

>>4875008

My national animal, and they're industrious animals, and they're cute.


37ac00 No.4875030

>>4875014

>My national animal, and they're industrious animals, and they're cute.

well alright then


08bcde No.4875032

>>4874937

And this is the type of guy that likes Beaver threads, the beaverfag, who is dumb as a rock. Do people get anymore ridiculous than this? beaverfags are only a step apart from bronies, intellect-wise.

Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump!


52a606 No.4875038

>>4875032

Anon… Why are you shitposting?


33c077 No.4875039

>>4874924

Hate to break it to you but you're actually proving his point


ec6ace No.4875058

>>4874750

very interesting topic, but like evolution you can not have a control over it, the language evolve with the people that follow it when is necessary a new concept a word appear naturaly the hive mind shape it until the word fits in the right concept, this is way when blacs use a language from other race it slowly become some kind of deformed dialety because they mental power can not reach much concepts, so the language become simplified


fbe5f4 No.4875061

>>4874716

>>4874716

Posting in intredasting bread

What you describe is called the 'Sapir-Whorf hypothesis'. It makes a lot of sense when anthropologists study tribes that have no concept of time, or ones with no number systems - without words for those ideas, the cobcepts are foreign.


ec6ace No.4875069

>>4875058

"this is why when blacks"


c894eb No.4875094

>>4875058

Reminds me of an article someone wrote about his experience in Africa, namely realizing that a lot of the issues he saw stemmed from how the Zulu language is extremely simplified. As an example, he wondered why very few Africans where he was kept their promises and then found out that there is no word in zulu for "promise". The words they use for it is actually a portmanteau which roughly translate to "as if to bind one's feet". The concept is foreign to them, so promising something is meaningless to them.

>>4875061

It is, and I highly recommend reading up on it if you have time.


e1a476 No.4875095

good post. what are your thoughts on the idea that Art is used to communicate ideas language is unable to adequately express?


c894eb No.4875114

File: 1454853637993.jpg (146.87 KB, 1056x792, 4:3, action painting.jpg)

>>4875095

It certainly can achieve it. As an example, "Action Painting" illustrates how painting is left in the dust compared to photography when it comes to depicting events.

However, it shouldn't be considered as merely being for that purpose. But it can certainly be used that way.


c6ff29 No.4875119

>ITT: people who know only one language or stick to one lingual family

Different languages specialize in different things. English is disgusting when it comes to grammars and precision in small talk. It's absolute garbage when biology and other natural sciences are discussed. And yet it beats my own language with the vast palette of abstract notions, especially those related to psychology, philosophy and states of mind in general. It also has far more terms to describe all things artistic than languages in Slavic subcontinent and Balkans

You need to realize that the moment you begin to learn about other languages (not necessarily to speak them), the more you see how its native speakers form their thought process. Sub-Saharan Africans are beyond retarded, even gorillas taught sign language are capable of accurately using more complex notions that relate to simple morality, which niggers cannot simply comprehend, at all

>>4875094

https://whitelocust.wordpress.com/morality-and-abstract-thinking-how-africans-may-differ-from-westerners/

The moment you learn foreign vocabulary that has no substitute in your own language, the wider your abstract thinking will be. The more you know, the harder it is to identify and communicate with your native group, especially in times when even your native language is being butchered left and right - filled with newspeak, broken grammars that hurt brains of any self-aware person, and foreign terms that happen to actually have a very good counterpart

>>4875058

The language is being manipulated by communication media which happen to be owned by jews. New concepts don't appear naturally anymore, they're implanted in goy minds in tremendous quantities. Naturally most retarded goyim begin to speak like those cool people in the telly. Many potent words fall out of fashion, and on TV those who still use them are being ridiculed. Even pronunciation changes, I remember that a few years ago all women, no matter the age, suddenly started to lisp and butcher several phonems exclusive to my language (to make it easier for foreigners?). We're all being gradually dumbed down into niggerspeak and prepared for muddying up of entire white race


9df9ae No.4875136

>>4874716

Good old beaver, have you read Wittgenstein, Husserl?

They talk about this kind of thing at length - Wittgenstein from an a priori and later a pedagogical perspective, while Husserl talks about the nitty-gritty details


9df9ae No.4875154

>>4875119

English is shit to be honest even for the purposes you stated. You have not seen abstraction unless you have seen Germans at a seminar arguing about philosophy - they usually go through 2 pages in a day.

And art, well I like french words, my language most often defaults to french words for the fancy music, art stuff.


55252c No.4875161

>>4875154

German is terrible as is French. You sound like a fag.

latin > all


c894eb No.4875188

>>4875119

Thanks for the link, that's the story I was thinking about. I'm usually wary about believing anonymous stories on the internet, but this one in particular strikes me as close to what the truth must be. And everything you said is right.

>>4875136

I haven't, I don't even know who they are.

>>4875154

English's strength is its ability to convey complex ideas while remaining very simple. In "Speak White", it's called a great language for a foreman, for business, to set the time of death on the job.


8be08e No.4875205

>>4875014

I use the idea of empty container to express the idea that words describe ideas and objects but not the thing itself. Hence the "empty" property.

When I say water you don't think of the word you think of the liquid.

But if I want to explain to a child, that alcohol is a liquid and he doesn't understand what liquid means I could use this sentence

"Alcohol is watery"

Does this mean alcohol is water? No but i used water to explain to a child some properties of alcohol. But my sentence is more false than true.

As you said new "meta" words were created to clasify the objects of this world. And words work to express objects because they belong to objective reality.

But words that describe man made concepts can't express them so well. In fact this man made concepts get to have binary meanings. Retard, a french word, is still used by french to describe slow but english users only describe…well retards. And retard wasn't even a bad word once.


613cd4 No.4875207

attentionwhores like OP need to kill themselves.


710ee1 No.4875214

Can confirm that language is what makes men of different nationalities think differently.

A vietnamese man doesn't think like an america or english does, until he's reasonably good at English, and even then, if he's still fluent in vietnamese, he would still think like a vietnamese.

This explains why expat, westernized asian thinks so differently than native asian.


7ffb8d No.4875222

>>4875032

Come on moshe, this is not normiebook, we can think for ourselves, stop making those pathetic attempts, being so obvious only make us stronger dumbtard. Your level is Too low, You are like a small kid for us. Come back later when You grow up and try again.


0c95b4 No.4875232

>>4874716

I see you have yet to hit step 2 of the "counterintuitive humanistic revelations" progress.

Step 1 is spirit filled surprise. Step 2 is realizing how dumbfucked the revelation is, so you can calmly go back to common sense.

Example: "rabies" comes from the latin word for "rage". Because they totally mistook the disease for the emotion!! No, even better: because they thought the emotion was about getting infected by the disease!!!

And the moral of the story is, getting fascinated with semiotic trivia is for duds.


08bcde No.4875242

>>4874750

>we want more words, more ways to express

Language can get ugly as it grows. Is it better to say 'differentiate' instead of 'tell the difference'? Are feminism, materialism, capitalism and so on useful words, or are they cages of semantics where understanding them is risking being locked into believing in them?

I think simplicity of language may be desirable over the opposite; the playful use of simple language better than endless refinement of it into more and more academic forms.


710ee1 No.4875252

>>4875242

If you don't understand shit, you can't fight against it.


c6ff29 No.4875263

>>4875154

There is a difference between functional language and graphomania. I have noticed, long ago, that no matter the language, academia run by jews fancies itself inaccessible to the masses solely through artificial academic language. They take simple notions that could be explained in very simple and approachable terms, and then wrap them in long-winded verbal abomination that can only be understood by the few chosen goyim. Need I remind you that academia is run by the jews since at least late 19th century?

Language cannot be overly simplified, not when it would equal a reduction in precision. But going into another extreme and complicating things for no reason is just as bad, it's literally creating a paywall protecting common knowledge that should be widely accessible. It's like someone doesn't want common folk to be educated

Why do you think the plebs have very poor idea about underlying concepts of faith, morality and essence of humanity? Technically these words are known to everyone, but it's just that, words. It's the academic theologians and philosophers who create this false impression that you can not know anything about it if you haven't wasted 4-5 years of your life memorizing mostly meaningless information. Christian churches also do exceptionally poor work, by forcing people to memorize idiotic chants without explaining their meaning in simple words. Average pleb could be a better person if only there were some authorities willing to actually discuss these things on entry level, instead of preaching in monologous fashion


8be08e No.4875308

>>4875263

Agreed 100%.

I remember going to a doctoral thesis presentation. The phd student gave a speech. Thou for me was a bit to hard to comprehend, a proffesor criticized him for not being so "sciencespeak".

That's why they want to shut us down. Because we debate the merits of their concepts without mattering who we are or did


7ffb8d No.4875344

>>4874937

Dude i was responding to this

>>4874758

Your stuff is Top tier quality, i mean It, just look at the shills trying to fuck Your thread.

Your power level is Too high, i apreciate You come here to share with us. Dont stop coming. Respect


8c614c No.4875359

File: 1454855926769.png (752.67 KB, 1274x1184, 637:592, Beaver On Language.png)

>>4874996

Here's a step by step

>Open your browser

>Find something you want to cap

>Oh no! It's too large for one cap! I'll have to zoom out and take it all and hope for the best!

>Oh wait, I know!

Saving Image Method

>Take the cap with snipping tool or whatever

>Save it, name it, put it in a folder for easy access

>Repeat until you have all the parts you want.

>Open paint

>Open one of the images

>Select "Paste from." It should be underneath the clipboard icon.

>Paste the next part, line it up well.

>Repeat until done.

Copy Image Method (My recommendation)

>Take the cap

>Rather than save, select "Copy Image"

>Open Paint

>Hit the paste button

>Repeat that process for each cap

>Once done, save and name your file.

The second method is streamlined as you don't end up with four to five images just floating around. The first method is easier as you're saving each cap, so you can make mistakes and not have to start all over.


8c614c No.4875372

File: 1454856038036-0.png (474.2 KB, 915x1161, 305:387, Beaver on Violence.png)

File: 1454856038039-1.png (966.39 KB, 1448x1122, 724:561, Beaver on Power.png)

File: 1454856038039-2.png (736.72 KB, 1866x1304, 933:652, Beaver on Echo Chambers.png)

>>4875032

>Beaverthreads

>Not based as all fuck

Nice try.


7ffb8d No.4875387

>>4875032

This level of stupidity can only come from a female. Repeating trump at the end is the most pathetic part, i cant picture a male writing that.

Hey shill If You read this, yes, we can know that by the way You write.


9d07d3 No.4875402

Thank you Based Beaver


7ffb8d No.4875425

>>4874937

Also to this

>>4874892


c894eb No.4875435

>>4875263

>They take simple notions that could be explained in very simple and approachable terms, and then wrap them in long-winded verbal abomination that can only be understood by the few chosen goyim.

I just want to state that this is why I pride myself in making sure that what I say is accessible. An idea which cannot be grasped by the general public is like a bottle of water which cannot be opened.


08bcde No.4875436

>>4875222

Is that true or can people intuitively understand some concepts without much language, and that overmuch verbal detail confounds the understanding and creates confusion?

Can I not express disatisfaction without resorting to the discourse of social science, which expresses it for me?


a7152e No.4875450

>>4875263

Post of the year.

At some point in the early '90s there was a push for a 'more economic use of language', at least in the US military.

This sensible proposal somehow died a silent death.


6b1dc1 No.4875458

File: 1454856782817.jpg (342 KB, 1920x1080, 16:9, TerencePurple.jpg)

>>4875263

>Language cannot be overly simplified, not when it would equal a reduction in precision. But going into another extreme and complicating things for no reason is just as bad

Good thread, I was just talking about this with my friend. I have a large vocabulary, I've always been a great reader and whenever I see or hear a word I don't know I get excited. It doesn't happen too often, and when it does I just have to look it up. I notice that sometime when I'm typing I'll enter a word that the spell check doesn't recognize, so I'll usually look it up to make sure I'm not misspelling it. And many times I'll see the word classified as 'archaic', even when it's a word I use fairly regularly (although I can't think of an example off the top of my head). Which makes me wonder about the shrinking of language and the associated effects on cognition. Certainly it's due to pop culture, and I assume it's a nefarious plot to dumb down humanity–although I might be wrong.

What I hate even more than that is the shitting upon of meaning itself by by associating words to incorrect concepts. I remember when McDonald's came up with the slogan "I'm lovin' it". I was legitimately enraged at the disrespect shown to the word (and therefore concept of) "love". I was actually in love at the time, and it was a feeling more glorious than anything else I've ever known! The idea that my "love" was somehow equatable to "barely enjoying a cheap sandwich" pissed me off, and still does. It's really no wonder that people have devolved into the "hookup culture" that we have today, to them the idea of love is equivalent to a $1 processed shitburger. Sometimes I wonder if that statement isn't absolutely accurate, hyperbolic as it seems on the surface.

Here's an interesting hosted article on deoxy–a transcript of McKenna discussing visible language. No archive, if you're afraid to click into deoxy you probably shouldn't read it anyway. http://deoxy.org/t_langvr.htm


0295fb No.4875515

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>>4875263

>Average pleb could be a better person if only there were some authorities willing to actually discuss these things on entry level, instead of preaching in monologous fashion

They don't want the Plebs to debate them, as their lies would quickly unravel. The job of authority figures is to act superior, and tell people what to think. They are not your friends.

Pretty much everything is a cult these days, with dogma and belief triumphing logic and honesty.

It's all acting, and lies.


ecf841 No.4875548

Bad writing, not even college freshman level


7ffb8d No.4875552

>>4875436

Moshe You have been already expossed. Stop acting, look at Your post history. (Hoh! You didnt knew there were a post history) newfag


c894eb No.4875565

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c6ff29 No.4875643

>>4875458

Interesting article, explains why my expression is lacking in comparison to what is going on in the mind. I'm schizophrenic, which is very similar to being on psychedelics 24/7, in that schizophrenics lack certain mental inhibitors that can be temporarily lifted in minds of healthy people precisely with said drugs. Some of you might ask about medication. No, it does not alter cognition, it's just sedatives that are supposed to make schizophrenics docile by rendering them exhausted and powerless

As for replacement of meaning of the words… Yes, it's horrible and frustrates everyone seeking to express higher feelings and ideas. Education now means formal education, which in practice is just a piece of paper you earn by paying with your time and money. Knowledge is obviously only knowledge sanctioned by academia. Intelligence is merely the IQ score, which I think most of us know is just one of many factors composing of intelligence. Smart is attributed to shit like smartphones or cheating, while it used to mean efficient thinking and reaching solutions through fastest channels. It's a large scale attack against everything that puts us above subhumans. If I were to name in more constrict fashion, it's a war against metacognition


ec6ace No.4875664

>>4875119

the media is really powerfull in that sense but it still not controlling the whole process of new words for new concepts, only the following scenario it could be achieved: a group have total control over a stupid other group. Maybe the mudded race of the future would fit in the second group and the jews in the first


39089d No.4875699

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>>4874967

>Another word "racism"

>Everything was fine when it tackled discrimination against blacks but when whites want to use it, suddenly it doesn't apply to them because reasons.

Racism is also a hate word the anti-whites use to shut you up, or stifle you in discussions on whether you are racist or not.

In order to counter the racism charge of the cucks, the cuck meme was created as a hateword, so it became our turn to force the sheeple to think twice, before cuckish things are uttered.


c894eb No.4875732

>>4875643

>it's just sedatives that are supposed to make schizophrenics docile by rendering them exhausted and powerless

More or less. They have a sedative effect, but that's a side effect. In a lot of ways, schizophrenia is the opposite of depression. Where in depression your brain can't reabsorb neuroinhibitors causing reduced cerebral activity, in schizophrenia it's neurotransmitters, namely serotonin, which are too high, causing increased activity. This increased activity translates itself into delusions and hallucinations.

The medication's aim is to reduce your cerebral activity so as to stop those symptoms, but well, it's reduced cerebral activity, so take a guess as to what it does other than that, never mind all the shitty side effects like constipation or extra-pyramidal effects.

What I mean is that it's not that your doctor wants to keep you sedated, it's that psychiatry is a relatively recent addition in medicine, we know very little about the extremely complex fields of neurochemistry and neurophysiology, and this bullshit is the best we can do for now.

If you're willing, I recommend electroconvulsive therapy. Having witnessed its effects on patients, I can assure you it's very effective.


8be08e No.4875734

>>4875699

so we weaponized a word to counter another weaponized word.

Cuck and racism are used in the same way.

To push the other, who by no means wants to be characterized by any of this words, to act in a certain way.

Is this good or bad?


c894eb No.4875745

>>4875734

I'm not sure about the morality of weaponizing words. I mean the way it's done by current world leaders is disgusting, but I never really thought about whether it can be used in a good way.


08bcde No.4875750

>>4875436 meant for >>4875252

>>4875552

If I was a shill I'd pretend to be an excitable teenager and exaggerate the appreciation of the Beav to the point of imitating 'Fuck Yeah <Thing>' types, filling the topic with saccharine praise, causing it to become a target for edgy hater shitposting.

Then I'd get my proxy on and pretend to dislike the Beaver in a normal manner, then switch and engage with him in an intellectual manner. I'd get on a different proxy and call myself a shill. I'd fill the topic with discourse and you'd never know what my intent was, because my intent would be to confuse and irritate you by flagging to your perception that a manipulation is going on. That's shilling.


710ee1 No.4875786

>>4875750

It depends on how much you explain your understanding.

If people understand what the fuck you understand, it's probably good to go.


c6ff29 No.4875834

>>4875745

It's destructiveness vs. productiveness. Weaponized words are destructive, they silence most people, strip those who find courage to keep talking from all meaning. In perception of recipients that is. Weaponized words are a perfect tool in fighting the opposition, but they're useless in building a strong base for your own people. You need to be productive and inspiring, concepts must flourish in people's minds and grow naturally, with their full comprehension (as opposed to mere memorization). The problem is that those higher up take very good care to kill all of our creative attempts and make the masses allergic to positive language since very early childhood

>>4875732

If psychiatry is still in stone age in the western world, what can I say about the eastern bloc, else than state the simple fact - we're still stuck in Stalin-era chemical suppression. Thanks for advice, but it simply doesn't exist in my country's reality. Many healthy people with only temporary problems are never diagnosed, never listened to (I think you can see why psychological vocabulary is so poor among the Slavs), and instead just drugged out of their minds with the same stock drug as everyone else. There were several threads on psychiatry and labeling being used by the jews as a tool of thought suppression. I think westerners should sometimes reflect on it and question the motives and moral high ground of academia. Scientists are not morally flawless angels, they are just as prone to corruption as every other person and they also live in a world where money and status are everything


08bcde No.4876021

>>4874937

Is it possible to redpill people who've fallen into a trap of language like you describe; with some cracking up at the word nigger and others feeling their head wobble violently? Such traps seem to put people into entirely different worlds, and only by way of revelation will they escape their modes of thought.

>>4875786

A marxist, a feminist, christian, alien conspiracy theorist and a national socialist can talk to each other about their case until their mouth runs bone dry. The natsocs have the benefit of clarity in speech yet are less prevalent than the first two. No amount of words can bridge that gulf between people who insist in the reality of their spooks of language and mental perception, unless it is strangely compelling. The further people dig into their identity the bigger the gulf. By shattering the understanding and the value of words, their prisoners will be set loose.


710ee1 No.4876045

>>4876021

Why do the natsocs have the benefit of clarity in speech?


25f1c2 No.4876087

>>4875643

That guy was in hopeless romantic la-la land and doesn't sound like he's coming back. I wouldn't take his explanation on anything.

Words don't actually replace the thing, they become an association that reconstructs the thing mentally. What I gather you guys are bemoaning is the inability to invoke the correct cognition through words. This can be annoying. Especially if your logic circuits are fried.

To put a cognition into words requires interpretation to the language. It's like doing math, but less of a conscious process. The idea is broken down into parts, nouns, adjectives, verbs, etc. Then transmitted via speech where it is reconstructed in the target mind. If there is an error somewhere in the process (no word (probably not since we're only talking 2D projections), your words are gibberish, broken verb chain (logic), or some listener fault), then you're having a bad time.

The meta is get this thought to that head, but that faggot with the fantastical gibberish drives me up the wall as though his mundane existence would ever call for holographic projections directed by Kubrick. I've spent years stuck in these fantasies, surrounded by retards that encouraged it, pondering the dumbest shit imaginable when the real is all that matters. It's better to have loved and lost something real than to have been a cuck fantasizing about it instead.


39089d No.4876111

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>>4875734

>Is this good or bad?

I don't think Kristen Howerton thinks it's good, as she had no say in becoming OC meant to teach polacks that cuckoldry was naturally disgusting to men, and thus the perfect charge against the believers of the social constructivist dogma.

The cucks have the same biology as we do, but where we can say that cuckoldry is disgusting in all forms, they need to pretend to be ok with some form of cuckoldry, as long as it is "voluntary".


39089d No.4876224

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>>4875745

>I mean the way it's done by current world leaders is disgusting, but I never really thought about whether it can be used in a good way.

The first rule for an obedient cuckademic, is to be the neuteral observer that don't interfere, not even to save himself, his daughter or his people.


5131af No.4876227

Based Beaver threads are always based.


63434a No.4876277

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>>4874716

oh god not the beavers again

APPLIERS OF MEMETRICS LLC CUM SAV US!


9df9ae No.4876296

>>4875161

Two things:

German poetry and German philosophy

fuck off kife, how many languages do you even speak? American?

Also great sage, you must be new here

>>4875263

Yes, verbal diarrhea is quite horrible, and many "postmodernists" write absolute gibberish, so much so, that a physicist wrote an algorithm parodying their way of writing, and actually got it published in one of their journals:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_affair

http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who's_Afraid_of_Peer_Review%3F

>>4875188

Agreed, discussing them is a whole different manner. Apart from English, the three languages I know all use cases, which simply put make discussing objects and their relations a whole lot easier.


6768b7 No.4877894

>>4874716

>Did you know that there are African tribes which can't tell their left from their right?

>If a concept is not named, it is not possible to think about it, at least not properly

This rings very true.

About tribes. There is one that has a very peculiar way of counting. It goes like this: one, two, many. They don't distinguish further than two. You have one kids? Cool. You have two? Cool. But you don't have three kids, you have many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asM39tfblMQ (Walpiri counting)

An article about another tribe from brazil who don't get the concept of numbers at all.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/brazil-s-piraha-tribe-living-without-numbers-or-time-a-414291.html ( Brazil's Pirahã Tribe: Living without Numbers or Time)

[…]human language is unique. If for no other reason than for the fact that it enables humans to piece together never before constructed thoughts with ceaseless creativity – think of Shakespeare and his plays or Einstein and his theory of relativity.'

Linguistics generally focuses on what idioms across the world have in common. But the Pirahã language – and this is what makes it so significant – departs from what were long thought to be essential features of all languages.

The language is incredibly spare. The Pirahã use only three pronouns. They hardly use any words associated with time and past tense verb conjugations don't exist. Apparently colors aren't very important to the Pirahãs, either – they don't describe any of them in their language. But of all the curiosities, the one that bugs linguists the most is that Pirahã is likely the only language in the world that doesn't use subordinate clauses. Instead of saying, "When I have finished eating, I would like to speak with you," the Pirahãs say, "I finish eating, I speak with you."

>>4874750

>If linguists desire to help the advancement of language, instead of singing the praise of the malformed sentences of a few brutes because of their distinction from proper language, they should be identifying concepts which lack names, developing new verb tenses and promoting the preservation of the integrity of their language.

Very interesting idea! But are concepts not generally named by experts in the area of the study where said concept originates? How would linguits get involved in something like this?

>>4874825

>Thought stopping words are even more devious. They are the result of ridiculing, but to the point where no active ridiculing is necessary for people to want to avoid thinking about those concepts. Derision and stigma are attached to those words and thus saying them will cause your audience to stop listening to you, regardless of what you were saying, of whether what you were saying was true, or of context. In this way, tyrannical create protected classes, protected concepts, protected thoughts. The government would never work against you, because that's a conspiracy, and conspiracy theorists are crazy! Black people in the United States do not have a higher crime rate than white people, because that implies a difference based on race, and that's racism, and racism is bad. Democracy is perfect, because questioning it is anti-democratic, and anti-democracy means tyranny. So on and so on.

Spot on. It's like people got implanted a self-defence system without them knowing. A system which fights off any "attacking" against their world view. Could this be summed up by the concept of cognitive dissonance?

>>4874879

>First of all, when addressing people, especially about certain contentious topics, it is important to use the right language. I am not implying that they should be lied to or that the truth should be hidden. However, if you use a thought stopping word, you will turn them against you, regardless of the merit of your ideas. Thus, you must identify thought stopping words and figure out how to explain your ideas without using them.

>Learning how thought stopping language works will allow us to go around it to reach the people ensnared by their lies, while the creation of new words will arm us in the war of ideas.

How? Any reasearch on these topics? Books/writings you recommend? Ok. Atlas Shrugged. Anythign else?

>>4874967 takes an interesting view; words being empty containers that people add ideas or objects to them.

Taking the word autumn for example. It's a concept that encompasses so many aspects (colours, temperature, feeling, hours of sunshine, the kind of clothes people wear, etc). I think that it's not enough having a word for things. People have to be told what the concept behind it is, otherwise it is kind of meaningless. (if you want to push a word)


6768b7 No.4878092

>>4875263

>There is a difference between functional language and graphomania. I have noticed, long ago, that no matter the language, academia run by jews fancies itself inaccessible to the masses solely through artificial academic language. They take simple notions that could be explained in very simple and approachable terms, and then wrap them in long-winded verbal abomination that can only be understood by the few chosen goyim. Need I remind you that academia is run by the jews since at least late 19th century?

This is the most infuriating thing. I am assuming that you by "academic language" you mean nothing more than "fancy words". Can we boil down their usage of fancy words to just being able to convey their ideas faster? I mean, using academic language enables to summarize certain ideas/concepts to just one word.

If not, then why do it?


39089d No.4878162

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>>4877894

>First of all, when addressing people, especially about certain contentious topics, it is important to use the right language.

The really, really important all the experts avoid, is addressing real topics in the real world, as that might show that the stuff they had thought were important, were irrelevant.

The important part is that anons start to address the silenced subjects now, so others dare talk about it, and think they can do better, not more information.

The Exasperated General

General picks up the phone.

AMPW: “Sir, the enemy is firing artillery at us!”

General: “Well, fire back.”

AMPW: “Sir, we think they are using a new alloy in the shell casings.”

General: “Fine, whatever, are you firing back yet?”

AMPW: “Sir, now they’re shooting bullets at us! From rifles!”

General: “Well, shoot back!”

AMPW: “Sir, we’re trying to find out if it’s blacks, browns, Muslims, Jews, or white traitors firing at us.”

General: “What difference does it make? Shoot back!”

AMPW: “Sir, I’m trying to figure out why they are shooting at us. It is very important to know WHY they are shooting at us.”

General: “For heaven’s sake, who cares? Shoot back. Defend yourselves.”

AMPW: “Sir, I’m writing a 3,000 word essay proving that everyone manning the enemy artillery pieces is a Jew. Once every white person has read this essay, the shells will magically stop exploding.”

General: (Shakes head) “Anything else?”

AMPW: “Sir, these are real bad people shooting at us after we’ve been so nice to them.”

General: “I agree, so why don’t you stop complaining and shoot back?”

AMPW: “Sir, they’ve taken Hill 209! They’re so mean.”

General: “Well, what do you expect? Take it back!”

AMPW: “Sir, the enemy has all the high ground. It’s so unfair!”

General: “Well, you gave it to them. Take it back.”

AMPW: “Sir, we invented artillery! What will they do after we’re gone?”

General: “That’s their problem. What difference does it make if WE’RE gone? Shoot back!”

AMPW: “Sir, why don’t we just run away?”

General: “Because they’ll chase you down. You can’t run away from this fight.”

AMPW: “Sir, after exhaustive reconnaissance, we’ve discovered a handful of browns, blacks, and Jews who agree that our enemies are really bad people who should stop firing at us.”

General: “Uh, OK, so what? Shoot the enemy!”

AMPW: “Sir, some of the enemies’ shells are landing on non-whites!”

General: “In any battle there’s going to be friendly fire. That doesn’t help us. Shoot!”

AMPW: “Sir, a lot of the people shooting at us look like us. It doesn’t make any sense.”

General: “Treason never makes sense, but it happens. Shoot back!”

AMPW: “Sir, after they’ve defeated us they’re going to attack other people! They have a larger agenda!”

General: “That may be, but so what? Shoot back!”

AMPW: “Sir, last week the men thought it was the Illuminati leading the attack on us. But now they’re sure it is the Jesuits! I thought it was very important to inform you of this development. And I think it is wonderful that our men put so much thought and effort into this sort of thing.”

General: “Are you shooting back yet?”

AMPW: “Sir, the men have informed me that shooting back will never work and is a waste of time. They would much rather complain like 5 year old children.”

General: “Do the men know that if they don’t shoot back they will be exterminated?”

AMPW: “Sir, the men say shooting back is un-Aryan. They are too dignified to fight like our enemies. They want to engage in single combat only with axes and broadswords.”

General: “You have to fight the battle in front of you with the weapons you have.”

AMPW: “Sir, the men and I have agreed: our enemies’ actions are unconstitutional! If we just gobacktotheconstitution everything will be fine.”

General: “So, when you explain this they’re just going to stop firing? What is your point?”

AMPW: “Sir, one of our scouts reports he has seen an enemy with sidelocks!”

General: (face palm)

AMPW: “Sir, the enemy are a secret society!”

General: (double face palm)

AMPW: “Sir, we’ve discovered the enemy are Marxists!”

General: (double face palm head shaking)

AMPW: “Sir, we lost the war a long time ago.”

AMPW: “Sir, the men don’t like our weapons. And they think we should fight somewhere else.”

AMPW: “Sir, the enemies are Satanic!”

General puts down the phone and reaches for a bottle…


2ed654 No.4878527

Beaver are you even a fascist?


3a85eb No.4878689

File: 1454876046466.gif (1.33 MB, 255x203, 255:203, gtfomarine.gif)

Based Beaverposter, never leave.

>>4878527

Does it even matter?

Based Beaverposter could be counted as one of the great intellectuals and thinkers of our time. Does it matter what his particular social beliefs are?

Does that change the observations he has made or the likelihood of their being accurate and true?

No? So fuck back off to whatever hole you came out of, and see gif related.


2003d8 No.4878710

>>4875154

Modern English is a bastardized son of multiple different language and influences over the many years.

May English words derive and stem from Norse, Latin, and French (from the Normans).

Original Old English was a pretty basic language back when the Angles and Saxons occupied the British Isles and surrounding areas. It was regarded to be a quite simple language by others. The fact of the matter is we get most of our sk-/sc-/sky words from the Norse vikings, most of our medical, religious, and governing abstract terms from Latin, and "fancier" terms for simpler words from the Norman French.

The British Isles and surrounding areas have been occupied by many foreign bodies for many years, so it is only natural that the original Angle language is picked up, morphed, and reintegrated into the official, wide-spoken language now termed as "English".

And a thing most observable today, though it most certainly has always been happening, is the development of pidgins, which are technical or work related terms used only for work by foreigners to communicate with the native population. These pidgins eventually develop into creoles which are modified versions of the native populations language that the foreign population begins to speak.

For those of us in the U.S. we recognize two such creoles that are widespread, and they are "Ebonics", the language of blacks, and "Chicano English", the language of hispanics.

English is great in that its morphological structure allows a potentially infinite number of possibilities. Any number of free-content/lexical words can be added to a derivational morpheme (dis-, un-, -ize, -ly, etc) which not only allows more words to be created and derived, but grammatical category can also be changed allowing for even greater possibilities of abstract concept descriptions.

However, the descriptive grammar (grammar as it should be used officially) is all sorts of fucked up and we end up using prescriptive grammar anyways (grammar as it is actually used by people) and this means that English is always and always will be changing.

>tl;dr

>English is a big fucking blend of words from other cultures but is easily changeable and adaptable to new words and concepts despite its fucked up grammar system

Now I'm not an expert on this, and I may or may not have some facts mixed up or outright wrong, and if this is the case somebody feel free to correct me.


2ed654 No.4878773

>>4878689

Nigger I just asked a question about his political standings.

I'm sorry that hurt your feelings. Is he your idol or some shit? I mean he's certainly a smart guy and a good poster but unless he publishes some books or something, I don't see your boner being realized.


b58d12 No.4878775

>>4874924

But he is right.

I could go full /pol/mode concerning some topics in class without repercussions by simply replacing race with ethnic.


3a85eb No.4879068

File: 1454877925059.gif (292.51 KB, 500x278, 250:139, thread derailed.gif)

>>4878773

And my question to you was what does it matter what his political standings are? There's no need to try and bring that up in a thread regarding the use of language and it's evolution/devolution and how language can be manipulated to try and affect changes in the mind to censor thoughts and actions.

I mean, you seem like you may be a smart guy, but I don't see where your question has any relevance to the thread or the topic that Based Beaverposter has brought up and discussed at length.

What I see is you trying to do gif related, so please find another thread to shit up.

>>4878710

Also, think about how other languages tend to steal from English as well. English is a terrible language to try and discuss "macro" things, but works well when used for what the average person requires in everyday life.

In other words, it's a great language for the average plebian, but the fact that it's so malleable and flexible also tends to work against those who try to use the language for precise things like the discussion of greater truths.

For example: Ebonics.

When someone with a decent understanding of "proper English" and the way that the grammatical structures work tries to discuss something who knows only/mostly Ebonics (complete with slurred speech and lack of enunciation) you're going to have a lot of things that are lost in the translation. Now whether that is due to the lack of understanding that the Ebonics speaker has, or the inability of the proper English speaker to comprehend the words and concepts that the Ebonics speaker is trying to convey.

However, the proper English speaker will be mostly understood by the Ebonics user, if mostly because proper English could be considered an "archaic" form of Ebonics, similar to the differences between British English and American English.


2154b4 No.4879228

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Well that's a nice thread O.P., albeit a vague one.

Even with the help of linguists, language cannot evolve. The oil which is used to grease the coils of the consumption society is popular ignorance. Less words means more money.

Back in the days language was the thing of the rich and powerful, and scholars conceptualized new inventions or technological discovery with words. These words were rooted in the culture in which these innovations were invented, which in time fell on the populace like a soothing summer hail shower under the form of written entertainment.. provided that someone was there to prove its worth.

Fast forward a couple of decades and look at rich kids from instagram. These folks are the brighest elites the U.S.A. can offer, yet they communicate and reason like 12 years old. The operational matrix they have to navigate through is extremely simple, it takes the form of snapchat subs, emojis and very SHORT sentences. The gradual intrusion of technology into daily life has reduced the amount of effort required to do a simple task, but it has also reduced the amount of words needed to express ideas. The nation-wide IQ drops a few points each decades and books are gradually being removed from the educationnal cursus. People simply don't care anymore about what books might contain, hence the reason why nobody burns them anymore.

Let's take a practical example; Haiti used to value pure french over their primitive bastardized insular language. In the 70s-80s their elites went into exile, and the global level of their vocal and written interactions was dumbed down, which in turn led to massive brutishness of the whole country. No wonder they are amongst the poorest country in the world. Same for Africans and Indians, they simply do not understand the intellectual bases of the industralized society that they try to emulate.

>tl;dr Technology and language cannot simultaneously evolve


39089d No.4879300

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>4878689

>Based Beaverposter could be counted as one of the great intellectuals and thinkers of our time.

This video called Cuckada, by Laura Southern, have an exploding beaver.


8f0f86 No.4879340

bump


8dbf4c No.4879416

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d43edc No.4879442

To be, or not to be?

Heads, or tails?

A storm is coming


39089d No.4879511

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84bc3d No.4879733

>>4874716

>>4874750

>>4874825

>>4874879

I dislike your opinions on many things, particularly democracy or lack-thereof, but you are at least perceptive and thinking.

Of course words have power, We as humans tend to make very specific words for new things we see, feel or experience. Lesser cultures and people have fewer words in general (see Swahili and Bantu languages for how insane it can get. There is no word for promise in Xhosa. You simply cannot promise because it doesn't exist as a concept). But peoples will often have a variety of words for what matters to them like the Inuit words for snow. One of my favorite scenes from Dead Poets Society is where the teacher tells the boys the importance and power language and word choice has. Context, connotation, and deeper understanding of the point you want to make.

I would say that there is a movement across Western culture today that essentially wants to dilute language into simple and stupid tenets. Indignant becomes "I cant even". Fury or rage becomes "triggered". Words begin to fall out of use, lose meaning.

It does not take a super genius to recognize this. Though Castorposter, you seem to have a gift in breaking it down rationally and understandably.

9/10 keep up the work you smug fuck


c894eb No.4879979

>>4878527

Short answer: No.

Long answer: I'm a republican, but not a democrat. As I've explained before, democracy has glaring flaws and should be replaced by something better. I do think fascism has its advantages, and will be better than democracy in many cases, but it's too easy to abuse as well. True fascism means the government has full control of business ventures as it gets to decide which are good for the nation and should be allowed and which are detrimental and should be forbidden. Good on paper, but in reality there's a massive risk of abuse. I think the government should use propaganda to convince its people to avoid certain things rather than a gun to force businessmen to do what they want.

Personally, I think a republican technocracy would have a lot of merit, especially one where citizenship involves military training not to encourage war or obedience towards the government, but to have a citizenship capable of defending itself against a corrupt government.


c894eb No.4880035

>>4878162

I've noticed that when people avoid topics, it's often because either they want to escape the responsibility of having taken a decision concerning it or because they think that not naming it will remove it from reality.


c894eb No.4880068

>>4877894

I wish I could recommend books on the topic, but I can't. I know Orwell and Rand have written on the topic, as well as Nietzsche. As said in the thread, you might want to research the topic of linguistic relativity, aka the Sapir-Whorf theory.


40fa55 No.4880092

>>4879511

>Muh nazi counter clockwise magic

Kill yourself leftist, and take your faggot black-magic inverted symbol with you.


39089d No.4880270

File: 1454884759335.png (157.29 KB, 458x287, 458:287, put it back.png)

>>4880035

But both yours and my daily life is filled with instances where not mentioning a soar subject, makes it water under the bridge after time.

As always it is the nice things people do, that they debase and subvert.


39089d No.4880317

File: 1454884996435.jpg (58.26 KB, 600x400, 3:2, gallileo.jpg)

>>4880092

>Kill yourself leftist, and take your faggot black-magic inverted symbol with you.

Why do you out yourself as an idiot?


52fda4 No.4880324

File: 1454885036539.jpg (65.17 KB, 338x507, 2:3, 490988149.jpg)

>>4874716

Before the idiots go on anymore, I would like to stop, and say thank you Beaverfriend the most wise.

Posts like this make me want to get rich and fund this site forever going forward. Today, OP was the opposite of a faggot.


406d08 No.4881231

>>4874924

You just proved beavers talking point precisely, good job faggot.


94a686 No.4881342

>>4874750

I was always feeling sorry for english speaking people after what the world did to this language.

Especially after learning some african-english dialects linguist undergrad here considered as correct

aslo nice thread, I would like to add one more though.

>There is actually an abstract way for communication inside your head

>that is where inspiration comes from

>you were thinking in this abstract way long time ago

>the rise of civilization and languages made you forget this way of communication

>drugs bring it back

After doing some meditations and few interesting drugs I learned to actually think in this abstract way more than I think in spoken thoughts. Mainly because it is quicker and you can make associations much better, but you can't hold long thoughts like this, so you often quickly forget what you were thinking about, once some task you were working on is completed.

I believe psychedelic drugs enhanced this ability, and I though that is maybye why psychedelic drugs were made illegal, despite them being the safest out of all the other including legal drugs. But then I learned about not that known history of LSD and it being probably CIA developed drug, which kind of plays against that connection


e8c0be No.4881347

File: 1454890857797.jpg (24.96 KB, 259x306, 259:306, snippet.jpg)

Who's crazy now bitch?


e8c0be No.4881392

Now all we need to do is combine word magic with the stupid /x/-tier 'meme magic' and we'll be good to go.


becef5 No.4881427

>>4880092

>black-magic inverted symbol

>Sonnenrad


cf3517 No.4881679

File: 1454892779442.png (1.02 MB, 947x2359, 947:2359, nationalism-beaver.png)

>>4875372

How can one beaver be so based?


e8c0be No.4881788

>>4880317

>>4881427

>COINTELPRO pagan shit


406d08 No.4882457

>>4875458

>What I hate even more than that is the shitting upon of meaning itself by by associating words to incorrect concepts. I remember when McDonald's came up with the slogan "I'm lovin' it". I was legitimately enraged at the disrespect shown to the word (and therefore concept of) "love". I was actually in love at the time, and it was a feeling more glorious than anything else I've ever known! The idea that my "love" was somehow equatable to "barely enjoying a cheap sandwich" pissed me off, and still does.

Shit nigger, some stupid corporate slogan does not diminish actual romantic love from developing so it doesn't matter, and the meaning of words is highly variable and context sensitive anyway, calm down with that autism, you are like those SJWs bitching about casual use of the word rape (Person: "Dude, Germany totally raped in the World Cup this year" Feminist: "Fuck you shitlord RAPE CULTURE!!! Fucking triggered"), because they literally believe a figure of speech will change how people react to actual, literal rape. It doesn't and getting triggered because a word is not used literally 100 percent of the time is fucking retarded.


8c9b02 No.4886794

File: 1454932203495-0.png (872.14 KB, 1802x1404, 901:702, Beaver on Ambition.png)

File: 1454932203496-1.png (808.95 KB, 1895x1658, 1895:1658, Beaver on democracy.png)

File: 1454932203496-2.jpg (736.72 KB, 1866x1304, 933:652, Beaver on Echo Chamber.jpg)

Commencing dump.

Beavanon if you're still here, I've quoted you word for word and won arguments with this shit.

The hero /pol/ needs.


8c9b02 No.4886801

File: 1454932258040-0.png (965.18 KB, 1800x1259, 1800:1259, Beaver on Emasculation.png)

File: 1454932258040-1.png (517.13 KB, 1887x849, 629:283, Beaver on Free Speech.png)

File: 1454932258040-2.png (753.06 KB, 1839x1123, 1839:1123, Beaver on Immigration.png)

>>4886794

The dump continues.


8c9b02 No.4886803


8c9b02 No.4886811

File: 1454932378843-0.png (1.02 MB, 947x2359, 947:2359, Beaver on Nations.png)

File: 1454932378843-1.png (966.39 KB, 1448x1122, 724:561, Beaver on Power.png)

File: 1454932378843-2.png (936.34 KB, 1875x1777, 1875:1777, Beaver on Revolution.png)

>>4886801

>>4886803

I done goofed.


8c9b02 No.4886816

File: 1454932424088-0.png (610.24 KB, 1518x839, 1518:839, Beaver on The Media.png)

File: 1454932424088-1.png (474.2 KB, 915x1161, 305:387, Beaver on Violence.png)

>>4886811

Last one


aaa9d6 No.4886910

>>4874892

Agreed but he has interesting info to take under consideration as long as you don't let him manipulate you.


aaa9d6 No.4886967

>>4878527

He's a crypto-egalitarian anti-fascist with the obvious libshit tendency to make long-dragged walls of text about abstracts he could be way more spartan about, but since his arguments have logical consistency and are well articulated he's unsurprisingly popular in /pol/.


aaa9d6 No.4886988

>>4881342

>I was always feeling sorry for english speaking people

English are the only foreign language I know but it's objectively shit, mate. I now don't remember shit about French but I recall taking less than two years to learn the equivalent of 6 years of english lessons (because French actually had rules).


d4d393 No.4887053

>>4874924

He posts this stuff with the hopes of debate and arguments, if you've got a solid counter point bring it up.


25f1c2 No.4887145

>>4887053

That cunt's the tip of the iceberg. There is a massive tumor growing on /pol/ and right wing shit in general. They are people unable to analyse and question, but zealously follow the right wing narrative to the point of shutting down conversation that triggers them. It's really fucking spooky. I'm not saying /pol/ is SJWs, but this new subset of people are basically SJWs with a few /pol/ directives installed.

The zombies are among us. I'm not sure it's a good or bad thing.


a62111 No.4887205

>>4874716

You, sir, are full of shit.

Not having a more 'unique' term for a color doesn't mean we don't recognize the color or can't effectively talk about it. I can say yellow-green, and we all know what I'm talking about. Red-yellow would be in no way inferior to 'orange', if in an alternate timeline oranges didn't exist it may have remained the term of choice.

For argument's sake, let's pretend there was a yellow-green fruit called 'citronicus' that was popular and we had historically renamed the color yellow-green as 'citronicus' instead of yellow-green. Do you really believe that would somehow constitute a legitimate "expansion" of language? It actually makes the language less organized and shittier when you ad a bunch of new words based on foreign morphemes or made up gibberish rather than using existing morphemes. As it stands, that's one of the main reasons English is so difficult to acquire as a second language or truly master as a first language (too many different roots from too many different languages.)

Do you think the term 'mailman' being made from 'mail' and 'man' is a terrible word for being made from two familiar morphemes instead of a totally unique identifier and we ought to make up something original for this new concept like borrowing a word for mail from a different language and bastardizing it to coin a new English term? You couldn't be more gravely mistaken.


c894eb No.4887215

File: 1454936677729.jpg (35.81 KB, 604x453, 4:3, cant tell if troll.jpg)


a79aa0 No.4887279

File: 1454937319907.jpg (41.25 KB, 540x960, 9:16, 1504987_550807515022889_32….jpg)

>>4874716

Okay so from the have a degree in linguistics perspective…

This is a big OOPS because linguistic relativity- the idea that language effects thought has been really hit and miss with research.

Any "they don't have the vocabulary" argument is fucked, we add words all the time. Did we need a word twitter to invent twitter? No. Did we need the word cuckservative to have angst about the republican party? No.

Also if you study any advance field in anything they turn words into technical words with explicit meanings all the time… Think of what a "body" means to a philosopher vs a politician, or "A matter of fact" in the context of Hume vs the context of the law.

Add that to a bunch of the shit that gets spouted was debunked in the 1800's when we got better translators…

Lets look at colors…

Colors are a spectrum. As a culture has or adds words it chops the color spectrum into difference slices. If you have 3, 5, 10, different colors each of them chops the colors into 30%, 20%, 10%.

This plays no bearing on their ability to do shit from stroop tests to seeing objects in color blind tests.

>>4874879

The big things in linguistic relativity that actually hold up are "directional languages", cultures with weird math (the notable example being rome hitting a "cognitive cap" because all of their trade and law rounded to the nearest V, X, C, M and Australian Aborigionese simply having no math)

Some Desert tribes when saying a noun include a directional article. So if you say computer you say north computer, south computer if you are on the other side of it etc.

People who grow up in these tribes are massively better at everything you can throw at them map and direction wise.

However, these people live in a desert. They will die if they do not know the direction back to water/the tribe. It is really hard to separate that upbringing from the language so it is really hard to tell if the language causes the difference in their thoughts.

Oh yeah and hunter gather tribes kick everyone else's ass at any kind of visual spacial test regardless of language. Kids taken out of those tribes for one reason or another lose that ability so its pretty strongly pointed toward upbringing.

Oh yeah and native English speakers shouldn't be able to do physics well (which is patently false) because of how we use on/in/of etc.

Think of the phrase "in the grass" vs "on the grass" the ambiguity should make us a less precise language and thus bad at math.

Linguistics was a "hobby" science for a really long time. 90% of their data was shit explorers wrote down about a language they knew dick about.

Today linguistics is focused very much on being able to ram in into a computer and being able to find the "universal grammar", which is the underlying structure all languages have in common, which so far has been fun because its involved a ton of confirming whether or not you can say the same things in every language and it has been resolving all those pesky snags pretty well.


a79aa0 No.4887361

>>4887145

I'm think its always been like that. All of the "wud u have been a nazi" pyschology after WW2 pretty much proved most people just obey authority, or "anti-authority authority" unquestioningly.

>>4881342

>I was always feeling sorry for english speaking people after what the world did to this language.

>Especially after learning some african-english dialects linguist undergrad here considered as correct

Did you read old English and weep because we don't speak anything like that? Did you see any of the work on how fast languages diverge and change?

When you say "considered correct" you realize that when talking about dialects bostonian, new yorker and creole languages are considered correct because the definition for "correct dialect" is simply consistent rules spoken throughout a distinguishable populace?

>>4887205

you are dead on


a62111 No.4887429

>>4879068

American English is actually considered to be more archaic than British English. According to linguists, American English is truer to 17th century English, while British English has been evolving at a rapid pace.


c894eb No.4887558

>>4887279

Those desert tribes you're mentioning actually do have words for orientations, so not exactly a relevant example…


b5faff No.4887662

Anti-Trump shills using beaver as an avenue of shilling ITT

Hide anti-Trump threads

Filter anti-Trump ID's


d3d2ef No.4887787

This is a really good post.

People (robots) who say "This is as anit-trump post" or "shill thread" are using exactly what is mentioned, buzzwords to stop someone from thinking. I almost fell for it myself.

Just read the beaver posts guys.


59929c No.4887968

>>4874750

>You will notice in recent times attempts to legitimize certain dialects which are simplified versions of a certain language. Such efforts are an abomination and must be stopped at all costs. By limiting the vocabulary of people, whether it be simply their ability to name things or subtler things such as the separation of the subject in persons (first, second and third) or verb tenses, what becomes limited is people's ability to think. Though such dialects can be an interesting field of study, they should never be promoted as being legitimate, or being equal to fully developed languages.

kek. Standardised Languages are controlled by the elites.

Dialects are fully and natural languages. Burgers cannot into ideas


e6abc9 No.4888021

>>4874716

It's quite silly to say that you can't conceptualize something if there isn't a word for it. These African tribes can't determine left from right because determining left from right was never relevant for them, not because they don't have a word for it. Languages are determined by concepts, not the other way around. You're putting the chicken before the egg.


59929c No.4888125

>>4881679

>>4886794

>>4886801

>>4886811

>>4886816

I have read them all. Most of them are half truths and written to be popular not true to fact.

He is a douche that likes himself talking. No wonder stupid Americans are impressed by that.


406688 No.4888294

File: 1454945736804.jpg (76.69 KB, 470x347, 470:347, capibara1.jpg)

TLDR… Stefan, is that you? :^)


6d38ed No.4889111

>>4874716

>If a concept is not named, it is not possible to think about it, at least not properly

What? If I show you a disassembled ball bearing, you don't need to know that the pieces on which the balls roll are called races to *really properly think about* their function.


4c8a76 No.4889562

File: 1454953720181.gif (1.46 MB, 217x217, 1:1, 1430766539713.gif)


bb8bb7 No.4889889

>>4880317

literally drink battery acid


c894eb No.4891803

>>4889111

No, but if you don't have a word for "balls" or "metal", when not presented with said ball bearings, you can't express what they are and transmit that knowledge to others,


c894eb No.4891926

>>4888125

That's a brilliant fucking retort there. "It's all stupid, just trust me."

And what have you written lately?


bf2b33 No.4892063

>>4874924

>>4875032

Way to prove Beaveranon right, nigger. You've got absolutely dick-all to back your inane ramblings with. Back to reddit with you.


e60c53 No.4892218

>>4874716

>What is important to understand is that you cannot truly understand a concept unless you can name it, and this affects how you think.

Stopped reading right there. Total bullshit.

Say a child is born in the wild without the use of language. When the child becomes hungry does he understand hunger more or less than your average language-wielding human?


bf2b33 No.4892231

>>4892218

Another faggot who instantly misses the point.


e60c53 No.4892276

>>4892231

Enlighten me.. whats the point then, cunt?

Linguistic relativity is garbage.


d2568a No.4892304

>>4892231

>you're wrong but i won't explain how!

Good post.


39089d No.4892314

File: 1454966844729.jpg (807.21 KB, 1500x1500, 1:1, 1408405885751.jpg)

>>4881788

>>COINTELPRO pagan shit

Like the heathens have any power to do COINTELPRO shit.


54f711 No.4892319

Linguist here.

OP is a faggot.


e60c53 No.4892343

>>4892231

>>4892276

Not only that but if ur trying to argue people can't TRANSMIT information effectively without language, I say look at the great apes. All managed to learn tool use and teach each other, no words required.

OP status = BTFO the water


6b1dc1 No.4892361

>>4887205

So, I actually minored in anthropology (it's been over a decade now so I'm rusty on details, I'm scrounging up the research as we speak), and I BELIEVE there actually is a test whereby you can take two color swatches and place them side by side, and certain people actually perceive them as being the SAME COLOR, ie they do not perceive a difference between the two color swatches. While other people see them as being quite distinct. In fact there are more subtle tests that even people from the same cultures have better or worse ability to distinguish colors. This goes beyond simple naming differences, this is a perceptual difference. I'm digging for this shit, standby. It's not as easy to find as I though it would be.


bf2b33 No.4892407

>>4892343

>>4892319

>>4892304

>>4892276

>all this asshurt from contrarian detractors

Except apes haven't formed a society, and the information they transmit is simple as shit.


6b1dc1 No.4892426

File: 1454967325286.jpg (422.65 KB, 1440x2938, 720:1469, dress-720.jpg)

>>4892361

While I dig into the research, remember this little gem? The fucking dress. Now I can't for the life of me see this dress as white and gold, I only see it as blue and black. But some people interpret it the other way, and swear by it. For the record, I'm right, the fucking dress is blue and black. Do any of you see it differently? Because I remember people SWEARING it was white and gold.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/02/28/science/white-or-blue-dress.html


c1c3fd No.4892431

OP is the definition of pseudo intellectual

Please don't bump this anymore


6b1dc1 No.4892468

>>4892431

Aww fuck you, you sound like a "smart" 120 IQ who can't believe that's not the end of the scale. If you haven't broken ~140 your brain doesn't work the same. We can read your tells the exact same way a /pol/ack can tell if you're one of us or not, or when it's a female posting. It's blatant, it's practically a psychic knowing


bf2b33 No.4892469

>>4892431

>I can't refute his arguments, therefore OP's a faggot!

Cry more.


e60c53 No.4892488

>>4892407

No shit their like 50,000 years behind. Point is information can still be transmitted, and you aren't as smart as you think you are. In fact communicating with symbols and spoken language is rather primitive and inefficient.. compared to other modes.

Also apes do form their own societys (primitive as they may)


e60c53 No.4892524

>>4892426

This was a test to see how well people respond to suggestion/brainwashing.

The dress is clearly blue and black but those who are totally brainwashed swear up and down they thought it was white and gold. Or they are just trying to be contrarian


bf2b33 No.4892528

>>4892488

What Beaver meant is that Language can change the way how information is transmitted. Just look at liberals who can't comprehend our shit, and thus break down.


c894eb No.4892547

>>4892218

Language is not necessary in order to have bodily functions, no, which is entirely besides the point. You do not need language to understand them because your body has signals to make you feel them.


6b1dc1 No.4892573

File: 1454968012450.jpg (10.77 KB, 575x156, 575:156, 03_21_2013_optical-illusio….jpg)

There's another interesting thin about culture and perception, and that's the persistence of optical illusions. From everything I've studied, this is due the the environment you're raised in. For instance, if you grow up seeing 90 degree angles, you fall prey to certain illusions. In a different illusion, people who are used to looking down from high elevations (South American mountain people for instance) don't fall for different ones. This isn't language per se, but it does show that perception can be different based on culture and experience.

>Then the researchers journeyed farther afield, testing people from several African tribes. Bushmen from southern Africa failed to show the illusion at all, perceiving the lines as almost identical in length. Small samples of Suku tribespeople from northern Angola and Bete tribespeople from the Ivory Coast also failed to show the illusion, or saw Line B as only very slightly longer than Line A. Müller-Lyer’s eponymous illusion had deceived thousands of people from WEIRD societies for decades, but it wasn’t universal.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/are-optical-illusions-cultural-6633978/

>>4892524

I don't know man, my buddy showed me this and his friends seemed to legitimately have a different perception. I don't think they were lying or trying to be cool, I knew a couple of them and my good friend knew all of them very well.


e60c53 No.4892603

>>4892528

I dont like this attention whoring wanna be tripfag. Dont play into his shit, beavers aren't even that cool.

Liberals cant comprehend shit because they are emotional/have women brains/have a brain defect (same shit rite?) or they were simply taught differently. The words you use hardly matter. I can describe my political positions without the inflammatory terminology /pol/ seems to need


e60c53 No.4892631

>>4892573

They were lying. Or they are really that weak willed. Plenty of people tried to tell me they saw white and gold, then when the whole thing was debunked they told me after they thought it was bullshit. People wanna be right but dont trust their own eyes enough to accept that as truth so they take the medias truth instead. This was the purpose of that particular exercise.


bf2b33 No.4892770

>>4892603

Beaver's entire point is that Controlling Language is a very effective form of brainwashing, and Liberals prove it right.

Just because he avatarfags with a beaver doesn't mean his posts are shit.


6b1dc1 No.4892777

>>4892631

>Or they are really that weak willed.

Oh, I assumed that they were stupid, and that somehow their brains were wired differently. It could be that they were just weak-willed and trying to say the right thing, as you say. But despite that, I do have an intuition that people's perceptions are fundamentally different when you get down to the QUALIA of a thing. I remember thinking as a child: what if the color I see as "brown", the color of the dirt, is ACTUALLY the same qualia that you experience when you look at the sky–as if our brains were processing the personal experience of seeing color-negative opposites of each other? How could we explain this to each other? We'd have to say, "Well it's the color of the dirt," or "It's the color of the sky." Even if our subjective experiences were different, how could we know that or communicate it?


bf2b33 No.4893106

>>4892777

Trips say anti-beaverfags btfo.


6b1dc1 No.4893216

File: 1454970933189.jpg (18.89 KB, 320x320, 1:1, 1-s2.0-S0960982204005494-g….jpg)

>>4892777 (self-referential check)

I finally found a fucking scientific article on the goddamn topic.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982204005494

>Recent findings show that colour processing, like most other sensory attributes, is shaped by experience

>Understanding the morphogenesis of the brain is a wonderful challenge for neurobiologists: investigating how nerve cells and their connections are organised into a coherent functional unit is both intrinsically interesting, and medically relevant

> Recent results have shown that the identity of this wavelength remains fairly constant from individual to individual [7]. What makes this result unexpected is the known variability in the underlying retinal architecture in humans, which one might expect would cause large variations in the physical locus of unique yellow. The reason that it does not, it seems, is because – through experience – the visual system compensates for the genetically determined differences in colour processing

>Further studies also suggest a role for experience in ‘higher-level’ aspects of colour perception. As reported recently in Current Biology, Yoichi Sugita [9] raised monkeys in fairly extreme conditions of visual deprivation, in which each animal spent their first year of life in a room illuminated for 12 hours a day by monochromatic lights. Throughout the light cycle, the illuminant would switch randomly between four monochromatic lights every minute. As a result of this unusual experience, the monkeys' colour perception was degraded in two ways: first, their judgments of colour similarity differed (fairly incoherently) from control animals; and second, they were unable to recognise a target surface under an illuminant they had not experienced [9]. A similar effect on perception has also been observed in fish raised under a single chromatic light [10]. Thus, colour perception, like that of motion, form, sound and touch, is modulated by experience.

>The colours that we, and presumably other animals, see are thus accurate representations neither of the physical world – with which we have no direct access – nor of the physical qualities of light stimuli…(r)ather, they represent an empirical, and thus probabilistic, correlation between a stimulus and sources that have typically generated similar stimuli in past experience.

I mean, read the article yourself. This shit is fucking cool


bf2b33 No.4893283

>>4893216

Anti-Beaverfaggots BTFO.


c894eb No.4893313

>>4893216

Thank you very much for that link. I need to go back to sleep, but I'm definitely reading it when I get back up.


d4c042 No.4893386

>shitposting in a beaver thread

Smells awfully cuckchanny in here. Either that, or (((SOMEBODY))) doesn't like the fact he's dissecting their bullshit.


39089d No.4893397

File: 1454971947641-0.jpg (74.17 KB, 427x337, 427:337, cuckold.jpg)

File: 1454971947642-1.jpg (861.24 KB, 2400x2400, 1:1, little white cuck-ball.jpg)

>>4892361

>While other people see them as being quite distinct.

They don't see them differently, they classify, and to the degree words are stand ins for perception when recollected, the will remember them differently.

The color orange is for me defined by what others perceive as orange, something that can be a problem if I go to Finland, and say yellow, but get something orange, IIRC, but it's not a big problem.

The words racist and cuck, are much more interesting, because here it's the shame and fear that others will judge you for being a cuck or a racist, if the members of society see that is a bad thing.

Just like the laws against drunk driving make more stay sober if they are driving, that the ones that are punished, the social influence of these hate words is a lot larger than it appears if you look at use alone, because people avoid uttering things that might do damage to their social status.

The hate words Nazi, racist, fascist are all socially constructed by the media and education system, by them constantly bombarding us with stories about the holohoax and poor little Sambo.

We don't own the media or control the education system where we could socially construct anti-white into a hate word, by telling endless stories about how evil they are.

What we could do, and actually did do, was make cuck into a hate word, because the shame springs out the the inborn male cuckoldry avoidance instinct, that all males in Nature share.

It's no longer fun for the anti-white men, to insist that race, nation and family are socially constructed entities, If asked if you lend out your wife to other men, and raise their children as your own, because family and fatherhood, is JUST social constructs, that can be reconstructed at will.


6b1dc1 No.4893591

File: 1454972873708.jpg (77.03 KB, 600x512, 75:64, am_GB_grid.jpg)

>>4893397

I'm interested in what you're saying, I will get back on track too, but it is a different topic than the one I got off on (because I strayed off topic, but I think there's a connection in there somewhere). But to make the statement that people "see things the same" is pure conjecture, you should take a glance at this article I posted. The actual, scientific fact is that brains can become REWIRED by stimuli such that they actually process information differently.

Evidence seems to show that, in fact, PERCEPTION ITSELF differs from person to person. Think of the monkey in the experiment, he literally couldn't see the surface that was illuminated by a color that his visual cortex had never been wired to see. This is where we aren't discussing linguistics or philosophy, this is a neurobiological issue. I could go deeper into detail on this but I doubt you guys would just believe me, and I'd end up spending a bunch more time digging up scientific articles.

I'll just get back on track and discuss the idea of the original OP. Although I maintain there is a connection between the two topics. Pic totally unrelated, I didn't get to use it yet and it's sitting on my desktop. But it's pretty


6b1dc1 No.4894175

File: 1454975256984.jpg (155.79 KB, 727x1000, 727:1000, 1423999613127.jpg)

>>4893397

>We don't own the media or control the education system where we could socially construct anti-white into a hate word

>What we could do, and actually did do, was make cuck into a hate word, because the shame springs out the the inborn male cuckoldry avoidance instinct, that all males in Nature share

This is a powerful point, it took me a minute to switch gears. You seem to be saying that since we couldn't craft the circumstances to socially mold our insult, we had to reach down to something deeper. And the sexual impulse is about as base and strong as an impulse there is. That's worth exploring very deeply for the purposes of memecrafting.

Of course for a lot of people, mockery is a strong form of influence. Mainly for weak beta-types, women and children. In each of these cases, the person feels as if they can't survive without the group propping them up. I think that's why men take jabs at each other, insult each other. It's a pushing out of the nest maneuver, saying no, you don't have my support, I'm even actively against you–but you should do it anyway. Because that's what pioneers do, that's what men do. That's now new shit gets figured out. That's why /pol/acks are so good at making dank OC, because we fuck with each other so mercilessly that eventually we get thick skin and decide to just say fuck it, I'll do it myself then. And if you get the praise of an anon, you know it's legit, because if it wasn't he'd take a fat shit on your work. It's not because you're 'popular', it's because you did well.

For a bunch of wizard faggot neet autiststs, we're about as alpha as it gets these days. Even Chad is chained by his social expectations, and if the crowd doesn't approve of him he's likely to be deposed, exiled. Kind of like how the king is, ironically, the least free man in the kingdom. Only the fool is truly free. Shit has truly come full circle.


39089d No.4895870

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>>4894175

>This is a powerful point, it took me a minute to switch gears. You seem to be saying that since we couldn't craft the circumstances to socially mold our insult, we had to reach down to something deeper. And the sexual impulse is about as base and strong as an impulse there is. That's worth exploring very deeply for the purposes of memecrafting.

Eh Yes.

What happened was more mundane.

An opportunity came to meme back the old metaphorical meaning of cuckoldry, where you are treated as if somebody tricked/forced you in working against your own benefit, in much the same way the cuckoo bird exploits the cuckolded bird.

Pol knew the word from the anti-whites posting cuck porn to shame us, so when moot blew up pol, for being called a cuck, adding brood parasitism and metaphorical cuckoldry to how pol understood the word, was only a matter of insulting enough polacks on cuckchan for being cucks, and then explain why you used the world correctly, if they complained.

Another thing that was intentional, was to never give cuck a formal definition, but have this be determined by how the word is used only, and then use it as a verb, substantive, adjective or adverb, to widen the domain where it's correct to use the word.

Also intentional was to use it as a prefix or suffix, so the newly weaponized word could create new concepts like wagecucks and cuckservative.

Cuckservative and wagecuck was made popular outside pol, so I don't know what they did, but I think Cuckservative was made popular by insulting Cuckservatives on twitter.

What I like best with the cuck meme, is how it kills social constructivism, as I have said, we and the cucks share biology, so we share the cuckoldry avoidance instincts, even if they pretend the feelings are not there, so being called a cuck, is worse for them, than it is for us.


6b1dc1 No.4896615

File: 1454982942354.jpg (77.63 KB, 504x207, 56:23, 100horrors.jpg)

>>4895870

> insulting enough polacks on cuckchan for being cucks

Kek it's /pol/ and /pol/ack

>Another thing that was intentional, was to never give cuck a formal definition, but have this be determined by how the word is used only, and then use it as a verb, substantive, adjective or adverb, to widen the domain where it's correct to use the word.

Kind of like the word 'fuck' which, incidentally, rhymes like a boss.

>What I like best with the cuck meme, is how it kills social constructivism, as I have said, we and the cucks share biology, so we share the cuckoldry avoidance instincts, even if they pretend the feelings are not there, so being called a cuck, is worse for them, than it is for us.

I knew there was common ground between the color thing and the cuck thing, it's the marriage of biology and perception. I just let my subconscious crank out the work, when I feel it fire up I just get out of the way.

Here's a thing on-topic:

>An anguished Ted Sloan asks (1996), "What is the problem with modernity? Why do modern societies have such a hard time producing adults capable of intimacy, work, enjoyment, and ethical living? Why is it that signs of damaged life are so prevalent?" According to David Morris (l994), "Chronic pain and depression, often linked and occasionally even regarded as a single disorder, constitute an immense crisis at the center of postmodern life." We have cyberspace and virtual reality, instant computerized communication in the global village; and yet have we ever felt so impoverished and isolated?

>Out of a sense of being trapped and limited by symbols comes the thesis that the extent to which thought and emotion are tied to symbolism is the measure by which absence fills the inner world and destroys the outer world.

> We seem to have experienced a fall into representation, whose depths and consequences are only now being fully plumbed. In a fundamental sort of falsification, symbols at first mediated reality and then replaced it. At present we live within symbols to a greater degree than we do within our bodily selves or directly with each other.

>The more involved this internal representational system is, the more distanced we are from the reality around us. Other connections, other cognitive perspectives are inhibited, to say the least, as symbolic communication and its myriad representational devices have accomplished an alienation from and betrayal of reality.

>Cohen (1974), who observed that "symbols are essential for the development and maintenance of social order." The ensemble of symbols represents the social order and the individual's place in it, a formulation that always leaves the genesis of this arrangement unquestioned. How did our behavior come to be aligned by symbolization?

http://deoxy.org/failure.htm

It's another long article, but amazingly relevant to the conversation.


68ec06 No.4916763

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>>4874716

>linguistic relativity


39089d No.4917879

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>>4896615

>it's /pol/ and /pol/ack

I know, but that is how we USED to write in my opinion.

>Kind of like the word 'fuck' which, incidentally, rhymes like a boss.

You can blame that on the homosexuals, as the older homosexual can't keep up with his younger partner's sex drive, so he takes pleasure looking at him having sex with others.

There are no chance of being stuck with a child that is not yours for the homosexuals, so the emotional pain seems to be connected to being left out of the orgy, not that your partner might bang some other dude, so they named these people cucks, to differentiate from the Shakespearean cuckolds.

>I knew there was common ground between the color thing and the cuck thing, it's the marriage of biology and perception. I just let my subconscious crank out the work, when I feel it fire up I just get out of the way.

I am the only one that I have seen, that is interested in why cuckold disappeared as an insult.

Cuckold fell out of use, because it stopped being used in printing. As to why, it's speculation, but I like to say it is because the little people should not have mental tools that help them recognize and tell others, that they are being cucked by the big guys.

I actually think it is the law of unintended consequences, as the controllers of the presses, and thus the language we get to think with, didn't understand the conceptual black holes they created, when they started creating and removing words, so we should became more civilized.

If you look at the English words guilt, it used to be sculd, as it still is in German and the Nordic languages, while guilt is money in German and debt in Nordic.

Guilt is still used as sculd, to the degree that English needed new words for the old guilt, but the connection to what you shall and shouldn't do, is lost.

The three Norns were named verb forms of what where, what is, and what shall become, and seen as the grandmother birthing the present as a the mother, that gives birth to the future in the form of the maiden, in an endless cycle.

When Christianity came, we got providence for wyrd, and the wyrd spinning triad, was replaced with Anna, Maria and Jesus.

Then come the Reformation and Jesu grandmother Anna is out the window, together with the cuckold monks.

When Christianity arrived, the


39089d No.4918044

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>>4874716

>Once the fruit was discovered, its color was named after it.

>>4896615

>We have cyberspace and virtual reality, instant computerized communication in the global village; and yet have we ever felt so impoverished and isolated?

When institutions started to make the words we use to think and communicate with, they made words that benefited the institution, not the people that made up the institution.

That the word cuck is a mental tool to understand how we are being cucked, in addition to a hate word for the cucks, is kind of fitting, as words have not been coined to the benefit of individuals in a very long time.

PS. it was the Britpol calling Owen Jones a cuck, that made me see how good it was as a hate word in the metaphorical sense, as I did not know that he was a real cuck, that liked to watch, and that the Bongs were bullying him on this.


000000 No.4918120

>>4892524

>The dress is clearly blue and black but those who are totally brainwashed swear up and down they thought it was white and gold. Or they are just trying to be contrarian

I genuinely believed that it was white and gold. I thought that it was another one of those optical illusions and that there was a needless amount of hubbub about it (even Sky News ran a report on it) and that this is basically proof that news has been reduced to gossip material that panders to middle-aged, bored housewives sat alone at home.

>They were lying. Or they are really that weak willed. Plenty of people tried to tell me they saw white and gold, then when the whole thing was debunked they told me after they thought it was bullshit. People wanna be right but dont trust their own eyes enough to accept that as truth so they take the medias truth instead. This was the purpose of that particular exercise.

I'm not lying, even now, I only see white and gold. I admit though, I am weak-willed. I am literally a 300lb NEET, getting my life together is something I have repeatedly procrastinated on and my opinions do sway easily on an emotional level, depending on the source. I was even diagnosed with autism as a child. If this kind of pathetic laziness has rewired my brain, then that's that. While I may distrust my opinions on particular topics and while I do have a desire to "fit in" and conform to whatever milieu I find myself in, the fact is that I do trust my basic senses. Social situations can be very complex so I distrust my perception of them however something basic like what colours you see in a particular image is something I can trust since this is a question of our raw perception. I trust them so much that when I was at Uni and the board was blurry, I erroneously believed that the projector was bad. It never occurred to me that I might need glasses or that I was literally the only one that had an issue with the projector. The idea that people could lie about what colours they see to "fit in", to me, seems ridiculously extreme. It gives this incident an "Emperor's New Clothes" vibe. Now, I don't watch TV except when I'm eating something either and that's mostly to pass the time and I don't have a social life so my first exposure to the dress was actually from imageboards. I'm being serious. I really do see white and gold.

The fact that I can only see white and gold was something I was convinced to be due to either my autism, my severe social isolation or heavy channing. The constant blue hue has rewired my visual cortex or some shit. Nonetheless, while I genuinely see white and gold, I'm quite certain that it's because I'm ill in some way.

The irony here is that I'd have to lie and say that I see blue and black to fit in.

>>4892777

>Oh, I assumed that they were stupid, and that somehow their brains were wired differently

I am a lazy uni drop-out. I can confirm this.


39089d No.4918198

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>>4918120

> I really do see white and gold.

The brain-eye is evolved to see the same color under different lightening conditions.

Blue eyes are an adaptation to the blue arctic nights, as the atmosphere bends enough blue rays, to keep it from going too dark to see.

Because of this light bending, dusk is called the blue hour in English, but the big question is, is the the snow blue or white during dusk, dawn and night in winter?


55f636 No.4918214

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I like beavers.


bd81d5 No.4918259

>>4892426

See nobody ever says blue and gold, so I feel like a compete and utter retard every time that retarded shit comes up because I'm the only asshole who sees it that way.


39089d No.4918537

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>>4918259

How fucking hard is it to understand that you see the colors under the light conditions your brain thinks are there?

People will describe blood on snow as red during the night in wintertime, when there are no red light photons, to give it that color.

Blood is red, so seeing it as red, when there are little or no red light around, is an advantage, because it would make you correctly identify an item better, than if color was determined by the light reaching the eyes, without the brain compensating for the ambient light.

How red looks under blue light, is thus seen as red, even when it's no longer red, if you determine by the photons being reflected.


7e81de No.4919863

>>4874825

So since leftards can stop rational-thinking people with a thought-stopping word, we need to come up with our own single words or phrases that keep the thought process flowing (antidotes to the stoppage), and we need to do that before we start arguing with these people in public since it might not be easy to do on the fly.


000000 No.4920282

>>4918198

Highly informative, thank you.

>>4918537

So basically, by changing what we assume about the lighting conditions, we can change our perception? And your issue with that guy's post is that he seems to be complaining about something which is actually within his control? He's basically saying that he feels alone due to nobody having his interpretation and then you dumped all of this tangentially related info on him.

>>4919863

I remember seeing people on /pol/ discuss techniques for redpilling normal people / redditors and one of the techniques was to try and lead them into an immediate emotional dissonance. In the thread, the OP was arguing with a person on omegle that the whites in south africa were wrongfully robbed of their land. At first, the omegle-person believed that it was racist to say anything about the blacks but then the OP did some kind of trick. You have to realise that these "thought-stopping words" are merely indoctrinated emotional responses. They're not meant to be logically consistent and you're not meant to be able to check that they are so the OP "jewed the system" so to speak and turned it on itself. Only then did the omegle-person realise that the white farmers in south africa really were robbed of their land for purely racial reasons.

I wish I screencapped it. It was something like "Oh, so you think the blacks need to have a government to help them get their land back? You think they're weak? Are you racist?" but not quite since the example I just gave shames people for believing in the victim-narrative.


5887f9 No.4920395

>>4887279

This.

OP does not understand the difference between cause and effect.


39089d No.4920506

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>>4920282

>So basically, by changing what we assume about the lighting conditions, we can change our perception?

YES.

Painters do it all the time, and have been doing it for since the dutch masters at least. I believe they call it choosing a palette, that you pick out a number of base colors you paint with say 6.

Pigments that kept their color over time where few and expensive, but by changing the ambient light in the picture, made you able to paint colors that are not there.

As for the complainer, he needs to stop thinking about how everything is so hard because he sees the world differently, and start communicating with people that don't care, and that is most white working class men.


b485cc No.4920865

File: 1455131635805.jpg (27.81 KB, 475x352, 475:352, 1429913799773.jpg)

Thanks, beaver guy.

You're not the first one to think of this, Orwell warned us of newspeak long ago.

I also found this, the smallest shred of evidence that we're not alone in sharing this notion. http://archive.is/QAiB1

Protect your language. Let no one shame you into butchering it, take it from someone whose language has been utterly destroyed by foreign powers, turning an entire nation into a herd of confused serfs. We have to bend over backwards and borrow every other word to express just about anything that isn't small talk; it is because of our broken language that most of us are stuck in a nihilistic crab bucket, surrounded by people but alone in our thoughts. No wonder all of our greatest minds are bilingual, and eventually end up migrating and dissociating themselves from their homeland. We can not close the gap between the trivial and the serious anymore. It's not just the damaged language that did this to us, but it likely played the biggest part in our downfall.

I don't need to tell you that, but to others; resist the memes, do not bend over to the low attention span culture. It will not only imprison you, but also make you forget that you were ever free.

On a slightly related note; your mind is your last stand. Don't shelter yourself, but keep it as clean as you can. Be mindful of things you expose yourself to, they can change you without your knowledge. Stay away from advertising altogether. We've only begun to explore the tip of the iceberg here, memes might turn out to be more dangerous than bullets in the wrong hands.




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