834505 No.4916714
For the sake of this argument we shall assume that purely medical drugs such as Aspirin are entirely helpful in nature.
We've all seen the stereotypical recreational drug user. Unmotivated, apathetic, unhealthy, and depending on addiction level quite possibly a criminal to support their habits. Excessive drug use can lead to psychosis, sometimes permanent. It can warp a person's state of mind and make then act in ways that they would not usually act. They can become a danger to themselves and others. A burden to their friends, family and society. They could be funding black market enterprises or otherwise undesirable organizations. And as /pol/ knows, it could make an individual succumb to degenerate lifestyles and philosophies.
But is responsible use possible? Would the occasional user whom merely indulges modestly and in the privacy of their own home after a long work week truly be "degenerate"?. What about the worker who uses mild stimulants to assist in their job so they can provide for their family? Many have accredited groundbreaking new ideas to psychedelic usage. And still others use drugs to improve their own performance, either physical or mental.
What are your thoughts on the subject?
00a2e8 No.4916744
baa527 No.4916752
>I smoke dudeweedlmao
/pol/ doesn't like that. OK
834505 No.4916792
>>4916744
It's a legitimate discussion topic.
>>4916752
>/pol/ is one person.
3bcee7 No.4916802
Go be a good goy somewhere else, degenerate.
1ead12 No.4916844
In the age of excess mental dysfunction, and boredom, recreational use is possible, but not likely. Mild stimulant use for work, or daily use of marijuana is not recreational. Since dependence and addiction occurs so often when drugs are cheap and readily availible, it best to avoid the temptation from start and not even get involved. Sobreity is a such a powerful tool, that is more dependable, healthy, and invigorating, than a "whoa man" experience every weekend. If you want a worldly experience of what drugs can do for you, step into your local AA meeting, they're everywhere, as addiction and excess are extremely common in our society.
834505 No.4916845
>>4916802
You'll notice, if you had even the slightest degree if reading comprehension, that I did not advocate either side and actually provided arguments against. However your leftist tier argument leads me to believe that it was well beyond your ability to understand.
802e82 No.4916847
>>4916714
>"Recreational" Drugs, universally degenerate?
Yes. Real men and women deal with their problems instead of running away from them like children.
/thread
014d80 No.4916854
>recreational drugs
Like alcohol and cigarettes? Well people are going to do it regardless what anyone here thinks.
baa527 No.4916856
>>4916847
>implying so hard
>/thread's his own post
b88ae2 No.4916870
Absolutely, Op.
The numerous benefits of occasional psychedelic use are well documented and studied.
People have been doing it for thousands of years, and will continue to do so.
>shills will deny this.
baa527 No.4916879
>>4916870
Dude ur just like escaping your problems XDXDXD
a6aa7b No.4916896
>>4916714
>"Recreational" Drugs, universally degenerate?
Yes.
a6aa7b No.4916898
>>4916792
It’s zero effort. Lurk the fuck more.
834505 No.4916900
>>4916854
While this is true, legality isn't exactly the point I want to discuss for this reason alone. Even alcohol and nicotine can be beneficial in moderation. However the addictive properties of both and the damage alcohol causes to the mind and body arguably negate any possible benefits.
>>4916847
Nearly anything can be abused as a coping mechanism, including but not limited to overeating. That problem would be more to do with the individual and not the substance in many cases.
e2d963 No.4916903
>There are people on /pol/ RIGHT NOW that think clouding your mind and body with chemicals and other shit helps
At times like these, I wish sage WAS a downvote.
ff5635 No.4916905
I smoke a little pot here and there.I use to smoke a lot when I was a kid then I grew up.I take care of my kids,work my ass off and I support Trump.
I take a few puffs maybe once or twice a week and it's always before I go to sleep.
Weed culture is fucked,just liberal shits trying to be edgy.
I think hard drugs and alcohol are degenerate as fuck.That shit makes you autistic.
ab7f0f No.4916909
before psychedelics I wanted to end it at certain times
now I'm a very bad goy :^)
834505 No.4916915
>>4916898
How does this make anything inherently bad if it has measurable benefits?
014d80 No.4916931
>>4916900
Recreation is its own benefit. Life would be miserable without it.
baa527 No.4916936
e79e9c No.4916947
Drugs are used to compensate for stress. Repeated use imbalances the nervous system for about a year, leading to bad personal outcomes. As we aren't living in paradise, stress can't be eliminated so these drugs must be prohibited. Psychedelics should not be prohibited because they aren't used to ameliorate stress and they have novel effects on human perception.
a6aa7b No.4916958
>>4916915
There aren’t benefits to these drugs. None which can’t be had by legal or safe activities, at least.
62b3c6 No.4916965
Certain drugs are not escapist. LSD for instance, it can force you to face reality. It's a test of a strong mind.
But not gonna waste my time here. If you're curious, and responsible, you'll do it anyway and not take advice from an image board.
ab7f0f No.4917001
>>4916947
>Psychedelics should not be prohibited because they aren't used to ameliorate stress
I agree with your conclusions except for this. They all relieve stress it's just that things like LSD make you start fixing yourself instead of wallowing in your 'high'.
A crude way of thinking of LSD is that it kills stress based helplessness temporarily.
dfb98e No.4917010
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>>4916844
Still the best soundtrack of any game I've ever played.
Thanks for reminding me, anon.
>>4916714
Drug abuse is typically a symptom of a far greater problem. If people have a purpose, such as a family to take care of or national service they are far less likely to abuse drugs. Drug use and all kinds of sexual degeneracy was rampant in Germany before uncle Adolf took power in 33, but when the folk had a purpose greater than themselves drug usage decreased dramatically.
To answer your question, no I don't think occasional recreational drug makes a person a degenerate. The idea that virtue exists simply because of the absence of vice is a puritanical Christian notion. An absence of evil does not absolve an absence of good.
The influence of stimulants and psychedelics on scientific, religious and cultural developments cannot be denied. Most every famous writer smoked tobacco; it's conductive of thinking and can allow for longer writing sessions. Many scientists and inventors used LSD and conceived of concepts that changed the world.
If any class of drugs should could be classified as exclusively harmful towards society , when used in a recreational capacity, it would have to be opiates, benzodiazepines and possibly alcohol.
43dd6d No.4917016
In the current times drug use attracts the weak minded, that is why they are dangerous. I think cause and effect are reversed in this situation. Its not that drug use implies degeneracy its that societal degeneracy will give rise to destructive drug use. Drugs have been used by humans for thousands of years before prohibition and humans have progressed exponentially with them.
Strong willed individuals in an ideal society would have no problem with even the most addictive drugs, because they would no when it is time to be high and when not to be. What is important is that one takes care of their responsibilities. Fun is not degenerate in and of itself, shirking responsibilities for fun are.
Drugs have purpose:
Opiates for pain and relaxation.
Uppers for productivity
Psychedelics for self-reflection and connection
So no, drug use is degenerate in context, not universally.
014d80 No.4917027
>>4917019
Ate so many mushrooms that he got brain cancer.
dfb98e No.4917043
>>4917027
>mushrooms cause brain cancer
sauce?
not sure if b8
1ead12 No.4917055
>>4917010
You say that drug abuse is a symptom of a far greater problem, but here's the way I see it. Let's take anxiety/depression for instance. You may have a drink or pop a pill because you are depressed/anxious for a day. They you do it every time you feel depressed anxious. then the drug starts wearing on you and you become depressed and anxious all the time, so you feed yourself a steady supply of the drug of your choice.
Yes, many of us become problem drinkers/users because some mental hangup or lack of dopamine, but the drug use carries it further down the line and exacerbates the original issue ten fold.
this line of reasoning is why many people don't think they are an alcoholic/drug addict, they think they are just self medicating, and that their real problem is their mental issue. When in reality if they just quit the bottle/dope for a few weeks, in most cases they realize that original issue was minor in comparison to the problem drinking/using they replaced it with.
4af3e9 No.4917056
>>4917043
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_McKenna#Death
it was brain cancer but >>4917027 is doing a correlation = causation thing
I don't think anyone knows the cause in mckenna's case
a3a5d7 No.4917083
I've seen a small town become a crime ridden hell hole because of Drugs
There is no doubt Drugs directly increase to an increase in crime but is that crime increase due to the drugs themselves or is it because the slippery slope of committing crimes where your average pothead thinks well I get away with drugs lets see what else I can do
Does anyone have crime statistics relating to places that legalised drugs
dfb98e No.4917095
>>4917055
You're definitely right that drug abuse exacerbates the preexisting condition, so maybe it's not fair to call it exclusively a symptom.
But what leads to the feeling of depression or anxiety that predisposes one to drug abuse?
For some it may be biological, but given how fucked the entire western world is right now I think the primary cause of the initial depression/anxiety is the state of things.
e7567f No.4917100
>>4916714
>What are your thoughts on the subject?
im stoned right now tbh fam. 👍
9bd961 No.4917116
>>4917019
He isnt wrong. But he is also the guy who liked to toss word salads to sound profound.
8e7828 No.4917121
No drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes.
dfb98e No.4917122
>>4917083
Portugal decriminalized the possession of all drugs, they still prosecute traffickers and dealers.
So far it's seemed to work pretty well.
Not that it's created a utopia as lolbertarians might imagine.
4af3e9 No.4917129
>>4917116
he did, half of what he says makes no fucking sense and word salad is the perfect term
934504 No.4917136
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>>4916965
Psychedelics, specifically LSD, are what ultimately led me here, and to my current worldview. Completely deprogrammed the cultural indoctrination we are immersed in from birth. These realizations fucked me up for a while, and started me on the path of a drive for self-sufficiency and strength. I'd probably still be a democrat degenerate pleb if I hadn't awakened myself as I did.
46aca1 No.4917150
I smoke weed after I come home to my long-term, white gf and dog after a long day of work. I don't really feel like that's degenerate.
Some former friends of my friends went full DUDEWEEDLMAO, and now they are full blown sacks of shit. Such degeneracy has no place in my life, but a bongrip after work is nice.
8e7828 No.4917153
>>4917136
I never needed to eat mushrooms or fry to actually read into the holocaust and hitler
I may have before, but I was even more closed minded back then
If you'd told me I'd love hitler 6 years ago I'd call you a fucking psycho and go back to my drugs
609fbb No.4917173
>>4916931
This. There's a time and place for everything.
9bd961 No.4917182
>>4917153
I think this is an issue that is way more complex than anyone likes to admit. In the end it seems to more come down to the person and who they are. I can say that for sure they made me a better person in the long run but im not a fucking degenerate about my use.
dfb98e No.4917214
>>4917121
I know a certain doctor that would like to have a word with you, anon.
>Certainly there is need for public regulation of the great moral foundations of our national life. However, some nonsense is also spreading that attempts to reach beyond that to establish a code for the purely personal conduct of individuals.
>That leads eventually to a moralism that is everything other than National Socialist.
>Peculiar people whose life is either behind them, or have no right to have one ahead of them, preach moralism in the name of our revolution. This moralism often has nothing in common with true morality. They proclaim ethical laws that might be appropriate for a nunnery, but are entirely out of place in a modern cultural state.
>An example. In a major central German city an advertising poster for a soap company showed a fresh, attractive girl holding the soap package in her hands. A moral knight who unfortunately had the right to determine the fate of this poster forbade its distribution on the ground that it offended the moral sensibilities of the population, since the woman in the poster was holding the soap in a place “that for moral reasons cannot be described more precisely.”
>What is moral about this? The person announcing the ban, who presumes that other people share his dirty fantasies, or the German people and the National Socialist movement, that are rightly upset and in opposition to such a ridiculous action?
>Investigating the matter, we find that this wonderful citizen discovered his attraction for National Socialism three months after we took power, which however did not stop him from issuing the ban in the name of National Socialism.
>Things have gone so far that this company of moralists does not stop at the borders of private life. They would love to establish purity committees in cities and the countryside that would keep on eye on Müller’s and Schulze’s love and marriage life. It is true that they do not want to go so far as to ban kissing altogehter, as in the familiar operetta, since it is too popular a pastime. If it were up to them, however, they would turn National Socialist Germany into a wasteland of muttering and complaining, a place where denunciation, spying, and extortion were the order of the day.
>These same moralists often turn to government offices with the request to ban films, plays, operas, and operettas, since the dancers, stars, etc., apparently represent a grave danger to public decency. If we gave in to their demands, we should soon see only old ladies and men on the screen or the stage. The theaters would be empty, since the public generally does not attend them to see the same people they see in church or old people’s homes.
>Save us from these hypocritical creatures who have no genuine strong conception of life, and who in reality preach no honest morality. They generally are life’s losers, protesting life itself. Eternal life and its laws will hardly make way for them; at most, they will hide behind a screen of contemptible hypocrisy and dishonest prudery.
>They think that the German woman should not go out alone, she should not sit alone in a restaurant, she should not go out with a boy or even an S.A. man without a chaperone for a Sunday afternoon excursion, she should not smoke, she should not drink, she should not wash up and make herself pretty, in short she should do everything to keep the evil interest of a man away from her. That is, at least, is how these midget moralists think a German woman should behave. And woe to the poor womanly creature who has the misfortune to transgress against one of these laws. Of course, no German woman will have bobbed hair, since only Jewesses and other contemptible creatures do that.
>Have these moral trumpeters any idea how they slander and demoralize millions of German women with their preaching, women who bravely and honestly do their duty in life and on the job, who are good comrades to their men and sacrificing mothers for their children?
>Don’t they realize that they embarrass National Socialism throughout the world, that they are thirty years too late, or that one must take them to task because they are beginning to be annoying? There are good and bad women, decent and less decent women, some with bobbed hair, some without. Whether or not they powder their noses is not a sign of their inner worth, and if they occasionally smoke a cigarette at home or in society, they do not need to feel rejected or cast out.
>In any event, these moralists should not sit in judgment over women, whether they are enemies or even if like all real men they wish women happiness, relaxation, and domestic peace, though their stuffy superiority would keep women from it.
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dfb98e No.4917222
>>4917214
>They think it is not National Socialist to enjoy life; but rather one should only look at the dark side of human existence. Pessimism and suspicion are the best teachers in our earthly vale of sorrows. A true National Socialist has no cause to protect these miserable creatures. Primitiveness and absolute rejection of pleasure are the only character values to these people. If one has a clean and a dirty collar, one puts the dirty one on to give evidence of his hatred of bourgeois values. A man with a good and a bad suit wears the bad one, particularly for festive occasions, for it shows the astonished world how revolutionary his outlook is. He dislikes joy and laughter; people should have nothing to laugh about.
>Are we living in a pietistic state, or in the age of life-affirming National Socialism?
>No one can suspect us of wanting to live lives of ostentation or luxury. The Führer and many of his close comrades neither smoke nor drink nor enjoy sumptuous living. Those, however, who want to rob a nation of sixty million of every pleasure and all traces of optimism are contemptible, entirely aside from the fact that their foolish desires would drive countless people into poverty and misery.
>Every banned activity makes more people unemployed; if no one can drive a car, the automobile factories will shut down, if no one wears a new suit, the looms and tailors will have nothing more to do; if people no longer attend movies or the theater, hundreds of thousands of stage and film employees will depend on public assistance.
>To take joy and pleasure from a people means to make it unfit for its struggle for its daily bread.
>He who does that sins against our reconstruction efforts and embarrasses the National Socialist state before the whole world.
>The result would be a dreary impoverishment of our public life. That we will not accept.
>We do not want to abolish pleasure, but rather to let as many as possible share in it. That is why we encourage people to attend the theater, that is why we give workers the opportunity to dress well for festive occasions. That is the reason behind Kraft durch Freude. That is why we shake off the agents of a prudish hypocrisy, why we do not allow decent, hard-working people who have every reason to need relief from their hard daily labors, who need to reaffirm life, to recover from the weariness, cares, and burdens of every day, to have their necessary pleasures ruined by the eternal chicanery of these pedants.
>We need more affirmation of life and less complaining! More morality, but less moralism!
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4af3e9 No.4917225
>>4917189
fun fact: weed makes you dumb
and by dumb I mean (and not everyone but a lot of people), it makes you fail to remember basic words, unable to think of specific words, just fucks your shit up fam
it makes you go from sharp to dull
I wish I wasn't speaking from experience. Used to be quick wit and all that shit now I feel like I come off as a fucking retard sometimes.
8e7828 No.4917241
>>4917214
>>4917222
No drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes.
Man does not need to smoke nor ingest anything to enjoy their own selves and the comfort of their surroundings.
81accb No.4917249
>>4917241
So I guess you must be in favor of Islam?
8e7828 No.4917251
>>4917225
God damnit this, I can't name how many times my vocabulary has completely hsit out on my and im left hanging like an old codger kike with my fingers snapping trying to think of a fucking word that isn't hard to remember.
Don't do drugs.
8e7828 No.4917252
>>4917249
I'm in favour of putting you on the end of a spear in the desert, yes, muhammed.
81accb No.4917264
>>4917252
Try it keyboard warrior. First off, not muslim. Second off I would relish the chance to see you try.
dfb98e No.4917268
>>4917225
I've observed a similar phenomena in longtime friends, but they all used it excessively.
I also know two other that used more moderately and now attend ivy league schools.
Drug abuse, even just weed, will definitely fuck your shit up though, but moderation is key.
8e7828 No.4917282
>>4917264
Reminder the jewish people (golems) were abandoned by their god YHWH on 160 a.d.
81accb No.4917283
>>4917282
No shit sherlock, jews are fucking scum.
760f08 No.4917288
>>4916870
this is the most underrated post and pic related is the truth
8e7828 No.4917293
>>4917283
It's cute when semites thin they will get special treatment
dfb98e No.4917294
>>4917241
If you want to be straight edge, good for you, I encourage it infarct.
Do you honestly expect to gain public support for an ideology that's already fringe when you have a shariah attitude towards all vices though?
760f08 No.4917296
>>4917288
btw in case your new to the show evey thing you do know is wrong
81accb No.4917298
>>4917293
All i see is delicious uncooked bacon.
dfb98e No.4917305
>>4917282
bretty ballz to piss on a quran in sand people land tbh.
760f08 No.4917306
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>>4917288
cheking em hitler dubs while taking a toke.
609fbb No.4917352
>>4917225
>>4917251
I've been smoking pot for 8 years and have had only good experiences and never dropped one IQ point. It was only after taking stimulants that I lost some capacity.
In my experience pot will only make you dull if you are just smoking it and not doing anything. If you are actually doing something that could benefit from amplification like taking a walk through the woods, playing in a band with people, or having a deep conversation with an intelligent person then you are going to benefit greatly from being stoned.
dfb98e No.4917365
>>4917352
How many marijuanas do you inject and how often do you inject marijuanas, senpai?
Smoke once in a while and don't want to lessen my mental acuity
ab7f0f No.4917368
>>4917352
weed is like the zika baby of shrooms tbh fam
baa527 No.4917377
>>4917352
I feel you fam. I smoke semi-often, although I haven't smoked in about a month and a quarter, I like to talk long breaks so when I do get high I get so incredibly stoned that I hallucinate and shit.
000000 No.4917388
>>4916714
>But is responsible use possible?
No. Druggies always boasts that the stimulant jew is a way to "enlightenment" and that it has made see outside the status que, but in real life they accomplish nothing of value and all they spew is esoteric nonsense.
This tells you you that the drugs have not heightened their senses but in fact crippled their reason.
609fbb No.4917403
>>4917365
Everyday for years. I spent literally $100,000 of inheritance on pot and organic food. Honestly just don't let it control your life and just give in to science, music, and mathematics. Let the cannabis show you reality and don't just live to get high.
>>4917368
I'm to insane to try shrooms. I'm afraid I would think I was jesus or a turnip.
000000 No.4917415
>>4917403
>I spent literally $100,000 of inheritance on pot and organic food.
>just don't let it control your life
Comments are superfluous.
baa527 No.4917423
>>4917403
>I spent 100,000 dollars on stuff that costs money to own
Huge surprise
dfb98e No.4917448
>>4917403
NIGGA YOU COULDA BOUGHT A MUTHA FUCKIN FERRARI NIGGA!
609fbb No.4917460
>>4917415
>>4917423
It's just money goys, parting with your homies is all you got in life. The IRS fucked me over on millions of dollars not letting any Americans invest in bitcoins when I was ready to buy several mining rigs. I forgot about that 100,000 the day litecoins went from 30 cents to 5 dollars overnight.
106972 No.4917477
>>4917368
>>weed is like the zika baby of shrooms tbh fam
>mfw
toppest kek
>>4917377
this is the right way to do it
ee5189 No.4917483
>a-all drugs are bad for you!
>even alcohol!
>you have to be one hundred percent pure! like m-me!
If you get high once or twice a month in the weekends, you're not gonna be on your ass.
Personally I only smoke once every now and then, and only in weekends. Never on sundays.
6eb8b6 No.4917485
>>4917016
>societal degeneracy will give rise to destructive drug use
This
I like your idea of restricting drug usage to where it assists clear societal functions.
But you've identified the main problem with modern drug usage, in that it's almost purely for recreational purposes
>>4917288
Oh fuck off, you're not doing anything towards "overthrowing the system" by blazing it and laughing at children's cartoons, or tripping balls on LSD.
If anything growing drug usage - and acceptance of it - has made Western populations even more politically apathetic.
If the "war on drugs" ended right now I'm sure that most of the complaints about the American prison system would evaporate overnight
3107ff No.4917490
>>4917403
>I spent literally $100,000 of inheritance on pot and organic food
fucking why?
I have a couple plants and haven't needed to buy pot since i got them on a good cycle.
as for psychedelics, they don't bring you enlightenment, but they can teach you a lot about yourself, not entirely degenerate but can lead to degeneracy.
what I really want to know is what does /pol/ think of mdma and mda? i've used them sparingly and found both extreme benefits and drawbacks.
09faa7 No.4917513
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>>4917027
Do you want to live forever?
3bcee7 No.4917515
As expected, the /fringe/ faggots and /b/ children have invaded the thread, as happens every time this subject is brought up on /pol/.
3107ff No.4917533
>>4917515
>kabballah isn't jewish
gets me every fucking time
baa527 No.4917542
>>4917477 (checked)
I've smoked twice/three times a day for like a month before, and I can say that it's total shit.
>barely even get high, even when I smoked a blunt with the thickness of a quarter
>my lungs hurt
>just fucks my social situations all up
106972 No.4917543
>>4917490
>what I really want to know is what does /pol/ think of mdma and mda?
ive been looking for a high quality supply for some time now, but not luck yet.
I think it can be useful in minimal doses, combined with other actives.
If you use it to sperg out to EDM, its degenerate poison.
0bef97 No.4917544
>>4916714
>medical drugs
You mean medicine with no arousing effects.
Fuck off druggie. No weed for your degenerate ass.
609fbb No.4917547
>>4917490
It's really hard to grow around here, they are really on top of busting people and its like a 10 year sentence for anything over 4 plants. And I didn't just blow tho bills in a few months I lived off it for 4 years and made a couple decent investment to keep it going even longer. I should have invested it but at least I learned a lot and had a blast enjoying it with my fellow comrades.
As for Mdma, everyone I know who has messed around with it has gone full retard. Its to much of a feel good drug maybe but It could be good if your lacking in the social intelligence.. But still i'd just stick to beer, pot, and coffee.
>>4917448
hahaha yea but Insurance would have been silly and I would have probably crashed the baby driving to eccentric music.
f5d711 No.4917558
>>4917189
Congratulations America, your election too will be determined solely based on the "weed vote".
09faa7 No.4917566
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>>4917283
Psychedelic sunglasses
3107ff No.4917567
>>4917547
>It could be good if your lacking in the social intelligence
these were the benefits I'm talking about, thanks for the input.
>It's really hard to grow around here, they are really on top of busting people
understandable, I wouldn't be growing right now if I had to do it illegally.
>>4917543
>If you use it to sperg out to EDM, its degenerate poison.
agree with this as well, high grade mdma/mda is really the only way to go, bad shit can probably fry your brain with some of the things they throw in there.
84ea6a No.4917568
If you think the CIA/Rothschild/Rockefeller/Tavistock/Jew psychologists wanted to "free your mind" and make everyone "more spiritual", you're fucking deluded, m8s. Or maybe you're so new you don't know about all that shit. The only thing they were interested in "breaking down" was Western Civilization.
834505 No.4917588
>>4917544
The term is drug you leftist chucklefuck.
dec330 No.4917592
>>4916714
Well if you question that, you might as well question any activity that procures any chemical compound that provides interesting effects: as such, being in love, practicing a sport, and plain being happy, are degenerate, because yes, those actions causes our bodies to release compounds that deeply affect us. Sure, those are "part of us" in a way, but really it does not change much, as we pursue those things mostly for the pleasure they provide us. So I'm not that much against using external means, as in drugs. And yes, it can be done responsibly.
Irresponsibility seems to me to come from taboos and prohibition: just look at the concept of "spring break" in the US: let's drink and have sex! Yay! Americans like to act prudish and puritan, like they're not degenerate, being shocked when a woman accidentally shows a nipple on TV, yet subject themselves to periods of complete degeneracy that are diametrally opposed to the values they claim to uphold.
I'm myself from a culture where we drink a lot of wine, and I guess you know which one I'm talking about. Drinking wine, beyond the taste, provides many kinds of pleasure, and certainly people don't abuse wine that much, because there's no taboo and it's okay to drink wine all year. We are also quite open about sex, not like it's a public matter, but people do talk about it with each other, and there's no need to organize holidays just to have sex. Weed is easy to find, albeit illegal, yet legal in some neighboring countries. Want to smoke some? You can! Yet no one abuses it, and very, very few does it even what would qualify as "often". Because there is neither taboo nor prohibition, people get responsible: many wilfully never drink, nor smoke, nor are complete sexual degenerates.
People having problems with those things are plain irresponsible. If drugs, alcohol and sex didn't exist, they would still be complete failures of human beings. Hence drugs aren't a problem, people have problems.
609fbb No.4917595
>>4917377
Yea I also agree if you can limit it to once or twice a month then you most likely won't get addicted and feel the need to toke every single day like many "stoners".
>>4917567
Yea mate the problem is %90 of the "molly" or "mdma" is actually just meth tho and you reallllllyyyyy don't want that. All of the commercial stuff is bunk I have no idea how you would find a legit source. It's all about the environment your in when your taking drugs and with mdma you'd want to have friends you can trust around or even better a nice girl.
09faa7 No.4917600
>>4917568
> CIA/Rothschild/Rockefeller/Tavistock/Jew psychologists
did not create psilocybin ,mescaline,
or Cannabis.
,
106972 No.4917612
>>4917592
> If drugs, alcohol and sex didn't exist, they would still be complete failures of human beings. Hence drugs aren't a problem, people have problems.
this
Drugs rarely turn decent folks into useless fags, its just that the majority of people nowadays are shit to begin with.
f2f361 No.4917619
>>4916714
Yes, no respectable leader in history used drugs for hedonistic purposes.
>>4916744
This is a legit discussion question. The "is X degenerate" concept only applies when someone makes an obvious bait/D&C/slider thread without any legit content, or no content at all. OP is actually making a valid discussion thread.
>>4916752
>hee-hee, yes! the ebil nadsays say you can't like weed because they are the ultimate cis white male devils who are oppressing everyone else!
0bef97 No.4917622
>>4917588
Yeah let's destroy language and remove the word medicine entirely from vocabulary!!!
And you dare call me a leftist.
6eb8b6 No.4917628
>>4917592
>Irresponsibility seems to me to come from taboos and prohibition
Yeah, you can fuck right off with that Frankfurt School/Authoritarian Personality bullshit that "repression" is the cause of all dysfunction
>just look at the concept of "spring break" in the US: let's drink and have sex! Yay!
I don't think anyone that enjoys "spring break" is some sort of straitlaced no-sex-outside-LTRs teetotaler for the rest of the year
baa527 No.4917632
>>4917595
I can testify, contrary to what "weedlmao"'s would tell you, weed is kinda addictive. Not strongly, but I certainly felt urges to use it when I had not for a couple days. The way I use it now I really don't feel too many urges to use.
834505 No.4917635
>>4917622
Maybe retard would be a more fitting moniker. You were implying my usage was incorrect, and it wasn't.
3bcee7 No.4917638
Gee, what a surprise.
>>>/leftypol/533722
0bef97 No.4917651
>>4917635
>you were implying
>MY FEELINGS WERE HURT SO I LASH OUT, APOLOGIZE AND CHANGE YOUR TONE TO THE ONE I LIKE
Actual leftist spotted.
Fuck off degenerate.
834505 No.4917658
>>4917638
>leftists talk about drug use
>thus we can't talk about drug use
Is that what you are trying to say? If so it's moronic.
3bcee7 No.4917666
>>4917658
>too 'dude weed lmao' too see that OP is a /leftyprole/ faggot and that people in this thread are /leftyprole/ and /fringe/ crossposting cancer
baa527 No.4917668
>>4917658
I think he means
>SAME THREAD ON TWO BOARDS
3107ff No.4917674
>>4917666
spooky trips is right.
834505 No.4917676
>>4917651
You become less coherent with every post, it's pretty fucking neato.
baa527 No.4917685
0bef97 No.4917687
>>4917676
Not my fault leftists like you would fail a mirror test.
834505 No.4917699
>>4917666
>Too fucking retarded to realize that I am OP
You're in no place to criticize mental deficiencies caused by drug use, friend.
09faa7 No.4917701
>>4917566
Oops, meant to quote
>>4917288
3bcee7 No.4917705
>>4917699
I have an excuse: it's fucking 4am.
Now fuck off.
834505 No.4917719
>>4917705
Eat shit you ebulnatzee wannabe twat. You want to mirror perfection in your ideology then fucking act like it, no excuses!
ee5189 No.4917752
>>4917705
It's almost as if you're trying to sabotage a reasonable discussion.
I wonder who that could be.
:^)
dec330 No.4917766
>>4917628
>I don't think anyone that enjoys "spring break" is some sort of straitlaced no-sex-outside-LTRs teetotaler for the rest of the year
Uh, yeah sure.
5ab964 No.4917781
>"recreational" drugs
Top goy. Mandatory executions for anybody caught selling drugs. Labor for anybody who caught possessing drugs multiple times.
106972 No.4917806
>>4917781
>Top goy. Mandatory executions for anybody caught selling drugs.
Why dont you just join the amish?
472af4 No.4919503
>>4917282
why is his piss individual droplets instead of a single stream? wtf…
8aa379 No.4919526
>>4917705
OOYYY GEVALT I MUST GET UP EARLY TO GO TO THE KIBBUTZ AND PICK PENNIES FROM THE PENNY TREE
62b3c6 No.4919617
0a9905 No.4919619
>>4916714
>For the sake of this argument we shall assume that purely medical drugs such as Aspirin are entirely helpful in nature.
You god damned idiot. Aspirin caused my mother's hearing loss. This is complete bullshit. I mean who in the fuck do you think you are to post something like " Aspirin are entirely helpful in nature.".
If anybody deserves a fucking baseball bat upside the head, it's people who make statements like this.
0a9905 No.4919633
>>4917781
How about Hard labor for anyone grossing more then 3.5 million personal per year. How about that SCUM.
8e7828 No.4919688
>>4917352
You're using it as a crutch and you're worse off because of it, thanks for playing degenerate
a6aa7b No.4919702
>>4916714
>thread still exists
>people still replying without sage
d7eb37 No.4919734
Reminder: Hitler regularly administered meth, steroids and/or cocaine to soldiers whom he deemed as important, so they could fight for prolonged periods of time (cocaine in the right doses could give them 4 days of unstoppable action…definitely an attractive dilemma to say the least). I'd say he also took drugs.
507b31 No.4919891
>>4919734
You've got them mixed up, methamphetamine is what would keep you up for four days. Cocaine won't.
/pol/ needs to learn some (neuro)pharmacology
65ff2a No.4919955
I think, and it seems a couple people agree with me here, that the drugs themselves are not necessarily the problem, its the degenerate and hedonistic culture that forms around them. In my perfect society, most recreational drugs (alcohol, weed, psychedelics) would be legal, but their use as a way to ignore your life would be ostracized socially.
0a9905 No.4920009
>>4917055
Good post , but strong will can overcome anything. So strong willed people can use certain drugs as they can apply. However Alcohol is a risky venture, and under no circumstances should one indulge in any opiates except possibly during occasional injury for pain.
I truly believe people who take opiates and abuse them are far more likely to have ancestors of people enslaved by the Arabians and Persians or to be Judens or Mud blood.
54f2c7 No.4920055
>>4916870
Agreed. Psychedelics are one of the most important tools a human can have for understanding his brain
If done in the proper way (alone, eyes closed, in the dark, no sound) 5gs of Mushrooms will literally make you see the face of "god" in a way no other thing on earth ever has
They also helped with my depression.
All drugs are fine if you are competent. Obviously don't do any drug every day, but alternating your consciousness is fun and sometimes profound.
Not to mention all the historical evidence that humans have used mushrooms and other psychedelics ritual for thousands of years.
Honetly most of us on /pol/ could use a bit more open minds, that doesn't mean becoming a liberal cuck but sometimes it's good to be reminded that in the grand scheme of reality no human really knows shit
fd5f46 No.4920472
>DUDE WEED LMAO
RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS
3a2cd7 No.4920679
if you have the means and know how to make a substance or grow a plant in your own home you should be able to use that shit for whatever you want. selling those drugs is where i take issue, as that makes it way too easy for people to get them and allows for the degenerate lifestyle most addicts pursue.
1ad05d No.4920956
>>4916870
Psychedelics help you see outside the narrative frame, and MDMA is fantastic for fixing PTSD.
Any drugs that the jews try to sell you are shit. Dude weed lmao, cocaine, heroin, pills, they're all addiction traps.
There are definitely "white man" drugs.
Polite sage for a shitty thread.
32a76b No.4921090
"recreational" drugs are degenerate.
Using psychedelics for vision quest is non-degenerate.
fbed63 No.4921117
>>4919526
Hahaha fantastic
ff1a0c No.4921277
>>4916714
About 70% of users are functional, and something about 7% addicted.
ff1a0c No.4921298
f5cbcd No.4921301
>>4921280
I still want to try pharma grade oral meth once, just for the nazi nostalgia.
ff1a0c No.4921340
>>4916909
Psychedelics used once every other month cured my depression.
0a9905 No.4921373
>>4921301
Its called Desoxyn. It is prescribed for weight loss. Clean medical grade meth used tactifully is a wonderful drug with exeptions.
I believe the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe did pull Pervitin or Tank Chocolate advisory because during warfare it does require good sleep recovery , building back precursors or Tryptophan, 5 HTP, Melatonin, ETC.
0a9905 No.4921384
>>4921301
Its called Desoxyn. It is prescribed for weight loss. Clean medical grade meth used tactifully is a wonderful drug with exeptions.
I believe the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe did pull Pervitin or Tank Chocolate advisory because during warfare it does require good sleep recovery , building back precursors or Tryptophan, 5 HTP, Melatonin, ETC.>>4921340
0a9905 No.4921401
>>4921340
MDMA is used to treat PTSD when used with positive reinforcement. It's a amazing treatment approach for first responders and War veterans.
Although so is good old Love and nurturing.
ff1a0c No.4921423
>>4917010
>The idea that virtue exists simply because of the absence of vice is a puritanical Christian notion. An absence of evil does not absolve an absence of good.
This. You can be a virtuous drug user, way better than a white-washed puritanical person with a sickness of will they confuse with good consciousness and righteousness.
Most puritans are afraid of drugs because they know they cant controll them and bring their darker sides up.
People who can use drugs properly see them as allies and tools. They help develop the personality, character, and explore the big mysteries of consciousness and life.
Chronic abuse of drugs such as Pothead culture is absolutely decadent.
People having reasons to live, responsibilities, good work, who do a great job at work, who take care of themselves and theirs, and also use drugs recreationally… hell they must be some of our best citizens; I like them more than emotionally manipulating puritan pastors feeding bullshit Desert Chronicles to our youth's minds.
f5cbcd No.4921465
>>4921373
>Its called Desoxyn.
Yea i know, actually Pervitin was legal here in germoney up until the late 80s.
>It is prescribed for weight loss.
Now thats just silly
Here you can only get it for heavy ADD and related psych-issues, no way im getting that on my resume.
Ill try and get some over the deepweb eventually, seems to be the only way to get clean stuff nowadays besides DIY.
I can DIY alot, but thats out of my league.
0a9905 No.4921504
f5cbcd No.4921548
5fd8c7 No.4921628
Drugs are tools, but often abused.
Drugs are not the only example of a good thing turned degeneate. There are people in this world who are jobless and play chess all day, people who do the same with vidya, and we often see blacks do this with basketball. Does that mean that all of these things are inherently bad, with no positive effects on the mind and body? No.
We see stimulants, such as caffeine, used responsibly all the time due to it's normalization. We see alcohol used responsibly all the time on weekends with friends. There are still people now who abuse both of these substances, however.
In regards to drugs, are best bet as a society is high-regulation in order to keep consumers safe (such as barriers to access), and the outlawing of anything too harmful (such as crack cocaine, and many opiates such as heroin).
The extreme view that enhancing human cognition, strength, etc, through substances as being wrong holds back the evolution of our species.
There's a huge difference between use and abuse.
0a9905 No.4921636
f2cb8d No.4921842
>>4916714
I dont care about what you use. I care about what you abuse. Most substances can be used as a darwinian trial course for mastering self control. And every substance, choclate and vegetables included, can be used to fail this course.
>>4916847
It was you I was looking for. The one dense faggot who became addicted after drinking his first beer and now pushes islam-tier faggotry to try and convinse other people that his personal failure holds universal value. Im glad for you if sober is what you need to be. But you have not really come to terms with your personal failure if you come here to try and convince people that your shortcomings apply to them as well.
039d72 No.4921868
>>4919891
This
Cocaine only lasts for like 15 minutes.
ff1a0c No.4921869
>>4917352
I never miss words nor feel stupid when I get stoned with highly educated/articulated friends and discuss art, politics, morals, philosophy etc…
Weed helps you wander a lot, and you can derrail a lot, but it is not to blame for dimwits.
Dimwits and mentally ill people gravitate towards drugs and druggie circles, because people are mostly fucked up all the time and don't discriminate them.
ff1a0c No.4921885
>>4917388
This is true about EVERY wook.
Every Acidmath user boasting about being enlightenned and their stupid wire wrapped crystals and their raves.
But then again, DNA was discovered during an Acid trip.
It is the users, not the drug, to blame.
ff1a0c No.4921924
>>4917377
This, when I smoke (once per month) I fucking TRIP. It is super intense and enjoyable, I get all over the place, enjoy music, sing, drink some, make jokes to myself, go crazy and then watch a couple fun movies and sleep like a baby.
The next day I feel perfectly normal.
0f9acf No.4921937
I wish I could say different, but I can't.
Psychedelic drug use, specifically including marijuana, harms the ability for the mind to think clearly. Some damage may be permanent.
There are legitimate uses for these some of these drugs, but that is not recreational use.
de0633 No.4921984
Is LSD degenerate?
It's honestly the only drug ive ever thought about taking never tried drugs but if i did LSD would be my choice
LSD doesn't make you degenerate like alcohol or marijuana
What do you think /pol/?
609fbb No.4922274
>>4919688
Yea it is probably a crutch for me TBH. But I'm the type of person that actually need drugs because I am OCD and have severe anxiety and depression. So I personally think weed has benefited my life being able to stay away from SSRI's, benzo's, and alcohol. I can only speak for myself and I'm probably a rare case. I also only smoke 3-4 hits in the morning and 3-4 hits in the afternoon so I don't even get high %99 of the time, I actually use it medicinally.
>>4921869
>get stoned with highly educated/articulated friends and discuss art, politics, morals, philosophy etc…
>Dimwits and mentally ill people gravitate towards drugs and druggie circles.
Indeed. Dimwits should stay away from pot IMO, It makes dull people more dull. But It can also be a tool to expand your mind if you know what your doing.
>>4920956
Lumping weed, pills, coke, and heroin together? You must not know what your talking about. Coke, heroin, and several pills will WREAK you in DAYS while I know scientists who have smoked weed daily for 40 years.. Look up Carl Sagan for starters.
507b31 No.4922347
>>4921984
read some stalinslav grof
463260 No.4922426
>>4920055
LSD MDMA and DMT require respect.
How do you show respect and avoid bad trips? Follow these Strictures.
Mindset
Setting
Purity
Companions
Anchors
Mindset means you go in with neutral emotions, because emotional turbulence leads to a hell on earth captured in the theater of your mind.
Setting refers to where this takes place. I reccomend a place with lots of trees grass and greenery preferably within short walking distance of a convienience store.
You also have to set aside three days with no plans or responsibilities or contact with the outside world.
Purity involves finding pure specimens. For MDMA (or Emma) You should look for a dirty looking white crystal not unlike a moon rock, a strong sandalwood smell and the thing should be intact, no tablets. No capsules.
Companions
The people you bring with you as support have to know each other as well as possible (on a scale of one to ten; 1-perfect stranger, 5-personal aquaintence, 10-battle buddy).
And you must all consume at once, in ritual so as to hit all at the same time. For Emma? Measured, powdered doses in glasses, water poured in while seated at a table and drunk as a group all at once, repouring and swirling the glass to be sure all is consumed.
Anchors
Anchors are mild substances that keep you from "flying off" farther than you can handle. Cigarettes, cigarillos, whiskey, coffee, tea.
Normal things, everyday things.
For Emma espically makes you smoke like a factory and gets kind of dull a few hours in. I'm not kidding. It's even worse if you've been at it for three days. That's what your smokes and booze are for.
Hope this helps
e12ec5 No.4922464
>Aspirin are entirely helpful in nature
Well this is off to a great start: one of the leading causes of overdose deaths in the world is apparently "entirely helpful in nature"
>We've all seen the stereotypical recreational drug user. Unmotivated, apathetic, unhealthy
I've seen more people like this who don't use "recreational drugs" (weed) than otherwise, and a fair number of "excellent" people frequently and habitually use these sorts of substances (like the most decorated Olympian athlete of all time, or maybe the bodybuilding superstar turned governor, for example)
936aad No.4922730
>>4916714
The retarded idea that this and that is degenerate is inherently degenerate.
5ea379 No.4923192
>>4916714
Op, psychedelics are door openers. That's all they are. Such drugs reveal to those with anger problems, anxiety, and depression that there exists a mindset outside of of their neurosis. The problem is when people keep using these drugs to recreate the serenity they create. Your duty as a human being is to learn how to soberly overcome your lurking ailments and to coalesce your conscious and unconscious. Many will fail and few will succeed at this because its hard to achieve in a world dominated by psychopaths.
95476e No.4923488
>>4916870
>people have been doing it for thousands of years
This can justify any form of degeneracy, buggery homosexuality etc.
Even if drugs had a beneficial use, I think you can agree that this is a responsibility we can't trust regular people with.
The fact you have to be so moderate with its use implies that it has vastly destructive capabilities to the homeostasis of the human condition.
"LSD is the lazy mans Finnegans Wake"
-Marshall Mcluhan
You are relying on a physical substance to "transcend" physical reality, its oxymoronic. You have to read and meditate sober, actually connect to ideas that are eternal. I can understand books are physical, but I will tell you the instrumentality of books is even better heavily "documented" than drugs ever could be.
Drugs is suffering the same effect as pornography. It's being made into a Hegelian issue so that its being pushed on the public in the name of "freedom". While we should have the moral agency to choose to do drugs, we shouldn't wrongly think the only path to freedom is drug usage. That is the same form of soft-slavery as the luciferanism in the third picture (rainbow imagery and the individuals path to god-hood).
The selfishness pushed on our pursuit of freedom is a trap. We think we are free but we are ultimately becoming a slave to our passions and addictions. And this is a problem because external sources become rigged so that we can only find these items in societally controlled sources.
The historical documentation of the usage of drugs is mainly involved with initation rites. To be able to form a consesus reality with groups that supply you the drugs, and this is hierarchical and implies a system of control and of passing down knowledge, not in fact finding the knowledge from "within".
That is in-fact why you have the eye of providence symbology, it doesn't just look cool. Thinking you actually need physical drugs mean you are still stuck in the physical part of the pyramid.
e22d36 No.4923619
>>4923488
>This can justify any form of degeneracy, buggery homosexuality etc.
that's a jewish false flag
>Drugs is suffering the same effect as pornography. It's being made into a Hegelian issue so that its being pushed on the public in the name of "freedom"
you sound like a jew
guess you are
yid
88fb02 No.4923703
Huh. I thought your average /pol/ user generally approved of, at least, things like DMT.