12f68c No.4908938
Mass Production requires Mass Consumption and the wages of the workers create demand.
The demand for goods creates jobs.
Great Industrialists. like Ford, knew this. Ford paid he workers in his first factory twice the going rate.
Paying your workers well does cut into profits but it's good for the economy, and that's good for the long term goals of the company.
It's called an "economic multiplier". The well paid workers buys goods and services and that creates other jobs and opportunities for entrepreneurs,
This cycle created America prosperity and power.
The United States is the largest market in the world for pretty much everything.
If you want to sell a product here. Make it here with American union workers.
What?
You say you cannot make the ungodly profits you have become accustomed to if you don't make your overpriced gym shoes with malnourished Asian child labor.
Then I suggest you try to sell your overpriced gym shoes to malnourished Asian children.
The end to "free trade" and government regulated partnership between capital and labor could restore the American standard of living and maintain it.
2fa21b No.4910346
12f68c No.4910605
>>4910346
Please show me my errors.
Please educate me why I should continue doing nothing while my standard of living declines and Multinational corporations loot the nation.
b3982c No.4910694
>>4908938
>cut into profits
a corporation is supposed to maximize profits
Take your socialist policies back to Europe, you Jerrycucks aren't welcome here or in Britain
2fa21b No.4911033
>>4910605
You want to end global trade, begin price fixing and wage setting.
You also seem to be advocating a Keynesian solution where the government tries to promote mass consumption and growth.
The first set of things are all very basic economic fallacies. The second, Keynesian solution is a failure. Any examination of socialist/control economies will highlight the failures.
Because you are not making any new or interesting points, I assumed you were someone with no formal education regarding these things.
The solution to stagnant wages is not the government forcing higher wages.
Have a look at this graph. The problem is debt, not government debt specifically, but debt in and of itself.
35b3d6 No.4911080
Labor theory of value is a lot of bullshit.
Banging rocks together don't create value, making rocks into someone people can use and sell it does.
12f68c No.4911537
>>4910694
I'm a fascist. I'm a fascist who has actually read fascist writings as opposed to just wanting to do cosplay.
http://www.oswaldmosley.net/the-political-aims-of-british-union.php
106c99 No.4911652
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>>4910694
That's a jewish mentality. True white American industrialists like Henry Ford had a goal of building great industry for its own sake. The profit was a happy by-product.
12f68c No.4911677
>>4911033
and you are projecting stuff onto my proposed plan.
It is not Keynesian because I am not asking the government to create jobs with deceit spending.
and I am not asking the government to fix wages or prices. Non-government controlled unions would exist, if a really bad strike happened the courts could mediate it.
The government is not forcing higher wages, the workers are simply allowed to bargain collectively for those higher wages.
But I agree with you that debt is a big problem, both private and public.
Tariffs are good sources of revenue for the state, you know.
I don't have solution for private debt. Is that even a problem for the state to address?
>>4911080
W.T.F. are you talking about?
106c99 No.4911729
>>4911080
However, to sell it, you need people who can buy it.
1fd584 No.4911976
>>4908938
>Paying your workers well does cut into profits but it's good for the economy, and that's good for the long term goals of the company.
Had fuck all to do with the economy and everything to do with reducing turnover and retaining the best talent leaving his rivals with his cast-offs.
No, the secret to national economic success is producing more than you consume. The surplus of goods is sold abroad to bring in claims on foreign goods (ie money), or is used to improve efficiency (capital goods, or the goods purchased with commercial goods).
Improving efficiency and ever increasing claims on foreign production are what make a nation wealthy and powerful. This is the model the US followed from the End of Reconstruction until the regulation craze hit in the late 60's and early 70's.
The degeneration of our economy is a result of a fundamental misreading of human action by the people in charge, one which has allowed and encouraged misallocation and redistribution of purchasing power resulting in a collapse in capital stock, literally and figuratively eating the seed corn.
Free trade is good when you have sensible amounts of regulation, ie enforce laws against murder, assault (air pollution is a form of assault), theft (land and water pollution are a form of theft), and fraud. Stop trying to anticipate what people are going to do to violate these laws because the people are smarter than you. They have a lot more brainpower between them than even the smartest planner in the world. Instead, just evenhandedly enforce the law. Industry will return and new companies will spring up like nothing you have ever seen. Indeed, without so much regulatory burden, you yourself might start your own business. Perhaps you put in a small machine shop in your garage and make die tools. Maybe you sell water and candy from a cart in the park. Either way, you save and reinvest your earnings, and eventually your die and tool company is the tenth largest in the world, renowned for its high quality products at a reasonable price, or your line of convenience stores or restaurants, or vending machines is wowing the world thanks to your careful minding and without government interference or graft.
35b3d6 No.4912117
>>4911677
Nazi bases their economic on people working = value. This is nonsense.
>>4911729
People can buy it by working.
05894c No.4912899
>>4908938
If a cheap labour can make shoes for $5 instead of $10 for a comparative labour in the USA, then a person making $10 in the USA can have 2 shoes instead of one.
Being able to produce things for cheap = more production = more consumption.
The problem is government intervention in the market. 50% of your labour goes to the government, who then promptly redistributes it to non-producing people.
Cheap things are good. Unless you think if somebody were to invent a machine that can produce any thing at no cost is a bad thing.
05894c No.4912977
>>4911677
>Tariffs are good sources of revenue for the state, you know.
unfortunately, i could give 2 shit about the state generating revenue by stealing from its citizens and how you could consider such theft 'good' just boggles the mind.
12f68c No.4913060
>>4912899
Please reread my original post and consider where consumers get their money from.
Who passes all your cheap foreign made products when no one has a job?
Mass production requires mass consumption.
35b3d6 No.4913107
>>4913060
Consumers get money from either trading their own resources or working (providing their labors to get more resources).
05894c No.4913120
>>4913060
>zero sum fallacy
There is not a static amount of jobs available. Consumers will get money from another job.
12f68c No.4913141
>>4912977
Look at this guy.. it's one of the those taxation is theft people.
You are either super rich and duplicitous or just gullible and deluded.
35b3d6 No.4913170
>>4913141
Well, as said by the motherfucking Adam Smith himself, I can't disagree.
05894c No.4913210
>>4913141
>when negros get money from working citizens, it's bad
>when the government get money from working citizens, it's good
fascist logic?
12f68c No.4913218
>>4913107
>>4913120
It's because of thinking like this that the largest in employer in the United States changed from being General Motors in 1960 to Wallmart today.
Thanks for the national decay.
1fd584 No.4913238
>>4913141
Adam Smith isn't the be-all end-all of economics, anon.
If you can't see that taxation is extortion, then you are a fool. You can argue whether or not extortion is good sometimes, but not that forcing someone to give money or be accosted by men with guns, put into a box, and/or killed isn't extortion. Not without redefining words like a filthy liberal.
35b3d6 No.4913260
>>4913218
Union, yet another cancer.
35b3d6 No.4913282
>>4913238
Taxation is pretty much protection money if it comes down to it.
The state protects you, thus you give money to it.
12f68c No.4913302
>>4913210
Yep all the government does is feed and clothe and house niggers.
There are no Federal highways, National Parks, Law Enforcement, or anything like that.
Go to /liberty/ if you want to be that dense.
1fd584 No.4913369
>>4913282
The state "protects" you from itself.
I say that men should be strong and kill those who would extort them. Hang them from trees like the niggers they support at our expense.
05894c No.4913389
>>4913218
Why are you implying that walmart is 'worse' an employer compared to general motors?
the japanese can make cars very efficiently, deal with it. look up just-in-time production, it's fucking jap magic. their whole scdeal is about efficiency.
but guess what? the US can do other cool shit too. like Apple or Google. It's fucking comparative advantage and specialisation, it's good for everybody.
And being a 'single biggest employer' doesn't count for shit. There were probably bucket loads of people working retails and customer service for many companies, now they all mostly work for walmart, it's just labeling, you can't make any meaningful inference about the economy from that.
If you want the income to not tank ask the government to not redistribute 50% of everybody's labour, bam, you just doubled real income right there.
what economics book have you read?
35b3d6 No.4913449
>>4913389
Japs kill japs making cars, or worse, they have american making cars.
Americans have chinese making cars.
05894c No.4913457
>>4913302
>There are no Federal highways, National Parks, Law Enforcement, or anything like that.
if those things are so nice, then why must the government force people to pay for it?
nobody forced anybody to buy smartphones, they do it willingly because having smartphones is great.
>Go to /liberty/ if you want to be that dense.
you want your safe space back little fascisnista?
all this tears about lebbit echo chamber, all you want is another one for yourself.
12f68c No.4913470
>>4913260
I guess you like to go back to 18hr day, six day work week, have no workman's comp if you get hurt, get paid in company script and only be able to shop at the company store that raises prices when you get a raise to recoup "losses".
http://appalachianmagazine.com/2014/03/07/coal-mining-the-history-of-scrip/
35b3d6 No.4913478
>>4913369
The state protects you from invaders.
As even Washington agreed, militia cannot be as efficient as professional military.
05894c No.4913482
>>4913449
I have no idea wtf you are talking about.
35b3d6 No.4913493
>>4913470
Yes, rather have that than paying another single cent for another union master.
35b3d6 No.4913496
>>4913482
>japs have japs making cars*
05894c No.4913586
>>4913470
>muh fallacies
>more labour = bad
So I guess people working more is bad when they are doing it to get money for themselves, but it's glorious when they are building tanks for the government?
Why did people choose to work long hours? They do it so they can save up money for the future. Just as many people do now, when they work 12 hour shift on an oil rig, when they can have a cozy office job some where else.
Meaning getting scrip is bad but getting little green paper from the government is good. and the government can just print infinite amount of green paper to 'recoup losses' anytime they want.
the difference is that people chose to work 11 hours day, 6 day a week, willingly. because it was the best choice available to them at the time, given the low capital availability at the early period of industrialisation. Those people worked hard to build the foundation of the society you live in today so you can produce nothing and shit post on the internet.
top fucking kek
05894c No.4913615
>>4913478
>The state protects you from invaders.
>
10% of tax money goes to defense
the rest goes to handouts
35b3d6 No.4913633
>>4913615
Which means the state should be fixed, not dismantled altogether.
12f68c No.4913659
>>4913389
>Why are you implying that walmart is 'worse' an employer compared to general motors?
Because it's the truth.
General Motors motto used to be "What's good for America is good for General Motors."
General Motors exported products.
Walmart is the seventh largest importer of Chinese products in the world just by itself.
General Motors paid decent wages.. Walmart employees are on government assistance.
This shit has an effect. It's called an "economic multiplier".. Simply put.. well paid workers have money to spend and this creates opportunities for others to provide those workers with goods and services.
And I never said a fucking thing about wealth redistribution, This is a plan to protect American industry to create wealth for all.
12f68c No.4913691
>>4913493
Good for you.. you can leave for Asia when the Nationalist take over.
There you can work for a dollar a day making shoes… Maybe you'll be able to afford a pair of Nikes after a two or three decades of saving.
b6b889 No.4913739
>>4908938
1. fuck you I'm not giving my money to your union
2. henry ford could afford to pay his workers the
wage he did because they did something that was actually valuable, as opposed to flipping a burger
there's various other things wrong with this post but I'm assuming it's bait by now
35b3d6 No.4913752
>>4913691
When the nationalist takes over, there wouldn't even be unions.
The nazis and both the USA back in the '40s didn't have unions.
Union is a communist creation.
05894c No.4913784
>>4913633
nobody says the state should be dismantled
35b3d6 No.4913797
>>4913784
If so, we can still fix it.
12f68c No.4913803
>>4913615
>10% of tax money goes to defense
In 2015, it was 16% of the federal budget, and since we are spending more money than Russia, China, The United Kingdom, Japan, France, Iran, and India combined we are probably spending too much.
I'm all for slashing it down to ten percent.
35b3d6 No.4913846
>>4913803
But how many is into welfare?
Welfare should never, ever, be more than military spending.
Government exists to protect citizen, not to be their goddamn mother.
35b3d6 No.4913880
>>4913659
I begin to agree with this.
American industries should make american goods made by americans.
And americans should buy american goods.
Walmart sells chinese-made goods, they are supporting chinese, not american.
05894c No.4913888
>>4913659
>General Motors motto used to be "What's good for America is good for General Motors."
>
a company motto is just words. it's just PR.
>General Motors exported products.
How is exporting 'good'? Export is what you pay for import. You want to pay less for more i.e. more import less export.
You got it the other way round buddy.
>General Motors paid decent wages.. Walmart employees are on government assistance.
Walmart is not responsible for market conditions. Nobody is gonna pay you 2x your market value out of the goodness of their heart, doing so would make them uncompetitive and they will die and then you are back to square one again.
this is socialist logic, it doesn't work.
>This shit has an effect. It's called an "economic multiplier".. Simply put.. well paid workers have money to spend
A worker gets as much money as he produces. If everybody is making 2x their production where do you think the stuff they are buying is gonna come from?
And calling it 'economic multiplier' doesn't mean jackshit. A racefarmer in cambodia is an economic multiplier. Any income generating worker is an economic multiplier. there's nothing special about giving people 2x the value. that's just dumb socialist logic.
>This is a plan to protect American industry to create wealth for all.
protect it from what? competitors who can produce higher quality for lower price? And what do they do? if you 'protect' your car makers against the japs then the japs will 'protect' right back. then we end up with everything more expensive everywhere in the name of keeping uncompetitive organisations alive.
this is just corporate welfare. it's bad.
you seriously need to read an economic books, you are just spouting the same old tired entry-level fallacies.
05894c No.4913901
>>4913797
sure, you can, in the sense that a person can hit a hole in one 10 times in a row.
05894c No.4913920
>>4913803
that's nitpicking. 10% 15% 16%
the point is that defense spending is a small fraction of government spending, most of which goes to gibsmedats.
35b3d6 No.4913937
>>4913901
We have achieved success in the past before.
Let's do it again.
35b3d6 No.4913955
>>4913888
>if you 'protect' your car makers against the japs then the japs will 'protect' right back. then we end up with everything more expensive everywhere in the name of keeping uncompetitive organisations alive.
This is where it's wrong.
The japs are nationalist with jap first policy, this is why they buy japanese games, no matter how shitty, to support japanese brands over american games.
So yes, even if the quality is shit and the price is more, japs will prefer to buy jap shit over american shit.
And american should get back to that.
05894c No.4913956
>>4913937
it won't happen.
people are hooked on gibsmedats.
no matter how much logic you pile on them all they care about is that their gibsmedats won't be coming in every week no more.
35b3d6 No.4913970
>>4913956
The gibsmedat are a small number of this population.
Most people in the states still believe in the American Dream.
We can make America great again brah.
12f68c No.4913972
>>4913752
Union is communist creation?
Communists just seize control of the damn factory, they don't haggle over working conditions and wages.
The Soviets banned all independent labor unions.
I guess the Soviet Union was not "real communism" then just like /leftypol/ says.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_%28Polish_trade_union%29
and the United States had tons of labor unions in the 1940's.
There were labor unions trying to organize in the United States before Karl Marx ever put pen to paper.
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1678.html
If ignorance is bliss, you must be a very happy person. I bet you sit in a pool of your own urine and giggle for hours.
b3982c No.4913993
>>4913970
>The gibsmedat are a small number of this population.
over 40% is gibsmedat now
05894c No.4914040
>>4913970
>The gibsmedat are a small number of this population.
>
lol no. it's almost half now.
>Most people in the states still believe in the American Dream.
most people believe in the bit of american dream where they get rich. most of these don't believe in the bit where you have to work hard.
>We can make America great again brah.
me and you? it's two people. there are 100 millions getting gibsmedats.
35b3d6 No.4914074
>>4913993
>>4914040
That's still not the majority.
We can make it, brah.
115d2b No.4914078
12f68c No.4914086
>>4913955
This effect is not entirely the product of patriotic Japanese consumers.
Japan manipulated it's currency to keep it weak overseas and increase the cost of imports and promote domestic consumption.
35b3d6 No.4914109
>>4914086
Which in turns supports its domestic economy, while maintaining good quality and good brand in the eyes of westerners, because the local love it!
1fd584 No.4914138
>>4913633
SO FIX IT ALREADY YOU FAGGOT.
In the meantime, I am perfectly capable of mass murdering any fucking spics that set foot on my property and disposing of their bodies in environmentally friendly pig farms.
12f68c No.4914164
>>4914040
Gosh.. Maybe if there were better paying jobs than Walmart and McDonalds out there people wouldn't need to supplement their income with government aid.
Bring back Industry and this could change.
35b3d6 No.4914225
>>4913972
I just skim through that article, and all I see that union uses to be somewhat great, and it went full social justice at the end.
So I'm wrong about the US didn't have union, but the unions themselves are pretty pozzed.
35b3d6 No.4914238
>>4914164
I support bringing back the industry.
I do not support union.
05894c No.4914311
>>4914086
>Japan manipulated it's currency to keep it weak overseas and increase the cost of imports and promote domestic consumption.
so they want to manipulate the currency so that they have to pay more with export for less import?
Why would the world care when the japanese are subsidising their consumption. they should be thankful.
35b3d6 No.4914422
>>4914138
I'm voting for Trump.
He's bringing the jobs back and taxing foreign goods.
He will make american goods good again, like guns.
7e67e1 No.4914448
>>4914311
No, no, but you see it's good because.. uhh.. The Japanese will have a booming domestic sector.. and they'll really benefit from it! Dealing with other nations is an evil. As individual races and nations, it's only right that we should all be our own little islands unto ourselves. If we start trading internationally–next thing you know we'll have global competition, rising efficiency, and an expansive division of labor! I for one refuse to buy anything but AMERICAN goods!
35b3d6 No.4914468
>>4914448
No one opposes foreign trade, retard.
What matters is that we put our nation first.
American should buy american goods, and american industries should strive to be the best, quality-wise, to support the demand of american consumers.
Never again will there be chinese making the cheapest shit available so our fatties can buy it cuz it's cheap.
05894c No.4914493
>>4914164
>Gosh.. Maybe if there were better paying jobs than Walmart and McDonalds out there
but there are.
now if you have no skills, no experience, that's another story.
05894c No.4914513
>>4914468
>American should buy american goods
why though when the japanese can make superior product at a lower price?
why should somebody be able to sell inferior product for a higher price just because he's 'american'?
35b3d6 No.4914546
>>4914513
Japs do not make superior products though a lower price though, it's only because the labor of japanese do not have the same wage as american, and they manufacture that shit in-land, while we outsource shit.
>why should somebody be able to sell inferior product for a higher price just because he's 'american'?
Because we live in America. Americans support americans.
7e67e1 No.4914558
>>4914468
Right! American goods, FIRST! American shoes, American shirts, American food–self-sufficiency–no matter the expense!
They'll never make an article of clothing anywhere on God's green earth that has that soft, special, American feeling! Hurrah!
1fd584 No.4914616
>>4914546
>>4914546
>Japs do not make superior products though a lower price though
Are you fucking retarded? Have you never seen the difference in resale value between a Japanese and American vehicle? Their shit is FAR FUCKING superior to the shit we put out now.
>>4914558
>self-sufficiency–no matter the expense!
Even if the "expense" means everyone starves to death? Or is 100 years behind everyone else technologically? No, that's fucking retarded. Let the market work you fucking heathen.
35b3d6 No.4914662
>>4914616
The car we put out now isn't even made by us.
It's the damn chinks.
35b3d6 No.4914669
>>4914616
The market works by having the cheapest shit possible sell, which is why jap car does not sell as much as chink-made cars.
12f68c No.4914673
>>4913586
Getting paid in walmart bucks that can only be spent at Walwart is just as good getting paid in a currency accepted around the world.
12f68c No.4914701
>>4914493
And how are you supposed to get skills and experience when no one is hiring?
05894c No.4914706
>>4914546
>Japs do not make superior products though a lower price though
Then what's the problem? in that case nobody would buy jap stuff and we wouldn't need 'protection' now would we?
35b3d6 No.4914730
>>4914706
Only japs and hobbyists buy jap stuff.
We need protection from the amount of cheap chink shit that is flooding the market and destroy both american-made and jap-made goods.
05894c No.4914895
>>4914730
>We need protection from the amount of cheap chink shit
If it's 'shit', why would people buy it?
05894c No.4914909
>>4914701
Real life is not a computer game. There is no game-designer making a 'path' for you. You have to figure it out yourself.
35b3d6 No.4914952
>>4914895
Some people aren't educated customers and don't know better.
Example: iphone, it's shit, overpriced, made by the cninks, people still buy it.
05894c No.4914990
>>4914952
And here we arrive at the final conclusion. You think that you know better than everybody else what's good for them.
I can not argue against disrespect for other people's freedom and self-determination.
35b3d6 No.4915026
>>4914990
For video games, sure, but tech goods like smartphones?
There are chink phones that have objective better spec, and are cheaper, yet Iphone still sell over them.
Why?
37905d No.4915044
>>4913888
>How is exporting 'good'?
>How is making sales good?
05894c No.4915069
>>4915026
Because apple product is more fashionable.
If you don't understand then it's simply because you are an autist. Don't try to understand it, just know it exists.
05894c No.4915081
>>4915044
>>How is making sales good?
you tell me.
35b3d6 No.4915090
>>4915069
And that fashion, that meme, that social engineering destroys the idea of the free market.
If the free market does not indeed promote the good and cheap stuff, then maybe a part of the free market is faulty.
37905d No.4915102
05894c No.4915128
>>4915102
And why do you want revenue?
37905d No.4915134
>>4915128
To procure wealth?
05894c No.4915163
>>4915090
>And that fashion, that meme, that social engineering destroys the idea of the free market.
it destroys YOUR idea of the free market, that consumers ought to buy product based on technical specifications.
Fashion is perfectly rational. It's social advertisement. It's a way for people to communicate to others their value and capabilities. Fashion HAS to be expensive, because if the signal is not costly then it is meaningless, as everybody can fake it. Fashion HAS to change, because again, if it doesn't then people will be able to fake it.
Don't impose your autist world view on the rest of us thx.
>If the free market does not indeed promote the good and cheap stuff, then maybe a part of the free market is faulty
everything is working as intended. you just need to understand that your personal valuation of 'good' does not extend to other people.
05894c No.4915171
>>4915134
So if you could skip the revenue part, and go straight to procuring wealth i.e. stuff, would you?
35b3d6 No.4915188
>>4915163
I detest fashion in all things, so I don't agree with your view.
Tech goods should be good about the specs, the strength, not how it looks.
Function over form.
12f68c No.4915259
>>4913739
Ford perfected the assembly line,, which was designed to eliminate skill as much as possible from manufacturing.
Making a burger is actually more complex than doing one single task over and over again.
12f68c No.4915294
>>4914909
and since there is no game designer sometimes that "path" isn't there.
Sometimes the rules of the game changes and no one tells you.
35b3d6 No.4915343
>>4915163
So in this case, the market favors good that have no quality nor pricing incentive, just that it's fashionable.
No, I would say it goes around the idea of the free market promoting quality.
05894c No.4915384
>>4915188
it's not 'my' view. i simply stated the existence of another dimension of value by which consumers make their decisions.
05894c No.4915395
>>4915294
everybody has to figure it out. nobody is gonna hold your hands. deal with it.
35b3d6 No.4915398
>>4915384
Said value is the air.
You are not even buying a good product, you are buying because everybody tell you to.
99b796 No.4915417
>>4915398
Apple products everyone.
35b3d6 No.4915451
>>4915417
This is the problem, deep down.
Tech good becomes clothes i.e. fashion.
Objectivity becomes trend and fad.
123928 No.4915537
>Focusing on bits and pieces of the bigger picture: the thread.
The issue is far reaching. Because of corruption, any market will inevitable lead to a natural monopoly that will continue to consoledate power by taking from its people. The inevitable result is always two classes of people: the elite and the slaves. Sure, you'll have many levels in the middle (at all times, the distance between the second highest class and first is always extraordinary) but eventually, as time goes by, the richest groups will continue to shirnk to the point where only the super rich are capable of sustaining wealth through difficult times (be it war, economic downturns).
All groups in the middle are useful idiots who will be eliminated in the end when the job is complete (aka: they will be bleed dry until they are locked into poverty like the slaves who are in debt).
This is what happens when people accept a market without fully understanding it and refusing to address blatant corruption. They are slowly boiling in the pot, lossing wealth by the year until it is too late for them. By then, the people, long accustumed to the third world standard of living, are willing to accept a savior. This is where government control is put into action for the "greater good". Resources are stolen and redistributed with the help of the corporations (owned by the elites who survived the downturns).
Ofcourse no one actually sees how gov intervention is helping because there is no transparancy. They blindly believe what their government tells them because they were provided jobs. The small percentage of people who are provided jobs are now those who will defend the government they are completely dependant on.
Order out of chaos. Herding the sheep every now and then with the help of the dogs.
Multiple short term goals leading to a long term goal.
a9bcea No.4915646
>>4910605
Nice Y axis, faggot
12f68c No.4915683
>>4914238
Unions are not part of the government's action in this plan.
I was assuming the unions would make a comeback with American manufacturing.
However, they might not be evitable if the Industrialist provide good wages and working conditions.
Don't let this difference in our opinions put you off this plan.
12f68c No.4915768
>>4915395
Yeah.. let's just pretend this is just a matter of personal discipline and that America isn't in decline.
You're grandfather was not smarter than you, nor did he work harder.. He lived in a better economy with greater opportunities
35b3d6 No.4915789
>>4915683
Yeah, I agree.
Time to compromise on some issues.
We need to work together, for americans to buy american-made goods again.
05894c No.4915893
>>4915768
>You're grandfather
Im sure your grandfather knew how to spell 'your' properly.
15768c No.4915962
Wages don't rise because who needs to pay people more when everyone has access to credit?
Mass consumption can be artificially propped by providing easy and multiple credit sources for a population, you can pocket the difference between what you would pay someone in marketplace country versus the production country, keep wages in the production country down, and make interest from the people of the marketplace country for the convenience of using your line of credit!
000000 No.4916859
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>>4908938
>Mass Production requires Mass Consumption and the wages of the workers create demand.
Mass consumption is one of the Jew created cancers of the modern world, video related. Edward Bernays is one of the most poisonous kikes who ever lived.
The more quality goods is produced, and the more those are repaired and maintained instead of discarded and replaced, then the more hands will be freed up from manufacturing those goods and thus the more hands will be available to build rockets and colonize space.
Less consumption = exploring the planets and the deep seas
Industrialists motivated by self interest are never going to do this though, as less consumption means much less money for them, which is why individualist ideologies like kikebertarianism are poison to western civilisation.
Only when guided by a spirit of duty to one's people will they make the right choices.
e7eca1 No.4917049
>>4911652
I Agree, Do something for the betterment of the people and your country. Profit will follow
e7eca1 No.4917097
>>4912899
All good in theory, which is why free trade exists, but in reality we face what I call asshole economics. Example being, say domestically we can produce a ten dollar pair of shoes demand is for 100 a day requiring 10 workers. meaning a retailer can buy it at 10 and sell for 20 reasonably using 100% markup.
Now in a different country they can produce it for 5 and meet required demand. In Theory this is good because using a model of 100% markup it means we should now buy shoes for 10 dollars. In reality its not the case. retailers buy the 5 dollar shoes, up prices to 30 (no domestic producers now so fuck competition) and 10 shoe makers are out of a job.
Now how do you think that helps a country? long and short it doesn't. it exploits the system and damages the economy long term. Cannibalistic Capitalism
e7eca1 No.4917135
>>4913210
You forget one very important thing about welfare/ low income vs middle/upper class people. middle class/upper class usually earn far more than they spend because their fixed costs are more easily taken care of leaving greater disposable incomes often resulting in accumulation and saving proportionate to amount earned. But low income people tend to spend a very large percentage of their earnings on essentials and have little disposable income.
so by taking from the rich and giving to the poor you create a very effective boost to the economy and it multiplies if those needs are satisfied by domestic production.
e7eca1 No.4917204
>>4913888
you have some very outdated mindsets. Your comment on workers get paid what they produce is complete bullshit. its a fact that if min wage was tied to worker productivity since the 70s it would be around $30. Yet comparatively a CEO in the 30s make 20x what his lowest paid worker made, now I've heard estimates as high as 10,000 on some big companies and most of that is made by outsourcing and exploitation of their workers, which honestly isn't cool.
e7eca1 No.4917231
>>4915171
No, because that involves some sort of exploitation and/or stealing which is unethical. unless your a kike in finance.
12f68c No.4919004
>>4915893
Actually, he didn't. He didn't finish high school, and went to work in a meat packing plant, and owned his own home by the time he was twenty five.
What's your education level? Do you own your own home?
12f68c No.4919025
>>4917097
>Cannibalistic Capitalism
well phrased, sir.
Since the early 1970's, Multinational Corporate parasites have been dismantling the American Economy for a fast buck.
All of them hoping the other guy will employ Americans at decent wage so someone will buy their products.
59fee6 No.4922402
>>4913389
Wow, you're so educated. Please live longer than 21 years before opening your stupid mouth and betraying your own lack of experience.
Walmart doesn't pay living wages. GM allowed a man to raise a family in security, while the wife educated the young and kept the home. You fucking idiots just don't get it. It's all about cheap cheap! Like little chickens. Never stopping to look at this mess around you, never failing to blame anything but free trade and globalisation that got us here. And when you're painted into a corner, you just complain about how this "isn't the free market today". Fuck you. Go to work for starbucks or walmart with your degree because there are no good living wage jobs left in this country you sorry apologist for Bilderburg. Jesus. It's like we just somehow magically appeared in today's shitshow.
Fucking communist materialist by any other name. "Humans and their labor are just interchangeable parts!" Soul-sucking android.
>>4913457
I'm an idiot too! Freedom is more important than the rule of law, the identity of the nation, and it's foundational myths! Open the taps to cheap foreign goods made by financially dishonest, oppressive governments! It's the free-trade way :^)
One day you people will see it isn't just about widgets and cents. There is a spiritual aspect to this world that isn't economic. You're the kind of people that would let their parents die in old age because their job as a wal-mart greeter didn't pay enough. "Not my problem." Wow. Just wow.
59fee6 No.4922466
>>4917204
You can't talk to these people. They're religious. They know that they're not the ones on top, nor are they anywhere near them, but they fight and fight for the right of those people to poison our water, tax us to hell, steal our guns, and indoctrinate our children.
They don't yet get that they're dealing with a highly organized conspiracy by those individuals, and that they are equivalent to Jane Fonda in the 70's; a useful idiot of the oligarchy.
e86eaf No.4922504
>>4908938
This is a Must Read for everyone on /pol
Web of Debt, by Ellen Brown
https://media.8ch.net/pdfs/src/1420107340842-0.pdf
It tells the History of Economy, Nationalist Economy, and the American Struggle to keep the country free from Internationalist Bankers, a fact that was the primary cause of the American Revolution.