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 No.880

Just being super general here: what is your honest opinion of the prequels?

I think most if not all of us can probably agree that they're poorly made films that shit on the legacy of the original trilogy, but I've grown to love certain things about their characters, setting and aesthetics. Primarily because of the EU, mind you - but still.

The stories told in the films are very, very flawed, but I've come to accept (and even sorta like) them as canon.

 No.882

To this day I actually like (most) of The Phantom Menace. I know that's heavily disagreed with but whatever. Qui Gon is sweet, the aesthetics of the film are sweet, naboo fighters are dope, the pod race was exciting, Duel of the Fates is the second best Star Wars song of all time, etc. Jar Jar actually makes the film bad, the concept of the Trade Federation blocking trade seems weird, but all in all I actually don't mind Phantom Menace for the most part.

Attack of the CLones: Garbage. Most action sequences in that film are stellar, everything else is just bad. Christopher Lee as Dooku is the only real saving grace I can think of. Ewan McGregor too, but otherwise all the acting is atrocious. The lore on its own is good, but as a movie, terribad.

Revenge of the Sith has the good action sequences again, an improvement in the acting, the story is semi depressing but far better then Attack of the Clones, and all in all is at least a decent movie.

Honestly, my favorite of them is Phantom Menace. Without Jar Jar as a character, I'd probably actually /like/ the film. But it was the only of the three to me that didn't feel like it was actually targeted at children trying to sell toys.

 No.885

>>882
Your opinions are pretty on point as far as I'm concerned. It might just be because I was a kid when it came out, but I actually like The Phantom Menace quite a bit. The plot itself was a little bit "what the hell" and maybe involved a little too much space politics than was necessary, but the action was pretty good. It had lots of memorable moments.

Likewise, Attack of the Clones is the only one I really hate. The actual story the movie had to convey is pretty simple: 1.) Get the clone army created, 2.) show the Clone Wars happening, [and not to mention 3.) godawful romance subplot, but the less said about that, the better], but it was told in such an unwieldy way and sandwiched between so many retarded action scenes that it makes my brain rot. The Geonosis thing with C3PO getting his head grafted onto that battle droid is usually where my senses start to go numb.

Revenge of the Sith I like, primarily because it's the payoff we've been waiting for over the course of the last two films. In that regard it feels more cohesive than the others.

 No.887

ROTS > TPM > AOTC

also you now realize that lucas kept to his original premise in that the story is still told from the perspectives of the droids in the fact that they are pretty much everywhere.

 No.889

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>>887
>also you now realize that lucas kept to his original premise in that the story is still told from the perspectives of the droids in the fact that they are pretty much everywhere.

You know it's the little things that really make me appreciate Lucas's sense of imagination, divisive though it may be.. There's something very Star Wars about the image of him thinking this all up and making sure it was consistent with his idea that R2 would dictate the whole saga to the Whills thousands of years in the future, even though this idea was never really used in anything the lowest common denominator of people would consume.

 No.891

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I actually like all the prequels.

 No.892

>>882
>Qui Gon is sweet
How so? He was pretty fucking boring if you ask me. This is coming from someone who really likes Liam Neeson too.

 No.897

I'm in agreement with most here in that Attack of the Clones is the worst of the prequels (though I haven't found many people irl that agree with that opinion), far more cringe-inducing than the other entries in the series.
Even with that perspective I have to admit that The Phantom Menace is kind of unnecessary in the scheme of the series: it contains some basic setup for the later films but not so much that it needed its own movie, and the story is completely muddled, with characters wandering around in search of the plot. Even admitting the obvious flaws I don't hate it as much as most of the people I know.

 No.901

>>897
I think the greatest flaw of the prequels as a whole is that Revenge of the Sith is the only one of them, if any, that really needed to happen.

 No.903

>>892
I guess part of this is because I like his expanded story. Somewhat of a rogue, considered to be as wise as the Jedi council but refuses to follow their strict judgements. More of a grey Jedi. Mah nigga

>>897
Like most EU stuff, Phantom Menace doesn't need to happen. Was still cool to see the rise of Obi Wan in a sense and get a look at what this mysterious "republic" we had heard of looks like. Agreeing with >>901
here

 No.906

>>903
>I guess part of this is because I like his expanded story. Somewhat of a rogue, considered to be as wise as the Jedi council but refuses to follow their strict judgements. More of a grey Jedi. Mah nigga
That's an interesting take on the character. It's almost there in the Phantom Menace itself, too. We see him do things like use the Force to trick Watto and Boss Nass in the movie. Thing is, we're never really gives an indication that these things are "wrong" by Jedi standards and just left to assume it for ourselves.

Still makes the Qui-Gon we see in the movie a little more of an interesting character if you bring this interpretation of him to the table.

 No.909

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>>906

it was heavily implied that qui-gon deliberately and often defies the council and does shit to his own accord

nigga takes names and gives nothing in return and fucks bitches probably

 No.913

>>909
I guess wanting to train Anakin was one of those things too.

Well, it sorta worked out for him in the end…

 No.916

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>>906
There is a series about Obi Wan as a Padawan I read as a kid. You get a better idea of Qui Gon from it. In fact, Obi Wan didn't even want to be his Padawan because he was so rogue-like. He kinda got his greyness from being Dooku's apprentice back when he was still a Jedi.

>>909
Exactly. When Qui Gon Jinn fucks a bitch he fucks her right

 No.920

>>916

i think i know what series you're talking about, qui-gon was a boss in that shit. i only read like two books from it but it was good.

jedi apprentice, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Jedi_Apprentice

 No.932

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>>920
Yes sir

 No.935

>>932

ah there we go, fight for truth and shattered peace (second row in the middle) are the ones i read. still got em somewhere in this house.

 No.939

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>>916
>>932
Damn, you guys just brought back some memories.

Being about seven years old when that film came out and having my mom read these to me every night made the characters feel very real and close to me. Say what you will about TPM, its tie-in materials were marketed brilliantly.

 No.947

>>882
Phantom Menace is the best of the prequels. It feels like George actually tried while he phoned in Episode II and III.

Also since Phantom Menace was the first it was made without the stigma, people working on the movie thought they might be making something to rival the original trilogy.

 No.957

>>947
If Phantom Menace didn't have so much childish shit, it would definitely be my favorite

 No.958

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>>880

>What is your honest opinion on the prequels?


They suck, but you’ve already acknowledged that. I concede that if you look hard enough, there are things you can find to like, but it’s like searching for the dimmest of silver linings around some very dark clouds.

My biggest problems with them, though, are that even some of the things I do like are tainted by the way they were executed. They represent a missed opportunity. My list of tweaks in no particular order :

Anakin should not have been a child in TPM. He should have been a teenager from the start. Star Wars was built on the premise of the ‘three galactic musketeers’ that we followed on their adventures through the original trilogy. Assuming the same basic plot of TPM, would anything of real value have been lost if Obi Wan had assumed the Qui-Gon role and Anakin had been old enough to be a more credible hero (much like Luke)? It would have allowed the three main characters to be the focus of the trilogy and the romance between Padme and Anakin to begin earlier and not seem so forced in AOTC. Not to mention giving (what would have been) Obi Wan’s decision to train Anakin much more resonance for the rest of the trilogy and the earlier films. Qui-Gon Jinn is an entirely superfluous character.

Darth Maul should have lived. His design was awesome and he represented a new kind of villain that was consistent with the concept of the Sith, but divergent enough from Vader to be really new and exciting. Animalistic, predatory, athletic. If he had lived to return in AOTC & ROTS, it would have given us a great recurring villain and made Dooku a much better character (see below).

Dooku should not have been a Sith. Dooku should have been the proto-Tarkin, an agent of Palpatine with Maul serving as his attendant, echoing the Vader-Tarkin relationship in ANH. Given his stature as an actor, I never really bought Christopher Lee as just a lackey of the Emperor, and having Maul serve him would have given him back some gravitas. It would also have allowed Darth Maul to fight the battle at the end of AOTC requiring a little less suspension of disbelief that Dooku didn’t break a hip during that battle. Hell, if you really wanted to make the prequels a more seamless fit with the original trilogy, you could remove Dooku as a character entirely and just replace him with a younger Tarkin. A Republic/Imperial Navy presence is pretty much lacking entirely from the prequels, so this would have given us a little more of a window into that world during this time period.

C-3PO should have been serving Padme at the beginning of the trilogy. Anakin may or may not have constructed R2-D2. I could see it work either way. Both droids should remain with and serve Amidala after Anakin leaves Tatooine. The treatment of the droids in TPM is one of the things that makes a liar out of Lucas when he says it’s the droids story.

Midi-chlorians should have been the name of the space parasite that killed Jar Jar Binks. Off-screen. In the prequel to the prequels.

 No.962

>>958

R2 was already a working unit on Naboo and he's never had a memory wipe, so it still checks out for the most part.

as for anakin being a child, that part was fine, they just shouldn't have had all that kitschy-shit going on. also, setting episode 2 ten years later was kind of a fuckup, because grown-up anakin is a completely different person and we miss out on that evolution.

at least you got your wish about maul.

 No.965

A lot of people say that Jar Jar is the worst character and that kid Anakin is the worst actor. But the two aren't so bad in my opinion. The dishonor of being the TRULY awful and worst character and actor goes to teen Anakin and Hayden Christensen. Damn he and his character were just horrible. Anakin's weepy mopy story and character development combined with Hayden's terrible and forced acting creates a true abomination. And the Clone Wars cartoon (which retconned a whole mess of shit even some things from the movies) tries to retcon Anakin's shitty personality and crappy accent to actually make him seem likeable. Honestly. This was Darth Vader? This is how badly you fuckers mess up the character? Seriously? Fucking Lucas. Also fuck Disney.

 No.970

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>>965
This has been said to hell and back, but I still think the majority of the problem lies with Lucas's directing rather than Christensen's acting.

 No.971

>>970
I choose to blame both.

 No.972

>>971
>>965
>>970

but most of his acting is significantly better in rots than it is in aotc

so i think the blame lies more with lucas

 No.975

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>>971
>>972
There's a big parallel with Mark Hamill here. The only truly mediocre actor among a lead cast of greats, I firmly believe he wasn't able to reach his full potential due to Lucas's restrictive direction, and wound up so typecast he had to retreat into the world of theatre and VO work. We lost a potentially great film actor.

Likewise, Christensen's career has been ruined by Star Wars. He'll never be remembered as anything other than the whiny little bitch who hates sand and ruined Darth Vader. Which is exactly what Lucas was aiming for with the character, so whatever. Like Hamill, he did show some improvement over the course of the trilogy, but I highly doubt we'll ever see him in another big role.

I do think some of the blame for Christensen's acting rests on his own shoulders though. Much like Hamill, he's far from the most talented actor of his respective trilogy. That honor probably goes to Ewan Macgregor, since Obi-wan was the only hero in the prequels who actually felt like he had a soul. Ian Mcdiarmid was also great but that goes without saying.

 No.977

>>975

that's the trick with hiring unknowns who have less experience, fortunately hamill's talent grew better than christensen's, i sure as shit got feels at luke pleading for vader to help him.

 No.987

>>971
My only response really, is who the fuck else in the world could make "your skin is soft, not like sand" sound good? Absolutely atrocious writing.

 No.996

>>987
Ugh. Gag me with a shovel.

 No.4076

Now I am probably in the minority here, but I like the prequel films better. I simply love the concept of the Clone Wars and how the prequel films feel so much more like a real living universe compared to the desolate, backlot feel of the original three films. I have to admit: I like the EU a lot better than the actual films.

>>932

I too grew up reading these. I might return to them someday to re-appreciate them.


 No.4079

>>4076

>the prequel films feel so much more like a real living universe compared to the desolate, backlot feel of the original three films

I agree with this.

Lucas definitely tried to expand the universe since he had access to more affordable effects.

There are no living worlds in the Original Trilogy.


 No.4149

>>916

>When Qui Gon Jinn fucks a bitch he fucks her right

>evianbottle.txt


 No.4565

ROTS>TPM>AoTC

Sith has enough mature story elements that it hasn't got time for autistic baby garbage (genocide being probably the most obvious) Menace, like others have said, is watchable if you ignore Jar Jar, but seeing as how as a kid I did love that annoying sack of shit, I guess he worked for what he was supposed to do, and may help bring younglings into Star Wars. AoTC. I hate it more than sand

>>909

Qui Gon totally boned Shimi before he left Tatoonine with her son. Straight balla


 No.4625

It was… lame.

After getting older, watching again, etc, i finally could see as bad written and conducted material.

You could simply made things simplier and conforming to the previous movies.

Obi Wan meets Anakin, a dashing young pilot at the service of the Republic. He took him as apprentice, the Clone Wars happens, with some evil guys using clones as fodder against the republic. War happens, Anakin turn evil, helps the empire purge the jedi, which took some time. Also bang Luke/Leia mother during the war.

No gungas, no Liaam Neeson, no order 66, no Anakin Whinnywalker, no jumping Yoda, etc.

Simple, ellegant, and matching with Obi-Wan description at the original SW.




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