/starwars/ - Star Wars

Only autists and normalfags give a shit about what's canon and what's not.

>>5050

>Not being upset about the legend that s Gilad Pellaeon

You'd have to be a complete normalfag not to care about that.

>>5054

>2015

>still being upset about anything SW related

>not realising SW is kill already

>>5053

reminder the outrider can be spotted in the special edition of ANH

Dash Rendar may be canon

>>5071

>Of all the woman in Lukes life she was the best

You might just say that she's The best of the worst

>>5071

Mysteries of the Sith was the worst Dark Forces/Jedi knight game

Mara's a shit

>>5078

Jedi Academy was worse, MotS at least had some really cool levels. It was also hard as balls but I liked that, you're playing as a woman after all so it's just realism.

>>5051

Mara Jade as an Inquisitor in Rebels.

easy fix

>>5049

I grew up reading the Timothy Zahn books, X-Wing series, and all the other early EU titles, and I believe it is great that Disney is scraping the EU.

90% of it is garbage storytelling and a giant convoluted mess. For every Pellaeon there are 10 resurrected emperors, for every Kyle Katarn you have to wade through half a dozen Jacen Solos.

Hitting the reset button on the EU is going to revitalize the starwars universe for future media by allowing writers and directors to create new stories without having to navigate through a labyrinth of fetid human waste that is the overwhelming majority of the EU.

And it isn't as if any respectable writer/director/producer would ever agree to be apart of a future starwars project if they had to somehow shoehorn bullshit like the Dark Empire or the Jedi academy series or The Crystal Star.

Sadly, almost all of the EU is so interconnected that you cannot cherry pick the good stories to hold onto and leave the cancerous stories behind.

>>5059

Sad but true.

>>5065

>>5073

>>5078

So many fucking assholes on here. One would think this place would be devoid of EU hate.

>>5143

Oh please. New stories aren't worth a damn. Everything is slowly turning into shit and the best they could've done was rewrite the old and improve it instead of just creating more needless fanfiction that will just get retconned again in 20 years. Of course you probably don't care since you're just happy to needlessly waste cash on merch instead of appreciating most of what was good. 90% is a serious underestimation and a load of crap on your part. The convoluted shit could've easily been rewritten in adaptations, ranging from graphic novels and even direct to tv films, much like DC does with its comic stories.

>>5190

>its better to scrap it all and throw the baby out with the bath water rather than just retcon out the bad stories

Yes, actually, it is. Your "throwing out the baby with the bathwater" idiom implies that there is a more good content in the EU than there, in reality, is.

Heir to the Empire was published almost 25 years ago and that was the high water mark in the EU. Now maybe Timothy Zahn set the bar too high for the content creators who came after him, but everything after that series wasn't close to being as good. Apart from Zahn's books, Michael A. Stackpole's "I, Jedi" was a personal favorite and his X-wing series were also decent, but I am happy to offer all of those as a sacrifice if it means being able to never hear the name Star Crusher, Caedus, or New Jedi Order.

They may cherry pick some of the more interesting plot points and character concepts from portions of the EU to help build new stories, but there is little to no incentive to retcon any of the EU into new canon.

While we will morn the loss of Thrawn(or whom/what ever you most cherish about the EU) we will still be at the theater on opening day.

I don't see the point in being too upset about it because at the end of the day Disney isn't sending out agents to kick in our doors to confiscate all of our EU paraphernalia. We can still go back to reread them. But now we are also going to get more movies, tv shows, games and books than we otherwise would have.

We're sitting here on the brink of a bunch of new starwars content, in all forms, and so many people are getting choked up about >Mah THrawn!

>>5212

The new stuff may not be better than the EU but the jury is still out on that because it is still in its infancy. Diseny only acquired the rights 3 years ago, whereas the EU has had over 3 decades of publishing history and a vast body of work with which to judge it with.

And Starwars comics have almost always been cringe inducing.

>>5211

>zahn set the bar too high

look out we got a boomer here

>>5143

>>5211

this anon gets it. for every Thrawn or Wraith Squadron you have 10 KJA superweapons, "The Death Star was actually IG-88", BUG ORGIES, Teflon Kyp Durron, shipping wars between authors with various Mary Sue love interests for Luke being played out on the page…

>>5221

>implying

nigga, there is 25+ years of EU content and its not as they only recently started churning out shit.

>>5224

Luke sure was neck deep in snatch before he settled for that psycho redhead.

>>5219

Sure, if you throw out and arbitrary timeframe of material to judge then you can say a good bulk of the EU is pretty good. Problem is the majority of the EU was released after your convenient cutoff point. Star Wars as a franchise started going into overdrive as the prequels approached, the amount of material released in this period greatly eclipses everything that came before. This worked out pretty well for Pre-Saga and Pre-OT content as that was a very fresh and unexplored area, but Post-OT quickly turned into a disaster zone.

People do not hate the Vong or other things like that simply because they "don't belong" in Star Wars, they aren't liked because they and the entire New Jedi Order series were terrible fiction. Same with pretty much everything that followed, outside of the Legacy comics which weren't half bad. All of this garbage piled up over the course of a decade and turned the Post-Episode VI EU into a massive minefield with a few enjoyable gems scattered about. Now I am a bit upset that they threw out the entity of the EU as every other time period of the EU never really devolved into garbage, but it is what it is.

Your argument about Star Trek is also not very good, because the two franchises are on a fundamental level entirely different creatures. Star Trek is primary a television series and Star Wars is primarily a movie series, those facts heavily influence how everything within the franchises feels. This is why Star Wars fiction tends to have as you say very specific and related narratives and themes, while Star Trek is more diverse and isolated with its content. The Vong would have worked better in Star Trek because they would have at most featured in a two-parter episode and then gone away forever just like countless over races encountered by the Enterprise. Rather than featuring in a 19 part book series that radically alters the landscape of the entire setting once it is finally done.

>>5225

i'm not disagreeing with that

i'm disagreeing with the fact that you seem to imply zahn's thrawn trilogy is the best thing the eu churned out, when shadows of the empire and kotor are above it in every possible way

>>5219

>I feel like the common belief that "most of the EU was bad" is hyperbole and/or at least partially subjective…..

I can agree there is some subjectivity here. I got my 1st EU book when I was like 11 yrs old. It was the third Young Jedi Knights book, The Lost Ones, and I ate that shit right the hell up. After that I spent my allowance on the Jedi Academy series, Truce at Bakura, Courtship of Princess Leia, the X-Wing series, Thrawn series, Crystal Star, and the list goes on. Basically my whole middle school and early high school years until I found pussy, but I can thank the EU for developing a strong reading habit in me that I still enjoy today. 6 years out of highschool I decided to pick up some of the newer EU books and I started reading the the New Jedi Order book with Vector Prime and while it still contained a lot of my favorite EU characters, it was painful to read. The plot was bland and that it didn't have that classic SW feel to it, but also because the writing and prose were fucking painful. For a while I was like "man these newer(they were not that new) EU books are no where near as good as the ones I read when I was younger." So I dug out my old starwars books to reread them again only to discover that, no the writing "style", the plot, and the characters were almost always lame, with a couple exceptions like Zahn and Stackpole (although both of them churned out their fair share or garbage). But Kevin J Anderson a shit, Barbara Hambly a shit.

Now you can make the point that I am nolonger the target audience for those books and I would be hard pressed to argue against that. One thing I will admit to however, is that I really enjoyed the Clone Wars cartoon(post S2) and am currently enjoying the Rebels cartoon. Now they are guilty as well of being ham fisted and overly simplistic in their character arcs and plot lines, but its a cartoon, the fuck else can I expect from that.

>People don't have a problem with going all out in Star Trek - I mean how many enemies has the Federation faced.

That's a hard comparison. I feel that Star Trek is more about "science" exploration, discovery, politics, and power struggles. While Starwars has a more mythic arc, good vs. evil, light, dark, jedi vs. sith. Starwars arguably has a more black and white morality inherit within the universe, while star trek plays with more of a gray scale.

and even when a starwars storyline tries to play in that gray scale, particularly with the force (see: Gray Jedi), it invariably serves to highlight the light/dark dichotomy of the force even further, with someone saying that they are "playing with fire".

>>5232

Nah man. I was only making observations from EU books, of which I believe Zahn is one of the best. Calling his trilogy the best is admittedly only an opinion, even if its a popular on.

Kotor, however, is my absolute favorite thing with a Star Wars ™ label. I wish they'd update and re-release that game.

>>5234

They put it on tablets recently, no clue how well it plays there.

>>5213

>>5212

Authors for new stuff are also pretty limited with what they can do at the moment, with the new movies looming over them. Only after the new trilogy is wrapping up will the new EU be able to really come into its own. Up until then we are stuck on a limbo where they have to worry about contradicting movies that aren't out yet and likely aren't even finalized.

>>5143

>>5190

>>5211

>>5228

Boy so many fags on here hating on the EU and pretending things are any better now is just bullshit. The new EU has proven to be just as "bad" if not worse than the old one by your self-absorbed standards.

>>5252

The new canon hasn't even gotten off the fucking ground yet, writing it off now would be like writing off the old EU back when it was just Splinter of the Mind's Eye and the original shitty Marvel comic. We haven't even gotten a single new book yet, and the new Marvel comic hasn't even had a full volume's worth of issues competed yet. Also, nobody here is saying it is better yet either. The slate has simply been wiped clean and the potential is there for something good to happen again.

>>5255

that's true but from what we've seen so far our hopes are slowly going down further and further

>>5261

What have we seen so far? A few comic lines which are only just getting started, and a cartoon series that has only had a single season. We haven't gotten a single book yet, and the literature is what formed the vast majority of the old EU.

>>5261

>>5252

There isn't enough new content to make any judgment on and yet here you are, telling everyone that one season of a cartoon show, a couple comic panels, and a few movie teasers is enough for you to sum up and judge the future direction of the whole franchise.

But it doesn't matter, because in the end you won't be happy with anything that doesn't re canonizing your favorite parts of the old EU.

>>5270

And here you are whining just like them because of how much you hated the EU because it didn't suit your autistic fanboy need for flawless continuity and lore.

>>5255

>and the potential is there for something good to happen again.

>Hope

>something good

Honestly its like you fags have no foresight. Disney is only interested in earning cash and that's it. The new continuity will have just as much flaws and crappy stories as anything else. To be optimistic about such shit just goes to show how far your head is up your own fanboy arse.

>>5273

>implying he hates the EU

>hur dur you have autism

>stop liking what I don't like.

No but really, you made some solid points in support of your argument.

>>5274

>Disney is only interested in earning cash and that's it..

>lucasfilm was never interested in making money and the billions it made on toys and other merch is just incidental.

Screw them, the dealings of the past have nothing to do with your new movie, so I will still take everything that happened before the movies, as it does not affect anything.