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9bfaad No.10998

With all the recent outrage involving video games and video game related stuff. (PoE's poem and subsequent removal, Rainbow 6 changing of female hostage to male hostage, revival of Gamers are violent/misogynist/rapists, etc etc) does svidya/anons in general think that gaming and the gaming industry need moral guardians or some sort of equivalent?

please note I am simply asking for a discussion nothing more

67ea13 No.10999

>>10998
No. Moral guardians of any kind are detrimental to the growth of a medium. See early silver age comics book when the comic code was established.

a277b2 No.11002

No.

a277b2 No.11003

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>>11002
Forgot my picture.

d063a1 No.11015

>Rainbow 6 changing of female hostage to male hostage

Nobody has any proof she's been replaced and I don't understand why people are jumping to this conclusion. Male hostages have been confirmed for over a year and IGN weren't playing the same level as seen at E3 so the hostage depends on the level (or random).

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2014/06/25/rainbow-six-siege-will-have-male-hostages

c4d411 No.11026

>>10998
>with all the pressure from non-gamers to change games to suit their tastes and tear down gamers in the process, do you actual gamers think we should just do what they want?
What do you hope to accomplish with this thread OP?

a5eeca No.11027

Fuck no. You think videogames are the first medium to suffer from this? What drives me nuts is that this has happened with every major medium: art, literature, music ( classical and contemporary,) board games and comics. History repeats itself thanks to ignorance and stupidity. Whenever someone advocates censorship of creative expression, you rightfully tell them to fuck off and educate themselves.

1e962e No.11039

You're advocating censorship.

98dd60 No.11053

I would't mind devs changing content because of complaints from consumers. But what has happened is that a few people who have lots of influence can start a twitter shitstorm over nothing and change stuff.

I bet that the LGTB community isn't even concerned about the PoE poem.

56175e No.11061

>>10998 (OP)
>PoE's poem
I'm getting nothing from a google search

I have a sister who hates skimpy chicks in vidya games because they have so little space to make good armor on. Where a full plate instead of a bikini has a lot of room to add all sorts of bells and whistles kinda thing. I don't disagree, I do say that if the game's tone is goofy then goofy clothes is appropriate, like in Divinity Original Sin. But the vampire class in bravely default was skimpy, she didn't like it at gut reaction, but there it was good that the vampire was skimpy since it was the whole schtick.

But then tumblr landwhales come along and go too far. You can't appeal to these people. Look at fucking Blizzard. WoW is littered with women characters and the first question they ask 24/7 is "WHERE STRONK WOMEN?". I don't pity the faggot since he brought it on himself, but jesus. Then look at what happens when they add tumblr incarnate as a female heavy. It's awful looking.

98dd60 No.11062

>>11060
>>11061
I don't know where you could found more info but here is the poem. Tell me if you find it inappropiate.

>Here it lies Firedorn, a hero in bed.
>He once was alive, but now he's dead.
>The last women he bedded, turned out as a man.
>And crying in shame, off a cliff he ran.

56175e No.11064

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>>11062
Is that it? That's actually really goofy. He died to a trap, I get it

I thought it was going to be about some gay man who got lynched or something or was just unfunny and wholly offensive or something. What? A straight guy should feel empowered that he fucked a man? I dunno, I still say never appeal to people who are hyper sensitive. There's always someone more sensitive and eventually the game becomes unfunny as it gets.

ba1f95 No.11065

No, devs should create what they want without any kind of pressure to change something because of some moral puritans.

Look at this image:
https://imgur.com/a/qt6Es

This is what happens when you have moral puritans who are ignorant about a medium and try to censor it. Its happening slowly and if nothing is done gaming will become comics 2.0, luckily though there are a lot of tools for anyone to create a game.

98dd60 No.11072

>>11064
I would ask trans people if they find the joke offensive and if the devs are transphobic. Im pretty sure that the poem isn't that bad.

507661 No.11075

no

cac2d2 No.11081

morality is a fallacy

a9d86f No.11082

No.

9bfaad No.11117

>>11039
I never said I supported what I said I just merely said a question anon
>>11026
an actual discussion. Personally I don't think gaming needs any moral guidance, things such as literature, plays and music have always had some elements that some would find "offensive". But I wanted to see if anyone could justify what I had just said to see what someone with this view point thinks especially seeing as I can't fathom or understand this line of thinking.

32658a No.11119

Jesus Christ, No.

Just because I want to have vidya discussion free of all the social justice drama bullshit doesn't mean I don't think it's still a huge problem in every industry today.

Every time a creative work caves to these perpetually offended outrage culture faggots, a precedent is set. And that precedent is going to slowly build and build every time someone caves until eventually government gets involved, and then we're right back into the Sixties with Comics Code Authority bullshit.

0dc83b No.11122

A moral guardian in any medium will never benefit anyone beyond themselves.

a4f56e No.11146

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Morality and social justice is such a ridiculous topic, I can't honestly see how the industry has let it become such a defining factor in the development of their games. Morality and social equality has never been an issue in games because video games were never used as representations for humanity as a whole. They were always simple tools of entertainment. It seems more recent than not people have taken it upon themselves to fix this by forcing creative control to be bound by SOCIAL JUSTICE!! The worst part about this fad is the fact that some developers are bending over to get fucked in the ass by WOO-MEN with strap-ons. When one dev does this, a precedent is set for other dumb developers to follow. This is going to pile up until we reach a mass peak where girls who show a hint of "girlishness" are going to be considered sexist. The worst part is that although this is affecting every art-form and piece of fiction, it's most cancerous in the video game industry.

7dfed3 No.11168

>>11146
>I can't honestly see how the industry has let it become such a defining factor in the development of their games
There's been a rising belief in the past decades that anything that's ever been created is a reflection and expression of the creator's beliefs and is fundamentally built on the creator trying to push a narrative. If you subscribe to this belief then everything is a combatant in the arena of worldviews and belief systems, and nothing is made without an ulterior motive.

Since most people can separate real life and fiction, now the only people who subscribe to that belief system are those who spent their formative youth years in liberal arts studies and come out of it typically feminist, leftist, and full of the social justice juice. Coming out of their colleges with no real job prospects, the smarter ones realize that bitching constantly can be a good way to get pity money. Combine this with their ideology about everything having some sort of message, and you get what we have now.

Point them at the most interactive medium, made by predominantly male developers in their 20s due to the skills required, treating women like humans instead of putting them on a pedestal, and now you get these SJWs going after video games with a passion. Then it doesn't help that those 20-something devs are often sex-starved nerds or betas who are more than willing to bend over and change their games for even the slimmest chance of getting brownie points.

The end-game for the SJWs is essentially instituting a Comics Code Authority for video games and crashing the medium in the US and anywhere else they can convince governments to change art for da wimmins. All we have to do is withstand them until they finish imploding. It's already happening and it's becoming more and more apparent that social justice is fragmenting into tiny pieces, each piece willing to the destroy careers and lives of other pieces just because they support the "wrong" type of social justice.

a277b2 No.11172

>>11081
Ebin.

9d5073 No.11231

I'm confused by what you mean by moral guardian.

8f5f04 No.11234

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>>10998

>need moral guardians

>need people who think they are better than everyone else to dictate to the rest what can and can't be done

GUESS FAGGOT

32123b No.11248

I think instead of a moral guardian the medium needs just to stay away from a company/individual's work

I mean who understands these guys? they want VGs to be seen as art and even the suits want them to be seen as art-house movies, but they constantly meddle with their contents, something that is vastly prohibited and badly seen in those mediums

If you tell a painter to change his happy house in the happy mountain to a happy hospital or happy cancer kid house i bet the painter and his audience won't be very fucking happy at all
Same with film directors, that stuff constantly happens in Hollywood but in Yurop or even Asia (aside from China) directors will get assblasted and halt production if producers present a change in something just "because"

43886e No.11255

>>11248
>they want VGs to be seen as art but they constantly meddle with their contents
I think people should talk about this a bit more and spread a very important fact as much as possible: the reason for these changes and these standards.

Remenber The Order 1886? They wanted to be seen as a movie. Wanna know why? Because (theoricaly) if you saw it as a movie, it wasn't that bad. The gameplay is terrible, the ludonarrative dissonance atrocious and famous, it reeks of cashgrabing and generic cover-based shooter with bad optimization as topping.
They thought: "Well, if it's seen as a movie, gameplay doesn't matter! It's supposed to look pretty and cinematic and these become good points for us!" But at the end of the day it was a cliche of a cliche of a story with no closure, edgy finale, terrible generic characters. In sum a bad movie.

Now again, why did they chose the "we are art! It's a movie!" perspective? Was it because they wanted to elevate the status of games as art? NO. It was because they want to lower the standards of what constitutes a good game so they can sell more for less work. They shat a turd and tried coating it with paint.

The same goes for all the SJW pandering, because that's what it is: pandering. All these issues never happened before, and nobody cared. Companies didn't just grew a conscience lately either. They just saw all the tumblrettes\soccer moms out there and they think they can capitalize that "market". That, and some of them are genuinnaly scared of PR backlash from not looking progressive enough.
At the end of the day, it's just massive PR for marketing, not being progressive that moves companies.

And it's all for nothing. SJWs don't have an end goal. They will ALWAYS find problems. It's what they do. They are like an army. You can't send a man trained to kill back home, he doesn't know how to do anything else. And listening to these people will always harm a game. They will complain non-stop at everything until the game is some grey goo mass with nothing remarkable or enjoyable about it, at which point they'll find some other game to bitch about.

Pity the companies that pander to the unpandarable, for their doom is their own doing.

00812c No.11261

>>10999

this

also op all of it is passing, SJW/leftism is a fad and it fades as it's proponents grow up and move on

1dc7dc No.11278

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>>11065
I thought it was just going to be the Stanley Parable article. Then I noticed the scroll bar.

9c7ca5 No.11287

>moral guardians

If you want to make the industry better, than start with better game design. Here's a book to help you: http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/B00VID6D68/ref=sib_dp_kd#reader-link

9c7ca5 No.11289

This is what moral guardians is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchdog_journalism

Yeah, let's give corrupt journalists the job of being watchdogs, I'm sure that won't go wrong in any way.

cb52c4 No.11707

>>11168
> All we have to do is withstand them until they finish imploding.

God I hope you're right anon. This issue is such a hotbed for me that causes me a lot of anxiety since I am a game artist in a medium sized studio with dreams of perhaps working on my own games in my own run studio and I see things like censorship and how quickly SJWS can twist things to suit their agenda for a 'with us' or 'against us' mentality and it just honestly worries me.

My friends and husband think I'm paranoid and I give too much thought to gamergate and twitter outrage stuff but the recent changes and appeasement by studios to loudmouth SJWs really does make me a bit angry. I thought that we were a bit untouchable to it, honestly. I thought that most studios would just laugh off the outrage and continue to make their games, but a lot of them are actually caving into the demands and making changes because they think if they appease people, it'll get them off their back. But these people won't stop at one thing. You give them an inch and they'll take a mile, we know this.

>>10998

So, no, OP, I don't think we need people with righteous attitudes telling people what they can and cannot put into their games they make. Censorship from either side is wrong. If a game has something in it you don't like? Then you're free to not buy that game. I won't ever, EVER buy a single game that is like 'Gone Home' in terms of format. I will never support non games that aren't fun and just full of schlocky hipster bullshit.

You are, however, not free to whine and bitch and say that you OWN this game and have any say into what goes into it because you don't. This scare tactic by screaming -'ist' words at companies who don't comply to their little standards is outrageous to me. That would never fly with any other company in the entertainment industry, why do they feel like they can get away with it for game studios?

I have learned one thing though, when I do finally get to making my games, I am going to stay far far away from any social media outlet especially twitter. Just asking for trouble.

3757d6 No.13761

And what happens when the moral guardians turn out to be SJW Nazis? Any kind of moral policing is bad regardless of intention. Freedom and creativity propels the medium forward; It's our job as consumers to simply vote with our money and support what we like, and if you see something come under flack for moral outrage that you think is unjustified retaliation then just send an email of support or something. A little bit goes a long way surprisingly someone getting bombarded with negativity can be uplifted by a single word of kindness.

Something Video games severely lack is individual direction though, We need a single person leading a team to make a game for an image they have. The problem with mob mentality censorship we get worried about is because there's not an individual willing to stand up for their vision. And that kind of visionary protection comes from having a majority control of the direction of the game. We know someone like Kojima wouldn't change one of his games unless he thought it was best for his vision for example.

a277b2 No.13763

>>11065
Ah fuck that triggered me a little.
>>11064
>>11072
The funnier thing is the update to the poem making fun of the morons complaining about the old one.
>Here lies Firedorn, a bard, a poet
>He was also a card, but most didn’t know it
>A poem he wrote in jest was misread
>They asked for blood, so now he’s just dead

a67b8c No.13816

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>>10998
Whoms moral would that have to follow?
I think the creators and customers should decide what they find morally acceptable and what not.

Ratings don't work either. See movies where PG13, something that was supposed to be and was for some years intended to be PG (parental guidance) with more adult themes but not yet fully adult material.
You'll hear a big moan around movie fans when a film usually intended for mature audiences is being rated PG13 because that means it'll be cut to where PG once was or even more harmless.

Or see how NC17 is basically a sales ban. Or how in Germany there is both a "Keine Jugendfreigabe" (not to be sold to people under 18) rating and a non-rating that means the same, only with the added benefit that it goes straight to the index once one single person files a complaint.
That means no advertizing, no mentioning of the name in media and no open display in stores.
Quake was on the index up until a couple years ago, which would make for very silly paraphrasig in gaming magazines when comparing something to a game absolutely everyone knows but nobody is allowed to utter it's name.

If that's not enough, a game can also be banned entirely, making selling a felony and possession illegal.
Originally intended for strongly racist stuff like CDs of Nazi bands and Blood & Honour mags intended to attract the youth, it also hit Condemened: Criminal Origins and it's successor. They are harder to get for teens than drugs and especially alcohol.


I don't like to suffer under the same legislation that's intended for children as a grown person.
A "moral guardian" is nothing different. Only I would suffer under the same legislation or "guidance" as some faggot who can't handle the banter.
I don't want my media to be altered to be acceptable for the softest fuckers out there. Instead, I demand them to grow the fuck up and just don't consume media they don't agree with or keep their children away from them themselves.

>>11065
Hahaha, the idiots don't even get the joke that both things are bad and how the stereotypical 50s American guy is bringing tobacco and oil products to the third world as the boons of his civilization.

a67b8c No.13817

>>13816
>They are harder to get for teens than drugs and especially alcohol.

The Condemned games I mean.
Nazi stuff is super easy to get especially for the youth. There's always that one fucker on the schoolyard who'll be more than happy to give the kids the newest "reactionary" music.

0dde93 No.13898

>>11003
Yo C. S. Lewis needs to shut the fuck up about kant's philosophy. That shit aint his.


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