/svidya/ - Strict /v/

>>3458
Not gonna lie, a lot of the points they touched on in the video sound intriguing as fuck. Thankfully it's already been funded – I've got bad experiences with crowdfunded/early-access games and disappointment.

Definitely something I'll keep my eye on.

>>3459
we've all been burned by the kickstarter devil, so I don't blame you. I snatched the last of the earliest bird tiers with no regrets, and I hope people will push it up the last 100k it needs to have the mounts and caravans in the game cause that sounds like it'd add some enjoyment - murdering someones hard-earned horse.

>>3466
Well right now they're just focusing on the free for all module, and I won't be surprised if that's the only one of their promised modules that'll ever see the light of day.

That's still enough to get me to fork up 34 bucks though.

>>3458
Alright, I read through some faq and I found problems I'm having. If you've taken a peek through more of the videos or something, maybe you can explain this to me before I don't throw money at an unfinished product because I stopped doing that, but I would keep an eye on it. I'm not trying to shit on this game, but there's some things that just punch me in the gut over it.

>There are two ways that a character can increase his or her skills: passive training (in a method similar to “Eve Online”) and active training (i.e. doing things in game).

Well its the reason I never got into Eve Online, explain to me how a game that plays itself or time gated skills is fun. I don't want to wait around like a facebook game to get my character boosted. When my assclown friends made me pick up WoW:WoD, the thing I hated most was "Well shit, better log in to collect my garrison stuff, tell them to get me more stuff and do nothing because I have to wait for more stuff." Oh, grinding stuff is so boring I hear. I don't want to get my face punched in by some guy who spends all his time playing the game, people say.

Motherfucker, its going to be worse if people can't grind to catch up. "Well I'd sure like to kill XSephirothxx who spent 10 years logging in once a day to continue his character advancement, but I'd have to wait 10 years to catch up and I already maxed out my active advancement for the day. Guess I'll just log off." Yes, I'm mad.

>Yes, if you have an optional VIP membership. A VIP membership allows you to train three characters in parallel. Each character will also have three passive training slots (i.e. it works the same way with ALL THREE characters, as it does with the first one.)

I don't appreciate this sort of thing. I don't make alts very often, but I sure don't like the idea of pay gating anything that gives advantages.

>The beginning of each Campaign is like the first round of "Civilization": players are dropped blind and naked into a harsh environment filled with deadly monsters, haunted ruins, abandoned quarries… and the most dangerous predator of all, other players. Craft weapons, scavenge armor, secure a stronghold, forge alliances and conquer the World.

I get the concept, make content fresh all the time, level the playing field, but I don't understand the means. They said in the faq that character customization was looks and gear. Is gear only temporary? Ehh, I dunno. I can get behind temporary gear if it's durability that smushes it. Feels like it's my fault and it served me well. Having it just taken away because the campaign is over, I don't like. Then I start thinking, "Well what's the point? We're doing fine. The campaign ends soon. I maxed the skills I use. All that's left is people meme spamming in general. My feet hurt. I'm going to go play other games until the season ends I guess."

I can see a mad rush to get gear, followed by sweeping the field of anyone who didn't, followed by maintaining dominance by whoever did. Reminds me a lot of switching maps in any online game that has a small progression aspect. I don't understand the player cities tying into this. How do you get a bustling city made when those warrior looking guys can tear walls down with their fists?
Why do you make siege weapons when they can do that? Are "cities" just forts? The doesn't seem to be a permanence to them.

I get that there's a home continent, but I dunno. What's the difference when some schmuck controls the big city that's safe from harm, vs WoW where NPCs control the big city that's safe from harm. Both cases all the threat is tucked neatly away in the fighting area and any building is just walls to break.

>>3474
>passive training
I agree, I don't like the passive training thing, I want to feel like I get rewarded with progression for actually playing the game instead of being tied down to a background timer. The idea behind it is to limit poopsocking and not put the dudes who play 63 hours a day so far ahead of the dudes who play a half hour a day. I will clarify one thing it sounds like you're missing, it's not about logging in. It runs in the background the entire time, so you can queue up 15 skills and go on a vacation without missing a beat. Another point to make is that character advancement SOUNDS like it'll be more about specializing your class and learning new skills than actually gaining stat-numbers - that's mostly the weapons and equipment you have, which is lost regularly.

>VIP membership
Yeah. I dunno, I don't really care too much about that, they're gonna have to come up with a better reason for me to get VIP membership. It sounds like they don't want having alts to be much of a point or advantage but if that's the case then why paygate it? Seems dumb.

>Campaign reset
Gear is temporary, 100%. You lose durabiltiy when you die and each time you repair an item it loses max durability. You also lose all your shit when the campaign ends.

The point about giving up near the end of a campaign is something I've thought too, I can easily lose motivation like that in a game, and I can totally see myself going away to play other games for the last month or two. Other players, however, will be in a mad rush to scrounge up the last resources in the world and transport them back to the Eternal Kingdom level where you can use it to build up your private / guild "housing world". I can see it appealing to some people, not me though.

Regarding your point about warriors tearing down walls with their fists, that DOES look like it's way too easy to break through a wall, if that's what it's gonna be like in the actual game I doubt anyone is even gonna bother walling off places. I assume these guys aren't retarded, though, and will balance it properly when testing starts. In fact, I completely suspect it was designed like that for that one little clip just to show that there IS destruction. I mean, it wouldn't be a very exciting clip if it showed siege engines pounding away at a wall for five minutes. That's speculation though.

>>3474
P.S forgot to reply to the last paragraph.

There isn't a big difference between Stormwind and one of the big guild cities in the home continent, except that all the buildings are player made and all the NPCs are players and the guy who owns the place can dole out parcels of land to players he wants to reward and that you can bring back resources from the campaign maps to further construct stuff / build items to bring with you (in limited quantity) into the next campaign.

so it's like stormwind except not a static, computer-run environment. Seems like a big improvement.

This sounds awesome and I'd like nothing more than for it to succeed beyond everyone's wildest dreams, but I feel like I can't get excited about it until I at least see some gameplay videos.

>>3482
The kickstarter video has clips of gameplay that'll show you how it plays. It's promotional, and early in development, but it's gameplay footage.

It sounds really good and its what I'd like from an MMO however it is a Kickstarter and it sounds too good to be true. I will keep an eye on how the project develops.

>>3479
Holdup

http://crowfall.com/#/archetype/assassin
>That description

>>3491
Oh Christ please let it be just a character concept and not an underlying theme

>>3499
>Kickstarter project

we’ve already raised some money and – as we said in the video – we will raise more if we need to. We would prefer to be only answerable to you, our players – but one way or the other, we’re going to get this game made.

ArtCraft took a minority investment round of $2.3 million last year. We will likely sell the rights to Crowfall in foreign territories (especially restricted markets, like China, where we can't ship the game, anyway) to add to our development budget. If that isn't enough, we can always take more minority investment if we need to.

The Kickstarter deliverable (the core module) can be accomplished with our capital and the crowdfunding money – providing we are successful in meeting our Kickstarter funding goal.
-Kickstarter FaQ

>kickstarter
No thanks

Sounds cool but I never talk to people in MMO's so it's probably not for me
Also combat seems too static but I guess they'll fix that

>>3491
I really REALLY hope they aren't gonna make gender politics a thing in this.

Please, devs, keep your fucking politics out of my vidya.

>>3526
They're planning a core module release by Q4 2016 so it's far off. First playtest should be around "late summer 2015" according to the site.

>>3534
>I don't like time gates and my character progression being stripped away
You mean the passive training or the finite campaigns? Cause your character progression doesn't get stripped away when the campaign resets.

>>3499
I am not hyped though, I like the concept but I am always and always will be cautious around anything that is from Kickstarter. Pretty sure most people here are quite cautious about it and will just wait and see what happens.

>First, we are using a “skill” based system – there are no levels. Without levels, the difference between a “maxed” character and a starting character is far less severe.
>Second, we designed the game to have a much flatter power curve. Meaning that your biggest gains for any skill (or attribute) come early, and the remaining gains are all on a steep “diminishing returns” curve.

>Our goal is to create a deep, complex simulation – filled with tactical and environmental considerations and emergent gameplay. Our design goal is that no single character is better than others in every situation.
>This approach means that mastery of the game relies on skill: knowing how to build your character in a way that suits your playstyle, and then seeking out situations in the game that will be to your advantage. It also means that adventuring parties will be less cookie cutter, as the roles are not as clearly defined.

Who the fuck is in charge of balancing this game?

>>3550
what's wrong with any of that?

>>3556
Its fine for most part, but on pratice it will end up like a nightmare unless they have VERY good playtesters and designers.

>>3557
all that reads to me is "we want to have moba-style balancing where it's more about creating opportunities for your specific skillset to succeed rather than simply winning at everything because you have bigger stat-numbers"

>>3559
I don't recall a single balanced MOBA(If partially because the playtesters/players are retarded).

>>3563
We may have different standards for how balanced it has to be to be balanced. I think most mobas are balanced well enough to be enjoyable, there aren't that many dota heroes that can't deliver some big plays if they're handled well.

>>3499
I don't think you're just shitposting outright, but could you maybe flesh out why you feel that way?

Otherwise, you decided to pop in just to call people gullible and thinking the next good MMO can't possibly be a kickstarter is unfounded.

Yeah, fair points that I'm not too impressed by Mr. J Todd "Wizard 101" Coleman being a frontman for the project, and the rest of the team is iffy. No reason to think that they might not have learned from their past experience and bring something good to the table. Especially if we recapture any of that UO magic with Gordon Walton.

OP you tried doing this on regular /v/.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to report you for shitposting.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>3527
Yeah alright then, I'll just let this continue development quietly. No need for me to get hype at all.

MMOs have a way to go but this might be a step in the right direction. Very interested to see what kind of meta pops up in the game once it gets into full steam.

>>3753
Yeah, staying cautious is the smart path but I am not a smart man, and I'm so enamored by the potential of sandbox MMOs that anything like this gets my hype-train going at a thousand miles per hours.

>>3491
On the one hand this sort of thing can sometimes work in a dystopian or Amazonian sort of setting. On the other hand I don't trust the ability of the majority of modern day writers to either go in that direction or pull it off well.

This isn't my sort of game at all anyway but still.

Not gonna fund it because been burned by both kickstarter and MMO's before but luckily it's already been funded so that doesn't matter. Seems like a fun game and will be keeping an eye on it.

>>3536
I wanted to note that your equipment does tough
http://crowfall.com/#/faq/54ca4682bffce6644cb3380a

>>3774
Unless you ship it back to your eternal kingdom though, no? Or is that just the materials for crafting, not the actual items?

>>3776
The following is basically confirmed:

>Equipment will take small amounts decay from use in combat and large amounts of decay when the player is killed in combat. Crafters will be able to repair equipment which will lower its max durability each time it is repaired.

>>3777
Yeah I know that but that wasn't what we were talking about, we were talking when the campaign ends. You're able to ship stuff out to your Eternal Kingdom and I'm not sure that doesn't involve any specific pieces of equipment you wanted to keep.

>>3778
The pic in the OP implies that you can keep at least some equipment between campaigns. You just can't take it back with you to every tier of campaigns.
>import rules
>all equipped gear can be brought in

>>3782
>There's a huge clash of non-SJW and SJWs here too.

It's important to get in on the ground floor in order to be one of the first people in. When there aren't that many people contributing it's relatively easy to become prominent, and from there gain entry to positions like >Community Moderator or whatever. Once you've got a mod in your pocket, then it's just a matter of time before you run off the people that don't think like you for one reason or another ("He said something that offended me!" "I'll complain to Jezebel about the devs' treatment of women in their community!" "I'm a bigmouth that disagrees with how you portray 'people of color' and I'll tell twitter on you!" etc). When you have a large enough ratio of SJW cultists to actual gamers, then they'll start trying to directly influence game development.

gotta get in on that ground floor

>>3785
Sigh. I guess its going to be another Mighty No.9? What a shame.

>>3792
It doesn't really seem like you guys wanna talk about the game here. Can't you talk about gamergate on your own board? I just wanted this thread to be about videogames.

>>3458
What's the combat like though? Quickbar-based? I hope not.

Valerie "Pann" Massey of CCP fame just got hired as director of community management. I didn't play Eve enough to know of her but apparently she was involved in some pretty big blunders regarding the game.

>>3807
Look, people hated SJWs long before gamergate. People will hate them long after. Don't pretend like it wasn't a red flag before the end of last year.
They don't create solid communities, which MMOs, especially sandbox ones, must have. I'm sorry, but what the community might be like is something that's part of discussing this kinda game.

And it only came up when people tried talking about the game's lore. As far as that goes, I think that the man hating turbo lesbo is a played out too much. Always the same shit, either "men bad, women good. Oh no, good man, you shaped my perspective when you kissed my ass and took every opportunity to agree with me. I guess men not so bad." or "Men bad, you bad man. Men bad.". Same shit with reversing the gender too, still boring, just "women bad". But in MMOs, you don't interact with that story. Just "Men bad, you man. Go do man thing, MAN", and you just go and do those things. More so when it's not a themepark and you're doing very little interaction with that. Worse even if it's your character and it just goes, "HA TAKE THAT, MAAAN" or whatever every time you attack shit. It's annoying.

>>3814
That's better, now we're talking about the game. I can't add anything to the conversation though, because I agree, that Assassin backstory is really fucking terrible and they need to change it to something less idiotic, unless they're actively trying to make her out as evil in which case I guess it's working.

>>3817
One is pointing out bad game design, one is a political witchhunt.

>>3817
I find that to be relevant. If the community of a game is important it's that of an MMO.

SJWs harmed our entire chan culture so much and they are so hostile towards us, that I believe they only deserve rejection by any channer.

They are shady people who love to spend money they begged for on the internet on anything but what was promised and that's why I wouldn't donate towards that game.

The characters backstories read like fanfiction and the concept sounds impossible to balance.

>>3819
Im just pointing it out for people that don't want to donate to death cults.

>>3822
have you checked out what they did to south korea?

>>3730
every kickstarter project that promised to revolutionize a genre, or bring back the feeling of "game X" fell short, kickstarter is only good for small projects, big projects always fall short.

the fact that they are using big names of old should already raise suspicion, it's like they want to sell the game on these names alone, not based on the actual game.

also, MMOs are too saturated right now, they will not be able to compete as sub-based, or b2p and f2p just means the game is dead on arrival.

this game have a absurdly slim chance of being good, not p2w and actually live enough to stay afloat in the MMO market, a very slim one.

i would love to be wrong, but as a avid mmo player, i know a blunder when i see one.

>First, we are using a “skill” based system – there are no levels. Without levels, the difference between a “maxed” character and a starting character is far less severe.

I'm sold. Character levels are lazy.

Yeah I wasn't going to fund this anyways, but this talk of SJW-ism in their company doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth.

One thing I'd like to mention is that regardless of having an ideological influence in a game, I still judge it based solely on merits of being a game and that's what I'll do when this comes out. I'm not likely to get into another MMO again, as I played myself out of those when I was a teen but I will consider it ever so slightly. I'm not one to disqualify a game for interpreted ideology, like those cultists I dislike so much. TL;DR Don't become what you hate.

http://community.crowfall.com/index.php?/topic/1787-fae-sexism-and-so-on/page-3

This thread shows that either way, it's fucked.

You've got SJWs on one hand and Nothin personnel kids on the other trying to out cool each other with how fucking secure they are in their world views.

These people are trying to gain a moral dominance straight away. I guess it's what happens with competitiveness, arrogance and socialisation to be ethical.

>>3918
This is pretty much my attitude, games are games and should be judged solely on their design. Not playing games made by SJWs is like not reading Orson Scott Card books because he's homophobic, both ridiculous.

>>3929
>an official forum for a videogame is full of retards
stop the fucking presses we got a scoop on our hands here

>>3976
Yes. People should be free to have their political opinions without being ostracized or barred from jobs, voting, or any kind of organization.

Believing anything different makes you just as bad as the worst kind of SJW

>>3992
That comparison is stupid, nobody left stickers saying they were donating to anything. My money goes directly to the development of a videogame that I think sounds fun, you have no evidence of a single cent going towards the eradication of cis white males.

And yes, I'd STILL shop there if I liked the store and they had quality products. Again, freedom of belief.

>>3994
>I'd STILL shop there if I liked the store and they had quality products
Sadly, not everyone has the same opinion as you.
If you want to buy VIP for a game because they have "freedom of belief" and since there's "no proof" they're trying to buttfuck you, you're free to do just that.

>>4001
If you read the kickstarter you'll see they already have 2½ million dollars in minority investment and have plans of doing more of those in addition to the kickstarter.

>>4003
In my two decades of playing videogames, the biggest trend I've seen is that a small team with a small budget can work literal wonders while legendary devs with a million years of experience, a team of a literal army, and a 500 million dollar budget can just as easily churn out human waste taken game form.

>>3491
i'm not as interested anymore, if you busy trying to appease people on shit thats not even actually related to the game thats effort thats being wasted on shit thats not related to the game. its like the saying about design by committee except the committee is not even related to what their designing. i'm sick of all this shit ruining my games. its like if whenever a athlete got into a scandal it literally fucked up the entire sports industry until it was over with. god can we get back to games being about fucking games already?

>>6751
samefag here, i really want to believe in this though. don't get me wrong. i love eve, i love ultima. i really had high hopes for archeage. i have higher hopes for this. i'd honestly even back it for the beta if i didnt already use the luxury part of my budget for the month.

Does anyone think this will actually be good?

>>4005
kek, why don't you show us some of those "literal wonders" then?