/pol/ - Politically Incorrect

[According to Verbon, there will be huge competition in the lower segments of the labour market]. "That is already a sector that's in decline. The industrial sector doesn't need as many people as it did in the past. In the Mars bar factory there are no low-end jobs anymore. It's all done by machines. Only the cleaning sector could support a few more jobs. Window cleaner, car washer. But that's it. There aren't that many jobs in the lower end of the job market.

The people who are currently unemployed are often people at the lower end of the job market. You can solve this problem by lowering minimum, wage. But that's not going to happen. We don't want that, because our minimum wage is already low. Given our costs of living, our minimum wage really is a minimum. If you lower it, you also need to lower the minimum welfare, and that's been cut drastically in the last thirty years already. There's very little room to do that. So minimum wage is a barrier you can't get around.

This means, simply, that there is less demand for labour. So there will be more unemployment. Who will become unemployed? The foreigner, the refugee. Because there is also a role for employment discrimination. Just as there is a lot of discrimination of the elderly in the job market [in this country people over the age of 50 who become unemployed tend not to get hired ever again]. It's the same phenomenon. And so the current group of asylum seekers won't be profitable for us. In fact, they will cost us money, according to figures by the CPB (advisory body to the government) and the SCP (also an advisory body to the government). A 25-year-old refugee or asylum seeker will cost [the system] money. A Dutch person [of the same age], on the other hand, will pay into [the system].

Who gets our solidarity? The EU? Or our own country? We support the welfare state, with minimum benefits, because we think it's wrong for people to end up in the gutter. Solidarity in the Netherlands is alright. But solidarity with other European countries? There is no solidarity with Greece. Let alone that there is solidarity with Syrians, Afghans, Eritreans or Somalians. Because of incidents [like the drowned boy photo] there is a feeling of solidarity, but mainly with the highly educated. They are the people who suffer the least negative consequences. They help refugees, because they like 'doing something good for the world'."

>>4918780

[Klaas Knot, president of De Nederlandsche bank, said that you shouldn't look at the refugee question through an economic lens due to humanitarian concerns]. "That's just rubbish! You'd have to let half of the world in. There is war or there are bad policies all around the world. This is a very irresponsible remark from soneone in such an important function. And he was not appointed to make such remarks. That is a typical politically correct remark. I fear that this is the beginning of an endless stream of refugees, coming to our paradise. It sounds very selfish to say: these people can't come here. But the alternative is that they do come here.

If you have migration from low income countries to high income countries, the standard of living of large groups of people in the high income countries goes down. The question is: do we want this? This is a discussion we're not having at all at the moment. When the European Union was expanding, I said in the [business newspaper] that there might be an exodus of people from Poland to our country that would put the welfare state under pressure. I received a very curt reply from Frans Timmermans [currently the Vice President of the European Commission, not sure what he was at that time]. According to him the effects would be minimal. But Polish people still came. In droves. Politicians always put their heads in the sand for the economic effects of migration. Why do they do this? Because they themselves are powerless [to stop it].

The expansion of the European Union was forced on us. We can't go back now. And now we are getting a stream of asylum seekers. They are forced on us. By Angela Merkel. She opened the borders, not just of Germany but of all of Europe. What she does, we must follow. For Dutch politicians, the only choice now is to say it's not that bad. No one has a clear plan. Not Wilders, either. He is just negative."

[Verbon is also scared that we are importing intolerance.] "Most people coming here will not concede any of the central points of their faith. The consequences have been visible for years. In the Netherlands we are getting a more and more intolerant climate, where you can't say anything. This threatens our democracy. This problem is proof of the failure of the European Union. There is no clear answer. Not to any crisis that the European Union experienced in the last twenty years. The Eurozone Crisis. The Greek Crisis. There are advantages to being in the European Union, but if there is a crisis then there is no solution. There is no real unity, no common decision-making. If Angela Merkel shouts "we're opening the borders", then our borders have to open as well. In a way, Angela Merkel is the Dictator of Europe. She decides what happens. And then there's a man like Timmermans [again, currently Vice President of the European Commission], who doesn't seem to know what's going on. I don't respect him much. As I said at the time: 'man, you don't know what migration is.'

I recently said to my wife: I'm glad I'm so old, because I can see this ending badly. I am worried about the world my children and grandchildren have to face. The scenario is that half the world will come this way. And that we finally arrive in a situation full of intolerance and use of force and the loss of democratic values. The situation of women. I have three daughters. I am really worried about them. We can't accept this. But we don't want to say that these people have to leave again. We're not saying that. But we're also not saying they should accept our values. I lived in the United States for a year. They force American values on everyone from the start, to everyone who comes in there. Religion is unimportant. You pledge allegiance to the flag. That is everything. The flag and the values it represents. Whether you're a Muslim, a Christian or an Atheist. That's how it should be."

We don't need refugees. Muslims in western European countries will already breed out the native population if they are not deported.

>>4918801

The most important argument here, though, is that while politicians say that

>the refugees might one day become a net positive for our economies

that's a crock of shit and it'll never happen and they should be upfront about it.

This guy's a Professor of Public Finance, by the way. He knows his stuff.

So why the fuck are they being let in?

Are the Jews trying to destroy Europe by turning it into the new Brazil?

>>4918831

>So why the fuck are they being let in?

It's a combination of several factors.

1. Most Europeans complacent because we've been too wealthy and too peaceful for too long. Like a gazelle that's been raised in captivity and doesn't know lions can end up killing it.

2. Most Europeans are convinced that our own civilization and 'our' own modern values ('tolerance, democracy, acceptance, diversity') are so great that others will adopt them eventually. It's historicism: the idea that the world becoming more like is is inevitable, even though the opposite is true and it's likely that our countries will become as shitty as the countries these people came from.

3. There is no effective European Union governance, but at the same time the European Union has already gotten the right to coordinate external border security/border control.

So, the people who want to stop and can stop it (the member states) aren't allowed to stop it, and the people who can stop it (Frontex and similar organisations) are incompetent.

4. Simply put, on a more general level, it's a matter of demographics. They are strong and poor while we are weak and rich. We are few (a declining natural population throughout Europe) while they are many (populations in Africa and the Middle East double every twenty or so years while the land cannot sustain such a population). We have put our faith in compromise while they have put their faith in conquest, victory and subjugation. We are the Western Roman Empire, they are the barbarians at the gates.

>>4918831

Increased crime levels and fear from multiculturalism will allow greater and greater police/government powers in the short term. In the long term whites are really the only barrier against globalization, no other people have the potential that motivated white people do.

That's why anti-white and especially anti-white male sentiment is pushed so hard, with whites gone everyone else doesn't matter.

>>4918774

When this shit and the PC shilling for these "high IQ refugees" just started I shut down some leftist students with a simple question:

how much extra "dentists" and "open heart surgeons" does the Netherlands actually need?

It worked better than providing evidence they are not super highly educated rocket scientists and medical specialists. The PC politicians created that "truth" (by repetition) and the sheeple think it's fact. It's better to accept this "truth" and play with the consequences.

>>4918991

its a great source of mental pride, knowing that 90% of more of the people are too stupid to even realize such huge and important fact of their lives.

Makes me think that I am one of the few actual playable characters and that most of the rest are npc's.

>>4918774

They will for the most part be going back. Just after the high jews give them time to knock up a bunch of Euro females.

And this is how the argument against capitalists fail.

These niggas don't work.

They are useless to capitalists, they don't even bring wages down.

Tourism will eventually start suffering too if it already hasn't.

It's great to see economic arguments, and maybe they have to justify the decisions this way, but it's just an eloquent way of saying mixing races and cultures sucks and fuck those invaders.

This is war, make no mistake about it.

>>4918774

No shit. If immigration policy was decided based on the merit of arguments then there would be no immigrants in Europe. It's happening because our (((((leaders)))) hate us.

The fate of Europe won't be decided through debate or argumentation.

I used to care, but now i don't anymore.

Our economy is a Jewish fraud, we receive our paychecks but we don't own our land. We have been lied to, we have been abused. Just let us live, grow our own food, fish, hunt and gather. Fuck those comfortable lives, i want to work and live with my fellow countrymen. We are Dutch for fuck's sake, we'll figure something out.

FUCK THE ECONOMY, WE STILL HAVE EACH OTHER

>>4919037

Sounds like a dream come true to be honest.

if have said so before but short answer: all european social systems will collapse with the retirement of the babyboomers, there is nothing that can be done to prevent this

have the social system collapse in a homogeneous society and the plebs will start identifying and lynching the elite who were in power

but magic trick, add diversity

when the shit hits the fan the current puppets will be sacrificed and new demagogues will pop up blame all on the immigrants, the plebs fight against the foreign invader (now don't get me wrong this fight is necessary even a proxy enemy is still an enemy)

but behind the scenes the old bait and switch is pulled and the same elites control the strings

(inb4 da jews, less then you would think in north western europe, the elite have a long standing disdain for the plebs)

addendum these invaders come only for the gibs, they have no intention of providing for their own

they move into the low countries, already post industrial overpopulated regions

when the gibs stop, so does the invasion and the immigrant birth rate

highly specificly in this case the 'syrian' 'refugees' while fleeing from a desert country actually have a higher per capita waterresource in syria than they have now in the netherlands

the refugee stream will soon enough start in the reverse and mass casualties are inevitable

>>4920242

>It seems they are pushing a agenda of overpopulation and our breeding whites.

Maybe a handful of people at the top want that, but for the most part I think 'bluepilled' people just find the arguments they offer convincing at face value. The arguments are based on assumptions that sound right, so people just take them for granted even though they're wrong. If I (1) didn't know the relevant data about them being a drain rather than a boon for the economy and (2) assumed that the job market would remain the same for the next fifty years, I would also be inclined to believe that we needed these people. That's why I created this thread: to offer some proof and an expert opinion against the notion that we need them for our economies.

>>4918928

That depends. If you can shift the narrative towards the one offered by Verbon and others, you can turn the tables around. Of course, you can't do that as an individual, you would need to change the entire media narrative for it.

Any more stories of left-wing butthurt, by the way?

>>4919018

>its a great source of mental pride

More like a great source of fear for me. If something bad happens, like a flood or a war, these idiots are the ones who have to coordinate our response to it. They're people who could be slapped in the face with facts and still not see them, and they have the power to decide on matters of life and death. It's like they took a bunch of Fallout 4 settlers (the ones who like swarming a bar at night and walking into walls and failing to climb low platforms during the day) and put them in charge of an entire country.

>>4920397

They assume people are in general reasonable. Like the rapist just don't know how rape makes you "feel". So they just need to be "educated" to your level and then they will truly see.

I don't get what these jobs "we" don't want are. Sure, I'm a NEET loser and all that and will probably never contribute to society in terms of a paycheck and taxes. But when there are 400 people applying for a silly cashier-job it makes me question the arguments. Is it janitorial work? Sewerpipe maintenance (last I checked it requires some education)? Where if so, are these jobs looking for people without anyone applying? I never seen such jobs on the market yet.

>B-but they are women and children

No, mostly men.

>B-but they ahve education and shit

No, they are stupid

>T-they are children!

Still no

>W-we need them for the labor!

THey don't work and we got enough people without a job

It's like taking in a pack of pet tigers. Sure they are cute and you can take picture online to show how much of a good person you are. But sooner or later, the animal will understand they can take control, and then you are fucked.

Isn't that some secret in the slave-industry? Keep them contempt, and sell the smart ones.

Always trying to keep risk of revolt as low as possible.

>>4918928

Anyone who doesn't outright reject the notion that this is some type of inevitability or obligation, or that third-world aliens are a viable solution to birthrate/workforce issues, are beyond reach.

There is no scenario where importing culturally hostile aliens will ever be a net-positive. Period.

People are just now figuring it out that it was all a scam.

In Europe they took the birth rates down first and then told them that they need workers if they want to retire.

In America they told us we need workers to do the jobs Americans wont do so we can enjoy a higher life style, which then helped lower our birth rates.

Give it to the Jew. He knows how to play different cultures in different ways to get to the same objective.

>>4919144

Many Western European cities are becoming unrecognizable at a pace beyond comprehension. I wouldn’t plan a holiday to Detroit for example and soon enough even the bluest pilled Burgers won’t be planning holidays in much of Europe.

Paris lost 1.4 billion Euros’ of Tourism related revenue in the first 16 days after the latest attack alone:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3338173/Terror-attacks-Paris-means-visitor-numbers-Europe-tumble-France-lost-1-4bn-tourism-revenue.html

If East Asian tourists start getting caught up in the chaos we can expect tourism from those nations (and they are big spenders) to sharply decline especially significantly.

This whole thing is a total disaster for tourism.