/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

So does this mean I need to convert all of my currency to gold, silver, and lead?

>banks start negative rates

>people take all their money out and hoard it in a sock or under the bed instead

>nothing changes, besides kikes everywhere going on suicide watch

yes please let it happen

No bailouts,

WE'RE GOYIN ALL IN

WITH THE BAIL-INS

CRASH THIS ECONOMY

WITH NO SURVIVORS

Anyone who is surprised by this should be more surprised that they've been completely oblivious and ignorant of reality.

>>4907097

They were supposed to be raising interest rates. I was looking forward to deflation, but I guess we have to holocaust all of the kikes to have our money actually be worth something.

>>4906914

>implying pieces of cloth have value

>implying they’ll be worth FUCK ALL when hyperinflation hits

Educate yourself, you sack of shit.

What are you supposed to do with money when there are negative interest rates?

>>4907290

>implying you have any money

>implying those pieces of cloth are money

>implying there is anything to do excepts buy ammo

>>4907290

You can either keep it in the bank and accept that the jews are stealing your money. Or you can take it all out and put it in a safe or under your mattress.

>>4907290

Put it in a safe or buy physical goods.

Where should I put my money?

>>4907257

Again, if you actually thought they were going to continue raising interest rates, you were ignorant of reality.

We'll never seen deflation in this country, deflation would completely destroy a fiat monetary system.

>>4907332

anywhere that isn't a bank

buy:

bullets

silver/gold

guns

These will all hold value and are great and practical ways to keep your shekels nose-free

>>4907290

You go cash and hard assets. Before NIRP gets implemented, you'll see ever increasing penalties on withdrawing money from banks as cash. Ideally they would just ban all cash, but since that is practically impossible in this country, they'll just restrict withdrawals to minimum amounts and apply stiff penalties for larger amounts.

All they can do now is literally steal people's money.

Now, will this influence credit unions as well?

>>4907402

Yes.

>>4907402

yes, they are in the same system, and they still have to compete with the interest rates available in the market

>>4907332

Amazon gift cards

>>4906877

I imagine that wouldn't be a bad idea.

>>4907257

> to be raising interest rates.

so they can drop them in a few months due to the economy imploding

What does this mean exactly? From what I understand, banks will charge you for holding your money instead of paying interest. This is supposed to make people spend more instead of saving their shekels?

So confused pls respond anons.

>>4906622

How would negative interest rates even work?

How would negative interest rates even be legal?

Isn't that exactly how you create another running of the banks?

>>4908074

they are holding the economy hostage in case their puppets lose the election. They will try to crash our economy and fuck off to Russia .

>>4907290

They want people to take the cash and buy stock or bonds or to purchase things with it. Basically. Because just keeping it as cash will make you no money. Or you'll even be losing money.

>>4908074

ok, say you get a $100 loan at 10% interest.

You need to pay back, $110.

Now say you get that same $100 loan at -10% interest.

You only need to pay back $90, and you keep $10.

>>4908115

New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland and Canada, actually.

>>4908074

Lmao im crine!! 😂😂😂 Get this goy TF out my face

You should be paying us anyway Shlohmo lmaoooo. 🙏🙏💵🔝🔯🔯

>>4908151

I understand that. That wasn't the question.

That's a loan, not a bank account.

From just what I see instead of 'earning' .01% every month I'll start losing n% per month.

>>4908151

So this is anti-Jewing?

>>4907899

They're getting desperate now. How long this can continue who knows. If technological advances fast and makes the economy more efficient things might still hold together. All the dirty businesses and economic vultures should have been allowed to go out of business years ago but they're all in bed with the federal reserve. Because the federal reserve isn't part of the government. It's a private banking cartel.

>>4908174

>goy

>Schlomo

Someone is new. Pick one.

>>4908074

The idea behind negative interest rates is that $100k now is worth less than $100k in the future. Banks take a risk and say "We think that $100k now is worth more than $100k in the future".

That's what most lending is about, deep down. "My home is worth less than the total amount I'd spend on it".

With negative interest rates, you'll see the savings rate drop, if there was anything there to begin with. You'll also see more investment in businesses and such.

To take >>4908151 as an example:

You borrow $100 at -1%, you have to pay back $99. Today that $100 can buy you 100 loafs of bread. In 1 year that $99 can but you 90 loafs of bread. In this case you lost. If, however, that $99 you pay back can buy you 101 loafs of Bread, you win. Lets say you turn that $100 into $1000, you win some more.

The central bank is betting that it'll make more "value for money" on the loss of a number based on inflation whilst the borrower will be better that they can make more value than it takes to actually repay the loan.

>>4908186

When you put money in the bank you are giving the bank a loan, that is why you typically pay very little or nothing for their service.

>>4908218

AH FUCK I GOT IT THE WRONG WAY ROUND.

If you can buy 101 loafs with that $99 then you win. If you can only buy 90 then the bank wins.

>>4908151

that's not at all what this is.

You have 100€ in a bank account with 2% interest rate, next year you will have 102€.

you have 100€ in a bank account with -2% interest rate, next year you will have 98€.

It forces instant consumerism, whch "boost the economy".

That would kill the value of the dollar. The only thing keeping it from collapse was the idiotic hope that the fed can back out of the last 7 years of stupid monetary policy. It can't. Peter Schiff was right again.

>>4908218

…

From what I understand;

If I borrow $100 today and buy 100 loaves of bread today. I will then pay back $99. That $99 will buy 101 loaves of bread.

Isn't this speculation good for the economy?

It seems like it would be used to kill off artificial inflation.

>>4907257

Wait did they actually ever raise interest rates? I know they were talking about it in December and then were going to raise it again or something?

>>>4907233

Pretty interesting seeing /pol/ post pics against the Austrian school of economics, seeing how all the economic theories about the business cycle that /pol/ believes comes from them.

Also, Keynesianism was rampant from 1980 to now, central bankers are constantly using keynesian terms and apply keynesian theory.

>>4908294

/pol/ is anti-libertardian because libertardians are by and large free trade globalists.

Lolbertarian here, this is what we have been warning you assholes about for ages, this is the logical conclusion to engineered economies. This is just to boost consumption and is a desperate measure to temporarily boost GDP while screwing over future economic prosperity by discouraging saving. Its saving which produces long term economic gains but they come at the expense of short term gains, because der Juden such as Yellen who run the federal reserve are likely to be moved on after the election they are fucking over the next person in order to make their performance look better (kind of like how a politician will borrow and spend a ton of money, leaving the loan to be paid back by the next guy who has to cut spending to do it and looks bad because of it).

Now, the only things which will hold value in NIRP are hard assets with intrinsic value

>gold

>silver

>guns

>ammo

Part of NIRP is that inflation is so high that banks cant offer high enough interest on deposits to cover inflation, so keeping a pile of money under the bed isn't going to work.

For instance, if inflation is 1% per year, and the bank can only offer you 0.5% on your deposit, then the effective interest rate on the deposit is -0.5%. Storing a pile of money under the bed has an effective interest rate of -1%.

Stocks in general aren't a solid investment and are artificially inflated due to Quantitative Easing (basically the government prints shitloads of money and uses it to purchase stocks to pump up the value of the market). Just look at the stock prices of LinkedIn (which fell by 46% on Friday, losing the company over $11B worth of value) and Twitter (which is in death spiral mode), both of these companies had greatly inflated value and when people realized this their stocks tanked, basically the entire stock market is like this and its kind of like the emperor having no clothes.

>>4908316

They're also the only ones who understand economics.

>>4908316

by and large communists say the sky is blue.

Just because you disagree with their solutions doesn't change the basic facts about the problems and situations.

>>4908338

>>gold

>>silver

>intrinsic value

joj

>>4908338

So the free market didn't fix it?

I mean, the banks operate under the same rules, right ;) they are just that much better at it

>>4908253

>>4908271

I got the result the wrong way round.

If you borrow $100 now, and pay back $99, you're better than the then is worth more than the $100 now.

Let's peg this against a widget which is worth $1 now, which isn't effected by market forces:

You borrow 100 now, you buy 100 Widgets, you sell than at 100, you pay back the bank 99. You win because there is no inflation or deflation.

You borrow 100 now, you buy 100 widgets. You sell then and get 90 back. You lose, because each widget is now worth $0.9 due to deflation.

You borrow 100, you buy 100 widgets. You sell them and get back 110. You win because each one is now worth 1.1 each.

The central bank is betting on deflation here.

>>4908198

I did it to confuse the goy

Now if you'll excuse me in gonna sit like an effendi and eat some doritos

>>4908346

>>4908349

And now the libertardians will come out of the woodworks to defend their own, and rationalize free trade and open borders as being somehow not globalist and more of the same anti-nationalist shit.

>>4908362

>So the free market didn't fix it?

There hasn't existed a free market economy anywhere in the world since the creation of the US Federal Reserve in 1914

The last time we were close to a free market was in the 20s, then the government stuck their dick into it and we got the great depression.

>>4908362

>government mandated rates

>affirmative action loans

>etc etc

There is no free market here. You have a reverse protectionist socialist system.

>>4908395

You're an idiot if you think libertarians are all for the current situation.

Libertarians are all for the right to discriminate, the right to be racist.

Libertarians are also against centrally managed money, central banks. Those are the ultimate jews. Andrew Jackson was right all along.

>>4907233

I've got a question. Say there are investors that want to put $100k into helping start-up a company. Does the investor come from a bank or something? Since the bank takes in 10$ and gets to create $90 from the $10, they give it to someone within the bank to invest? Or are most investors genuine rich people that already have the money and just want to invest in the company?

Where does most investment go to from banks? Probably diversified %'s like land, stock, physical assets?

That's also the dumbest idea, money sprouting from a simple deposit. (engineer, I don't like economics)

>>4906622

IF YOU DON'T BUY SILVER YOUR INSANE AS FUCK.

>>4908395

Libertarian Nationalists wouldn't, tariffs and borders are absolutely critical to a nation.

>>4908422

You forgot the biggest one

>bailouts

Its the promise of bailouts which really fuck things over, it destroys investor confidence, encourages extremely risky ventures, and creates an environment where its hard for small businesses to grow because the larger ones can pull jewish as fuck tactics like selling goods and services at a loss because they know they are going to get bailed out.

>>4908362

Do you actually believe we have a free market?

>>4908477

Deflation is typically good for people who aren't in debt, bad for government. So we have inflation.

>>4908480

The fewer tariffs a country has the better off it is.

If there are two countries, one limits it's imports with tariffs and the other doesn't the citizens of the one that does not will live better lives with cheaper products and any talk about employment and shit is just keynesian mercantilist crap that results in income inequality and dickensian conditions.

>>4908498

So people who are in debt are screwed because the value of the dollar is higher and they have to pay more?

>>4908477

If you owe money on say a mortgage, say 100k, and money deflates, the amount of money owed becomes more difficult to pay because although the value of the currency increases, the loan amount is fixed.

For a government that owes a gorillion dollars. even servicing the interest on debt in a deflationary system becomes impossible. Deflation is the Achilles Heel of fiat money.

>>4906622

If ZERO interest rates and trillions in "stimulus" don't work for a fucking decade, then obviously the next course is action is to DOUBLE, TRIPLE THE FUCK DOWN.

>mfw when collapse is at hand all the FED can do is just print more money

Weimar germany anyone?

Also

>tfw zerohedge has been right

>tfw the memes have made it reality

We truly live in the golden age of memes

>>4908505

To be fair, while I for the most part agree, in the past most people were producing food rather than goods so a lowering of tariffs didn't have such a massive impact on jobs

>>4908484

ah of course, how could I forget. How can capitalism possibly exist when you pay people to lose?

>>4908514

yes

>>4908498

>>4908477

>>4907899

They are waging a war on savings.

These psychopaths want to destroy the middle class's savings with inflation and negative interest rates to get them to "spend" artificially to "stimulate" the economy.

Obviously this relates back to the broken window fallacy and we all know that true growth in the economy comes from savings and investment, not debt and forcing people to artificially spend.

We /Greece/ now

Is this only gonna fuck the USA or the rest too?

>>4908543

>Weimar germany anyone?

>>4908573

>We /Greece/ now

Its going to be more like Zimbabwe when this all comes crashing down, the only reason why its being held up is because the USD is the defacto world currency so the US can kind of export its inflation. Most USD are actually outside of the US and when people realize its worthless its going to trigger a panic and come flooding back.

>>4908414

Lmao, the government is allowed to take part in the free market. They can choose who gets their money.

>>4908609

Pretty much true but deflation typically does less damage as inflation. The real answer though is you don't want much of either, which is why I advocate stable currencies.

>>4906622

It will be negative interest rates and QE4. Gold will sell off, and I'm probably buying about 80k worth of it when it does.

>>4908622

zambuh-hwut now? Do you mean Rhodesia?

Just ordered 10oz of silver, should I order more?

>>4908617

Some countries already have negative interest rates, some for years. The Bank of Japan just adopted a policy of NIR a few weeks ago.

Japan now has -0.1%

Sweden is sitting at -0.35%

Switzerland is sitting at -0.75%

Sweden and Switzerland have been at NIR for several years from memory.

>>4908672

The real question is when will gold dip low and will it be lower than the past few weeks. We all know its going to climb over the next year

>>4908383

This is tolerable banking, as long as the scope remains limited.

>>4908701

When they do negative interest rates and QE4 the FED will combine this with continued printing of naked short futures contracts to smash the price of gold.

It will be back in the 1000's before its in the 1300's, imo. (or rather, it will fall substantially before it explodes… when it explodes it will break new highs).

>>4908684

You wont be joking when you see Obamas face on the $10T note

>>4907233

> implying fractional reserve lending isn't the problem.

>>4908505

>The fewer tariffs a country has the better off it is.

Proving once more that libertardians are anti-nationalist, one-dimensional autists.

>>4908480

>Libertarian Nationalists

They barely exist.

>>4906622

>Negative interest rates in the U.S. may seem like a far-fetched idea, but the Federal Reserve is telling banks to prepare, just in case."

BITCOIN WILL NEVER WORK, IT'S A DEFLATIONARY CURRENCY!

USA, CANADA, JAPAN ADOPT NEGATIVE INTEREST RATE! IT WILL WORK! JUST LIKE BITCOIN!

The audacity of these kikes gets me every time.

>>4908741

And why wouldn't there be secession/coups long before that happens?

>>4908689

>10oz

That's pittance, anon. Get at least 100oz. Pick a ratio and save up to buy gold later as well. Have at least 10k rounds for the rifle platform of your community's choice and have at least two rifles in your personal ownership of that platform.

I'd recommend an AK in 7.62x39 over an AR, personally.

>>4908802

>>4908689

Also, get at least forty 30-round mags for the rifles.

>>4907402

the negative interest rates are the rates that banks borrow money from the fed

>>4907402

the negative interest rates are the rates that banks borrow money from the fed

>>4907899

It won't have much effect on savings accounts seeing as how low they are already, it just means fed is paying banks to loan money meaning hyperinflation becomes much more likely.

>>4908802

I'm a broke student, I only have >$1000 to spend on a rifle and precious metals so I figure some is better than none. I was planning on buying a glock this upcoming weekend, should I go with a rifle instead?

>>4908995

Depending upon carry laws where you are, a handgun is far more versatile for self-defense.

A rifle is better for survival situations.

>>4908995

As someone braver than I once said.

"A pistol is -only- good for fighting your way back to the rifle you -shouldn't have- set down in the first place."

Keep that in mind.

recession confirmed

it'll probably be the one. no more tricks left, time for the fireworks.

>>4908767

Yes, we're a rare breed at the moment.

>>4908498

This. IF U RETARDS DON'T BUY SILVER YOUR RETARDED.

>>4908186

>>4908253

This doesn't apply to them, this is the Federal Reserve Interest rate. It's not your local bank's accounts.

The MOMENT they did this locally, there would be a run on the banks.

>>4909150

How do I buy physical silver and how do I trade with it when society goes in a depression? I think food and water would be worth more than metal.

>>4909150

Don't you have some penny stock forums to be shilling?

>>4908780

bitcoin doesn't work because of the counterparty risk, and I'm not going to spell it out because if you stopped believing in it like a fucking religion, it'd be patently obvious. I don't care that you mined 10,000 buttcoins back in 2011 and you want to see a return on your investment. Stop shilling your crypto-bullshit, I'm never going to spend money on reddit nerds' hopes and dreams when I could spend it on actual physical goods.

Physical ownership of metals and ammunition doesn't have counterparty risk.

>>4909216

Why don't you already have food stocks in case of natural disaster?

These are preparations for dollar disasters, it doesn't mean don't prep for other occurrences.

>>4909233

Owning some gold, silver and platinum isn't a terrible idea, but it's far better to own land and have stored goods, especially arms and ammunition.

Then work on your community ties, a strong community is much more likely to repulse any attacks.

>>4908573

>implying the middle class has any savings left after the last crisis

It's going to be a fun ride.

>>4907290

Spend it, on anything, including securities. That's the entire point of lowering interest rates.

Thanks to inflation and that fact that savings-account interest rates are already basically zero (definitely less than 1%), this is really pretty much already the case–real interest rates are already solidly negative on cash deposits.

>>4906877

I call it the 3 Bs of monetary apocalypse investing:

Bullets

Beans

Bullion

…in that order.

>>4908622

>Its going to be more like Zimbabwe

No it won't, there aren't enough niggers where I live

Why does /pol/ have to be so god damned right on everything?

1 year ago, 6 months ago people were saying 'its never going to happen, everythings fine, thats a conspiracy. Negative interest rates will never happen

Yet here we are, the dawn of the Trump age.

>>4909422

I planned on going to a gun show in 2 weeks, at which point I'll have around $1500 for firearm/ammo and any other essential happening gear, is that enough time?

>>4909507

Government is now punishing you for trying to save money, better spend it as soon as you get it goy

>>4909507

Thanks for the fat beatz, Mr. Skeltal!

>>4909507

Negative rates means you want cash instead of money in a bank account.

Everyone will do this, creating a bank run as people pull their money out.

The banks will create rules to stop this, like what happened in Greece (maximum 20 euros a day withdrawals)

It penalizes savers, and will cause the stock market to go up since the gov wants to ban cash too, so you put the money into stocks in the hopes they have positive interest.

Big banks, however, get free money from the central bank (Fed) and that means CEOs can give themselves even BIGGER bonuses, and stock buybacks can continue.

It's free money to the wealthiest while everyone else gets fucked.

>>4909588

Negative rates don't affect consumer banks, only the rate that banks borrow from the central bank.

>>4909537

>>4909588

So they actually fucking are going to take interest out of your account instead of putting interest into it?

Is this at least good for us on loans? As in, does the amount you owe on a loan now go down over time instead of going up like on a traditional positive interest rate? Or does the NIRP not apply to loans?

>>4909150

Alex Jones/Rob Dew please go

Also, tell me genius how are you going to utilise your disproportionately useless metal, especially without the devices or weapons/systems to protect you, in an environment where you will be pissing yourself every minute crawling around on the ground looking for scraps of nutrition?

>I'll just trade it to my wastey buddies who aren't going to gank me asap

>I'll just make super silver slurpies and live healthily in the desolate irradiated remains of my country

No what's going to happen guy, is when you are finally confronted with the reality of how fucking terrible things have become you are going to run to the nearest sharp object and an hero, like a child fleeing to it's mother. Just like most of you ignorant fools, who like to tell other people on the internet how to prepare for utter HELL ON EARTH. There is no preparation, faggots.

Erroneous masses of the likes of you shall perish in times of trial, and the more you act like none of this was your responsibility the faster and surer Thanatos' wrath will come.

>>4906701

>that YOU believe

No, what gives one more value is the COLLECTIVE belief that one has more value than the other

>>4907332

Ramen Noodles.

You'll laugh as the gold hoarders around you starve.

>>4906622

Also didnt they JUST RAISE interest rates a few months back?

So why the flip? I mean we knew they were out of tricks, and raising rates was suicide… but now they're flat out going back on their raise and not just going back to zero, but going into the fucking negatives?

>>4909588

The interest rates for you savings account are not going to be negative, this is just the rates for banks borrowing from the fed.

If inflation hits the money under your mattress is just as worthless as the money in your bank account. Greece only plundered bank accounts because they couldn't inflate the currency without Germany's permission and Germany wasn't going to inflate Euros just to shrink Greek debt.

>>4909618

>the rate that banks borrow from the central bank.

Which does affect your interactions with consumer banks, albeit not directly.

>>4909504

Nothing will happen in 2 weeks. Shit wont get really bad in less than a year.

IMO get an AR15 and/or a Baretta 92FS

$1500 will get you both and some ammo and accessories.

These are the civilian versions of military guns. Most of the parts, including magazines and ammo are interchangeable with the military version.

>>4908995

You can get a pump shotgun for about $200. That will give you 300 yard accuracy with slugs.

So just don't put your money in the banks

>>4909622

Dude for real?

You think a ki I mean a friendly banker is going to lend you money, and over time the amount you owe would get less. So they pay you to take a loan? Really?

>>4907233

>>4907233

Hows that our problem? We'll withdraw our money anyway, and the Jews will go bankrupt, and massive depression will start, and then the race war will start. It's a good thing.

>>4909816

A pump shotgun.

A Lanes hand reloader.

http://lanesreloading.com/12Gauge.html

Powder, and shot.

Cheapest, and most efficient way to go.

>inb4 "everyone needs 3d printing gun"

>>4909216

If you have thousands of dollars in stock, bond, or cash like most people your not going to protect your wealth by purchasing storable food. The whole world isn't going to collapse overnight, there will be a period where people pour money into precious metals to escape inflation.

>>4909233

Fuck you bitch. I'm the greatest invest of all times. I made %5,000 in 3 days with dogecoins and %500 in 3 years with silver. Who are you?

>>4909624

Don't be a retard. Its not going to be the end of times.. You will still be able to sell your silver.

>>4909622

It has nothing to do with your bank account.

Because the Banks are getting loans for less money any new fixed interest loans will have lower (but not negative) rates. Variable interest loans may go down in rate slightly.

>>4910192

Have you ever tried to shoot something at 300 yards?

>>4909624

Forgot to mention were not all going to starve you moron. We so much corn we are using it for fuel..

Also there are ways to prepare even if the farmers stop farming dude. My family and I would bug out to Canada and eat squirrels, fish, deer, and elk if shit got that bad..

>>4908282

>Wait did they actually ever raise interest rates?

Yes, they actually did

wasn't by much though

>>4909504

>>4909748

You can do this, just make sure to look around your local gun clubs first. Whatever they're shooting the most is the kind of rifle that'll have the most ammunition locally.

>>4910192

Also avoid .22's, didn't know the shortage was still going on.

The fuck is up with the shortage? Only one manufacturer, or are they hoarding it to pump the price?

>>4910099

But did you buy Activision when it was still on Atari?

speaking of tech though, y'all could also see what type of machinery or power equipment is made or repaired locally, and get the metals involved with that.

It'd definitely come in handy more than silver and gold, unless we manage to keep the power on during the collapse.

>>4908479

agree.

anons, buy silver

buy gold

buy guns

buy land

if you own no land you are a peasant.

>>4910549

>The fuck is up with the shortage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

>>4910192

>can't conceal it

in SHTF there are no policies about sawing things down m8y

>>4909258

You should have at least some in reserve, you shouldn't go all in on just one backup. For instance if you want to keep your internet connection, you wouldn't be able to pay for it in gold that easily. It would be easier to convert the bitcoins to dollars and in the moment make a transaction.

Gold and ammunition is good for a everything goes to shit and the internet is down situation. While reserve bitcoins would be good in a dollar is inflating fast, but you need something that you can liquidate quickly.

>>4909618

It'll be a chain reaction. Fed goes zirp on the banks, and the banks will charge their customers to hold money at the bank.

>>4910549

Haha I was only 5 years old back then, but na ik im not that great I just have good luck.

And good idea man, silver is just something easy to dip your toes into but there are a lot better ideas. I'm also going to be gardening on the 7 acres my family has. You'd be surprised how productive a moderate size area can be if you do companion planting and have a good design. Last year I got hundreds of pounds of tomatoes, peppers, onions, turnips, greens, and melons out of a 30ft by 30ft area. When shit hits the fan the nigs will be too stupid to steal your garden. They won't even realize its food lol.

>>4908074

Instead of earning interest on a bank deposits, you are charged for cash in banks, encouraging spending to keep currency circulating, even though there is nothing worth buying or investing in.

The next step is to make ownership of gold and silver illegal, basically anything that can store value without requiring speculative trading and investing has to be made illegal.

The final step is cashless society, where no one may buy or sell unless he has the mark of the beast.

>>4909408

this/10

Lets dispel with this fiction that savings accounts generate money as an investment. Savings accounts are 100% complicit goys that love being ripped off. Consumer masochism is the new zeitgeist.

>>4911473

>400 rounds 7.62x39 mmR $400

Thats way too expensive even for now.

http://gunbot.net/ammo/rifle/762x39/

>>4911007

Survival in 1993 is not survival in 2016. Survival among hardened slavs for whom suffering is not a new thing is not survival among brainwashed burgerclaps.

Prepare for an entirely new beast.

>>4911709

Agree. Most Amerikikes cant even live without a bathtub.

Wait, if kikes love money, then why are they trying to destroy it value?

>>4911834

Real wealth is very different from toilet papers the kikes issue from the central banks.

Real wealth is the factories and facilities kikes buy when they crash the economies. Real wealth is your Dremel, your pickup, guns and precious metals that hold value in the eyes of the masses.

>>4911610

http://www.sgammo.com/product/golden-tiger/1000-round-case-762x39-fmj-bt-golden-tiger-124-grain-russian-ammo

>>4911618

Also

http://gun-deals.com/ammo

>>4908995

SKS: $329.95

Ballpark shipping estimate: $50

C&R license: $30 (cheaper than an FFL transfer)

1000 rounds of 7.62x39, plus shipping: $274.87

Final total: $684.82

Then just kill other people and take their stuff.

>>4911473

AK is maybe $2-300 more and a much better platform. Can get 10 mags for ~$100 if you look around, too.

>>4907290

The idea is that you would spend it. For someone with a $2000 savings its irrelevant either way. But for people, institutions etc with $1,000,000 it should (if you're a Keynesian) encourage you to spend it. This should (if you're a Keynesian) stimulate the demand-less weak fragile economy (if you're a Keynesian)

>>4911916

Is golden tiger still the best?

>>4910586

> implying that we have money

I'd love to own land, if I didn't have to work for 10 years to afford it.

Envious of our ancestors who only had to work 2-3 years to afford it.

The bankers have stolen much.

>>4906622

all these dubs be confirming and shit

thank god for stacking

>>4910751

Makes no sense. Show me a precedent for it. That won't happen until cashless society happens.

>>4907290

Buy gold and silver. It stimulates the economy just like any other spending, according to those morons (except when confronted with people wanting gold or silver, they use doublethink to realize that it actually means they are failing when people do this).

WHEN THE ECONOMY CRASHES

AND THEY CANNOT AFFORD TOTAL POLICE COVERAGE

WE WILL PUNISH

>>4912171

Yes.

>>4910192

>thinking random fags can hit shit at 300 yards without some training before hand

>playing soldier

>LARPing

>engaging in combat at 300 yards when you are in a WROL situation and you don't know who it is and you have limited ammo

>getting into gun battles in SHTF

>not just using guns for personal defense

im not even a navy seal with 300 kills and I know you are a fucking retard

>>4911473

>>4912025

Any links to where to buy from?

>>4912208

It has happened, but only a few banks have done it so far, small ones.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/02/12/news/economy/danish-bank-charges-savers-interest/

Even without NIRP savings rates are so low that real rates are negative when you account for inflation, so it's moot point. Money in the bank is money losing value.

Nobody should keep all their money in a bank savings account when there are precious metals and p2p lending.

>>4912688

>long range scope

>on a shotgun

For what purpose?

>>4912688

>>4913374

I look forward to looting your stashes, fudds.

>>4910192

>300 yards

>3 football fields

>isn't enough

>reeeeeeeee

you know why all militaries in the world switched from big bolt action rifles to assault rifles? they found that you didn't really need to shoot further than 100 yards in war

>>4913372

You can get an accurate 300 yard shot easy with a rifled slug from a smooth bore shotgun.

Scope just gives you better placement.

Deer hunters like them.

>>4910549

Both CCI and Aguila expanded production 30% for 2016 so lots of .22 being made. That said there isn't a major shortage, just the other week I picked up a box of 500 Remington for $33 which is more than the $28 I paid last year but oh well. 500 rounds of 9mm would coste $100 and 500 rounds of 5.56 would be $150. 500 12gauge shells would be more than that. Also there is plenty of CCI minags and Winchester if I want to spent a little extra. Lots of CCI Velocitors if I want to spend d even more (but still cheaper than 9mm)

>>4913374

>>4913757

Ah, how interesting. How weird, too. Normally in any other business they just pricegouge. Hell, even fruit does that shit. I guess maybe that a lot of stores/distributors had pre-set contracts that fixed the price of .22s, and they're only recently ending so the price range is slowly moving up?

Also, I guess if you think SHTF is gonna go down faster than expected, you could always get an automatic shotgun with a drum magazine. Regulars are cheap as hell, so having both at once doesn't seem like it should set you back that hard.

Anyway only reason I pushed 9mm specifically is because LEOs main it, and so do most army and national guard depots. It'll temporarily flow like candy each time one is compromised or their CO decides to go all kurtz and become a mini-warlord in his own area. More expensive to buy, but easier to scavenge or pick up after a mass looting. (also, as mentioned, more automatics use them too)

>>4913144

>Would normies really give me stuff for a gold coin?

Most business owners, small and large, are not normies and would take gold, silver, etc.

>>4913757

Anything bigger than a .22 I'd recommend going with Wolf steel cased, at least for a semi automatic. I've put a lot of rounds out of a few pistols, and had almost zero jams using the steel jacket. Brass always seemed to hang up at some point.

Used to cost me about $120 for a big box of .45 acp ball rounds. But if fluctuates.

The down side is it isn't brass, and I never really trusted it for reloading.

>>4913934

>you could always get an automatic shotgun with a drum magazine.

Those are novelties. Just go spend $200 on a C&R Pump, then pimp it out. You can hunt doves or deer, and defend your home with the same gun.

>>4913934

Why choose only one? The average gun owner in the US has 8 guns.

jesus fucking christ this will destroy our economy

>>4910192

If I had to shot my way out of a law deadly niggertown during armageddon, I want a 12 guage, a hacksaw and a .357 revolver with 3 speed loaders.

>>4914373

Why not at least two weapons, a battle rifle and a side arm? If you have a wife a rifle for her as well.

>>4914207

>C&R Pump

Should be H&R Pump, lol.

Still the same premise.

You've got to think like the old school mountain men. Carry all the shit you need with you. Shot, Powder, Primers, and reuse your shells.

http://lanesreloading.com/index.html

Complete independence.

>>4914373

You don't need that many types and it's not as though you are going to be traveling cross country by foot you LARPer.

Personally I keep a 10/22, 2x .22 handguns, a 9mm handgun, an AR, and am going to get one of those 9mm kel-tec carbines. Oh and a 12 gauge but that's more for sport.

That's .22LR, 9mm, 5.56mm. And 1000 rounds of 22 is a lot easier to carry around and the others.

What gun should I get if I just want to raid?

>>4914586

Technically, you should already have what you need at this point.

If you don't, follow my advice on the $200 shotgun, and reloading your own ammo.

Bersa makes very reliable, and affordable sidearms. They aren't as cheap as a high point, but they are made well.

During the depression there wasn't apocalyptic looting happening. Some people had, a lot of had not.

If your a mortgage kind of person, or live paycheck to paycheck, guess what? Your lifestyle is going to drastically change. Guns aren't going to change that very much.

If your a complete degenerate with no social security number and a travel trailer for a home, and an empty lot to squat on, your probably going to be just fine.

>>4910339

>bug-out

>in Canada

Be careful, Faggots, Shitskins, and Pinoys stalk the woods at night, searching for bigots, infidels and people to preach Catholicism to.

>>4906622

Negative interest rates are actually a very good idea. Saving money is degenerate.

>>4907276

>implying value isn't subjective

I don't get how libertarians can go on and on about subjective theory of value and then somehow say that gold has inherent value that makes it a better currency than paper.

>>4915205

>>4915205

>I don't get how libertarians can go on and on about subjective theory of value and then somehow say that gold has inherent value that makes it a better currency than paper.

>I don't understand how something the Jews can't print is better than something the Jews can and do print could make for better currency.

That is because you are completely fucking retarded.

>>4915014

>(1)

Don't listen to this stooge.

You want a 9mm with LOTS of ammo at all times. Firefights can last a while, and the more rounds you can put down, especially from behind cover the better. Also sprayed 16 rd mag while running away can be what saves you from returning fire.

That is the bare minimum you should have on you at all times.

For the actual raid, forget about knives. You don't have reach and for the average channer, you can get knocked out by even an unskilled heavyweight. You need an aluminum bat so that they're too concussed to scream.

If there's even a sign that there might be a dog at the place, move along. If they've still got a dog in SHTF, it's clearly trained enough to alert the owners when there is actually a threat, or they would've gotten rid of it by then due to false alarms + food + water investment.

>>4915225

Jews don't have to print the currency. The government could do it directly. There is nothing wrong with fiat currency per se, just the way it is done through the federal reserve.

>>4915243

>The government could do it directly.

>Wanting to give retarded politicians access to free money.

You really are completely fucking retarded anon.

>>4915180

Get lost Mordecai

>>4915256

I don't support retarded politicians. The selection process for leadership itself is retarded and would need to be overhauled as well. Just like with fiat currency, this is another case of something not being bad in itself (government leadership), just the method with which it is done.

>>4915281

Name one reason people should save money.

>>4906622

they're trying to crash the economy just in time for trump's rise to power because they know they can't stop him

their plan is to make him look retarded, and remembered as the person who was in charge when things really went to shit.

this is to further turn people away from the right, and nationalism.

trump can't be stumped though.

it will be interesting to see how he handles an economy that's this fucked up.

>>4908338

>this is the logical conclusion to engineered economies

This is the logical conclusion of economies engineered for constant growth of a particular sector at any expense. It is not the logical conclusion of all engineered economies.

>>4915312

So they can buy something in the future that they can't afford yet.

>>4915609

Credit, m8.

>>4906622

Question: If Negative interest rates start, doesn't that just force the banks to loan out more money or does this effect me the average goy. Will I be paying these Jews to keep my money in their banks or what?

>>4908505

>not realizing the domestic American market is large enough to sustain itself indefinitely.

>being this much a Jew

>Muh Infinite Growth

>Muh Globalism

Take your free trade rhetoric and stick it straight up your anti-American ass, globalist.

>>4915999

You are correct. The central bank having a negative interest rate incentivizes the lower banks to do things with their money, rather than letting it sit in the central bank.

However, it doesn't necessary incentivize loans. Banks don't just loan out money. They also invest in all sorts of dubious financial instruments, like the ones that caused the 2008 crash. It gets worse, though.

The central bank has actually been paying banks to keep money with them to prevent quantitative easing from leading to hyperinflation. When that gravy train ends, there is going to be a lot of money that needs to find a new home. Unfortunately, damn near every investment imaginable is massively overvalued and due for a crash.

>>4909816

fuck all that shit. just buy 50 pound bags of dog food. fuck you if you want to bitch about taste. you dont have to cook it and its decent nutrition. 300 pounds of dog food. a water filter. some buried 30 gallon bins full of hose water. an ar15. 1,000 rounds. binoculars. cold-rated sleeping bag. toilet paper. socks. backpack.

retards with gold and silver will get btfo. also most of you are pussy and will end up in labor camps. the jews already won if your plan is only survival and not total resistance. theyll fingerprint you and use your biometrics for their new digital currency. goy. be good now.

I'm glad I don't have any money.

>>4916473

fuck up faggot. i never said shit about bugging out. stay in your ao. sleeping bag incase you need to go innawoods for a few days. not everybodies got the shit required for le epic prepper setup. yeah, 1000 rounds of the same brand ammo and a rifle zero'd for it. dont plan on magdumping 5 mags at a time. stay hidden and hit your shots. if you can, get more. imma eat my dog food.

>>4908151

Except it's not "you", it's the banks that take from fedreserve that only have to pay back $90. You still have to pay back to those banks

>>4908573

They can't stand the idea of an entire generation giving the middle finger to credit cards and every form of loan that they can.

>>4915235

Degenerate lies.

Who uses 9mm except commies.

A true /pol/ wouldn't even be looking to raid another Nationalist, they would be looking to support their Nation.

I laid the bait, and commies didn't disappoint.

>>4914372

You are holy shit levels of retarded.

There are no hitpoints in real life, dumbass.

>>4909258

God you're a fucking moron. It's been known for ages that gold and precious metals has the huge risk of being stolen. You'll lose all your shit at a highway roadblock set up by a ragtag bunch of bandits, you dumb nigger.

Goldfags will be seriously BTFO when they constantly get robbed by gangs of niggers every time they travel to make a trade, they'll have to have someone waiting at home 24x7 to protect their shit.

What a stupid fucking idea. The only fools who think it will work are LARPers who have been playing too much vidya and think they can actually take on an armed checkpoint by themselves, and if they don't - then they'll have to share their gold just to pay for security. You ain't that good, son.

>>4909258

Top lel. Someone's salty they didn't get in on Bitcoin early.

>>4909258

>and I'm not going to spell it out because if you

Because you hate freedom and don't understand that you are too old to embrace new technology.

If someone minned 10.000 coins in 2011 they would be richer than you will ever be in your life.

>>4917110

nah my dogs lived a solid 12 years. hes getting a quick bullet to the head and a burial. not risking some bullshit happening to my dog.

>>4915014

You want a crowbar. Good for popping locks, doors, windows. Hefty enough to break bone. Strong enough to bar or brace an entrance. A short length of steel rebar is a decent alternative in a pinch.

>>4917347

Why bother. The idiots have no clue, the degenerates need an explanation, and the ready don't care.

The ready don't need a crowbar and already understand what the pressure points are for.

>>4917376

I live in a rural area on a farm. On a hill. Have bore water and collect more rainwater than I'll ever use. My closest neighbor is half a mile away.

I feel bad for people that will be trapped in a city if the shit hits the fan. Survival in an urban or suburban environment is a way different challenge than what I'm looking at.

Not gonna pretend I'm a survivalist, but I grew up hunting, fishing and camping. If my family and I were forced out of my comfy abode, I doubt I would last more than a month roughing it, less than that if we couldn't source clean water.

>>4908666

>implying we aren't in a recession

>tellin me to pray

Get thee behind me, Satan!

>>4909816

Yeah, people get fucked up. Being able to defend yourself comes first. As long as you are willing to ditch supplies/gold/whatever as necessary to survive, there is no harm in prepping. What else are you gonna spend your fed notes on?

>>4909884

no

>>4912846

>>4913460

Are you zergs? If not, don't try to fight like them. Most people with iq >85 can learn to hit a guy at 300 yds with proper, non-tacticool instruction. With a rifle, not a retarded slug gun.

And anyone getting within 1/4 mile would be self defense in many places.

>>4917437

Then your definitely not the degenerates chasing after me. Idiots arguing words buried in words.

Life is so simple to those who've seen it…

Man they fucking see us coming.

So close.

Don't tell another motefucker what you've said on this board. Period. Fucking Period. Don't tell another motherfucking soul, even if its your pregnant sister asking.

Push her off to the next spot. Tell her the well is spoiled, dead cattle.

ugetit.

Life gives life.

>>4906877

Lmao. When you buy gold, you simply get an other paper like the ones in >>4906701. You can't even say that that gold you bought exists. Idem for silver.

The global powers are done with USA, their new center of power is China. It's to FEMA camps with you now.

>>4917584

gold only holds value for after things clear up. With a working society, gold WILL have value again. It always does. Your Mugabe- Obama- megabucks will be worthless. Your beans, if not used up, will be tasteless and losing food value. Your ammo is worth most during the SHTF, but it has a longer life than you.

>>4906877

how about land?

>>4916419

Beans, nuts, and whey protein. All you need.

My bank has .4% interest so I'm essentially losing money already and I don't know what the fuck to do

I'm thinking of putting into mutual funds, I don't know enough to invest in the stock market. Fuck!

>>4917786

Stay out of the stock market for now or ever. Especially if losing money to inflation has you on edge.

So, basically:

Interest rates will be negative, leading to:

- your lending money from banks rendering you positive results (e.g. Borrow 1000, pay 900)

- your savings will reduce with time, since interest rates regulate how much your money generates more money while left untouched in the back (e.g. Deposit 1000, draw 900)

In short: they are telling everyone to take their money off banks, to get lots of loans to spend and invest, while banks will have to make their bucks by charging more and heavier admin or service fees.

It'll create a society in which it's impossible to predict when and how you'll be able to retire. I don't like it.

>>4917747

additionally a couple of goats to convert that crap into food

>>4917584

>not buying physical

Toppest pleb ever

>>4908573

>They are waging a war on savings.

Won't people just take most of their money out of the banks and stuff it in their mattresses or something?

>>4917860

If everyone just took their money from banks and made no loans, banks would break and we'd have stagnation + heavy inflation.

Too much money available without anyone spending.

>>4917835

Daily reminder that goats are fucking cheap, low maintenance and can eat grass/other various plant crap that's unhealthy for humans

grass is fucking everywhere

>>4917831

No. This is only the central bank's rate. You don't do business with the central bank, so it going negative doesn't mean as much to you.

Rates on savings accounts might go down.

Rates on loans will probably go down.

We might experience hyperinflation.

We might experience another worldwide banking crash due to overinvestment in shoddy financial instruments.

>>4917575

I honestly have no clue what the fuck I meant by "ugegit"

Other than I was serious, and wanted, and still want only life to prosper.

Shit happens.

Life gives life. Fuck all dumb shit.

>>4917920

For those capable of hearing,

The sound of a broken heart,

For something greater.

…

Nothing more am I allowed to say

>>4918021

At this, as you accept these images I accept My End.

Goodbye /po/

>You where always right

Which is of course translates in

A deap felt meaning,

but a meanting that nevertheless results in the inevitable butturt acceptance of ….

Jamalberg, Always Right

Bringing Order out of Chaos

Nationalize the banking system

End banking usury for U.S. citizens

Nationalize the media

Ban international firms.

Promote national firms.

The firms exist as competition and to provide jobs for the people, not to feed the internationalists.

Make pornography illegal

Guaranteed minimum income with guaranteed employment [job creation through basic labor jobs like community gardens, street sweeping, etc. Would replace all forms of welfare]

End forced desegregation

[Recongnition of the reality that different races have different racial characteristics]

Create a "Domestic Dependent Sovereign Nation" within the U.S. for Black people, similar in status to Native American Tribes.

Desegregation simply doesn't work. Forcing blacks and whites into a pretend homogeneity has failed dramatically and both races would be better served by giving blacks their own sovereign state within the U.S., where they can elect their own leaders and not feel pressured to conform to unrealistic white standards.

Openly promote Jewish immigration to Israel

Part of bringing to an end U.S. financial support to Israel

Create "every citizen armed" civil militia

Create a "Judge Dredd" State sanctioned position, authorized to carry out extrajudicial punishments, for every State within the United States.

Penalize childbirth out of wedlock while promoting birth control

Create Nationalized adoption program to phase out abortion

Part of penalizing single motherhood would be mandatory adoption of single parent children into functioning 2 parent families.

[Needs a stance on outsourcing, tobacco, alcohol and any business that harms the country (aka all sorts of swindlers and charlatans, GMO/hormone food growers, etc.)]

Make all alcohol and tobacco advertising illegal.

Focus on creating healthy family environments including benefits of alcohol and tobacco abstinence.

[Texas Gov. Greg Abbott: Constitutional Convention

Prohibit congress from regulating activity that occurs wholly within one state.

Require Congress to balance its budget.

Prohibit administrative agencies from creating federal law.

Prohibit administrative agencies from pre-empting state law.

Allow a two-thirds majority of the states to override a U.S. Supreme Court decision.

Require a seven-justice super-majority vote for U.S. Supreme Court decisions that invalidate a democratically enacted law

Restore the balance of power between the federal and state governments by limiting the former to the powers expressly delegated to it in the Constitution.

Give state officials the power to sue in federal court when federal officials overstep their bounds.

Allow a two-thirds majority of the states to override a federal law or regulation.]

Nationalism, love of ones Nation, must have an almost religious zeal to it.

But not really.

Whereever there is butthurt, I wll be there, to champion whatever is butthurt. untiil butthurt is no more.

Or something.

:)

>>4918088

Go to bed Anon, you're tired.

It's like one one of those mescaline momtents where the gasoline atttendent is spraying you off, and you accept that you've been rolling in the dirt covered in gasoline or you accept that you are a higher being and all that gasoline is just proof of your ascendencucy, and pretty much the whole joint goes up in a fireball while you scream "I was Wrong, Jesus Fucking Kill Me, I Was Wrong!"

Fuck, I love dempcracy.

.>>4918151

>Buy land.

Do this.

Merlin commands it.

Laugh Motherfuckers I'm being cool.

Just look for shit you can park a fucking camper on.

Odds are I'll be moving in that direction..

>>4908346

>only libertarians understand economics

>which is why their policies don't fix anything and are economic suicide

Is this what you niggers actually tell yourselves?

That only you understand economics enough to have an opinion on it?

Lolberturdian is getting more justified by the minute.

>>4914879

>Blow me, Jews.

>>4918174

You know, I used to really believe in God. I don't know so much as he''s divine influence or my higher power anymore, but he's kept me out of prison, and I'll be goddamned it he hasn't kept me from offing myself more than at few times.

So, fucing whatever. maybe he wants something besides a fucking shit fest of abandonment..

Nothing personal.

160 EastTahuya Drive

Shelton Washingtion

98584

Sleep where u can

Notice everyone, blame no one.

>>4917645

Does a still hold value? I would be able to produce quite a large amount of distilled water for some time, as long as I can keep it running. Water has value, as nothing grows or lives without it.

>>4918591

Just make $1 and put it in there please so you can have a -$14.88 balance. That's all I'm asking.

>>4914047

I know right. Wishful thinking.

No need to be alarmed goys. Remember:

>Anyone saying America's economy is in decline is peddling fiction.

All those hosts and pundits that laughed heartily at Peter Schiff better be eating a truckload of humble pie right now.

>>4917144

or having your dog reveal your position, if he's not that well-trained

worth noting that dog food can go bad - the oil goes rancid

as for the issue of variety, get a book to identify local edible vegetation. some flowers and bitter leaves can spice things up a bit here and there, maybe a root vegetable or two if you're lucky

wild carrots are pretty tasty

>>4918480

I think she talks in 1.5hrs

it's about 2am in aus

>>4918725

ignore that

So basically the market and economy aren't fucked enough for her to do anything

>>4918151

BUY LAND, ARMS AND SEED

Build networks with people who would be willing to help you sow and til the fields, and protect them.

Europeans will be the best off as farming is in our blood.

>>4918657

well i have 3 30 pound pags right now. all are listed as good until june 20, 2017. so i should be able to squeeze another couple months out of them with proper storage. when i feel the collapse getting closer, i will buy more with a further "good till" date.

God damn that guy slayed her.

I hate how they only give each representative like 5 mins yelled was getting grilled.

anyone else watching this on cspan right now?

>>4918139

Best post in this thread.

you could consider some bags of beans and rice and whatnot

both are cheap, nutritious, tasty, easy to cook, and last longer than dog food. rice lasts up to 30 years under the right conditions, beans can go up to 25

for fat, get crisco - that stuff stays good for many years

dog food's fine and all, but i don't see why you'd go that route over other sorts of long-term edibles. i'm just imagining you sitting there alone scarfing fistfulls of dog food and thinking "THIS WAS THE WRONG DECISION"

I liquidated all my accounts, when Hal Turnerstein warned us about the coming collapse and war with Iran and North Korea. Can't wait to watch everything burn. Feel the Bern, baby. We 1917 Russia now.

>>4919763

i have some beans and rice. the dog food is more for times when i cant be fucking around cooking and shit. like say i need to go scout an area and ill be away from my cache for 2-3 days. ill put 1.5 gallons of water, a couple pounds of dog food, other bare necessities and a sleeping bag in my pack and travel light and efficiently. its not that bad, you just chew it up enough to swallow it. not like your savoring the taste. just getting it in your stomach. keep in mind, this is for poorfags and dont give a fuck fags who cant buy mre's for patrols and shit.

>>4919835

ok i take it back. just tried to eat more than 5 pieces at a time and threw the fuck up. dog food is not an option. buy rice and beans everybody. do not buy dog food.

>>4908622

>Most USD are actually outside of the US and when people realize its worthless its going to trigger a panic and come flooding back.

China is already dumping its foreign currency reserves.

>>4919835

FFS get some military food rations on ebay for that. Dog food might be cheaper but it's repulsive if you don't happen to be a dog.

Or buy lots of canned stuff.

>>4916906

>people with gold and silver will get BTFO in a true crisis. Honestly, most people will get BTFO.

Crisis doesn't imply ultimate utter social collapse, kenshiro tier aftermath and dead people everywhere. Yes, that is a crisis, but it usually doesn't get that bad, civilization eventually resumes, gold and silver will still be valuable.

I see a lot of people talking about guns and no one talking about body armor.

Body armor is a necessity. Some simple kevlar will do. You only need to be able to stop handgun calibers for the vast majority of circumstances. It's light and cheap, comparatively.

If you want better, it's going to get a lot heavier. The best armor you can buy is going to be hardened steel plates with an anti-faulding coating. Hardened steel is the best armor but bullets will ricochet off of it, potentially hitting some other part of you, so the anti-faulding is in place to stop the bullet. That would protect you all the way up to anti-materiel rifles.

>>4919835

>>4919894

well man, i laughed

glad you tried it before it made the difference

mostly you're gonna have to boil water to drink anyway, so cooking your rice and beans won't be a big deal. if you've gotta go away for a few days, you can back some already cooked with you. it lasts a few days cooked even in warm weather, so you should be alright

>>4919925

aye, better options exist. you can even just bring a tub of crisco with you and some hard flour biscuits and you'll be golden. climbers and extreme explorers will often bring sticks of butter with them to eat. not delicious necessarily, but you won't puke it up and it's compact calories.

>>4920503

body armor's probably OK to have in an urban environment, but i doubt it's essential. the best survival strategy will be to avoid armed combat as much as possible, anyway.

don't forget that anything flashy or seemingly desirable sets you up as a target for looters. some tatted up punk shit might like the look of your tacticool steel plate armor and stab you in the back of the neck with his pals

>>4920542

hardened steel body armor is just plate inserts into a carrier. nigs won't even know.

kevlar you can weave into whatever. i wouldn't recommend just buying kevlar armor, though. i'd get kevlar sheets and sew it into my coat instead.

again, will only stop pistol bullets, and not even all of them. but it's a no-brainer for armor.

after that, you need the plate inserts. i chose to talk about hardened steel because it can take a lot of punishment and still be usable, plus it stops basically everything that body armor can stop, but it's a lot heavier than some of your ceramic options.

>>4906701

Also that the US dollar has a military ready to kill for it when you muck shit up.

That's rarely mentioned here, I mean its not like knocked over a few countries on this topic.

And what does gold have backing it?

Same as the dollar, a collective beleif its worth something.

Same as eggs and horse-

Oh wait you can eat and use those to survive as direct utilities.

Remind me where you got your circuit fabber to run off the gold ingots?

don't forget about waste.

get some cat litter and a litter box. i don't think i need to explain why. a scoop, too. you'll be covered even if/when your plumbing stops working.

you can just collect rainwater for water. get a big plastic jug to hold all the water, get a shovel and get a tarp. just dig an inward-sloping hole and then dig a bigger hole inside for the jug. cut a hole just the size of the jug's mouth in the center of the tarp, put the hole over the mouth and secure it with some cordage. then drop the jug into the hole and secure each 4 corners of the tarp with some rocks or stakes.

because it's recessed into the earth, you don't have to worry about people seeing it. you do have to worry about contamination but there are some common sense solutions to that – namely, add a filter to the mouth of the jug. other conveniences include adding a tube and pump into the jug to withdraw the water.

just make sure to keep it clean and inspect the water before you drink it. preferably, filter and boil it, in that order. but you can do it anywhere and not die of dehydration.

>>4920770

gold had value to humans long before circuit boards and will have value for as long as the human species likes shiny stuff. gold's not going out of style any time soon.

>>4920641

i don't doubt it could be useful, but as an essential i wouldn't include it. my advice tends more toward avoidance at all costs. nobody's rambo, people die quick in firefights.

there are limited sets of circumstances under which body armor would be useful, basically. if you think your circumstances are such that it's warranted, go for it. but for most, i'd say it's not a priority.

>>4908383

I'm a member of a credit union and it's glorious. I'm glad my Dad got me into a credit union for my first bank back when the signs of the 2008 recession were surfacing.

>>4920641

Don't use polyamarids in your coat if going for soft material.

It has no backing and will not work well.

Granted the bullet won't peirce, but it will just poke a polyamarid backed hole in you.

You want composite sheeting, that is a resin backed layer of the material that you put in your coat.

You will be better off than just having it loose.

If you put it on your chest, make sure its snug, not snug like skinny jeans, but more of a corset.

That will disperse the impact across the whole of the armor, preventing the penetration and maybe leaving you bruised instead of with a busted rib.

>>4920853

Except gold has fallen off when it has nobody to trade it to.

It gets you at the start of event when people think its easy, or when they can take it elsewhere and redeem it.

Its also useful after the fact to redeem, but you are going to see a large period where people are more interested in survival goods than long term planning that sees gold useful.

As well, how are you going to keep your gold worth a thing?

If I say a can of beans you want is five kilos of gold, what exactly makes it so you can run lower?

Violence? At which point why bother with gold, just shoot me and take my goods at the start.

>>4908995

You can get a nugget (a Mosin Nagant) for $150

Spend the rest on ammo. Spam cans of 7.62x54R are dirt cheap:

http://www.leesmags.com/product-p/7.62x54r-silvertip-440.htm

tl;dr:

a battle rifle and 3000 rounds of ammo for it for about $1000

>kikes spamming an important economics thread with survival bullshit

>/pol/tards fall for it

Why the fuck are you people so dense?

this started happening the moment this thread beacame a sticky.

>>4921019

>everything's the kikes

Anon, survival shit gets posted in every thread about the possibility of civilization collapse or societal upheaval. It's stickied, it can't be slid, it can't reach post limit. Discuss the financials, save the survivals, and prepare yourself for the possibility.

>>4921019

Well too me I like hearing gold players try and explain how to turn gold into water.

Beyond that, none of us even collectively, have the clout to stop anything in the next three months.

Basically, all the happening is much too late to stop, so you move onto the next part of surviving and prepping for the fight.

You don't waste time and energy on something you can't beat, you focus on controlling the battle and where it goes.

Also, a bunch of people here have no hope of survival, and its fun to watch who you are going to make some long pork out of as you just focus on killing them and taking their stuff they spent more money on than you.

>>4920641

steel is so fucking heavy as to almost be useless. Even if you're 24/7 mounted, you'll always have that fucking weight pressing on you and it's a real bitch.

Ceramic is pretty comfy though.

>>4921019

The whole point of this thread is that the Fed is going to Crash the Economy With No Survivors.

>>4920984

a nugget only qualifies as a battle rifle, when you watch the battle from the commissars office, being carried out by an endless number of conscripts.

Not if you care about your personal survival.

>>4921182

>Get a job

>30% unemployment

>just get a job

>even wal-mart and mcdonalds are firing people, closing stores and eliminating jobs with robot cashiers

Exactly what fucking world do you live in?

>>4921221

At that point it becomes a pike to stop the mass cavalry charges of Polish hussars trying to break your screening line so their AT cannons in the woods can potshot your t34s.

>>4920961

gold is a long-term asset

obviously its value goes down compared to a can of beans when people are desperate for food. the point isn't so much to use it as a barter item during SHTF (unless absolutely necessary) but to keep it until such a time as it's comparatively valuable again.

think of it this way - it's a more viable long-term option than stuffing banknotes in your mattress, and serves the same purpose

>>4921256

moist nugget confirmed for polearm

>>4913144

>How do I buy physical silver?

alchemy

>duh

>>4915014

Anyone suggesting you not putting a gun on top of the list is a shill.

This nigger is telling you to go "stealth" or whatever the fuck that is. Yes I know the meaning of the word, try reliably sneaking up on everybody you have ever met though.

>>4921234

>Exactly what fucking world do you live in?

the one with convenient excuses for not working!

>>4921234

>Exactly what fucking world do you live in?

A dystopia.

Yes i agree there isn't a lot of work out and there are a lot of Americans unemployed and out of the work force but that didn't stop me.

indeed, monster and other job search engine help find a job whether you will be hired as temp or perm at least your making money even if you have to flip burger or work at a gas station your making money i spent 3 to 4 hour a day on those website and i landed a 12.75 job.

>being this pessimistic

i can't help you anymore, but there is work out, not a lot, but some.

>mfw i live in NH were it impossible to find good work that pays good

>mfw when minimum wage is 7.25$

>>4921416

Also, the only way to be actually "stealthy" is to give a chump a suppressed .22 subsonic shot or an arrow/bow into the middle of his head.

>>4921435

0/10 but here's your reply

>>4921473

That's anecdote, anon. "Just get a job and make money" doesn't work when the primary economic issues of the day are unemployment, underemployment, low wages and rent and health insurance increases consuming all discretionary spending.

I bought a second rifle and plate carrier so I can equip a poorer friend or /pol/ack in The Happening, because I know it'll be needed. Lots of people are just scraping by, and "at least I got mine" isn't going to cut it.

>>4921515

*bolt

>>4918139

>Mescaline

Damn that was one of the best drugs I've consumed

>>4913578

my first gun was a short barreled smooth bore benelli nova. It was used so i only paid $280 from cabellas.

its got a scope mount, and really good iron sites… i never felt a need to fit a scope, and i can hit like the guy in this video. my targets are larger but i can consistently hit on paper. great for deer.

the rifled slugs are hard to come by soemtimes. but thank you non for knowing that its smooth bore - rifled slug, rifled bore - smooth slug. people are consistently wrong about this.

>>4922575

normies are less than human but i wouldnt even call them animals. even animals store food for a rainy day. there is no excuse at this point, they have undoubtedly heard snippets of truth but have refused to look into them further. especially when redpilled people make such a ruckus that mainstream news is forced to report on what we are saying. i mean really, all you have to do is look into one aspect of this fucked up system for more than 5 minutes and down the rabbit hole you go. maybe normies are literally soulless drones serving the system.

>>4921338

Pretty much.

Gold is for recovery and fleecing people in anything but a long term issue.

>>4914047

>implying civilization is not built on economics

>>4921054

>>4921081

Interestingly that has nothing with the current news. Make a survival thread about it if you want to act tough.

As you can see the debate is just survival now, and the one that goes about how fucking important this is forgotten.

Typical shill forum diversion. Clearly shows how kikes don't wanna know how they're stealing our shekels.

>>4921109

The fuck are you talking about.

>>4923602

Oh noes!

Kikes are playing with the federal Reserve!

Its not like this is news we can do shit about nor is it news that is new.

Maybe if it was something like moving the FDIC insurance bracket to 100k or that corrective action was being enacted on those taking advantage of the market instability it would be neat.

But we've known for a while they'd raise the rates, then drop them because either way it crashes, but lowered rates make it take a little longer.

The economy is getting on methadone, and its all too euphoric until that bottle runs dry.