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Battlefield as a franchise lost me after Bad Company 2 which I sunk a lot of hours into. 3 failed to captivate me. And Hardline seems to have put salt on the wound. Makes me kind of sad what EA did to it really.

>>6047
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I feel the same way. 3 felt like an engine enhancement strictly, without any soul. I did not even play 4, but the only redeemable engine aspect I found was the destruction being the way it should have been, unlike 3 which was quite static compared to Bad Company 2. The series is a sad mockery of what it once was, and I will never be apart of that community as I was a Bad Company 2 and 1942 XBLA fag.

>>6047

If only there were another online team-based objective-oriented military shooter out right now.

Until CoD increases its scope, Battlefield has the market cornered in this regard.

The Division is set to compete with Battlefield, so we may have a second option soon.

>>6056
"We want the CoD audience." The whole fiasco with EA banning people who used a mod to take out the blue filter also made me mad. And you're right, while the userbase has expanded, the original Battlefield community has suffered under modern EA's administration.

>>6058
I don't think CoD would do anything good for anyone, including themselves if they were to expand in that way. I also have no faith in The Division which is just another Ubisoft blunder waiting to happen from what I've seen (although we're likely to see another showing of it at this E3). I think the next great online team shooter will come from a company not associated with EA, Ubisoft, or Activision.

>>6056

>I did not even play 4

The campaign was good.

Irish needs to come back.

>>6042
Battlefield newfag here.
I first played BF:3 and loved it (This was on Xbox 360) I later went on to play BF:4 on the PC and stopped immediately because I suck on PC.
I have a copy of Bad Company on PS3 right now, and I'm in the process of playing it.
I've seen the story for Hardline, and while I do think the beginning is very typical, and takes itself too seriously, the second half of the campaign gets really campy and I really enjoyed it.

As a real, genuine Battlefield fan…

Hardline is fucking shit.
Battlefield 4 is fucking shit.
Battlefield 3 is fucking shit.
Bad Company 2 is fucking shit.
Bad Company 1 is fucking shit.
DICE actually died with 2142, when everyone with talent at that company left the studio after being jerked around by EA too much during BF2's development.

That's how I feel about Battlefield. And I want people who still care about its festering corpse, who still pay EA money rape the fuck out of it to go fuck themselves. Because as bad as EA is, they're the ones who ruined something I loved. The people who didn't speak up when horrible decisions like the rank and unlock bullshit were shoved into BF2 and made even worse in 2142. The people who willingly opened their mouth for them to shit down it with dumbed-downed casualized trash like the Bad Company series. You're to blame.

Fuck you.

>>6087
Play 1942. I'm pretty sure it's free on Origin and has servers up.

If you don't want to deal with that you can get 1943 for cheap on PSN. It's a small game but it's nice if you like Bad Company. Not sure if there's still players on it though.

>>6097

Don't cut yourself on that edge, bro. :^)

>>6116
Thanks for the recommendation, mate.

I played the beta for BF3 on the 360 and had a huge amount of fun with friends, and bought it on release. I found it incredibly disappointing despite the beta and sold it a month or so later for skyrim (which I also hated, but kept around for some reason).

The game was just so boring and broken on release. Even with friends it was frustrating because the awful unlocking system gave high level enemies an advantage especially with vehicles. It was such a shame.

I later bought BF3 for PC and played it for a short while before realizing it was the same shit as the console version. I should say my only Battlefield game before then had been the two Bad Company games which I barely touched. I hear BF2 with Project Reality is a lot of fun, but I just don't want to bother with largescale/more rigidly realistic shooters anymore especially since I've been hooked on CS:GO which I absolutely adore.

>>6116
>1942, free on Origin
I just looked and saw nothing. Any other info on this? I only started playing at BF2 and never got the chance to play the 1942.

>>6047
This.

If you think otherwise you are the cancer that killed BF.

I keep buying new Battlefields hoping they will recapture the gem that was Bad Company 2. Hardline was the third strike.
I guess its foolish to hope for another good shooter on big maps with balanced classes,guns and vehicles

bc2 was supremely fun even with all the limitations,both conquest and rush was fun as fuck,even with lesser people,no jets,no prone etc i sinked alot of time in it
the only thing i hate is that the medic gets the lmg

>>6042
Seen some videos from Hardline: it seems better than 3 and 4, a bit faster too, which would be amazing.
If netcode is better too, i could bite the bullet and pick it up.

>>6299

Hardline is very quick. There are lots of tight corridors in the maps, and it takes a maximum of four bullets to put someone down. A skilled player using the right weapons can easily finish with a 4/1 kill-death ratio in team deathmatches.

What impresses me is the attention to detail. Visceral crammed the maps full of set pieces and useable objects, so there's always something happening on the map that you don't expect. One map has three legitimate skyscrapers with working elevators.

I'm a sucker for cops and robbers games. I played the hell out of Kane & Lynch multiplayer, so I'm a bit biased, but I think Hardline is fun as hell. If you enjoy the movie Heat, you'll like this.

>>6078

You are joking right? it was the most borderline retarded plot and dialog I seen in a while

>irish its literally hollywood's idea of what having a black friend might be like
>the chinese chick its incredibly un-chinese
>that female sgt was a fucking cunt
>generic russians for filler
>incredibly anti-climatic ending

BF4 its literally only good for the multiplayer

3 was meh.
4 is better. I actually just played in a 32 v 32 scrim on Sunday on Giants of Korellia, Pearl Market, and Dragon Pass.

The last batch of DLC maps for BF4 are really impressive. And all the weapon tweaking over the past year has finally gotten the game to a very healthy state. Kinda weird that it took them so long to get their shit together, however.

I am a fan of the ACW-R, Offensive/Defensive perks, and the ACE-21 CQB.

I have not been able to finish the BF4 campaign due to a bug on the last mission that as of a few months ago was still crashing the damn game. I just reformatted so we'll see if maybe I can finally finish that shit.

>>6348

You can tell that they put a lot of thought into Final Stand. I love the allusions to BF2142, and the winter environments are a nice change of pace. If only the hidden tags weren't so hard to find.

>ACE 21 CQB, ACW-R

With the exception of the ACE 52, you'll notice that the two carbines you picked have more recoil than all the others while doing the same amount of damage. If you like managing extra recoil for no added benefit, then feel free to use those carbines, but keep in mind that there are better options. Consult Symthic for details.

http://symthic.com/bf4-weapon-charts?allkcarbine=1&sort=Max+Damage&adsc=DESC

RECKER! GET IN THE CAR RECKER! RECKEEEEER! Nah, but I was playing BF4's story earlier. I quite like the campaign.
I actually don't even dabble in multi-player and I got a digital download cheap during GameStop's Christmas sale. Good times all around.

>>6042
you have no idea how heart broken i was when they shut down the servers for bf2.
my clan had a server running since its launch until august of last year. bf franchise died with 2142, i feel like with every release after 2142 the game isnt a game anymore. its just a demo of what the engine can do.
>look everybody, look how many polygons we can push on a character.
>look at all the dynamic lighting
>look at this amazing looking cached explosion with a ton of particles
>lets put so much destruction that it would kill the sever with lag

its really sad

>>6368
>You can tell that they put a lot of thought into Final Stand.
Yeah, prototypes for weapon systems that will be around in 120+ years, that's a lot of thought

>>7641
>my Pentium 4 can't run it therefore it's not even a game abloobloo
fuck off
>>6097
If that's what it took to finally get infantry gameplay that's worth shit I'm fine with that. Let's put off the nostalgia goggles and remember how it was in BF2, right?
>meet vehicle, die
>meet other infantry, shoot at each other forever hoping your bullets hit the enemy because every weapon except the L96 was entirely unreliable
>die randomly from jet bombs
>camp in main base for Helos and Jets forever
Man that sure is some fine ass gameplay m8

>>6047

are you me?
you can't be because I am me.

the only cool thing about Hardline is the secret reloads.

>>7681

>the only cool thing about Hardline is the secret reloads.

Play it, bro.

It's fun as hell.

>>6097
I wasn't going to post in this thread because it would come off as shitposting but you said what I wanted too.
BF 1942 and Vietnam were perfect and BF 2 was the beginning of the end for me.

>>7641
Man that's sad. Did your clan end up moving on?

>>7661
It's a fair assessment mr. bait.

>>7681
It seems to be a common experience. We might all be you. You might all be me.

>>7650
>>7661
>retards being retards.

I never said I can't run it. the game isn't fun anymore. they pushed so many things into the game that it was broken for the longest time. it pretty much became CoD but with more players. hell even CoD is better. the game looks nice but does it play well? no
does it handle well? no
is there team work in it? no everyone is for their own
commander support? no (maybe in bf4)



as for you. >>7650 I can tell you got banned a lot for camping in main for choppers/jets. I bet you also held the mouse button down when you saw an enemy and went full auto like a retard.

>>7729
we're still together (since 2005) we play all sorts of games now but we don't have a main game anymore. still waiting for a something that we can enjoy as a clan.

sage for not being relevant to the thread. back to the discussion

>>7736
>the game isn't fun anymore
Yes, it is. Oh, no, wait, let me guess: I've had fake fun with it, right?
>they pushed so many things into the game that it was broken for the longest time.
Yeah, destruction and making infantry gameplay actually fun and better graphics. So many things! They should have just stayed at the feature and graphic level of 2005, right? No wait, then it'd be a rehash.
Also if it was "broken for the longest time", why have I played BF3 and BF4 both since release, with only occasional bugs? Works on my machine.
>it pretty much became CoD but with more players. hell even CoD is better
Oh, it's the usual nostalgiafag bullshit. Where are the similarities to CoD again? Does CoD have vehicles, destruction, squads, classes with roles and gadgets, maps bigger than 10 square feet? Oh, right, it's an FPS, that means it's CoD!!1
>the game looks nice but does it play well? no
does it handle well? no
Yes, it does. Not that I don't recognize the intentional ambiguity of expressions like "plays/handles well" because you couldn't come up with something explicit if your life depended on it.
>is there team work in it? no everyone is for their own
Nostalgia strikes again, the teamwork in pubs is exactly as non-existent as in BF2, I could tell tales of it just from memory.
>commander support? no (maybe in bf4)
Yes, there is a commander in BF4. Way to prove how much of a dumbass you are, as the #1 sign of a dumbass is someone who doesn't know shit of what he's talking about.
>I can tell you got banned a lot for camping in main for choppers/jets.
No, you can't, that's your retarded brain making retarded assumptions in a desperate attempt to attack my person instead of my argument. There were SHITTONS of jet/chopper campers on every server, on every map with those vehicles, the forums were full of complaints about them, one of the classics was getting a jet and running over 5 campers resulting in an auto-kick from the teamkills.
That is, of course, talking about the phase before 90% of servers became Karkand 24/7.
>I bet you also held the mouse button down when you saw an enemy and went full auto like a retard.
And another wrong assumption! It's almost like you have no actual arguments! No, I didn't go full auto because I commonly used weapons that had no auto mode. Even sniper rifles were inaccurate as fuck and couldn't hit shit even over medium distances, and all other weapons were just the icing on the cake.

sage because nostalgia faggotry

>>7650
This. Its pretty much why I will never ever understand all the nostalgia fags saying Bf2 was pitch perfect while all other ones after 2142 were bad.
Chopper and jet whoring was awfull and there specific fucking classes that had to deal with specific vehicles and kids had as much cooperation then as they do now.

I never played 2142 because I was convinced it would same shit different setting.
BC2 was a breath a of fresh air. A departure from old conventions and it did well what it set out to do.

Bf4 is pretty much a HD carbon copy of bf2. Lots of shitty guns kill shit. Air superiority zero coop unless you are in a clan or with friends.

>>9214
I'm a sucker for gas masks. Chinese engineer.

>>9140

Hardline is actually enjoyable if you like the cops and robbers theme.

Nevertheless, folks who only associate BF with military themes may not like it.

As somebody who has played BFBC2, BF3, BF4, and now BFH I wish they would stop lowering the time to kill each game. Nothing is more stupid that getting killed by somebody you don't even see 75% of the time, or having to spray and pray because taking the time to ADS will get you killed. One of the many things that made BFBC2 so good was the relatively large quantity of hits it took to kill. It made it so that a full magazine was maybe enough to get 2 kills so if you didn't have time to reload because there was a third you would have to whip out your pistol. Having a higher time to kill actually increases the skill necessary because marksmanship becomes more viable than spray and pray, and medics and healing actually feel like they matter.

>>9214
Either American Engineer because big fucking american flag on the front, or RU Support for that cheeki breeki factor.

>>10706

No way, man.

TTK needs to be as low as possible.

One bullet is all it takes to incapacitate or kill.

It's stupid as hell to dump a magazine into a player and watch him dolphin dive to safety.

>>10786
Not in an arcade shooter. The movement mechanics and map design dont facilitate the low ttk. There are games take good advantage of that like insurgency and Roh. It just doesnt work for battlefield.

If you really want a lower ttk there was always hardcore, but as it stands now hardcore is made irrelevant becuase the ttk is marginally different

>>10789

>The movement mechanics and map design dont facilitate the low ttk.

Even if that were true, which it isn't, none of that has anything to do with ballistics.

One bullet kills or incapacitates.

That's a fact.

BF was never an arcade shooter, and it never will be due to its emphasis on real-world ballistics and infantry combat.

If a man can survive after getting hit with half a magazine of 7.62 rounds, then that isn't modern combat; it's pure fantasy.

>Nothing is more stupid that getting killed by somebody you don't even see

This isn't Street Fighter.

It's war.

Most firefights are won by flanking and surprise.

If you're looking for a test of reflexes, you should probably play a fighting game.

Picked up BFH: i got what i expected. A shitty game.
Who in their right mind, with that fucking horrible netcode, created the K10?Or the M16 and M416?
Where is all the advancement made in the CTE?

>>10803

>posts a claim without supporting evidence and expects a counterclaim with supporting evidence

Yeah, you're /v/-tier. If you're not going to go out of your way to convince me that your opinion is correct, then don't expect me to go out of my way to convince you that my opinion is correct. That would make you a hypocrite, and hypocrites are just plain ignorant.

>bullets don't incapacitate or kill

Are you out of your mind?

>go play ARMA

The entire Battlefield franchise was inspired by ARMA's precursor, Operation Flashpoint. The real-world ballistics and objective-oriented gameplay in Battlefield are love letters to Bohemia Interactive. You don't know much about either franchise, do you?

>you get to run around like john mclane screaming yippe kay yay mother fucker.

Battlefield was never about that. You're thinking of Call of Duty, and this type of argument is childish. Nothing you've written is particularly persuasive.

I think 2142 was my favorite but what I love about BFBC2 and BF3 are your characters feel real not some tacticool shit.

>Battlefield
>some shitty sim series
How about no.

>>7736
you know you can still connect to BF2/BF2142 games using game ranger or tunngle or something, right? or even directly if you know the IP of the dedserv host. If you still have everyone together it might behoove you to just put 16v16 maps in the circulation or something.

>>10812
You havent refuted any of my points and continue spouting baseless drivel. Since its painfully obvious I have to spell things out for I will have to becuase your reading comprehension is abysmal.


This anon >>10706 already made the argument why ttk needs to stay low. You havent refuted his argument in any way.

Saying the game is a war simulator is your own baseless opinion. It has no legs becuase you havent given it any. Back it the fuck up with a dev quote or an interview or some game mechanics. Which leads me into the next one

The argument that I made why the game is an arcade shooter.I gave you a list of mechanics None of which you refuted or addressed for that matter. Since I have to spell it out for you.
>movement
The game lets you sprint indefinitely, do parcour and have infinite parachutes. Gun handling is smooth and as unobtrusive as possible (also recoil on most guns is easy to none existent) which leads to fast action paced gameplay.
>Level design
In infantry focused maps
Oasis,Atacama, White pass, cold war in Bc2
Metro, french maps and all Cqb pack
Lockdown,metro and 1 map per map pack in bf4

Besides metro and lockdown those maps have a nice vareity of horizontal and vertical maneuverability with lots of cover and lots of vantage points. Aided by the destruction mechanics it leads to again very movement heavy combat.
A low ttk forces pple to stay put and shoot anybody trying to move. Which leads to camping, choke points and explosives spam.

In bc2 that was only a problem when your team got boxed in spawn which was pretty much an automatic loss. In later bf installments strangleholds emerged on every corner becuase it was much more advantageous to stay put rather than run out.


>Arma
Mentioning a games development history or so called 'love letter' is not argument and is no way relevant to the conversation. I said if realism matters you cant go with Arma since it painstakingly recreates every real life detail. Battlefield

>bullets don't incapacitate or kill
back to mechanics. In not bf game did ever die from a single bullet, unless it was a sniper headshot. If thats what you want Idirected you to arma becuase its a simulator which you seem to crave yet you completely missed/ignored/lacked the capacity to understand

>Battlefield was never about that.
Still personal conjecture
> You're thinking of Call of Duty.
They both the fucking same at this point. the only difference is battlefield is bigger scale while cod is exclusively TDM oriented.

>Nothing you've written is particularly persuasive.
Yet you still havent formed as single argument that can stand on its legs besides
ad hominems > You don't know much about either franchise, do you?
conjecture > BF was never an arcade shooter, and it never will be due to its emphasis on real-world ballistics and infantry combat.

and inability to argue on the most basic level
>Nothing you've written is particularly persuasive.


Now unless you say X is Y becuase of quote A or statistic B or occurrence C then please stop sharing your opinions on this board if you cant be an adult about it.

>>7650
The only valid argument I'll give you here is aircraft camping, and that was never as big of a problem as this thread makes it out to be.
>>7736
form stronger arguments.
>>7774
this is the internet, stop being mad.
>>9178
a know a lot of people that hated titan maps but I thought they were a neat gameplay addition. it was for the most part the same gameplay as 1942/BF2 though, just with railguns instead of tripod launchers or HMGs
>>10706
I honestly can't tell if they're trying to be more realistic or do the CoD thing. Considering the trends and design approaches since BC2 I'm gonna vote for the cawadoody thing. My only problem is that in either case they should really fix the recoil of weapons and change the scope of maps to match it.
>>10786
glancing/grazing hits happen in real life. plate carriers are also a thing, as are ballistic vests. here is a nice video for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g note that the only reason he couldn't reciprocate is because he threw his weapon after being stunned by the impact. he proceeded to take 3 more rounds, survive, make it to the bottom of the mountain and fight back.
>>10803
it may have changed in the newer titles since after BC2 I've only played the BF4 singleplayer, but you definitely could not sprint forever in 2 or 2142. both titles had a stamina meter, that also went down from jumping. I'll give you that 2142 is completely fictitious but 1942, 2, and Vietnam were all at least partially rooted in reality, with 1942 and Vietnam being attributed to the climate of FPSes of the period and their gameplay being a loose fusion of Flashpoint and BiA, and 2 was largely inspired by the televising of the 2001 war on terror and the war in Iraq. It was probably never meant to be a simulator, no, but given it's development history it's easy to assume that they always wanted a more believable approach than say, CoD or MoH.
>>10812
The ballistics in the entire battlefield series are shoddy at best, but I feel it's more a situation of playability than DiCE not caring. there's very few instances where you have to hold more than a single mil high, but at least it isn't hitscan.
>>10840
To be fair, your comment that OF isn't relevant to the game's design and that BF never tried to be realistic is conjecture as well. Otherwise just chill the fuck out man, it's just some faggot on the internet.

also do any of them really let you do parkour? and if so what is even the purpose?

>>10870
OF? Sorry I dont know that acronym

>Conjecture
Yeah its all conjecture when you boil it down innit? Unless you are the designer or read the design document one cant really say what the devs had in mind.

So yeah both points are moot.

>>10886
Operation Flashpoint, sorry if that wasn't clear.

Of course I enjoy battlefield anon. BF2 is still one of my most played… oh shit, you're talking about stuff after 2142. That's disgusting.

BFBC2 was definitely the best. i loved using the speed upgrade, sneaking behind enemy lines, and then knifing every motherfucker while completely abstaining from gun use. the guns were more balanced.

bf4 is a better version of bf3. there's a few decent maps in bf4 but the most popular ones are sadly the urban COD style shit. and mortars completely ruined the rush format, the best part about BFBC2

>>11240

The shitest maps you can play on BF4 is any server owned by any kind of clan fuck metro and locker

>>11303
24 or 16 player metro or lockdown is actually okay. but yeah overall they are terrible

>>11362

Not to mention the worst DLC they released has to be Second Assault Firestorm is just a shit map that snipers love I do not fucking understand why people voted for Metro and Oman starts out as a pretty fun map but when the sand storm rolls in everything is shit.

>>11397
>Karkand in 2142
Is this official? I stopped playing before Northern Strike came out, but I'd be really sad if I missed out on this…

>>11427

It was added in the last couple patches shit was so sick it was basically Karkand with snow.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ea-infects-battlefield-hardline-with-new-ghastly-drm.html

So guys, BF:H now has worse DRM than any of the previous installments. Thoughts?

>>11451

Well compared to the other maps Karkand was pretty good in my book. That and Wake Island.

>>11474
Not surprising really. EA are raging faggots after all.

>>9214

Why is the Chinese support and recon so fucking plain compared to the others the least they could do for CN support is let him wear the mask.

Man im so fucking done with this. It hurts my fanboy sensibilities but Hardline has literally got to be the nadir of battlefield.

I played it for 50 hours now and jesus I havent seen a worse launch yet.

TDM is fucked
TTK literally too fast for the engine to calculate so you trade every time
No level destruction
Worst weapon vareity and balance of all bfs

Maybe its my pc but those loading times goddamn. I literally spend 5 min in the loading screen only to play for 10 min or less.

Fuck it im done. Bf is dead to me. Gotta find a new shooter