Would like to propose to make 4X chart. While the idea of tier lists sound appealing, in practice they have potential for some unnecessary bickering. As such, I would propose categories. Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Space, Modern. Modern would have to include 4X g

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Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 14:54:37 428978 No.14239

Would like to propose to make 4X chart. While the idea of tier lists sound appealing, in practice they have potential for some unnecessary bickering. As such, I would propose categories. Fantasy, Sci-Fi, Space, Modern.

Modern would have to include 4X games with ancient and mediavel settings with no fantasy.

Sci-Fi would be reserved for SMAC, Beyond Earth and any other future setting 4X taking place on a single planet.

Space would be reserved for those 4X that has a larger than planetary.

Fantasy are the 4X that has lots of magic and very little advancements beyond the middle ages.

Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 15:24:01 428978 No.14242

I mainly play space 4X, as my suggestions shows.

Modern:
Civilization series

Space:
Space Empires series, Star Ruler series, Endless Space, Galactic Civilizations, Masters of Orion series, Star Drive series,

Sci-Fi
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri, Sid Meier's Beyond Earth

Fantasy:
Endless Legend, Warlock Masters of the Arcane series, Fallen Enchantress.

Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 16:00:58 9155b7 No.14246

>>14239
>Civ 2

I loved that game.

Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 16:47:33 661428 No.14252

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_4X_video_games

Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 17:43:43 c2b3e3 No.14258

Aurora, if it counts as a 4X and not an autism simulator from the 90s.

Anonymous 04/17/15 (Fri) 17:47:58 428978 No.14260

>>14258

It most defenitely counts.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 04:19:19 81c79e No.14371

>>14246

I was a Colonization guy myself.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 04:20:57 9155b7 No.14373

>>14371
Civ 2 still looks great even today. It has nice simple visuals that convey exactly what they intended to and what is needed.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 04:23:13 81c79e No.14374

>>14373

Same with Colonization. I enjoy both on my toaster through the power of dfend.

I just liked how colonization felt more personal.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 05:06:22 9155b7 No.14381

>>14374
How do you define a 4X game exactly? I've always been under the assumption that Civ was just a TBS like HOMM

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 05:11:41 7301e5 No.14382

>>14242
>Star Ruler series
I'd amend that as just Star Ruler. The second one is shit and I'm glad BMS is shutting down after such a screw up.
Aurora should definitely be on there somewhere.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 05:20:15 81c79e No.14385

>>14381

Just by the base definition of 4x, explore, expand, exploit, exterminate.

Basic empire management.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 05:32:18 9155b7 No.14388

>>14385
But I can do that in age of wonders, and I definitely consider that a turn based strategy game.

Also, real time strategy like age of mythology or forged alliance, you do those things. It seems like a shaky definition.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 08:15:06 2412b0 No.14415

>>14239
91814

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 12:41:42 8fb4a7 No.14435

>>14388
Dunno about Age of Wonders, but RTS matches take an hour at best to finish.

4X "matches" take a lot longer than that.

Also, they usually have a huge tech tree(Stone age to lasers, etc), may (MoO2 Tactical, Endless Space) or may not (MoO2 Strategic, Civ,Colonization) let you design your own units. And you usually have to keep the people happy in some way, or productivity will tank.

Other than in Colonization (in which you have to fight the King of <mother nation> for independence), it's possible to win by several distinct criteria (cultural victory, military victory, expansion victory, congressional vote, destroying Antares, etc).

In RTS games, you can only win by destroying the other dude(s)'s base/army/king/etc.

Anonymous 04/18/15 (Sat) 17:14:44 91dd8b No.14458

>>14258
Aurora is Grand Strategy, not 4X. So yes, it's an autism simulator. GS master race.