Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 05:44:46 be1ee8 No. 12648
Why is it okay when CDPR does Day 0 DLC?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 06:01:22 66ccae No. 12652
That's weird there was a post below yours that was pretty good.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 06:07:39 96e660 No. 12653
It's OK when anyone does it.
1. You don't have to buy it until it's released, so I don't see why it effects people that don't want to pre-order DLC. However, it allows those that have limited funds to know exactly what to expect in the future and decide where to allocate their money more easily. I fail to see how more information is somehow bad.
2. DLC is a separate investment decision. It's irrelevant as to when it's announced, it was always going to exist. It is not cut content, it's money they wouldn't have put towards the game if DLC isn't an option.
3. There is no downside to the consumer. There is, however, an upside for the company. They can reinvest those funds or earn interest on them sooner than otherwise possible in order to further to generate a higher yearly profit. This can indirectly benefit the consumer as the company will have more funds to create betters games down the track.
I really don't understand why anyone gives a shit about season passes, but it really all seems to boil down to the assumption that it's cut content or some other stupid shit with no facts to back it up. And even if it is cut content, I don't see how that's relevant to disliking season passes - that's a criticism of DLC in general, not season passes.
The only thing that matters is is the content worth your $$$, and that will vary from game to game and DLC/expansion pack to DLC/expansion pack, it has nothing to do with the model in general.
inb4 shill or whatever. You guys always sperg out over nothing. It's literally just giving you extra knowledge and an extra option.
>>12652 /svidya/ was giving me 404s and it looked like only half my post went up, so I deleted it. Then accidentally made a new thread (forgot it takes you to board homepage). Anyway, here's the post again.
I really have nothing against the practice and don't feel like it is fundamentally bad. I've never bought a season pass where I didn't highly expect the content to be good (to take advantage of discounts). But generally I just wait for a few packs to be released and grab them then (less risk plus I get to play multiple DLC packs back to back).
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 06:09:44 d05000 No. 12654
>>12648 It isn't day zero DLC though, its coming out months from now.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 06:13:58 e4bc8d No. 12655
Maybe it's just the paranoid in me, but does that anti-piracy measure sound like they're describing malware to anyone else? I can't think of any other way to "track" people pirating your game if you're not going on IPs.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 06:19:02 98c6f4 No. 12657
It's not day 0 or day 1 they're just letting you preoder it
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 07:02:50 0ded74 No. 12660
A, it's not day 0, it's not done yet, it's essentially a preorder.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 12:46:10 9ec767 No. 12711
>>12653 >>12652 All season pass and the Expansion pass that CDPR is selling is still buying an idea.
There is no guarantee that the DLC will be worth the price, the content will be as big as they say, It will include key events in the story, or will even be up to par of the quality as the base game. We don't even know what the original game will be like so we can make a proper judgement in investing in this. There is no guarantee that CDPR will keep their word and add more DLC content that won't be covered by the season pass.
All critisicsm against season passes and CDPR's "expansion pass" still has validity to it since no one has played the DLC or seen the end result of all of the game and DLC added on to it.
If your okay with buying an idea you need to deal people criticizing your reasoning and the business of it.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 14:47:44 6236d5 No. 12722
Something related.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 15:10:11 1f27ba No. 12727
>>12648 I take it you weren't on the /v/ thread about this. Everyone was pretty pissed off, far more so than if it was being done by a company we already know to expect this kind of thing from.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 16:58:06 517901 No. 12741
>>12648 Its not, and I'm not buying their game.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 17:08:45 f18694 No. 12742
>pre-ordering an expansion that will come out later in the year is day 0 DLC
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 18:02:12 e87c26 No. 12752
I'm all for DLC/expansion packs. I've only ever encountered 2 good ones - the Bioshock Infinite ones, and the MK8 DLC. But in theory it's possible no to fuck this up.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 18:17:00 0ded74 No. 12755
>>12752 This isn't day 0 dlc, and it's not on disc. I guess you could say it's a season pass, which is more accurate, but even then the problem is like
>>12711 said, you're buying an idea. The question comes down to whether you trust CDPR enough to give them money for something they haven't made yet, and I suggest you shouldn't out of principle. It's essentially a DLC preorder.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 18:17:49 0ded74 No. 12756
>>12755 Mean to say expansion preorder not DLC, even though it is technically DLC just not in the form of ebin hats and a couple crossover costumes.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 19:26:03 6236d5 No. 12768
>>12755 >you're buying an idea. If you start sperging out over every single game you can pre-order these days then you might have a bad time.
Yes, the pre-order is a pre-order.
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 20:27:27 d05d26 No. 12778
>>12741 were you going to buy the game before this announcement?
Anonymous 04/10/15 (Fri) 21:16:02 844fa4 No. 12785
>While we’re offering the Expansion Pass now, we want to make one thing clear: don’t buy it if you have any doubts. Wait for reviews or play The Witcher and see if you like it first. As always, it’s your call.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 00:14:27 a6b56a No. 12843
>>12783 Is that Tor Zirael getting featured in the game? Nice one.
>>12648 Please take your bait elsewhere, sage because there are already Witcher related threads up.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 04:24:47 96e660 No. 12885
>>12785 BUT THAT'S ANTI CONSUMER LOL
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 05:15:27 5af635 No. 12888
It's weird, it seems like it's an announcement for pre-orders to expansion packs, which doesn't really serve a purpose beyond the fact that it just confirms there's going to be an expansion pack. I'm fine with expansion packs if they considerably add more to the game and am willing to pay for it but from my knowledge, the smaller DLC like cosmetics and the rest are free.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 10:18:58 a6b56a No. 12930
>>12888 They can invest in more resources to work on the expansions if the money's in earlier. It's not necessarily a problem if the studio actually does this and you get a good/better than it would have been/otherwise impossible product, but it's also easily abused as a method to get money without making the product. If all you care about is the money you make, your whole motivation to make it good is because people buy good product. If some sucker gives you money before you deliver, you're no longer under any obligation to make good product so much as make the bare minimum so that nobody sues you and the "I'll never pre-order again!" promise doesn't actually stick. CDPR is one of the few companies I trust to actually invest and care about the product as a good game, not a money making vehicle.
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 20:46:15 277eb7 No. 13006
>>12648 Ever heard the phrase 'the straw that broke the camels back'?
Anonymous 04/11/15 (Sat) 23:48:23 f525b8 No. 13053
>>12648 It's not OK and both buying and selling things that don't even exist yet are what are ruining this industry.
>>12653 >I really don't understand why anyone gives a shit about season passes, but it really all seems to boil down to the assumption that it's cut content or some other stupid shit with no facts to back it up. It's a poor buying decision. You don't know what you are buying and therefore can't judge if the price is worth the admission.
The only information about those not yet released DLCs comes from the people selling them.
It's not just that it's easy to abuse but that it has very often been abused.
It's not. Well made DLC at a reasonable price that was made additionally is not the same as a) cutting content which is basically just raising the price tag in different packaging, especially when the DLC is already on the disc and b) selling stuff that doesn't even exist.
Something you can't judge when what you're buying is nothing but a thought.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 00:45:03 420548 No. 13068
I'm not defending it but I'm also not going to doubt how savagely pro consumer CDPR has been in the past, especially against cancer like digital rights management. They get the benefit of the doubt for this, I'm not preordering anything, and I'm just going to be more critical of them in the future.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 02:55:32 58128d No. 13086
>>12648 I don't really see the big deal, it's not for some cheap shitty little skin packs on the disc or just blanket promises of DLC with no indication of what they'll actually make or what it'll cover, they've guaranteed two expansion packs. You can always cancel it if you decide it's not worthwhile after playing the game itself. This is no different from pre-ordering any other thing out there.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 03:13:50 96e660 No. 13090
>>13053 >>13053 >especially when the DLC is already on the disc and Just because the content is on disc DLC doesn't mean it was ever going to be part of the base game, even in an alternative universe where DLC is illegal.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 13:24:09 4193dc No. 13150
>>13090 Why so anti consumer, anon?
Capcom pulled that shit already and they were more than happy to charge for it.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 14:57:56 c93dc6 No. 13172
>>12648 Expansion packs which they work on after the release are wrong?
>>12711 And what's the problem then? If they end up being actual merchants with the expansion packs, pirate it and be happy you didn't give them any money. If it's actual expansion packs like they say, you can support them if you want and get it. I highly doubt they'll release stupid little DLC packs since they've already said they'd only charge money for significant content. Sure, they could go back on that, but considering they've already put focus on this themselves(not just in general, but even on their Witcher twitter) it would be incredibly bad for them.
>>13053 10 years ago expansion packs didn't exist, and if they did exist, you definitely weren't able to pre-order them.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:22:16 9ec767 No. 13245
>>13172 >And what's the problem then? It's another company doing a cheap, easy-out business practice that is getting money from doing nothing.
Once again, since no one has played it, you're giving them money over nothing and If they cheap out on the DLC it shows once again that questionable business models that can screw over consumers are successful and give money to publishers, which is what other video game businesses will see from this.
The video game industry is already full of DLC that nickel and dime and cut content and if CDPR fucks up it'll be one more piece in the shitpile. I don't want to see this model being reinforced.
Anonymous 04/12/15 (Sun) 22:42:45 3cefb2 No. 13247
>>13245 >Once again, since no one has played it, you're giving them money over nothing It's a pre order, there is nothing wrong with a pre order option as long as it doesn't withhold anything game related to the people who buy the regular version.
Everything depends on how TW3 will turn out and how the expansion will turn out and how long it will be. Something nobody knows anything about because nobody even fucking played it but everyone seems certain in, as evidenced by the now daily Witcher hate threads on /v/.
This is what things have come to, Anons hear a word and lose their shit over it convinced of impending doom and apocalypse. It sickens me.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 00:05:52 9ec767 No. 13258
>It's a pre order, there is nothing wrong with a pre order option as long as it doesn't withhold anything game related to the people who buy the regular version.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 10:50:00 3cefb2 No. 13331
>>13258 >And once again we don't know if It will or not but you're giving them money in the end No you aren't, nobody is holding a gun to your temple and forcing you to pre order. You should never pre order.
Second I can bet my left nut the pre order won't have any exclusive content, if it did it would have been announced to stimulate sales (and probably appalling even more customers) and if it did and isn't announced then that's just plain retarded because people will get up in arms over this once it's out and without the announcement no extra sales were generated.
It isn't worth the risk because we don't know the quality of the game and the quality & length of the expansions themselves. But then again nothing ever is.
You should never pre order - that's common knowledge, but people seem to go batshit over TW3 pre orders for some reason like it's anything special.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 11:14:21 3b93f5 No. 13333
I think one of the reasons for DLC is this:I find there is a difference between game that is going to happen no matter what (then i can wait and see) and something that might not be released unless people invest.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 11:19:59 3b93f5 No. 13335
>>13172 >10 years ago expansion packs didn't exist What. Yes they did. All C&C games for example.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 11:23:47 f84654 No. 13337
>>13333 Nice quads.
My pet theory for why Nintendo is suddenly embracing DLC so hard is because:
1. Their hardware and software are both suddenly capable of accepting DLC
2. Their hardware platforms aren't as popular as they were last generation
thanks in no small part to the Saturn-ization of the Wii U and the marginalization of the 3DS by way of mobile gaming , thus having as smaller amount of potential sales.
3. They realized that QoL isn't going to be the silver bullet, and will generally only pull together some insignificant impact ex-Japan.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 14:09:38 c93dc6 No. 13360
>>13245 As far as I can tell, the expansions/season pass is still going to be there after release of the base game, so again, tell me what's wrong with this. The fact that they announced it pre-release of the base game is the only thing they could have done considering what's been happening in recent time
and the fact that they've stated they will only charge money for significant content. You saw how some autists went full retard when it was announced with "they promised free DLC onlly!!12".
If they cheap out on the DLC and it turns out to be bad, less people would buy(see: Steam reviews) and less people would be inclined to buy future DLC.
If they fuck up, they'll be another company to avoid giving money to. Great. What's the problem again? They would have dug their own grave.
>I don't want to see this model being reinforced. Tough luck buddy, welcome to 2015. The only way you can "try" to stop it is by never pre-ordering anything, and just to be safe, pirate before you buy regardless of the reviewer + userbase reception of the game.
>>13335 Are you 9 and/or new?
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 15:25:57 1db643 No. 13373
>>13172 >10 years ago expansion packs didn't exist ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH? Baldur's Gate: Tales of the Sword Coast, released in 1999. The sequel had an expansion released in 2001. In that same year, Icewind Dale got the Heart of Winter expansion pack, and Diablo 2 got Lord of Terror. By 2003, The Sims had -seven- expansion packs. Heroes of Might and Magic 3 had two of them, and Sonic and Knuckles can be considered an expansion pack to Sonic 3. Age of Empires 2 had The Conquerors, Black & White had Creature Isle…
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 17:02:18 eab125 No. 13389
>>13331 >No you aren't, nobody is holding a gun to your temple and forcing you to pre order I'm not saying they are holding a gun to my head. You said you were going to pre-order so the uncesesary risk is on you.
>>13360 >As far as I can tell, the expansions/season pass is still going to be there after release of the base game, so again, tell me what's wrong with this. what I've been saying this whole entire thread
It's buying an idea while reinforcing a buisness model that has been abused
The fact that they announced it pre-release of the base game is the only thing they could have done considering what's been happening in recent time and the fact that they've stated they will only charge money for significant content.
The fact that they announced this pre-release of the game sets off alarms for me by the way season passes and DLC have been used and abused in the past. Once again they SAY that but we'll only know if they actually do once the game and the DLC come out.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 17:11:23 4e5962 No. 13391
>>13172 >10 years ago expansion packs didn't exist, and if they did exist, you definitely weren't able to pre-order them. They did exist and pre-ordering is a bad buying decision for the reasons I mentioned.
>>13333 >Video games are sold by discount more often than not these days, actually getting full price from a vidya (lets say 50$) happens more rarely. Because games are released buggy and unfinished or it's the same or worse than it's predecessors.
Triple A used to mean a polished, high-quality game thanks to big publisher shekels.
Now that money goes into marketing while the games are being rushed out because that sells better, despite the games being a broken mess.
All of my goodwill for EA, Ubisoft, Activision/Blizzard and several other companies has entirely gone and I consider them lying shitbags putting out casualized crap until I'm proven otherwise, which is why none of them will ever see a day-one purchase (or any purchase) by me again unless they get their stuff together.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 17:37:57 f07bc3 No. 13398
Dude, I didn't know about that second article about CDPR that OP posted.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 18:47:38 3cefb2 No. 13408
>>13398 Except it was a German law firm doing it on their behalf.
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 21:52:03 c93dc6 No. 13429
>>13373 >>13391 >ARE YOU FUCKING HIGH? >They did exist and pre-ordering is a bad buying decision for the reasons I mentioned. Are you two fuckwits for real? Are you being serious? It's 2015, on 8chan, and your comprehension level is
this fucking low? Jesus fucking christ. Yes, I definitely was being serious when I said that expansion packs didn't exist 10 years ago. In fact, they never existed at all!
Anonymous 04/13/15 (Mon) 22:01:57 c93dc6 No. 13430
>>13389 >The fact that they announced this pre-release of the game sets off alarms for me by the way season passes and DLC have been used and abused in the past. If they had announced it after release, say around E3, the retards' "backlash" would have been bigger and all that thing with the quote and so on and so on.
You know, maybe it would actually be best if this board got a rule of not allowing discussing yet to be released games since nobody has anything actual to say about the game since nobody has played it. There's not even a real point to this thread besides circlejerking the same opinions as always.
>>13391 I feel the same way about EA, Ubi, et cetera. With CDPR on the other hand, I'm completely fine with pre-ordering W3(and CE at that). Is there a possibility that W3 is a total shitter? Sure, of course there is, but I'm willing to take that chance with my money. If it turns out to be a shitter, that means I won't be buying the expansion packs, and that I won't be pre-ordering Cyberpunk 2077 either.
[spoiler]
>THEY'ER STILL A COMPANY WANTING YOUR MONEY YOU'RE BEING A SHITLORD FUCK PREORDERING [/spoiler]
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 15:43:21 42f327 No. 13634
>>13430 >You know, maybe it would actually be best if this board got a rule of not allowing discussing yet to be released games since nobody has anything actual to say about the game since nobody has played it. I don't think we need a rule for that but I agreee that discussion about something nobody has even played is silly.
So is buying.
Anonymous 04/14/15 (Tue) 19:08:18 f07bc3 No. 13656
>>13408 And? CDPR had them do it on their behalf. That's just as bad as them personally doing it.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 03:07:04 f03fa5 No. 13727
While I'm sure CDPR will actually deliver quality content, it's still dismaying to see the whole Season Pass thing be touted by them.and eventual future shit is gonna be a blast too, so buy buy buy!
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 13:23:50 4d2a8f No. 13794
The only kind of DLC that's okay from anybody is the free kind. Otherwise, my rule is that I buy all the content a game has or will have in one purchase or none of the game at all. Which basically means I hardly buy any games at all these days before they get a GOTY version, which as far as I'm concerned, is the actual release date of any game with paid DLC.
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 16:14:15 d05000 No. 13805
>>13794 How did you deal with expansions in the past?
Anonymous 04/15/15 (Wed) 18:21:14 844fa4 No. 13823
>>13398 >fuck that company for pursuing pirates You fucking what?
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 03:49:48 407ced No. 14164
>>13823 He's the type who'll do whatever they can to justify Pirating. See, I honestly doubt any of the Autists who pirate actually stick to the 'buy the game later' bullshit they consistently spewl. Usually, they pirate the game, sit their unemployed fat asses for a few days completing the entire game 100%, then bitch it's 'too short' thus making CDprojekt Red unworthy of their Mothers wallet.
Man, /svidya/s turning into /v/.
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 03:54:34 cbf399 No. 14165
>>14164 >Man, /svidya/s turning into /v/ Don't overreact. There's few and far between posts that are legitimate shitposts now on /svidya/. Just ignore them and report if they are shitposts, that's how we've gotten this far with the catalogue literally covered in video game discussion.
Although I will say we should be allowed to have disagreeing opinions regarded we make actual critical posts backing them up instead of just going "x is shit".
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 04:37:23 daa256 No. 14184
>>13398 I wasn't original going to buy there game but I'm going to now that they did this to pirates.
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 04:45:00 41292c No. 14187
To be honest it does suck if/when there is a downgrade/console parity for the pc version. On the plus side, I've liked the previous 2 witchers and actually found the gameplay and world building very enjoyable. I'm also a sucker for the physical releases, especially ones with all the goodies like the standard physical release they have, and I'm going to be buying it for those reasons. I can live with a graphical downgrade, I want the game for the gameplay, but yes, I'm not going to deny it sucks that CDPR is losing sight of their PC audience. If cyberpunk 2077 is like this too I'm probably not going to get that game.
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 17:48:24 daa256 No. 14261
>>13172 >10 years ago expansion packs didn't exist, and if they did exist, you definitely weren't able to pre-order them. Yes they did you fucking tard and you could pre-order them as well.
Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 21:10:58 844fa4 No. 14297
>>14164 I'm a pirate with an HDD full of pirated copies, yet I understand a company trying to protect their interests and just don't get how you can hate them for it. They had the right to do that and pursue pirates, as much as they had the right to admit its lacking effectivity and abandon DRM alltogether.
I have by the way bought several games right after pirating them, and preordered Witcher 3. Weird how it goes with those stereotypes, huh?