ab0edb No.1665[Last 50 Posts]
Welcome one and all to the Smash Brothers thread for /svidya/!
I'd like for this thread to be used to discuss all games of the franchise (including mods such as, but not limited to, Project M and Brawl Minus) I'd like for civil discussion to happen here without bullshit like ">LIKING A MOD" or ">SM4SH >NOT PM"
I think it'd be easiest to start off the thread by asking…
Who's your main and why?
9fcb61 No.1671
I've played only 64, Gamceube with a bit of the Wii version so my opinion is limited. And I also only play with my friends so I'm not a competetive player.
Pikachu is my main with the wizard hat. All day, every day.
ab0edb No.1673
>>1671Cool, Cool!
I was playing Smash 4 with a couple of my friends at a local Barnes & Noble and he decided to bring out wizard/party hat Pikachu. We were playing with items on and he got a lucky 3 Assist-Trophies in a row while he would knock me off the stage.
His magical Pika Powers showed me what for.
712df7 No.1674
Hotwheels ate my post or something.
My main's Mega Man. And it's just because I've loved his games for so long, it's easily one of my favorite franchises. When he was announced for Smash, it was the best news he'd gotten in years, easy.
Didn't even matter about his tournament viability, I picked him because I love the character, and I think that should take precedence over anything else when picking a main in a crossover fighting game like Smash.
Outside of Mega, I used to main DK in 64 and Melee. Didn't play much of Brawl outside of a few matches at a friends house, where I just enjoyed the novelty of playing Sonic, going Super Sonic and getting an easy win while telling everyone that they're too slow.
9fcb61 No.1676
>>1673Who's your main OP? Don't tell me it's Kirby, my friend mains Kirby and I fucking hate it.
ab0edb No.1677
>>1676Me?
Well, I'm on the same boat as Mega-Anon here.
>>1674 I main Megaman considering the original Megaman series is one of my favorite video game series of all time. I've trained countless hours perfecting my Megaman game excited when I play with friends on my Wii U or out on our 3DS. Outside of Mega-Bro I main Gold Captain Falcon, Fierce Deity Link, and
Default Lucina <3 712df7 No.1678
>>1677I feel like I was always one of the most boring people on /v/ because I don't really main alt costumes or colors.On that note I just spent the past 5 minutes trying to find a picture I had of a recolor some anon did of Mega Man in Smash to show what a possible Proto Man skin would look like. Fuck.
>>1676I have a friend who mains Kirby, and apparently his strategy mainly revolves around down B while in mid-air. Which is weird since it's easy to dodge and he's normally the best at fighting games.
788e4f No.1679
>>1677Mega Man is very fun. He feels and plays exactly how I hoped for him to. That said I still suck with him lol. Not really that great with Newcomers because I've been busy perfecting my veteran mains (Ness and Mario).
When I bite the dust with them. I want to get better with Mega Man, Shulk, and Especially Pac-Man.
Has anyone fought any good Pac-Man's on For Glory? I really want to believe he has potential I have not yet tapped.
af4d6e No.1680
Does anyone want to play PM through Dolphin with me a bit, or some 3DS netplay? My main is Ness and Marth. Steam ID is steamcommunity.com/id/Pauliwhop if you want to message me about it.
3fd778 No.1682
>>1679I play an OK Pac-Man, but I don't think I play well enough to teach you anything.
Anyway, I usually play Pac-Man with Black stripes, Toon Link, or Female Villager.
ab0edb No.1685
>>1680I don't play PM that much, man. I wouldn't be a worthy fight.
Besides I don't know how to set up net-play 712df7 No.1686
>>1679I don't think I'm a pro with Pac, but he's damn easy and fun to use. His side specials are wonderful, his tilts are godly, and his air game while short range is nothing to snuff at. When a friend played Jigglypuff I kept him juggled for a solid half minute or so.
I was pretty skeptical when he was announced, but he easily has one of the best movesets in Smash, and he's just plain fun to play.
af4d6e No.1688
>>1685I don't play much either, I can set it up for you though. Want to add me on Steam or set up some IRC so we can chat? It could be fun, I'll bring dank memes
af4d6e No.1689
>>1688>>1685When I said I'll set it up I meant I'm making a volafile room with the package set up so you can just do two things and then we can play.
ab0edb No.1694
>>1688>>1689Sorry man, I'm drawfagging right around now. I can't really play. Though I give many thanks for the offer. Not a whole lot of people want me to play vidya with them.
26f1fb No.1695
If this double posts due to server shenanigans, I will be mildly upset.
In Melee and Project M, it has to be Captain Falcon. He runs fast, jumps far, and hits hard. He feels so good, so natural. When I'm not spamming the short- hop- dair, I can consistently high jump, que knee, and fastfall into the sweetspot. Whump. He's, uh, he's a lot of fun to play.
I want to main NESS to represent my favorite video game, but his style is a little more patient. Okay.
DK, Sonic, Snake, Mario, Link, and Yoshi are pretty good too, but everyone's viable in Project M.
In Smash 4, I keep switching. I can't falcon due to the ever- so- slight online lag. Every character feels pretty stiff, so I play more for fun and use new characters such as MEGA MAN, Villager, and Little Mac. Whether I'm shooting lemons, pecking slingshots, or perfectly timing a heavy dash attack, I feel more giddy and silly in this one.
I can't hit hard enough to KO effectively with Wii Fit Trainer and Duck Hunt. I hate the fact that in Sm4sh certain moves will never ever KO, and others will at 60%.
af4d6e No.1696
>>1694Allright, hit me up sometime, I have a long break from close so maybe we can play in a couple weeks. The volafile for the PM Netplay Package is right here.
https://volafile.io/r/WQpgBJ It's in the process of uploading. Steam ID is "Pauliwhop". Good luck with the art, I hope it's dank.
af4d6e No.1697
>>1695Nice, I wish I had the tech skill to play PM more consistently, I'm working on it. I realized I'm pretty shit at 3ds smash so I kind of gave up on it. I'll get back into it on Wii U when I get it.
26f1fb No.1700
>>1697There is a huge difference in Project M between playing against computers and real players. I never had the feel for P: M down until I started regularly playing with other people.
The only tech skills you really need to get down are short hops, occasionally L- Cancels which you'll get in time if you use a heavy character(Bowser is great practice), and actually using your shield and grabs. You'll do fine. Just cut yourself some slack against the CPU's; they're brutal when they don't self destruct.
I'd like to call positioning a technique, but it's more planning and running around such that you're out of range of their moves and they're in range of yours than actual inputs. It comes with time. I honestly recommend watching a bunch of high- level Smash gifs or videos occasionally for a long time, because I think that did it.
In order to not become "that guy", you must remember that you're playing this for fun first and everything else second. Always remember that. af4d6e No.1701
>>1700I don't know, If I'm being frank I'm just bad at smash. Maybe that'll get better with time. I can always shop ff, I need to work on the l cancel, and then it's on to wavedashes, after that I'll probably mess around with the ladder but I don't know. Considering how trash I am at Smash 4 I don't know if I'll be good at PM anyway. S4 is supposed to be more casual, but I get rekt by most people.
26f1fb No.1702
>>1701Maybe I'm not that good yet, but I don't think that wave dashing is necessary. And if it's intimidating you, then disregard it. If someone's wavedashing in front of you, just play defensively. I've beaten a spastic Fox in Melee as DK by simply staying calm. You can play the game or don't, as long as you're having a good time.
af4d6e No.1703
>>1702Want to fuck around with me a bit in Netplay then? If not I'll probably be playing with bots a bit before I go to bed. My Smashboards ID and Steam ID is Pauliwhop, if you want to fuck around with low tier characters a bit.
26f1fb No.1704
>>17033DS or Wii? If you can explain to me how to get my unhacked Wii up and running online Project M, then I'll do it in the morning. I'll shoot you a message.
af4d6e No.1705
>>1704You can do it on Wii or you can do it through Dolphin the emulator. If your PC is strong enough, the former is easier. If the latter is necessary, I'll explain it in a minute, let me figure it out. I have a hacked wii but IIRC you can do it with an unsoftmodded Wii. Give me a second.
9fcb61 No.1720
So with my limited experience on the franchise, could someone summarize how the newest game differs from Melee?
712df7 No.1721
>>1720Even more characters, more floaty but not as floaty as Brawl. More stages, items, and modes.
Smash Tour is an abortion though.
ab0edb No.1729
>>1720People can usually give you very limited information considering just how different the newer Smash games are.
Smash 4 and Brawl both changed the game for a more friendly-fun environment for players and their friends even going to the point where a mode dedicated to 8 players was included. This means, of course, stocks take a bit longer to be taken off (half a minute or so) and combos are scarce if not simple 2 hit combos. Advanced techniques which gave people quicker movement options such as Wavedashing and L-Cancelling have been taken out as well. Momentum carried from jumps has been taken out for the sake of slow and heavy characters who were gimped otherwise if hit off-stage. The games have a lower skill ceiling but they aren't exactly "un-playable" as many people like to yell out. They're still fun and if anything, the added characters, music, stages, items, and overall content add to the games' quality over the years.
d8815f No.1733
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>>1665I main toon link because he has decent speed, plus his attacks have decent power, range and strike rather quickly with very little ending lag.
712df7 No.1741
>>1678I found it. What I wanted to use this for was I wanted to see if anyone would like the idea of alternate skin DLC for multiple characters. Pic related for Mega Man, Ms Pac-Man, etc. I know a lot of people think DLC is cancer, but if it were a free update I'd be pretty damn hype.
d8815f No.1749
>>1741I wish that had actually been an alt. Also, protomans theme would have been better than the airman stage imo. I didn't really like sakurais music selection for the 3ds version.
9fcb61 No.1772
>>1729>>1721Brutal, I'm not really sold on the idea except for the expanded roster. May be a long time before I get it for my WiiU.
ab0edb No.1833
>>1772Yeah. In a way it's interesting how insane the changes are. Personally I think Smash 4's engine is the absolute smoothest and the only issue I have with it is the sheer length opponents fly away which, in result, doesn't allow for longer combos. Other than that I'd say Smash 4 feels extremely smooth, but that's probably because I'm more used to the frame data of Sm4sh as opposed to PM/Melee. I also enjoy how I can stay alive for longer than 30 seconds because I felt stocks in Melee went by too fast not allowing for an adequate amount of play time.
That being said, I do think the removal of advanced playing options leads to a large disadvantage to the Smash series. I'm don't hate Sakurai, in fact I much respect the man and his hard work ethic, but I really don't agree with his viewpoint of making the skill floor and skill ceiling so low.
In any case, when it comes to your Wii U, I don't think Smash is a game that you'll be playing often if you don't have friends around, so I think you should find some single player titles that you're interested in for the Wii U. I'd give a few but I'm afraid this thread will go off topic.
ab0edb No.1834
>>1749If you're stuck with the 3DS version then I honestly feel a little bad for you because god damn, the 3DS version is actually pretty bad compared to the Wii U version. I don't think Wii U's music selection is better (when it comes to Megaman
;_;) but the sheer size and range of remixes for other franchises is absolutely amazing. From Showa-Era Dedede to French-Piano Champion Cynthia; I honestly think Smash 4's Soundtrack is the best to date. I just wish they had more orchestrated pieces like Melee.
fd585f No.1878
My main is Zero Suit Samus and Ike, but i actually play with 10 or more characters at the same time. Its my first Smash Brothers and i'm playing mostly for fun, without caring too much in being competitive.
ab0edb No.1924
>>1878If you ever get bored I'd definitely recommend hunting down some custom moves and experimenting with them because holy shit they add a whole new spice to the game that I didn't think would be possible. A lot of custom moves have effects that items have, like Luigi's Ice-Fireball where instead of burning and damaging it freezes and allows you to run in with an attack of some sort. I hope you enjoy your time with the new Smash, anon.
712df7 No.1925
>>1834If they had orchestra versions for a song of at least every character, that'd be pretty great. I'd love to hear something like the Mega Man 2 medley but in orchestra form
b2884c No.1926
How do I stop sucking dick with Kirby, /svidya/? I stopped using my down and side specials every other minute once I realized it was retarded but I can't DI so I keep getting comboed and FUCK
712df7 No.1928
>>1926I think Kirby's real strengths are his tilt moves and the difficulty it is for someone to get a ring out with him.
bd79d1 No.1929
>>1928As well as his fucking insane recovery.
Kirby is the most OP against people who don't play often
then again that could be said about most characters 9fcb61 No.1932
>>1833Thanks. I may get it some time down the road but that seems unlikely. I'll look into more singe player titles for the WiiU.
af4d6e No.1936
>>1833The problem with combos isn't the distance as much in my opinion. It's the 0 hitstun. You can jump out of pretty much every combo, it needs to be a little bit more I think.
d782b9 No.1994
>>1665Started with Melee pretty damn late into the Gamecube's life. Played Captain Falcon as well as I could.
Picked up Brawl and played it for a long time. Captain Falcon felt fucking awful so I picked up Lucario instead.
Then I began following the competitive folks, and found Project M. Can play about half the cast, favoring Captain Falcon and Mewtwo. Having gratuitous amount of fun. Tech grinding isn't all that fun, but when you hit the threshold where you can manage to do it most of time time, it's very gratifying.
I can't go back to Brawl without friends.
d8815f No.2009
>>1834I don't have a wiiu, so I kinda am stuck.
e092d9 No.2021
I always have this feeling that I'm not supposed to play fox/falco in PM
I don't think people will hate me for it, but it still feels kind of strange
26f1fb No.2028
>>2021For the sake of being contrarian, I won't main or even secondary Fox, Falco, Shiek, Marth, or Diddy Kong. You should play whoever feels good to play, though, which is my justification for Captain Falcon.
It's not a problem in P: M anyway. Everyone's top 5, or so they say.
87e9e6 No.2036
>>2021I know how you feel. I started regularly playing Melee with friends during downtime at uni and went from someone who had only played the N64 version to someone who could consistently place in the top two in any given 4-player battle. I'm happy with that, and I have fun. Usually I main Captain Falcon or Luigi, but I do like playing Peach and Game & Watch and Dr. Mario as well as a few other characters once in a while.
But when it comes to picking characters randomly, I always feel a pang of guilt when I play Fox, Falco, Marth, Roy, or Zelda/Sheik. Especially with Marth, it's so easy to cheese with those characters that even resounding victories feel hollow and joyless.
I dunno, I just like to have fun. When it gets serious, that's when the butthurt begins to flow and that's when friendships break over the pettiest shit. Usually I just pull out Young Link and start doing the blender until people forget whatever they were mad about in order to destroy my ass.
fde150 No.2037
squirtle because he's the most fun.
d9d363 No.2042
>>1833I like how Smash 4 plays but fuck me if half the new characters aren't the laziest designs ever. There's so many recycled moves that it makes you wonder why they added so many characters in the first place (probably to push the success of their respective games, come to think of it). I hate that there's like six different characters with a reflect or anti-projectile special.
ab0edb No.2054
bd5b75 No.2086
Game and Watch
I have to spam chef in order to do anything
a416e4 No.2141
>tfw hopeless at Smash Bros
It's not good.
da756e No.2675
>>1926Kirby main to the rescue.
Never use hammer. Jump to escape combos, you're floaty, so make some use of it. Use rock to punish people that are shit at the game and try to follow up everything, and use it to kill people that recover low. Make use of f smash's good range. Combo down air into down tilt, up tilt, or down tilt f-smash. Down tilt sometimes trips. Down air spikes. Shorthop nair is a thing. Use inhale against opponents with good n specials, such as shulk, anyone with a projectile, but never against little mac. Inhale should be a surprising move. Up special can spike people if you use it offstage and they get caught in it, similar to ike. Keep playing Best Character.
4bd30b No.2677
>>2036>that webmoh god, my sides.
I main Ganondorf because I like the power he has. Plus, it's satisfying to dunk, kick, and stomp those fuckers I usually play with. None of us are especially good at the game so a lot of Ganondorf's shortcomings as a character don't affect me so much.
It's pretty much a tradition now for me to play the first match of every night as bubblegum pink DK, though. af4d6e No.2694
>>2028Marth is such a clean character. I try to play characters that have entirely good or at least usable moves. If they just swapped Fox and Falco's fair to nair I think I would play them but I don't know. Like Mango has said before, they're the rock stars of smash but sometimes they OD on cocaine.
b7b33d No.3853
I main Dedede because he's just lovely.
It's very satisfying to smack people around with a giant wooden hammer with the nice, bassy *Boomf*.
My other favourites are Kirby, Charizard and Bowser.
>>1926Be unpredictable when engaging.
Tilts, dash attack, fair, nair and dair are all great combo starters and with five air jumps and a command grab you can mix up your game a lot.
Always pummel when grabbing and grab often. Kirby can follow-up almost every grab.
Play with hit-and-run tactics. Kirby is very fast and unpredictable.
f9f13f No.3861
>>1665Does anyone else have art like OP's, with all of the characters doing stuff together? I like those…
8f5d03 No.3864
I've mained Koopa Kid. It feel like his character is built around running away and dealing damage.
6fdd4d No.3881
I play Megaman and Lucina, and I'm getting alright with MM. He's a unique character who gets utterly boned by some matchups (like characters with good reflectors). He's definitely capable when you get to know him, and his lemons are amazing tools.
You just need to play to his strengths.
bd0720 No.3883
I haven't been practicing even though there are bi-weekly tournaments. Just not enough time.
Did like to play Falcon and Shulk. Not sure how good I am with them.
af4d6e No.3884
>>3881It's a shame Marth got butchered so bad in Sm4sh. It's part of why I play PM instead now.
6fdd4d No.3889
>>3884I played Marth in Melee, and Toon Link in Brawl. I just play Lucina because I think she's cute (and she is essentially ez-mode Marth).
ab0edb No.9137
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Reviving this thread with some new content from your friends of the Project M Development team!
With this trailer we see the inclusion with some stages that can cater to casuals and competitive players while still looking nice. We also see noticeable balance changes to Bowser and Wario who, for some reason, seem a bit more emphasized than other characters A nice change of pace from 3.5 which was a bit of a disappointment! I can only hope this update comes out within the next month or so!
97f53f No.9143
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My main man is DeDeDe. Ive always prefered playing as heavy characters (main in ssb1 being dk and melee being ganon) just because it was harder to be thrown and they're often the heaviest hitters. I just prefer dedede's range, weight, and reach mix.
>>3853>It's very satisfying to smack people around with a giant wooden hammer with the nice, bassy *Boomf*.this. He takes time to charge up his hits, but when they land, they're orgasmic. Bowser has become a close second of mine.
I've recently gotten into Smashketball. If you haven't made a Smashketball stage yet, I suggest trying it out.
44de01 No.9248
>>9137Project M isn't good, anon.
ab0edb No.9371
>>9248What a terrible thing to say! I personally think it's one of the finest works of fan projects ever. It may not be a complete overhaul of every Smash brothers aspect but it's a pretty ambitious project with people who really do care about the source material.
dc125d No.9813
Does anyone know a good place to get custom gamecube controllers?
ab0edb No.9878
>>9813Any local Mom & Pop store. Amazon. Ebay.
Craigslist 5b15c5 No.10030
I really like SSB4 but god damn I'm getting fed up with some of its aspects.
People never want a fun fight, just roll roll roll, flowchart builds like the obligatory Ness fighting style…
I know Brawl is nowhere near Melee's combat flow and technicality, but it felt personal when you fought someone.
In 4, people will fling themselves at you until they connect the one hit they need to flowchart combo-lock you into infinity.
It's less of a personal battle, more of a boring routine.
Like people no longer want to have fun.
Why?
ab0edb No.10039
>>10030Because you're playing with one of the worst fanbases to exist on planet earth.
3b3d33 No.10324
I PK rock Ness
I've always have loved Earthbound since the 90's.
Fuck all those hipster faggots though.
3b3d33 No.10325
>>10324Forgot to add that I like to use PK thunder to launch myself into enemies.
5be817 No.10885
Can we take a moment to talk about how utterly shit smash tour is?
How is anyone supposed to have fun with that?
I dare you to play smash tour with friends and see how many would be up for a second round.
You don't get to play with characters you actually want to play with. Everyone is launchable way too easily. With the thousands of items being shat into the stages in seconds and people often even starting with some it's not unsual that someone is blasted into the stratosphere in the first second.
Of ten fights, maybe one you'll get to actually play the game instead of being hit by four sources at once at all times.
And don't even think about playing with the CPU. Those fuckers will last minutes against each other when all players are kill, making you watch two CPUs spaz around.
Seriously, why is even a heavy being shot towards the blast line by a f-tilt from Mario?
So the matches don't last longer than ten seconds?
God forbid you'd actually get to play Smash and have the fucking board game portion interrupted.
Fuck Smash Tour!
712df7 No.10889
>>10885I don't think anyone in the world is going to defend Smash Tour.
97f53f No.10909
>>10885Completely agree. Smash Tour could be removed in a random patch without warning and I wouldn't even know it's gone.
d7e809 No.10934
Yeah, Smash Tour is … weird. It takes a lot of inspiration from Itadaki Street, what with the checkpoints and the randomness and the horrible cheating computer, but replaces finance with violence.
It's EXTRA weird in that most players seem to find the random luck elements of Smash the most annoying part of the game, so adding a game mode that's entirely based on luck seems counterintuitive.
Doubly so that we got this instead of Smash Run, which would have worked so much better on the Wii U. On a big HD screen, you could actually appreciate the details in that huge dungeon. Maybe they could even have used the extra storage to add multiple stages to it - play a Megaman themed Smash Run in a high tech stage, for instance. It would nearly make up for the lack of an adventure mode.
But nope, instead we're wandering around a board game in glorious HD. Weird decision.
55ee65 No.10937
>>9137New stages and game mode look pretty cool.
Hope they do some rebalancing. They've done a good job, but the window for Ganon's projectile reflection is too small.
065b7b No.11273
>>1702As a tourneyfag, i can confirm this.
Also fuck that one mechanic in smash 4 where the game thinks when i drift backwards in the air it means i want my character turning around the second their feet touches the ground. What the fuck.
065b7b No.11276
>>1720Its slower, floatier, combos are sparce once your opponent gets good enough to mash airjump and airdodge, and if you get far enough in the competitive scene it turns really campy and stale. Tbh if youre not aiming to win apex, it can be fun. But if you get cheesed or camped, the answer to that is to stop playing fun and switch characters/styles.
de9f05 No.11284
>>1702>>1701>wavedashing isn't necessaryWavedashing might not be necessary on a certain level (like locals or just with friends), but It's strongly advised that you do anyway. Just simply learning wavedashing will improve your ground game exponentially. It is especially important on certain characters like Fox, Falco, Marth, and Luigi. It's relatively easy to learn but the hard part is applying it in actual games productively. I've been trying to implement wavedashing in my play style for a while now and i'm not still satisfied. I strongly recommend you learn it if you want to get good.
af5f60 No.11288
>>10885>I dare you to play smash tour with friends and see how many would be up for a second roundAll my friends were up for a second round of Smash Tour, anon. I don't think the game mode is meant to be taken seriously.
>I dare you to play smash tour with friends and see how many would be up for a second roundIf you want to play Smash, why not just select that option from the menu?
>>10934It still kills me that there is no proper adventure mode. For lonerfags like me, adventure mode and the Subspace Emissary were godsends.
ab0edb No.11324
>>10885I wouldn't say shit, but it definitely isn't a great game mode to replace Adventure mode. The short times on the Smash minigames really ruin any pace and momentum gained, and I think it would be way more fun if given the chance to lengthen battle times and lower the rate of trophy-items.
7a9b61 No.11328
So I like using Falcon, Pacman, and shulk. Which should I focus on?
How is amiibo AI stuff.
ab0edb No.11331
>>11328Definitely Falcon and Shulk if you look towards competitive play. Falcon is a high risk/reward character who relies on overwhelming opponents with his really fast and tough attacks. Shulk is incredibly spacy and defensive and can adapt to most situations.
Amiibo AI is relatively good (at least on my end) I recently got my hands on a Megaman Amiibo and named him "Robaron"
He's learned a whole lot and does quite well in spars with me. He can usually take me down a stock and a half.
7a9b61 No.11335
>>11331I've been throwing my link amiibo at level 9 AIs. I can't beat it now.
Now I'm using it to train my other amiibos.
af5f60 No.11385
>>11335I would like amiibos more if they didn't cheat. They read your frame inputs (which isn't that bad) and deal about twice as much damage as a regular character at lvl 50. I can beat my Peach amiibo with Little Mac because his moves are tough for the amiibo to predict and he can break shields, but that's about it.
5fb7a7 No.11638
>>11288>If you want to play Smash, why not just select that option from the menu?That's the thing: Regular Smash with items is tons more fun to play and doesn't feel nearly as unfair.
Smash Tour is 100% obsolete.
>It still kills me that there is no proper adventure mode. For lonerfags like me, adventure mode and the Subspace Emissary were godsends.That's why I'm so sore about Smash Tour. They replaced a proper single player mode with a multiplayer mode that isn't any good.
It feels like barely anything you do actually matters in Smash Tour. It's so excessively random with almost all things that can happen to you being either negative or pointless.
Even if you actually end up having a character you like and know how to use for the final smash you can't enjoy it.
In Mario Kart the guys on the worse positions get better items to even the playingfield a little bit and you know what to expect.
I'm the best driver amongst my friends and often win because I'm smart about keeping bananas to block shells and such. I don't start with an unfair advantage, though.
If in Smash Tour however I end up with five chars against the other players having only one to three the game is pretty much decided.
Nobody likes rigged games.
5fb7a7 No.11639
>>11385Can one even manage to get the stock punch to hit without frame trapping on a high level amiibo?
Level 9 bots never ever get hit by it unless it's 100% unpreventable I feel.
af5f60 No.11751
>>11638Fair enough. I had never thought about Smash Tour coming at the cost of an adventure mode, but that was probably how they structured it in development. Fuck.
>>11639What do you mean by "stock punch?" Little Mac's neutral B? Because that was never going to hit anyway; it's not a good move. I was more referring to his Jolt Haymaker, because an amiibo will shield it every time if you do the punch early, but if you wait it out until the punch happens at the end, they can get caught by it.
677aa4 No.11857
>>11751I mean his K.O. punch that slowly charges.
I don't think I've ever hit a lvl 9 bot with it unless they absolutely can't possibly do anything about it.
Has anyone found a better way of unlocking custom moves besides classic mode?
Currently, I tend to farm classic on lvl 5 because that's quick and easy with decend rewards but it's rather boring.
fc0066 No.11867
>>11857Oh, that. It's possible to hit with it, but I guess you do have to frame trap them. Although I don't know how you actually frame trap in Smash, so I could either be doing that or just getting lucky.
>custom movesDon't use them, so I don't know. God, that's another thing that pisses me off about this: unlocking moves and trophies means you have the chance of getting the same trophy again. It's such horseshit.
677aa4 No.11877
>>11867I've only hit with it after baiting airdodges and using the landing lag to hit them.
Customs are almost a must for some chars. DK profits massively with the cyclone and the super armour headbutt.
There's even a super armour version of Dedede's down B, making it possible (but still unlikely) to clobba dat dere kirbeh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5UEG0eS1vsI'm looking forward to evo with customs.
f800fb No.11928
I'm new to Smash (the wiiU is my first ninty console and I've only ever played Smash at friend's houses), but how do I git gud with Dong? I feel slower than the other characters and getting close enough to grab is difficult.
af5f60 No.11959
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>>11877Is there a banlist for custom moves? It seems like they would be really to exploit.
>>11928>vid related, he specializes in breaking shields and catching people out of rolls>d-tilt chains with itself and can trip opponents>his Bair, Nair, Uair are all really good>spinning kong on the ground is a really good way to apply pressure>use hand slaps to catch people out of rolls>use headbutt to break shields e03f6d No.11994
>>11959Same anon here.
No, there isn't and that's why it's going to be so interesting. They want to see how the tourney plays out and then make a judgement.
Personally, I find that to be a great decision.
>>11928Dankey is really good in the air. His back, up, down and neutral are all really good. The front is slow and obvious but hits like a truck should you get it in.
The custom moves are absolutely worth it for him!
His wind punch is super annoying and can gimp and outright kill.
The cyclone spin sucks people in with a windbox and has no landing lag at all when you end it on the ground.
The armoured headbutt tanks almost every hit.
The hot slap is even better at edgeguarding than his normal slap. It only has a hitbox infront of him as a pillar of fire that has crazy knockback. If your opponent recovers low he's pretty much done for.
With customs he's easily upper mid tier, in my opinion.
A combo worth going for with regular moves is neutral air, jab 1 2, down tilt and if it trips you can headbut them into the ground and down air them while stuck in the ground. You might even get an up air in at some percents.
Grab instantly after changing direction to do a pivot grab. It has longer range than standing or running grab.
It's also less predictable because you can also just jump and back air instead, something you should definately learn because it's a great approach.
Or just punch them. DK has good range and his side tilt can also trip if you aim it at the feet.
Don't worry about your big punch too much. If you don't find time to charge it, don't bother. DK does well even without it.
fc808f No.12023
Main is Pacman every day.
Pros:
Incredibly good at evasion
Recovery is great with power pellet and trampoline
Bonus fruits make for a versatile set of traps to make
Fire hydrant is good for throwing off predictions and a great down B in general.
Cons:
Grab is incredibly slow so you have to time it perfectly or risk getting killed
Certain moves such as the power pellet have tons of animation frames at the end of the attack
Bonus fruit are somewhat predictable and can be utilized against you with ease
Overall I love his playstyle despite the cons and I've managed to do decently against for glory players.
7a9b61 No.12032
Man I'm pretty shit. I keep getting bodied in for glory. How do I git gud, if everyone has like a year experience on me.
fc808f No.12049
>>12032Practice practice practice.
Hop into training and beat level 9 CPUs until they're nothing but an amorphous blob of blue.
Learn how to combo moving targets and time your attacks.
Don't know if this would work for many others, but learn evasiveness. Practice against a really fast level 9 CPU and try your best to see how long you can last without taking damage while also attempting to dish out damage.
Don't forget as well, For Glory isn't like a tournament. Practice against humans as well, as bots will not ever be exactly like them.
Grabs are a necessity in a lot of cases.
Sometimes it's just better to shield than evade.
As for the characters you like, I can only give decent advice for Pacman. I'm awful with Shulk and I rarely play Captain Falcon.
2bad13 No.12112
>>12032There are two things you should learn before even bothering about combos and such:
Teching and
DIPress block before you hit the ground when you've been knocked away to get up instantly.
This will improve your survivability massively!
Likewise, if your opponent misses his tech, always punish.
DI is basically pointing the stick in the direction you want to be sent flying
right before you get hit.
You want to aim for the upper corners of the stage to allow for more travel time before you hit the blastlines.
It sounds counter intuitive, and it is, but you'll be noticably harder to kill.
Most people on for glory aren't all that good. You'll be able to keep up in no time.
Who are you playing?
f800fb No.13077
>>10885I reckon to improve Smash Tour they'd have to do three things.
1.) Explain it better.
2.) Provide a way to choose which of your characters you play as
3.) Make the trophy's less able to cause instant KO. A nigger starting constantly with the hammer is pretty much bullshit.
97f53f No.13256
87e9e6 No.13262
>always play Melee with friends
>none of us are tryhards
>sometimes someone gets Marth, Fox, Falco, or Sheik when going random
>suddenly match becomes a 3v1 to kill them or else they win by default
It's exciting.
d39282 No.13267
>>13077It's really just too quick in general due to 40% pretty much being kill percentage and too many items.
Besides setting the knockback to normal and being able to chose which of your characters you play I would've liked to be able to pick a character at the start as some kind of team leader with three lives.
You could pick your leader and risk loosing a life or chose a different char.
It would be less likely for someone not having any fighters at all and you'd have a better fighting chance in the final smash.
d39282 No.13269
On a different note:
Seeing as we've got some characters that are pretty much the same or similar, what is your choice if you'd had to play either?
>Link or Toon Link
>Mario or Dr. Mario
>Pit or Dark Pit
>Marth or Lucina
>Fox or Falco
>Captain Falcon or Gannondorf :^)
For me it's:
Toon Link
Mario
Dark Pit
Marth
Falco
Gannondorf
f800fb No.13304
>>13269>Toon Link>Dr Mario>Never played either>Never played either>Falco>C. Falcon 849626 No.13382
>>13269>Link or Toon Linkneither
>Mario or Dr. Mariodr.
>Pit or Dark Pitneither
>Marth or Lucinamarth
>Fox or Falcofox
>Captain Falcon or Gannondorf :^)captain
smash tour sucks and I don't mean how it's executed but the very idea of a smash boardgame.
>>12112fast falling and shorthops are really important as well.
>>2036that webm
97f53f No.13579
>>13269>Link or Toon LinkLink. I prefer his power and defense over toon link's speed.
>Mario or Dr. MarioEither. Mario has better costumes so I usually pick him.
>Pit or Dark PitPit. There is no difference in how they play, but I know Pit from brawl. Dark Pit seems like a character you need to play the 3DS game to like.
>Marth or LucinaMarth. Again, they're basically the same and you need to play the 3DS game to like Lucina
>Fox or FalcoFox. I prefer his speed over Falco's power.
>Captain Falcon or GannondorfCatain Falcon. Again, prefer his speed over power
db202b No.13630
>>13579>need to play the 3DS game to like Dark Pit/LucinaCare to explain?
712df7 No.13635
>>13269>LinkMore attached to his original than the Toon. I rely more on the tilts and air moves than I do the specials, so the extra bit of range helps.
>MarioI honestly suck with either because I don't give him the time of day. But Fireballs are more enjoyable than pills I guess.
>LucinaLess worry about pinpoint at the tip of the sword. Plus I enjoyed Awakening and her character.
>FoxBetter air moves. I don't like Falco's forward air. And he's easier to learn due to not as gofast.
>GanondorfPrefer to satisfaction of doing insane damage when I can land a hit. But then it leaves a bit of salt in my mouth that he's still a clone three games later.
97f53f No.13733
>>13630Dark Pit is from Kid Icarus Uprising and Lucina is from Fire Emblem Awakening, both games for the 3DS. They play almost exactly like their clone counterparts, so Im assuming that their appeal comes from their games.
b99ffd No.13799
I loved Ice Climbers as a kid, but when I started getting interested in the competitive side of things, I started leaving them behind because I didn't think I could develop the tech skill to do all the fancy shit with desyncing and wobbling and chaingrabbing and all that.
I've decided that I was tired of not playing a character I used to love just because I didn't think I was good enough, so I've been grinding out IC tech practice in Melee and Balanced Brawl the past few weeks.
I can't believe how much fun it is! A lot of the normal shit I did as a kid is still needed to play ICs well, but the advanced techniques add a whole new level to the game that I've just been missing out on all this time. Downside is that my friends are starting to really hate me lol.
I'm more upset than ever before about them being gone from Smash 4 now.
114423 No.13811
>>13733Oh, right.
I wasn't thinking about that because I don't know anything about Kid Icarus or Fire Emblem in the first place.
>>13799There is a good chance of them coming back as DLC at least.
The 3DS can, supposedly, not handle the both of them so they aren't in Smash 4 alltogether as they wanted the same characters in both versions.
I still don't really believe that argument, though. Why can the 3DS handle four players playing Rosalina & Luma but not the Ice Climbers?
Seems like an excuse to me.
97f53f No.13834
>>13811>Why can the 3DS handle four players playing Rosalina & Luma but not the Ice Climbers?This. Im not a fan of the Ice Climbers, but I don't see why they can't function in SSB4.
b99ffd No.13848
>>13811>>13834Some people think it has something to do with the fact that Nana's AI is more complex and that she'd be a more complex model than Luma or the Pikmin.
7f0605 No.13855
>>13848Nana's AI is very simple. When she is apart from Popo, she tries to get back to Popo. When they are together, she is controlled directly by the player.
b99ffd No.13858
>>13855Actually, she will attack and recover in slightly complicated ways when separated if she runs into an enemy. I still don't know that I buy that there was no way to make it work on the 3DS, but Olimar and Rosalina don't really prove anything.
e0e666 No.13864
One of these days I'm going to try out SD Remix. I really like PM but I just want to see how others would approach balancing Melee.
af4d6e No.13865
>>13855It's not even kind of that simple a little bit in Melee. Have you ever actually played as Icies?
fb4d3b No.13871
Is there any way to easily share maps with you guys?
712df7 No.13873
So what are your guys' thoughts on Mewtwo?
ab0edb No.13877
>>13873He's the Akuma of Smash with a focus on his trick plays. Disable and Confusion are absolutely necessary to use in combat and cannot be shunned as much as people would like them to. Shadow Ball is incredibly important, and using Mewtwo's specials is mandatory. His normals, for the most part, are too risky and incredibly weak when compared to how open you are if you whiff an attack. His aerials are fantastic and are his second greatest assets. He's overall a fantastic character who I can see being a threat from competitive players in the future.
712df7 No.13888
>>13877I saw some complaints about how floaty he is, but I think it makes a lot of sense for his character. As a clone of Mew, he should naturally feel floaty. That ability to stay in the air without use of more ups like Kirby or Pit, helps nail aerials a lot for me. It's feels really good and I tend to play him primarily in the air so far, and it's a nice change from my main of Mega Man, who also has great aerials but is heavier in the air I think.
Need to experiment with the specials more. Shadow Ball is good, but I wish it did damage while charging like Lucario's. And disable being a projectile hurts it a lot. My first match as against a Link who could block it just by standing there.
f800fb No.13889
>>13873What's the deal with Mewtwo being free to some people? Did I have to register with Club Nintendo or something?
712df7 No.13891
>>13889Yeah. Myself and other people got him today because we bought and registered with CN both versions of Smash. He'll be available for purchase in another two weeks I think for everyone else.
8820cc No.14234
>>11273Not a very good tourneyfag apparently.
436723 No.14244
>>13269>Link>already play the DAILY DOSE>Edgy Pit>Marth>FOX ONLY ect.>GLORIOUS SLAMMINDORF>>13877I pretty much agree with your analysis here.
065b7b No.14406
I found out you can just jump out of mewtwos side b if you get caught in it. What the fuck? Does this move literally have no use aside from projectile reflection?
ab0edb No.14525
>>14406Mewtwo's side-b can lock you into two different options. Jump out leading to give Mew2 space to charge shadow ball or chase you, or take the drop and grab/disable. It's not bad at all, people who play Mewtwo just have to have a plan with what to do after confusion.
9fb68f No.14532
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Is Mewtwo really any better than he was in melee? I know he kinda sucked with his moves not even connecting and a throw that was terrible, but did he get better?
Looks pretty cool to use.
af4d6e No.14539
>>14532Not really that gr8 but usmash uthrow uair and bair are bretty gud. I'd give him a C+
454df7 No.14785
>>13891
I couldn't register my Wii U version anymore because I was a day late.
Really fucking great of Nintendo to have the codes expire now and having the Wii U code expire way sooner than the 3DS one.
At least it doesn't look like I would like Mewtwo. He seems terribad.
ffd75d No.15128
i cant figure out who these two characters are. are they fire emblem people who arent in the roster?
712df7 No.15143
>>14785
Sounds like sour grapes man. That does suck that they expired so fast though.
>>15128
Top is Chrom. I don't recognize the bottom girl at all. Artist self insert would be my guess.
bf41f1 No.15144
>>14532
>captain_falcon_looks_towards_the_sun
He's not looking towards the sun, you can clearly see it's off to the side by the shadows on his face.
97f53f No.15145
>>15143
>>15128
The girl is Wii Fit Trainer.
712df7 No.15153
>>15145
That is a seriously pisspoor way of drawing her. I would never have guessed if you hadn't told me.
af4d6e No.15156
>>15153
With only two colors in the palette, there's no other way to draw her. I recognized her immediately, you just have shit spatial recognition m8.
0308f1 No.15164
I main Villager because I predicted he'd get in and I enjoy his aresenal.
My secondaries are Ganoondorf, Luigi, and Wii Fit.
0308f1 No.15168
>>13269
Toon Link
Dr. Mario
Neither
Marth
Falco
Ganondorf
>>13888
I don't have Mewtwo yet so I can't test this, but can Villager pocket Disable?
6a3e4c No.15170
a47df3 No.15495
i main green villager since the demo. her moveset made me fall in love. before that i mained ice climbers.
you can reflect disable, so i guess you can also pocket it.
has anyone found a practical use for perfect pivoting besides pivot grabs?
061263 No.15624
I mostly play Link, Ike, and Robin. Link's projectiles are all really fun to mess with, and it's nice mix them up with melee attacks. I've been trying to play as him without spamming projectiles too much, though.
Ike's attacks feel so satisfyingly powerful, but I'm not that great with him. I guess I need to work on timing so I don't get punished so much.
>>13873
Is it just me, or is Mewtwo really boring to fight? Not even in a "overpowered" or "Underpowered" way, but just not fun to fight whether you win or lose. I don't know what it is about him. Maybe it's just that he doesn't really seem that cool. Characters like Sheik and Greninja are cool because they're super fast and technical. Ganondorf's cool because he's such a powerhouse, and characters like Ness or Robin have some real nice and flashy style to them, but Mewtwo just seems bland. He's not that fast and his animations don't make him look that powerful, whether or not they do that much damage. He doesn't seem like a bad character, just boring to fight.
ab0edb No.15630
>>15624
>>15624
I've never experienced boredom from fighting M2 or playing as M2, to be honest. My friend and I go M2 Ditto every once in awhile and it's incredibly fun. I love the whole Dark-Magic thing he has going on and wish more characters had a style similar to it. Maybe it's because of my fetish for necromancer and wizard archetypes; however I will say that I hate playing as or against Ganondorf. He's just feels like a slugish and unfun monster. Sorta like playing as a boss character who's actually terrible.
30c968 No.15708
>hanging out at a friend's house with his brother and a mutual friend
>he has the homebrew channel on his wii, which we use to play gamecube games and wii games
>after a little while playing Project M, we decide to play Brawl instead
>jesus I had forgotten how tiny the starting roster was
>start playing, it's okay/10
>unlock some characters
>each new unlock is met with everyone picking that character
>marth vs marth vs marth vs marth is kind of a clusterfuck
>we unlock luigi
>everyone picks luigi
>we decide to pick a random stage
>we get one of the shitty prebuilt custom stages
>it's called "bathtub" and is a large U with a hole at one end of the bottom, but otherwise no way to KO players unless you launch them up
>luigi's sweetspot for his up-B is incredibly easy to land in Brawl
>friend doesn't know about it
>"hey anon, how do you keep doing the scream thing?"
>"what"
>"that scream attack with luigi, how do you keep doing it? it doesn't do that for me"
>he's referring to the KREEEEEEENNNNG sound effect on luigi's sweetspotted up-B
>I don't want to spoonfeed him because it's super easy
>"there's a sweetspot on the move, dude. I'm just hitting that"
>he goes silent for a bit
>I return my focus back to the clusterfuck of four luigis running around in a bathtub
>I start using my up-B to attack him
>I hit the sweetspot on him
>he gets salty
>every single time
>he gets even more salty
>eventually kill him several times through stringing together sweetspots
>he's super angry
>the match ends, we go to Luigi's Mansion because where the fuck else would you go
>I keep sweetspotting him
>"GOD DAMMIT ANON HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THAT"
>"I CAN'T GET IT TO DO THAT, FUCK YOU TELL ME HOW YOU'RE DOING THAT"
>I can barely sit up because I'm laughing so hard
f69247 No.15814
>>14785
>At least it doesn't look like I would like Mewtwo. He seems terribad.
HAHA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
Fucking massive ones at that. Mewtwo is really good. I was just pissed about the code thingy(still am a bit).
He's essentially somewhat of a glass cannon.
Downtilt combos into many things.
Uptilt sourspot combos directly into upsmash when the enemy is at higher percents.
The upsmash is VERY lethal and hits from the ground up.
With fast falling nair you can string together really nasty combinations and he plays a lot faster if you use his aerial attacks for better movement.
We have a potential B or A tier!
Does S tier even exist anymore after the Diddy and Sheik nerfs?
ab0edb No.15817
>>15814
They had nerfs, but not enough nerf to make them terrible. Diddy is still A-tier thanks to his speed and Sheik is still Sheik. The only difference is that the two are slightly less devastating in terms of combos and damage. (Which is good.)
Luckily, since we have balance patches, we don't have to worry about Meta-Knight characters for too long. Diddy dominated but has seen a slight decline. He can still Hoo Hah but it's clearly not as bad.
a7a1d4 No.15968
>>15817
Yeah, it was never a real problem that Diddy can Hoo Hah in general. My main King Dedede has a downthrow to Uair aswell and so have many other characters.
Diddy was just too damn effective with his because it worked even at kill percentages and those percentages were too low to begin with.
Having messed around a bit more with Mewtwo I'd say he's safely in middle tier where most characters are.
He can juggle really well and KOs very early but the same applies in reverse.
His teleport is the worst in the game and Disable is pretty worthless because a side smash hits in every situation a smash does. Disable may allow you to charge a smash but the smash itself can be delayed so overall a smash is often more useful.
Really situational.
On the flip side he has the by far best air dodge with it lasting 30 frames and it only having 3 of them being vulnerable at the end.
You can even use it to approach if you're not too obvious about it.
All his aerials are really good so his floatyness can be put to good use.
You better use that awesome airdodge, though. Getting hit means real trouble.
I'm fine with how he turned out.
If one likes his playstyle he's viable enough for competitive matches.
If one just plays to win and wants the most abusable character Mewtwo isn't it.
Balance is really good in Smash 4 right now.
14320e No.17538
"New Content Approaching" on the 14th of June. Sakurai will be hosting a video presentation at 07:40 PT | 16:40 CEST.
https://archive.is/e7OUu
Lucas is set to be released at 8am PT on that day so I'm guessing the video will be twenty minutes long and announcing something new.
There's also a new Wii U stage that day (and some costumes for Miis iirc).
14320e No.17642
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Grain of salt and all that.
712df7 No.17646
>>17642
>>17643
There's all sorts of 'leaks' going around. I won't believe any of them until I see them in the direct on Sunday.
14320e No.17655
>>17646
Always the best option but there's more footage.
https://nichegamer.com/2015/06/new-footage-of-japanese-super-smash-bros-update-shows-off-more-ryu-roy-and-more/
I would link directly to the twitch channel but it keeps giving me an error.
Ryu starts six minutes or so in. Roy is at thirty-two and a half minutes in. There's loads of it but Lucas is in there as well.
14320e No.17660
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Totally didn't see those new characters coming.
d8815f No.17661
>>17660
Ryu actually looks pretty fun. It looked like he sort of played like a street fighter character.
14320e No.17672
>>17661
Apparently he's based of his SFII version and the button sequences are the same.
They were dedicated to getting that accurate (if that's right).
Also they're bringing back the Peach's Castle and Hyrule Castle stages.
d8815f No.17804
>>17672
Oh nice, I assume the hyrule stage will be wiiu only.
377f74 No.17805
>>17804
Apparently it's for both Wii U and 3DS.
d8815f No.17811
>>17805
Are they planning to shrink it? I thought that sakurai wanted to keep the stages on the 3ds small.
377f74 No.17815
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>>17811
They don't say. He does say they won't be adding many more after these ones.
Rewatching the announcement they don't specify what it'll be on (starts 6m40s) but I figure if it was for one they would have said.