25d828 No.4895581
Donald Trump will declare the 2nd Mexican American War
We know that Mexico will not pay for the wall willingly, and we know that there's a high likelihood of cartel violence spilling over into the states in the near future. Both of which could be used to justify military invasion of Mexico. War would, in turn, provide justification for the return of internment camps as well as mass deportation; more pragmatically, it would also provide the necessary cover to keep reporting of such events in mainstream media tightly controlled.
War with Mexico would be a boost to the economy, as wars frequently are, and it would go a long way towards quieting the discontent which has become so vocal on places like /pol/. Enlist, shoot some beaners, and retire on a ranch in the freshly annexed New Texas. It would also serve to prevent Russian subversion along the southern border.
5957fb No.4895896
>>4895581
Can we even consider it a war? If we really wanted to we could have Mexico completely taken over in a week.
25d828 No.4896055
>>4895896
There's a fair amount of rough terrain into which guerrilla forces could embed themselves. It may also be beneficial to not enter the war at full strength for the directed purpose of population control.
Though, the main reason I think it would qualify as a proper war, as opposed to military intervention, would be the high likelihood of annexation or a formalize vassal status for Mexico.
3cc36d No.4896114
Cartels are funded by drug money. Remove the drug money and they die along with their violence.
War doesn't boost the economy unless you plunder the nations assets you're warring with. War is a means of putting a nation and its people into debt.
Mexico doesn't have a choice doing what we say, if we lose our bleeding heart syndrome and take a truly conservative stance for once in our miserable fucking lives. Mexico has already declared war on us with the illegal immigration. All actions would simply be a response to the ongoing war Mexico has waged on the U.S.
fd6c02 No.4896353
>>4896114
Mexico has oil and large amounts of silver.
Maybe even uranium, idk for sure.
Logistics would be cheaper than the Iraq war, plus its destroyed infrastructure would require loans and its assets could be bought for pennies on the peso.
*hand rubbing intensifies
2c0d9b No.4896370
I've already decided that I'm joining the Border Patrol when he's elected. Not even joking.
aedcc9 No.4896451
>>4896370
>joining the border patrol
mfw the border patrol will be the new SS
51cdcf No.4896470
2ce8fa No.4896483
Texas on its own without any American help could curbstomp Mexico.
Mexico's military is a fucking joke, they barely have tanks, and the cartels would be easily dealt with if we just went back to WW2 policies regarding partisans.
5957fb No.4896500
>>4896451
>>4896370
Under Trump the border patrol will be a prestigious position given only to the elite. Children will look up at the wall and gaze at our mighty border patrol and on the ride home they will tell their parents that they want to become a part border patrol when they grow up, and the parents shall be proud.
87325e No.4896516
>>4896500
They will wear white suits trimmed with gold and the logo of the wallkeepers shall be a golden eagle.
51cdcf No.4896527
>>4896483
Texas is SS and proud.
5957fb No.4896539
>>4896516
A golden eagle perched on a wall.
aedcc9 No.4896547
>>4896500
>>4896500
It shall be the pinnacle of civil service
e98aba No.4896548
e98aba No.4896552
>>4896483
You say that now.
51cdcf No.4896556
>>4896500
Checked m8
Texas silent border RWDS
a142e2 No.4896561
>>4896114
>War doesn't boost the economy unless you plunder the nations assets you're warring with.
Not really. If the industrial capacity of another country is destroyed due to war, you can take advantage of the weaker competition to boost your own industry.
51cdcf No.4896569
>>4896548
Jew have to go back
6dd31f No.4896574
>>4895581
>retire on a ranch in the freshly annexed New Texas.
Oh god I almost came reading that..
Lets re-establish the Rio Grande Republic too. Oh god… yes… ah… I need a towel.
b116bf No.4896575
>>4896451
TRUMPENFUHRER SS WHEN
12e792 No.4896599
>>4896451
>in 40 years mexicunts will fabricate a story about how we killed them at the boarder
>mfw second holocaust
5957fb No.4896616
>>4896547
>It shall be the pinnacle of civil service
Just think about how glorious it would be. Children will look up to them. Women will want to have their children. Normal people will want their autographs and thank them for keeping away the spic menace. Movies will be made about the border patrol and portray them as great heroes of our nation.
a1c1db No.4896626
4d00c1 No.4896634
The US literally owns Mexico, there is no need for war when you can just stop the CIA financing/support of the drug cartels which control the Mexican government.
2c0d9b No.4896640
>OPERATING at the border with your bros as the southwestern sun sets
>for once something worth fighting for
>Trump's glorious wall shimmering in the distance as the sun rises the next morning
could there be anything more comfy?
aedcc9 No.4896660
>>4896634
Well this one seems to think otherwise http://cnb.cx/1W5pF5D
6dd31f No.4896664
>>4896640
It actually happening. Also Ron Paul president elect of Republic of Texas. God THIS is internet porn.
5957fb No.4896665
>>4896640
Making love to your qt 3.14 wife with a view of the shimmering border and the sunset and hard day keeping America great?
1bf1d0 No.4896694
>>4896640
i certainly join border patrol and be on top of the wall
4d00c1 No.4896701
>>4896660
They already agreed to the TPP, they're full ZOG property. The only reason they're saying that is because Trump's US doesn't exist yet.
2c0d9b No.4896716
>>4896665
>not making love to your qt 3.14 raifu instead
e37d4e No.4896732
>>4896451
Mexico is our Lebensraum
2b7438 No.4896736
>>4895896
>Can we even consider it a war? If we really wanted to we could have Mexico completely taken over in a week.
That's what we said about Iraq. Don't be a retard.
f6f09a No.4896748
34df2d No.4896755
My friend just text me this
e6c420 No.4896780
>>4896634
>US owns Mexico
I think you meant Israel own Mexico.
Shalom, welcome to Mehiko.
176a42 No.4896793
>>4896732
Nope, we have MANIFEST DESTINY.
a1c1db No.4896800
9a76a0 No.4896837
>>4896500
THEY ARE THE PREY AND WE ARE THE HUNTERS!
831e59 No.4896838
>>4895581
trump's "make them pay" spiel isn't about going into mexico and grabbing king spic's nut's and demanding money – it's a politically charged way of saying that he's going to tariff mexican imports and use the funds to build the wall.
It won't start a war anymore than any other tariff in US history.
b116bf No.4896846
>>4896793
>mfw history classes try to teach that manifest destiny was flawed and bad because "muh natives"
Rules of nature, fucking pussy liberals.
ANNEX MEXICO AND CANADA.
AMERICAN EMPIRE UNDER TRUMP.
6dd31f No.4896866
>>4896790
>>4896755
Oh nice… multiple orgasms
f6883c No.4896875
>>4896114
*cartels are funded by american tax money funneled throug the CIA, remove the kikes financing radicals and proxies and they die along with their violence, all around the world.
fify
>ITT: good goys getting hard at the thought of, yet again, participating in kike wars.
db1525 No.4896876
222327 No.4896887
>>4896866
>multiple orgasms
a1c1db No.4896892
>>4896875
>>ITT: good goys getting hard at the thought of, yet again, participating in kike wars.
Are you a Roman Catholic by any chance?
f6883c No.4897097
>>4896892
No
>le cuck on a stick lol
It's cool though, you're certainly going to make america gr8 again by battling the beaner elite tips fedora
2f7422 No.4897164
>>4895581
I've been supporting the annexation of mexico for years. Canada is too pussified to do anything but bitch, and europe aint gonna stop us. The entire nation would be ours in a month or two.
4701f1 No.4897213
Why the fuck do we even want mexico even the mexicans don't want to live in mexico.
c1a39e No.4897220
>>4895896
Why would we even want it? The only decent spics are the ones that are more Spaniard than Aztec, i.e. the whitest ones. The fuck do we want their shitty territory for? So they can misgencate with our women and gullible men even more?
Nah. Nah m8.
4d00c1 No.4897227
>>4896780
Nope. ZOG is run by the US, which in turn is run by Israel.
94f263 No.4897262
>>4896716
Both
Its the reward for maintaining the lack of wall until the 3rd world hordes are totally Stumped by the great wall of Texas.
721038 No.4897267
>>4897213
They dont want to live there because it's full of mexicans.
We'd need to change that.
176a42 No.4897286
>>4897220
The land would be pretty nice if you just kick the spics out.
ce5252 No.4897288
0c37af No.4897336
>>4895581
>We know that Mexico will not pay for the wall willingly
No, we do not know that. Ex-president making that claim doesn't make it so.
Mexico has literally NO choice in the matter. There will be no military conflict, stop masturbating.
f6f09a No.4897339
>>4896755
all hat no cattle until it's reality
536192 No.4897358
>>4895581
>War with Mexico would be a boost to the economy, as wars frequently are
Broken window fallacy you economically illiterate socialist moron.
94f263 No.4897370
>>4896790
Hells yeah. My friend is super redpilled but fucks worth hoes on snap chat instead of chan.
/pol/ why do we bother with reddit and Tumblr fags? Why not just go for the golden shecklestein goose and RAID HEAVILY on some social media without ubermods??
>>4897288
>>4897286
>>4896599
>>4897267
Checked and sides lulz got damn
94f263 No.4897375
94f263 No.4897386
>>4897358
>implying we werent at war with Mexico in the 90s drug war.
Kek
f6f09a No.4897423
bbe357 No.4897732
>>4895581
I always said the only way to get a wall built is to start a war with the spics.
Trump will need to undo the damage Obama has done to the army, navy, and airforce first though.
Get rid of the whole "gender equality" shit, the "climate change top priority in military decisions", etc.
Rearm the military and fuck things up.
3a7cbf No.4897788
war with mexico would cause a cascade of spic separatism in the U.S.
I think it's a good way forward. If we have to concede a portion of the southwest so be it.
92a54f No.4897813
>>4895581
Would be the stoopidest war ever.
6122e2 No.4897876
>Donald Trump will invade Mexico
Wow you must have rolled a 20 to get that idea.
This is maximum larping
143989 No.4897881
>>4896516
I want to patrol the border wearing a Batman outfit. Mexicans innately fear Batman.
60330f No.4897898
>>4897850
is that the one who married into the jewish elite family?
143989 No.4897933
Or one of those white spandex outfits they wore in the 1970s Buck Rogers TV series. Mexicans naturally fear Buck Rogers.
I shall have a small Mexican child as my sidekick, covered in aluminum foil, who I will name Twiki.
7355ae No.4898010
If there is a second American War, I really hope no American blood will be spilled during this event. I would rather give the illegals have an ultimatum being deported or be trained to fight for the war. This is their chance to make Mexico great again. I would also make this as a test to see what the Mexican people truly are. Here is a chance for repentance for all the raping they done to the US, and what they let Mexico become. Fight for their own liberation, and die with honor.
e09110 No.4898193
It's time to fight for God-Emperor Trump. We'll fight the beaners all the way back to the Eye of Terror and build our great wall.
94bd5f No.4898244
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223807 No.4898527
>>4897788
>conceding any territory
>not purging all spics from the land and seizing all for lebensraum
Bro, do you even 1488?
b6275e No.4898998
>>4895581
Mexico is more valuable to America than you know. While it is true that the Mexican armed forces exist basically for internal conflicts, you have no idea what you are talking about. Open hostilities? Instant crime to the international community. Do you even diplomacy?
Your poorly imagined scenario doesn't consider all the other countries in the world, and the stakes that come into play. All the Bolivarian countries in Latin America would surely help the Mexican side. So would the Chinese and the Russians. And ISIS and Al-Quaeda (the rouge branches). The drug trade would easily be seized from America. You'd have to control the Hispanic population within the US. And for the first time ever, America would have to deal with massive civilian losses ON ITS TURF.
Americans think they know war because they see it in movies. In Mexico everyone has a relative that was horribly killed. Little kids joke about skinning people alive, and actually dream of becoming like "El Chapo". The average Mexican civilian has become insensitive to violence, even up close. Not even the women are afraid to die.
All things considered, it is WAY more than America can chew at once. It is not economically feasible, and it's never gonna happen. You bunch of greedy racist wankers. It's almost cute how ignorant you are.
6d9ff5 No.4899237
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
SPREAD THIS DOCO EVERYWHERE
Its 1/2 branded: VICE, but the doco is excellent! And the cucks might take it seriously because "its VICE".
c865ea No.4899369
>>4896897
>vacation in fucking kidnapper cocainland
jesus fuck no
d969cf No.4899379
>>4898998
> All the Bolivarian countries in Latin America would surely help the Mexican side.
Nah every other latin american country literally hates the shit out of Mexico, they can fuck themselves.
t. Cuban/Brazilian double nigger.
c865ea No.4899381
>>4898998
>Instant crime to the international
>implying we and russia don't control global politics
>implying Putin wouldn't help based Trump
29073a No.4899469
>>4898998
Your drug money backed surplus AKs are nothing to the greatest war machine mankind has ever known. I will thoroughly enjoy purging your misbegotten kind.
c865ea No.4899505
>>4896500
>Attack_On_Mexico.webm
2f8a6f No.4899522
>>4896897
>Mark Cuban
He has no ties with Cuba. I'm going to have to ask you to not keep repeating this attention-shifting ploy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cuban
>He grew up in the affluent suburb of Mount Lebanon, in a Jewish[12] working-class family. His paternal grandfather changed the family name from "Chabenisky" to "Cuban" after his family emigrated from Russia through Ellis Island.[13][14] His maternal grandparents were also Jews who came from Romania.[15]
17317e No.4899690
>>4898193
>second pic
That's some nice diversity the Empire of Man has going on there.
c850eb No.4899735
>>4896793
>>4896800 (witnessed)
>>4896846
MANIFEST DESTINY
WHITE AMERICA FROM SEA TO SEA, POLE TO POLE
999ec4 No.4899752
>>4898998
>the replies to this post
Jesus this place resembles cuckchan more and more every day
Also that bait in the first place was pretty cuckchan-tier. You were essentially correct for your first two paragraphs except for the idea that those problems make this unfeasible. What they do is make this idea inefficient and masturbatory. But the way you talked up the general population as if they're a bunch of unstoppable Taco Knights was just retarded.
You were using reverse psychology basically to get retards to go along with OP's even more retarded initial premise, and it actually fucking worked. That's what pisses me off more than your post itself.
dc0046 No.4899754
>>4896838
Which have started some pretty fucking hard wars…
dc0046 No.4899756
>>4896846
>>4899735
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!
d969cf No.4899769
>>4899752
>implying Mexicans don't truly believe that shit
You have clearly never met a Mexican, I envy you.
9795d4 No.4899792
>>4898998
I wouldn't take this thread too seriously. It's pretty obvious that the jews and cucks are trying to divide us while the American election is really getting started. They'll get the rope soon enough.
c850eb No.4899802
>>4899792
I just want America white again. No Jews, so illegals, etc.
c77990 No.4899806
>>4895581
>We know that Mexico will not pay for the wall willingly
Stopped reading there since they have no choice in reality.
999ec4 No.4899821
>>4899769
I work in a part of my local area that is 60+ percent Mexican. They are tiny peasants for the most part. Plenty of them are tough but how willing they are to use violence isn't really a factor when you pit them against a modern Western military force.
c77990 No.4899853
>>4899806
Let's say we need $200 to build a lock on our door since our neighbor keeps breaking in and using the internet and raiding our fridge. We donate $4000 to our neighbor each month because (various complex reasons).
>hey neighbor, I need this lock, and I need you to pay for it
>no
>ok I'm only going to give you $3800 next month
>fuck you
>k. Can you mow your lawn tomorrow too? It's getting out of hand.
>you racist fuck!
>k. anyway, brb, going to home depot.
5ef164 No.4899892
>>4897788
>spic separatism
You'll be dealing with two groups of spics in that case:
A) Spics living in America that honestly call themselves American and put their loyalty to their new country rather than their old, in which case they'll at most be mildly butthurt
B) Spics who are more loyal to spicstanbul rather than America in which case you'd want to treat them as infiltrators and traitors, because that's what they are
Along with libtards and kikes that would take the side of the spics for their own motives and mental insanity
IT WOULD BE A TEST OF LOYALTY AT ITS FINEST
t. not even american and I'd join Trump against Mexico
0b1ade No.4899940
Daily reminder: Jade Helm was a warning to Mexico, if they don't get their shit together fast– they're totally fucked. They're the Turks of the Americas.
999ec4 No.4899943
>>4899892
Generally any mestizos are garbage. They aren't nigger-tier because they are not as prone to random violence. But they are really fucking stupid.
0b1ade No.4899974
>>4899943
Nigger violence isn't random, it's premeditated.
820dd4 No.4899977
>>4899892
If it was war with Mexico, you'd be garnering the support of several of their southern neighbors, who would see it as well "A Test of Loyalty.", one which they can see themselves passing.
a082c1 No.4899980
>>4896616
>Just think about how glorious it would be. Children will look up to them. Women will want to have their children. Normal people will want their autographs and thank them for keeping away the spic menace. Movies will be made about the border patrol and portray them as great heroes of our nation.
Yeah just like the regular police.
999ec4 No.4899991
>>4899974
Spontaneous would've been a better word. And premeditated definitely wouldn't be an ideal descriptor because it implies some level of cognition which is basically absent in your average negro.
9cb84a No.4899994
>Mexico actually thinks they won't pay for the wall
You're gonna get it now, spics.
You could've prevented it from happening.
5ef164 No.4900029
>>4899977
>one which they can see themselves passing
>they start getting uppity but forget they're a country of racemixed abortions against the US
>end up losing without the option of laying low afterwards
I fail to see how that's an issue, anon. You know how alphabet agencies are, now imagine that instead of being the enemy, in Trump's reign they start working entirely against these people without corruption and kikery.
a082c1 No.4900052
0b1ade No.4900118
>>4899991
Never underestimate your enemies' capacity for organized violence nor their ability to make schemes, no matter how stupid the schemes may seem to you. The elegance of a scheme doesn't determine the existence of one.
Remember, they make trillions simply by threatening "civil unrest" if payments aren't made. They have burnt down nearly ever other America city(over a hundred now) in less than half a century and continue to do so. Listen to some of their speeches, and it will become quite clear their intent.
If these savages are stupid as you say, then we must be idiots. You view them more akin to a natural disaster, you really just want to ignore their deadly agency and the responsibility they have for their crimes, because if you did recognize it, the solution to such a criminal insurgency would become quite obvious.
2a6d79 No.4900167
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>>4895581
>war boosts the economy
Fuck off.
HISTORY EDUCATION TIME!
Did you know that Congress and the president (James K. Polk) voted on and agreed to picture related as the border for the United States at the end of the Mexican-American War?
The person sent to negotiate, Nicolas Trist, committed treason and signed the treaty for far less land. He was recalled and a replacement was sent, but the document had already been signed. When he returned to Washington, he was fired.
1. The treaty should have been shredded and rewritten.
2. Trist should have been hanged for treason.
Did you know that the US did not annex the Yucatan peninsula due to the testimony of ONE MAN? He came to Congress, LIED ABOUT THE SITUATION, and the Yucatan representative was unable to telegraph home for the data he needed to disprove him before the vote.
http://www.theyucatantimes.com/2015/07/yucatan-usa/
Did you know that Cuba was not directly annexed by the USA at the end of the Spanish-American War thanks to the Teller Amendment, which began the island on a 100 year path toward ruin and destitution? Teller was an Indio softie, remember.
In short:
THESE ARE OUR LANDS. WE MUST RECLAIM THEM.
2a6d79 No.4900169
Autofill keeping my sages in place is nice, until I forget they’re there.
69e297 No.4900230
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>>4896755
Oh Texas, you're so cute.
2a6d79 No.4900282
>>4900230
>implying they won’t be expelled or slaughtered
Texas won’t secede, though. We’ll get a president worth remaining before it would happen.
652e14 No.4900366
372783 No.4900453
a5e367 No.4900513
Honestly I want to contact Trump and tell him of my alternate plan for the wall.
Instead of Mexico paying for it, offer to buy the northern Mexican states, plus Baha California Sur. These are the states with the highest Mexican white populations, are sparsely populated anyway, and full of arable land currently used for cotton production.
THEN build the wall over our newly shortened border. The border would now be half the length it is now and much easier to patrol, we expand US soil for the first time in a century, we can crush the cartels by actively using the might of the US military on our new soil, and all illegals currently in the US can be regarded as members of the new territories. Spin it to liberals that they're now allowed to stay, except now we have an excuse to document all of them, prevent them from voting (ask Puerto Rico how well voting goes in territories), taxing them properly, and keeping them imprisoned when they act up.
820dd4 No.4900634
>>4900029
I'll have too call "to good to be true." until Trump wins and changes said soups
fc8328 No.4900693
>>4896664
You mean
>ron paul secretary of the treasury
>Trey Gowdy top of judicial system(I cannot remember the name for the life of me Goddamn)
>General Mattis vice pres
c4ebfc No.4900837
>>4897262
In our pussified world, brute strength has become severely underrated.
Kicks like that can be devastating if the intended target stays within the trajectory but you're blind while you're doing it and it takes almost a second to complete.
Women who see that and think they just have to take a self-defence class and they'll be okay are just setting themselves up to be raped by a pack of niggers. There is a reason why weight classes exist in martial arts.
48a609 No.4900998
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>4896846
>Rules of nature, fucking pussy liberals.
>Rules of nature
RULES OF NATURE
e44b69 No.4901133
>>4895581
I live in an area of where it is majority spic.
Make no fucking mistake that the beaners hate you.
Sure they might smile at you, girls might flirt with you, but it is all a sham.
They have the same hive-minded loyalty to their own that niggers do and will make every excuse known under the sun to defend their own.
If Whites could have a majority racial loyalty that the shit-skins do we would be unstoppable!
The thing is spics are slightly more cunning and intelligent than niggers.
>MFW
Having to sleep with an AR-15 and handgun next to you at all times because the spic/heroin epidemic is rampant and they'll do anything for a fix. Constant robberies… and this is a rural area mostly farming/ranching.
This very day some neck tattooed cholo and his junkie slut tried rattling my screen door and took off running when they heard the clickity clack of a round being chambered.
"White motherfucker puta" as they ran.
8b3e7e No.4914465
won't work. Mexican people are way too "fuck you federal government I do what i want" to put up with our nanny state shit.
5ebeea No.4915960
>>4896732
>Mexico is our Lebensraum
You have to breed to Lebensraum Anon. Now meme it.
0a2832 No.4916232
>North American Federation when?
0a2832 No.4916256
>>4901133
>now they know you have a gun
>wait til you leave
>break in
>steal guns
>use it in a robbery
>kill the clerk
>progcucks use story to cry for more gun control
Next time, shoot them and bury them out back. No one is going to question a few lone rounds at night. No one is going to ask why you are digging a new trench line on your farm. No one is going to miss two heroin cholo.
6c2d1a No.4916805
>>4898998
>All the Bolivarian countries in Latin America would surely help the Mexican side.
From Sea to Shining Sea, From Pole to Shining Pole. Take it all from them.
>So would the Chinese and the Russians.
"Fuck off or we nuke you. Yes we're serious."
> And ISIS and Al-Quaeda
See above.
> In Mexico everyone has a relative that was horribly killed. Little kids joke about skinning people alive, and actually dream of becoming like "El Chapo". The average Mexican civilian has become insensitive to violence, even up close. Not even the women are afraid to die.
Good, it makes killing them all and taking their land they've done nothing with all the easier.
>You bunch of greedy racist wankers.
Well fuck, you called me a racist, guess I lost and you can fuck back off to leftypol.
e44b69 No.4919717
>>4916256
Someone else armed is always here :D
Good old gramps doesn't get out much but still plinks out back.
Never understood how druggy fucks assume no one is armed.
drugs of course befuddle them and they always underestimate the enemy or victim
d21748 No.4920796
>>4896114
>Cartels are funded by drug money. Remove the drug money and they die along with their violence.
And you remove the drug money by starting a drug war, not declaring one then never bothering to do anything about it.
Demand drives supply. Drug policy in the West for decades has never even attempted to stop demand. Users are barely punished at all, even in the USA. It's very rare for anyone to go to jail just for drug use. There needs to be a real drug war with real penalties for people that engage in drug dealing or use.
Kill the demand and you kill the supply. Drug traffickers should also be put to death.
5ffd15 No.4920945
>We know that Mexico will not pay for the wall willingly, and we know that there's a high likelihood of cartel violence spilling over into the states in the near future.
It already does spill over, cartels are active in most border towns and throughout the southwest, or if not them various gangs who are directly affiliated.