/svidya/ - Strict /v/

The main issue with these two games is the fact that they try to make something cartoonish and cheerful into something dark, this is no easy task if you want it done right. Pokemon was (still is?) literally a game geared for children, and as you said, the edgy element was very minor. When executed on a larger scale, the writing's in need of a serious overhaul. Where? Villians' personalities is a good place to start. The opposing faction to the player character should be treating shit with a serious tone, no nonsense, no humor. Just getting to the point: being straight to the point is almost fundamental if you want a serious feel. Seriousness (basically all of the stuff mentioned beforehand) is imperative. If you manage to pull this off, you're halfway there. The other half's graphics, they can't look cartoony, the art style needs to be gritty and dark. Having edgy writing with Sonic-tier visuals won't work for shit. If you have these two, there's a good chance you've got a decent edgy game in your posession.

>>8973
You couldn't be more wrong, especially with the visuals.

Earthbound was dark as shit and still had cartoony graphics. You don't need fucking brown and bloom and gritty graphics to have a sense of dark themes.

>>8981
This.

>>8981
Oh wow, literally one exception. That's enough to discard any argument ever, no?

>>8981
>>9065
>>9245
Earthbound wasn't "blood and gore" dark. But yes it has dark themes, just handled alot better.

>>8966
You can't make "edgy" games good by default.

Edgy is when the game feels the need to remind one how dark the story is. It's when it doesn't feel natural to the story or game world in the first place and tacked on.

Shadow the Hedgehog is an artificially made "hedgehog" and the most powerful being in the universe.
He's a CIA special agent on a mission for the president, who has a picture of Shadow the Hedgehog on his table in the oval office.

It doesn't matter what you do with that, it's ridiculous!
SEGA is still using 90s totally radical style without any of the cornyness that made things like TMNT so beloved.
Team Sonic hasn't been self aware for decades.

Here's the problem with "edgy" shit nowadays: it's a word that's ALWAYS used sarcastically. Because things like blood and gore, red and black color schemes, "realistic" character appearances, and swearing aren't really edgy anymore, we've gotten used to them as a society. Only 12 year olds think that sort of shit is "edgy", and that's probably who most of that type of game is marketed to.

In order for a work to REALLY be edgy, it has to be doing something new or at least uncommon. Perhaps something unfamiliar, uncomfortable, maybe even disturbing.

Hatred, for example, is both sarcastic edgy and genuine edgy, if that makes any sense. Its sarcastic edgy because it lets you kill innocent civilians by the truckload for no good reason. Not anything new there, mainstream games have been doing that for years. But Hatred is (reportedly) going to get more cerebral and personal about it, which might make some people unwilling or unable to play the game for long periods of time, if at all. Plus it puts the civilian killing in the spotlight. In most games it's an aside, a quick acknowledgement that the player is free to do as they please but not really dwelled upon. In Hatred, civilian killing is the main draw, and is probably going to be a lot more realistically handled than in most games. Which begs questions like "who is this game's target audience?" and "why do I find this game compelling?" and "can I imagine myself or anyone I know actually doing this in real life?". Those kinds of questions don't come up in most games because any questions those games raise have been answered long ago.

People may not like it, but edgyness is part of what artistic expression is all about. If some works of media doesn't disturb or offend some people, then boundaries will never be pushed and stagnation reigns. Sometimes you have to leave your comfort zone if you want to improve yourself, learn something new, or at the very least, have a new and interesting experience. And games can do that incredibly well; their interactive element increases their depth and involvement exponentially.

>>8966
>childlish
>tasteless
>poorly written
>overdone
>subtle
>trying too hard
To be honest, all of these are very subjective. You can't objectively measure whether something is subtle or overdone. Have you considered that you're simply not the target audience of this edgy Pokemon game? What you consider stupid and forced will probably seem dark and cool for a 12 years old kid.

>>9367
>Can't enjoy things with satanic vibes without being called an edgelord
What's the entry level media for this whole THING? Movies, music, books, the whole lot. I want to soak it all up.

The problem with edginess in vidya is that most games are murrican or made for murricans and like comics they fail at being serious and pushing boundaries. Instead they end up looking stupid and tryhard when they deal with more "adult" themes.

Compare the early 90s edgyness of marvel with characters like cable and what the Europeans were doing with 80s comics. DC killing superman was edgy tryhard and the first of many sales gimmicks. Watchmen on the other hand was a before and after for the entire genre.

Its funny for me that people call hatred edgy, you know what is edgy? Gone homo is edgy, borderlines is edgy, practically all these gimmicky ass games with shit quality and banking on controversy alone to score a sale are the very definition of edgyness.

>>10078
hatred is pretty much banking on the controversy along to score a sale though
Just look at the number of posters on /v/ who don't even care about the game and are going to buy it to "stick it to x group I dislike" instead of "it looks like a well made video game"

>>10080
>>10080

They are banking now, but then again the game was drawn into a shitstorm by sjws from the very start.

It used to be shtf happened after release but now its enough with a teaser to get all the idiots running around.

Consider how the game was almost blacklisted, and compare that with games like fez that had to be propped by shills or else nobody would've cared about it.

>>10112
>It used to be shtf happened after release but now its enough with a teaser to get all the idiots running around.

That was never any different. Remember Manhunt. All the controversy happened before the game came out. Same with Manhunt 2.

Hatred looks like a better game, though.

>>10115
Hatred don't bring nothing new to the genre.
Just look the first Postal

>>10117
Technically not the same genre, isn't Hatred a twin stick shooter while Postal is an FPS?

>>10122
The first postal is a isometric third-person shooter just like Hatred.
Hatred is the try-hard edgy where a deranged ex-militar go "postal"
There is nothing new in the mix.
It could be new if you could kill kids but the developers are afraid of crossing that line.

'Edginess' as /v/ uses it usually means that a game is dark and pretentious about it.

You can make a dark game without it being pretentious, but if you only use dark aesthetics without the conceptual development to back it up, you end up with something like Manhunt or the Saw film series, rather than a more complete and cerebral kind of tragedy or horror.

Am I the only one who thinks "edgy" can be fun?

Sometimes darkness and violence is enjoyable, ironically or genuinely. When done poorly you end up with DmC and Shadow the Edgehog. But when done right, you get Metal Gear Rising. Is it ironic or genuine? Or genuine but with a hint of self-awareness? It's hard for me to tell what they did that made it fun to go through a story about PTSD, super violence, a lightning ninja with a katana, and stealing bits of kids' brains while Quinton Flynn does a shitty Batman voice.

Maybe I'm talking about dark humor and misusing "edgy." People seem to use that word in regards to mature subjects handled immaturely, but what about mature subjects handled lackadaisically, like Grand Theft Auto and regular DMC? Is it "edgy" when it pretends to be deep and compelling with dark themes but fails to do anything serious with them, or is it edgy to just admit that it enjoys darkness and death?

When people started calling Kill La Kill "edgy" I started to think that the word didn't mean anything anymore.

>>10329
In my opinion, GTA isn't edgy since it's satire; but its marketing was. When GTA3 came out everyone hyped the whores and murdering and stuff.

DMC is rule of cool badassery. Maybe not DmC.

>>8981
In fact, you almost get better results with cartoony graphics.

>>10329
KLK being edgy was just a running gag referring to the black+red color scheme. Anyone who watched 5 minutes of the actual show would know there's nothing edgy about it.

>>10007
>those images

damn the autism is overwhelming

>>11055
It's not edgy at all, just shit.

>>10007
nothing edgy about that

animu girls and all of the faggots who adore them deserve to die.

"edgy" has no meaning.
"edgy" is completely meaningless.
People will call anything that is dark or has violence edgy.
People will call MK edgy, missing the point that MK is about being stupid as shit and goofy, and the violence in it is a staple, a trademark, something that has "to be there", it's part of the product, but isn't what attract MK fans to MK, it's just a single aspect of a much bigger picture, and that picture is actually goofy and silly as fuck, MK is silly by nature, so is Boon, MK is about celebrating light hearted humor in video games.

People will call the souls games "edgy" or "sickdark" because they have grotesque designs and a dark atmosphere, when it's a series that uses it's designs in everything, from monster to the envroinments themselves, in the right context, with the proper pacing, to build up a certain kind of world you can explore, it presents threatening designs to you so that they can be imposing or disturbing to the player, and once you conquer them, give him a great sense of satisfaction, because they've bested what seemed to be an eldrich abomination, thus empowering the player.

Basically "edgy" is "i don't like it and it has violence/a darkish aestetic"

>>11305
>I've been browsing /v/ and /v/ only
>Fedora is a meme about things you don't like by the way i use it on everyone
This post summed up.

Carry on gentlemen, Edgy still means what it has always meant.

>>10007
None of this is actually shown in the games though.
The anime IS stepping up in violence, but i doubt any of what you've just said is going to show up.

>>11368
Mewtwo blowing up the scientists was pretty violent.

>>11369
Yeah, Mewtwo killing all those scientists and blowing up that facility was the equivalent of making a black and red Hedgehog and giving him guns and shit

>>11070
>>11157
>No arguments
Well, it looks like users of /v
>>11368
If I want to make a serious pokemon game I can use this elements and I will not be out of the reality of the anime/game franchise.
>>11369
>>11372
My points are confirmed.

>>11305
Afraid I have to second this. Pretty much everything that's even remotely dark gets dismissed as "2edgy4me" these days.

Having dim lighting is enough to get /v/ whining about "edginess."

>>11475
>Having dim lighting is enough to get /v/ whining about "edginess."
Anything non-nintendo on /v/ is considered edgy, period.
And that frankly hurts nintendo because many people outside of /v/ that are nintendo fans share that mindset too.
Like, take fatal frame threads.
Have you ever seen anyone talk about the ghosts in that game?
The setting?
Anything but the fucking tits and asses?
Why is that?
Because they're only in it for the fanservice, their brain just can't process anything else about it because they're diseased and immediately call it edgy because it's not bright as fuck mario stomping on goombas.
This shitty mindset is killing sakes of third party games on nintendo hardware, goddamn, i wish it would stop, i need more variety on my WiiU.

>>11481
Remember when CoD:BO released for the WiiU and it got shitted on hard by everyone, including /v/?

Yeah, it's a CoD game, but it was something different on a Nintendo product, something that could open doors for other games, and instead that door got slammed on the fingers of trearch.
I was happy to see something that broke the mold at the time, even with a CoD game, but seeing what happened turned me away from the WiiU.