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No.4657
on the first day of sdcc they've already shown off some stuff from the force awakens
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in other news, the black series figure contest is over. to no surprise darth revan raped the polls. sabine and another rebels character are supposed to be receiving figures as well. some pics in the next post
No.4659
black series elite tie fighter + pilot
costs $170 lol
No.4660
>>4657
how fucking pretentious do they have to make it?
>>4659
of all the TIE variants of the EU the most creative thing they could do was make it black?
No defender, no nothing.
No.4661
>>4658
Leia looks fine, people seem worried about that.
No.4662
If only they had these on Endor.
No.4663
>>4660
I've been saying it for awhile now, Disney's entire marketing strategy with the Star Wars brand at the moment is pandering hard to OT Nostalgia. So they are putting a ridiculous amount of emphasis on everything that caters to that, no matter how much it falls apart under closer scrutiny.
>Look at all these practical effects and real sets! Its so much more real than the prequels right guys?
Even though the PT used a substantial amount of practical effects. There were more practical effects shots, models, miniatures, sets, matte paintings and costumes made for Episodes I-III individually than there were in the entire OT combined. This is basically Lucas' fault for deliberately censoring all of it to put focus on the CGI elements for all the behind the scenes stuff, but still.
I also don't see how they could possibly match the scale of the PT when it comes to practical effects, there isn't a single major visual effects studio left that specializes in them. ILM's practical effects division was closed down in 2012, unless they spend tens of millions of dollars resurrecting and rebuilding it they are full of shit.
>We are filming it with 35mm cameras! So much more authentic isn't it guys?
Except that modern digital cameras far eclipse even a perfect 35mm film capture now. If they had used 70mm they would kind of have had a leg to stand on, but this is just pandering on a ridiculous level.
>>4661
She has really turned things around.
No.4664
>>4663
>Except that modern digital cameras far eclipse even a perfect 35mm film capture now.
They want to get as far away from the AOTC disaster as possible.
They want these movies to be visually congruent with the OT so I think it's ok. Episode X onwards will probably switch that up.
No.4665
>>4664
That is just nonsensical, digital cameras were shitty 15 years ago so you don't use modern ones? Even though almost every movie released in the last 5 years was filmed digitally, and that damn near every movie theater today uses digital projectors anyway? If they had filmed it on 70mm I wouldn't be complaining at all, because then it would be better than you can get on modern digital cameras.
No.4666
>>4665
ESB and ROTJ were shot on 70mm weren't they?
No.4667
>>4666
From what I can find they were filmed using some weird camera system where two 35mm film negatives were composited together to improve visual quality and reduce grain.
No.4668
>>4663
Found the millennial. Film is superior but is costs more.
No.4672
It's all so damn beautiful. I know I should be cautious about hyping it up, but I can't help it.
No.4673
>>4660
>pretentious
Way to use one of the most overused whine words in the English language today, second only to 'hipster'. It's pretentious to give people what they've been clamoring for for years? On a fucking Star Wars movie? Is liking how old Star Wars looked considered pretentious now?
>>4663
>Even though the PT used a substantial amount of practical effects. There were more practical effects shots, models, miniatures, sets, matte paintings and costumes made for Episodes I-III individually than there were in the entire OT combined
Yeah, it's too bad they coated them in CGI so much that they ended up looking like cartoons anyway. I had no idea the waterfalls in Attack of the Clones were physical until I saw the behind the scenes stuff. It still looked incredibly 'not-there' and like a computer generated cartoon.
No.4674
>>4668
Nice blanket statement, things are never that simple. 35mm film generally has a higher effective resolution than a 2k digital camera, a modern 4k digital camera beats 35mm film, and 70mm film could produce an effective resolution anywhere between an 8k-16k digital camera.
>>4673
Pretty sure he means the way they are talking about all the "Going back to predigital" nonsense. It perfectly fits the real definition of pretentious.
And the problem with the look of Episode II wasn't that they "coated" everything in CGI, it was the limited color space of the early digital camera used.
No.4677
>>4673
JJ, who littered Star Trek with an overabundance of CG effects, is acting like he is the fucking messiah with practical effects.
No.4678
>>4674
> "Going back to predigital"
They never said that. Just that they are using real sets and practical effects. And that they are excited about making a Star Wars movie. I think you're taking imageboard culture of jadedly shitting on everything way too seriously.
No.4679
>>4678
They literally said exactly that. My entire point is this huge emphasis they are putting the fact they are using practical effects and physical sets feels like blatant pandering, and pretending that the PT movies didn't use these things and this is some kind of "Triumphant return to the old ways!" is both pretentious and dishonest.
I'll have you know that I am actually looking forward to Episode VII, this marketing strategy Disney is pushing with Star Wars as a whole is just feels really stupid to me and I hope they cut it out.
No.4680
>>4679
>dishonest
They never said anything about prequels at all. They just showed how they are using real props and sets for their movie, compared to CGI fests that are all the movie surrounding them. You're looking way too deep into this.
No.4681
>>4679
Mark Hamill said 'keeping one foot into the pre-digital world'. They keep insisting it's a mix of both. And I'm fine with that, as long as it doesn't look like a straight-up cartoon like a lot of the prequels did.
>>4677
But the backgrounds and models didn't look like cartoons in Star Trek. At least I didn't think so.
No.4682
>>4680
You would have to be willfully ignorant to pretend that wasn't their exact intention, they know full well that PT hate has gone more or less mainstream in the last few years and tapping into that will do wonders for marketing purposes. Just look at the comments on every article about this, people raving about how it is so wonderful that they are "returning" to practical effects after how bad the PT was. Even though the PT used practical effects extensively. I suspect it will be even more extensively than the ST will as well, for reason I mention earlier.
>>4681
I don't know how many times this has to be said, but the prequels look cartoonish because of the shitty cameras that had a very limited color space, not the CGI itself. A ton of things that people like to point to as awful CG in the prequels are in fact practical effects.
No.4683
>>4681
Cameron also felated Genisys for promotion giving it his approval. Anyone can be bought off.
No.4684
>>4682
>Just look at the comments on every article about this, people raving about how it is so wonderful that they are "returning" to practical effects after how bad the PT was.
Because that is the popular opinion now and everyone is just parroting them. Remember Yoda in Phantom Menace? It was a fucking puppet and it looked like shit until they replaced it with CGI. But I fucking grantee all these new 'fans' who are all of a sudden "OMG STAR WARS IS MY CHILDHOOD" would not know that.
No.4685
>>4684
And you can tell this is exactly what Disney is tapping into, which is why it just rubs me the wrong way.
No.4686
>>4685
>>4682
So, your beef is with marketing strategy they chose, fair enough.
No.4687
No.4689
You know what this is going to be - a lot of over-the-top action, people running and jumping off of things. They are absolutely going to appeal to the lowest common denominator with a bit of fan-service thrown in to slow the pace down a bit.
The whole thing hinges on the audience caring about the characters. But why should we? How are they going to be different than any of the forgettable shit they've thrown at us over the last 5-10 years?
No.4690
>>4672
Clear attempt to make the next Boba Fett.
No.4691
>>4689
>You know what this is going to be - a lot of over-the-top action, people running and jumping off of things. They are absolutely going to appeal to the lowest common denominator with a bit of fan-service thrown in to slow the pace down a bit.
It's JJ Abrams.
Expect the Star Trek reboot movie but with Star Wars.
No.4693
>>4674
Film still has better color reproduction, and is much better for scenes with fast movement. In addition, some of TFA was filmed with imax cameras.
No.4694
>>4689
>You know what this is going to be - a lot of over-the-top action, people running and jumping off of things. They are absolutely going to appeal to the lowest common denominator with a bit of fan-service thrown in to slow the pace down a bit.
>The whole thing hinges on the audience caring about the characters. But why should we? How are they going to be different than any of the forgettable shit they've thrown at us over the last 5-10 years?
Perhaps you could try watching the movie first.
>>4691
J.J. Abrams has always said he was a bigger Star Wars fan than a Star Trek fan, so I expect better. And this is talking as someone who liked Star Trek 2009 fairly well.
No.4695
>>4690
From what I've heard, he's only a background character in Maz Kanata's castle as a body guard for this guy beside him with a peg leg, who's also seen in the Comic-Con reel.
No.4696
>>4660
Of all the TIE Variants in CANON all they could do was take an original TIE Fighter and make in black with a red stripe. No TIE Interceptor, no nothing.
No.4697
Here, hold these gay toy lightsabers and pretend you like them.
No.4698
>>4683
Mark Hamill didn't praise anything, he just said there's a foot set in pre-digital and post-digital, which is true according to the behind the scenes stuff.
No.4699
>>4684
op here
that reminds me, when i went to see tpm 3d a few years back, i had completely forgotten that the film would have cgi yoda.
when he showed up, i was really impressed and honestly felt that it should have been that way from the start, also being surrounded by fuckin casual tweens who were clearly not even old enough to have seen the film in its original release (or at least old enough to recall going to the theater) made me kek.
No.4700
>>4699
also in other SDCC related news, for those who play SWTOR will be intrigued to know that darth malgus is in KOTFE
No.4701
>>4693
>Film still has better color reproduction, and is much better for scenes with fast movement.
This was only still true of pre-2010s digital cameras. When most models were still only 2k, didn't record full color spaces, and many actually recorded in 30FPS which translated to dropped frames that murdered action scenes when the footage was lowered to 24FPS. None of these things are problems anymore.
>In addition, some of TFA was filmed with imax cameras.
Which is cool, but I wish they would just record the entire thing with those cameras. The next Avengers movie is going to be filmed entirely with IMAX cameras, so hopefully if Episode VII does well enough for them Disney will spring for it with the later movies.
No.4702
>>4694
JJ is great at making movies look pretty and hyping them up. Super 8 looked great. Shit plot. Into Darkness looked great. Shit plot. If JJ can follow a god damn script given to him and not follow his inflated ego it MIGHT be a decent flick. but I'm not expecting much more than a typical sci fi action flick.
No.4703
>>4702
I don't think you can really blame Abrams for the quality of the plot in Star Trek/Into Darkness, a pair of god awful writers did the scripts for both of those. I guess you can say he should have thrown the scripts into the trash and had the clowns fired after the first drafts.
No.4706
>>4703
fair enough, and this time he does have the writer from Empire Strikes Back so hopefully it'll be decent.
No.4708
>>4706
kasdan was brought in to touch up empire's dialogue, everything else was lucas. basically the same thing for jedi.
he had a bit more input on raiders of the lost ark, but that was also heavily lucas + spielberg.
No.4709
>>4708
sauce? I find it hard to believe
Also how much input does Lucas have now?
No.4710
>>4663
I'm glad that not everybody is snowed by the aggressive feel-mongering they're using. My greatest fear now is that Episode VII will be littered with awkward, forced callbacks to the way famous scenes of the earlier movies were enacted like what happened in Jurassic World.
No.4711
>>4690
You kidding?
>Looks at camera during trailer
>MYAAAAR!
if they wanted "the next Boba Fett" they wouldn't have made him sound like fucking Skeletor
No.4712
>>4709
Lucas acted as a creative consultant. He had no control over it.
No.4713
>>4709
None, he provided Disney with his original Sequel Trilogy ideas but they weren't interested and aren't using any of it.
No.4714
>>4710
>JJ KHAAANNNNN Abrams
Of course it'll be littered with forced nostalgia
No.4715
>>4711
Skeletor sounded like a robot?
>>4710
>>4714
J.J. has indicated he's cutting back on this, by how much we'll see:
>The reason for cutting down on those references all boiled down to whether or not they were necessary to the story at hand. “We used to have more references to things that we pulled out because they almost felt like they were trying too hard to allude to something. I think that the key is — and whether we’ve accomplished that or not is, of course, up to the audience — but the key is that references be essential so that you don’t reference a lot of things that feel like, oh, we’re laying pipe for, you know, an animated series or further movies. It should feel like things are being referenced for a reason,” he explained.
http://consequenceofsound.net/2015/05/j-j-abrams-admits-to-cutting-out-a-bunch-of-old-star-wars-references-from-new-film/
No.4716
>>4715
Han Solo is literally in his same outfit from how many years ago? JJ is full of shit.
No.4717
>>4714
Again, Abrams didn't write Into Darkness.
No.4718
>>4716
Similar, yes. But not exactly the same.
In Empire, his vest became shirt with sleeves with pockets on the front. In Return, the sleeves disappeared along with the jacket pockets, he was once again wearing his ANH wardrobe. Now he has sleeves, the front is more than just pockets, also leather.
Looks like it was originally gonna be a overcoat as well, but not anymore.
No.4719
>>4718
overcoat looks sick. Were they afraid it was too similar to a browncoat?
No.4720
>>4719
They might have though it was too similar to this in Return. Which I had forgotten about.
No.4721
>>4720
that was more camo than anything though
No.4722
>>4709
>sauce
it's easy enough to look up, hell wikipedia even has it, and it's confirmed in interviews as well
>input
zilch, lucas' ideas were completely tossed when disney decided not to go with michael arndt's first draft which heavily used lucas' ideas.
No.4723
>>4722
http://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/10555/how-much-of-star-wars-did-george-lucas-actually-write
>Writing has never been something I have enjoyed, and so, ultimately, on the second film I hired Leigh Brackett. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out; she turned in the first draft, and then she passed away. I didn’t like the first script, but I gave Leigh credit because I liked her a lot. She was sick at the time she wrote the script, and she really tried her best. During the story conferences I had with Leigh, my thoughts weren’t fully formed and I felt that her script went in a completely different direction.
>I hired Leigh Brackett to write the screenplay, but tragically she died right after completing the first draft. Faced with the situation that somebody had to step in and do a rewrite, I was forced to write the second draft of this screenplay. But I found it much easier than I’d expected, almost enjoyable. It still took me three months to do, but that’s a lot different from two years. I also had the advantage of Larry Kasdan coming in later to do a rewrite and fix it up.
>What I worked on was a draft of the script George had written, based on the story George had given to Leigh [Brackett]. I don’t know what of Leigh’s draft survived into the draft George wrote. What George handed me was a very rough first draft, really somewhere between an outline and a first draft. The structure of the story was all there – it was the skeleton for a movie. What was needed was the flesh and the muscle.”
>[Kasdan is working from a] very rough first draft [script that George Lucas wrote. Kasdan will have to write Revenge of the Jedi quickly, since it begins shooting in January.] It’s a similar situation to the terrible time problem we had on Empire, but I think that this time I’ll have a much freer hand, because the Jedi screenplay that George gave me isn’t nearly as far along as Empire’s was.
seems like he did much more than just dialogue
No.4725
>>4723
Brackett's script is online somewhere, it's not very good.
Standouts are Yoda being called "Minch", Vader not being Luke's father and Luke having a sister named Nealith iirc.
No.4726
>>4700
Is KotR canon yet or are they still wishy washy about that?
No.4727
>>4726
whatshisface's mask is probally's revan's mask relic or some shit
No.4732
>>4726
they're skating around that until after episode 7 comes out afaik
most likely with this black series revan figure coming out i get the feeling it will be made canon to an extent.
No.4755
>>4726
Every time the question is asked it gets reaffirmed that KotOR and, by extension, TOR are firmly in the Legends continuity now.
However, the fact remains that fans won't fucking shut up about it or aren't satisfied with that and that whole time period is the only piece of "Legends" material still being actively updated and harvested for profit.
Throw that in with rumors posted in places months ago about the new movies featuring some kind of major tie-in with the era and I'm not sure it won't rejoin canon proper soon. I don't buy the whispers that Vitiate will be the true villain at all, but I wouldn't be surprised if some events or names from the games were dropped in.
This is Disney with the Star Wars license. If they think they wring out more money by tying together whatever the fuck Bioware Austin thinks they're doing with the new TOR expansion to movies and cartoons I expect it happen.
No.4786
>>4710
20 bucks says they basically copy/paste the cantina scene.
No.4787
>>4657
Oh great… THAT guy is in the movie…
No.4804
>>4787
What guy?
Also, I just found out that the production designer for Idiocracy, Tron: Legacy and Oblivion is working with the production designer for Jurassic Park, AI, the Back to the Future sequels and Avatar on Star Wars VII.
Works for me, the cars and buildings in Idiocracy look like they belong on Tatooine.
I'm guessing Darren Gilford's the one who did the crashed Star Destroyer and X-Wing matte painting for the second teaser.
No.4851
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The lack of images of Luke Skywalker worries me. Not because he might only show up for five minutes in the movie, but because…
>Vader sacrifices himself to take out the Emperor, and then Luke helps Vader to take off his famous helmet. And then — Luke puts on Vader's helmet himself. In the transcript of the story session with Lucas and Kasdan, Lucas says: "Luke takes his mask off. The mask is the very last thing — and then Luke puts it on and says, 'Now I am Vader.' Surprise! The ultimate twist. 'Now I will go and kill the [Rebel] fleet and I will rule the universe.'" Kasdan immediately responded, "That's what I think should happen" — but Lucas didn't actually want to go that dark because "this is for kids."
>Kasdan immediately responded, "That's what I think should happen"
Hopefully, if Kasdan tried to erase 39 years worth of the major story point that Luke is unbreakable unlike his father, J.J. had the balls to say no.
No.4857
>>4851
that makes no fucking sense. Why would he do that?
No.4858
>>4857
That's a good question, he wanted it before. Would he want it now?
No.4859
>>4858
I swear to god if they do that fucking twist where Luke gets infected by the dark side through his metal hand and does his Joker voice I'm walking out.
No.4865
>>4859
>>4858
>>4857
>>4851
fortunately jar jar abrams and the eternal mouse know better than to fuck us over like that.
No.4866
>>4851
I'd like to see Luke become a Hutt. Being the last Jedi he could rule any planet he wants and fuck all the chicks - just sitting there getting fat, taking one bite from a papaya and throwing it over his shoulder. He just sits there scratching his balls and farting as he tells the entire galaxy to go fuck itself.
No.4876
>>4871
op here
this is fuckin fantastic, i'm honestly re-hyped for the film.
great use of that b-footage as well.
No.4878
>>4871
Whelp. I came. Anyone have a moist towelette?
No.4879
>>4871
What is this a michael bay film?
No.4881
>>4871
dat fuckin music, tho
No.4887