Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 09:39:15 dfa199 No. 9185
So let's discuss this controller. Do you like the design? Has anyone used it yet?
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 12:23:49 5d728f No. 9207
It really depends on how well the trackpad works, if it's really responsive and accurate like a mouse it could be a pretty good controller for both console ports and PC games. That d-pad looks like shit though, like sub 360 controller d-pad. I hope I'm wrong about the d-pad but look at that thing.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 17:37:19 781e58 No. 9273
It looks like absolute shit and I hope it fails. It's the kind of hideous controller you would give to the third wheel when they came over.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 17:45:24 9038e6 No. 9276
>>9273 I agree.
However, we've already got a de-facto standardized controller. The 360 controller is the assumed controller for all newer games.
Those trackpads look stupid. Stick tension is an important factor to how the controls feel. I've used trackpads on laptops and absolutely hate them.
The moment you go from physicly manipulating something to digital stuff like trackpads and touchscreens you messed up.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 18:13:17 31ca9c No. 9283
>>9273 It's a controller for PC and whatever else wants to support it, not for steam.
Not having proper controllers for your friends is a sin, anon.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 22:09:35 d8b9c2 No. 9370
>>9273 I agree. It's sad seeing a single company do so much to try to make PC's become like consoles.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 23:16:41 491aaf No. 9397
>>9370 Mate, mouse and keyboard is not the most optimal way to play certain games, and controllers are not the most optimal way to play certain others. There is also the issue of controllers being shit and often lacking in flexibility and compatibility.
It's a part of the industry that needs improvement.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 23:18:18 d8b9c2 No. 9398
>>9397 It's valve yet again trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Controllers are already plentiful for PC.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 23:39:11 491aaf No. 9405
>>9398 And a fuckton of them are absolute shit and several games have only the most basic of compatibility with them.
Anonymous 03/30/15 (Mon) 23:44:12 781e58 No. 9407
>>9405 And now we have another one that's absolute shit.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:07:20 d8b9c2 No. 9414
>>9405 And good ones that already exist.
And controllers don't decide if games work with controllers as much as the person making the game decides if they work with controllers.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:08:08 dfa199 No. 9415
>>9398 Or maybe providing an alternative to an existing market. I don't see why that's getting your panties in a bunch.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:10:05 d8b9c2 No. 9416
>>9415 >alternative So already established working controllers or…
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:19:29 5d728f No. 9422
>>9370 steam machines and the steam controller are supposed to be like a console PC, which will ween console peasants into having a PC. Anyone who already has a gaming PC and builds their own PCs have zero reason to get a steam machine so they're not the market, console players are. Valve is trying to kill consoles.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:38:49 31ca9c No. 9426
>>9416 The steam controller should work better for games like Civ 5 than what we have now for people who want to play on their room on the screen with the low pixel density.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:41:28 d8b9c2 No. 9430
>>9426 >civ 5 Strategy games were meant to be played with m+kb…
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:44:46 31ca9c No. 9433
>>9430 Yeah, and if you keep adding another round of ellipsis you might have an argument, but right now you don't.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 00:56:33 d8b9c2 No. 9434
>>9433 >citing exclusively m+kb games as a candidate for a controller If that's the best you have, the steam controller already sounds dead on arrival.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:03:35 31ca9c No. 9435
>>9434 People play FPS games with controllers all the time and I would say you have a bigger disadvantage in FPS then they would have in a turn based strategy game where you have no time constraints whatsoever in single player.
There are also people who want to play games like that on their shitty TVs, so you really need to get those ellipsis going.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:10:25 d8b9c2 No. 9437
>>9435 People play fps games with controllers because console fps do not have an objectively superior option as a default for the system itself. You have to go out of your way to get this piece of shit if you want to use it for something it shouldn't be used for.
And using a tv screen doesn't disable the connection for m+kb all of a sudden.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:14:16 dfa199 No. 9440
>>9437 Have you tried laying back with a mouse + keyboard, or constantly shifting on the couch? It's not comfy.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:15:39 31ca9c No. 9444
>>9437 So what you are saying is that you are just trying to be a contrarian and that casuals don't exist?
And the whole part about not having a disadvantage in Civ - which is hiding somewhere under your desk.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:18:13 d8b9c2 No. 9445
>>9440 You don't have a recliner?
>>9444 People already have a console when they want to exclusively play games in the living room. How is this appealing to them when there is no need for them to switch to PC?
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:22:20 dfa199 No. 9448
>>9445 I can't cuddle my girlfriend in a recliner with a keyboard and mouse on my lap.
I can't have my pup jump in my lap.
I can't lay longways.
I can't crash on the floor
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 01:23:24 31ca9c No. 9449
>>9445 A $ 50 box to stream games From your PC to your TV and whatever controller you want to use is cheaper than a console + a new chair.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 02:41:20 d8b9c2 No. 9470
>>9449 >>9448 And what's stopping you from buying a controller for pc that has been guaranteed to work on PC for years already?
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 02:59:42 31ca9c No. 9475
>>9470 It's not about me, anon. And there is the thing called the future where stuff might become relevant, even though it doesn't exist today.
Also the whole TV thing, but I would repeat myself.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 02:59:49 dfa199 No. 9476
>>9470 Nothing, that doesn't make this one automatically bad.
In your ideal world I imagine every market is a monopoly and no one would try and innovate?
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 03:02:07 d8b9c2 No. 9479
>>9476 I fail to see how this controller innovates and makes itself a better controller than what already just werks.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 03:25:39 66148a No. 9484
>>9479 At this point you are just being real fucking dense
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 03:26:54 dfa199 No. 9485
>>9479 It's trying something new with trackpads. It may fail, it may be great, it may just break even. Whatever happens, it may lead to better tech down the road. It may serve as a base model for future controllers that feature additional functions (perhaps the return of the touchscreen?). It's experimenting with gamepad gaming for games that traditionally are M+KB only (Civ V for example). It's more customisable than the XBox 360 controller.
It also adds more competition to the market. If people start seeing the Steam Controller as the default PC gaming controller, it may force current control manufacturers to further push down their prices to compete. If it flops or has no major impact on the market, no harm done, it was an interesting venture.
Historically, plenty of companies have entered markets with mere substitute products or only minor innovations only to go on to become powerhouses of innovation in those markets. Give the controller a chance dude.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 03:29:51 13f62b No. 9487
>>9422 Kill consoles, or turn PC into consoles?
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 09:17:44 dfa199 No. 9574
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 09:35:53 4e5cae No. 9576
If anything, I hope those grip buttons become standard on gamepads.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 09:57:25 b626af No. 9579
>>9422 I think the reason some play consoles is because their favorite titles are on console only. At least that's partly the reason I keep doing so. Emulation doesn't work well for more recent titles either.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 11:38:49 5d728f No. 9588
>>9487 Kill consoles, people who are already PC gamers have no reason to try a steam machine since they already have a gaming PC and if they really wanted a living room box they could just make a mini-atx or something. It's for console players who are afraid of PCs because they're "too complicated". They are able to try PC gaming while still retaining the familiar look and setup of a console.
>>9579 I'm sure this is true for a lot of people, I've known plenty of people who played on consoles because PC was "too expensive" or "complicated" or "you have to upgrade it every year" or w/e. These are the same people who think you have to buy an alienware in order to play PC games
and there is an alienware steam machine but as a PC gamer myself, the only reason I would ever get a console is for exclusives. I feel there needs to be at least 6 or 7 console exclusive titles I want to justify my purchase, which is why I probably won't get a PS4 for like 6 years.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 15:02:36 2ffc9f No. 9616
I'd love to actually utilize the SteamOS in a build without requiring a 1tb HDD for install. Not sure if that changed yet. I think out of all of this, the OS and controller are the only things I'm really excited to see. One of my professors a few years ago back in CC talked about the next step for input devices, and he said that something touch-based is going to be the next step. Most of us brought up the failure of the mobile touch-screen to produce anything fun, but he had a counterpoint that the early iterations of the mouse were absolute trash.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 16:34:12 1dbd4f No. 9651
>trackpads
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 22:19:32 836556 No. 9721
>>9397 We already have the DS4 which not only works fine with every PC game in existence that you'd want to use a gamepad on and has outstanding macro support, but is by far the most ergonomic gamepad for PC games you'd be using a controller with.
After the initial rush on them caused by paid "reviews" from gaymes journalists, they're going to flop hard just like the Steam Box.
I wish valve would fuck back off to making games.
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 22:42:08 dfa199 No. 9729
>>9721 How can I get my DS4 to make a decent bluetooth connection to my PC? I've tried the Bluetooth receivers I currently have and it's really unresponsive.
Is it just the controller or is it my receiver? How much should I spend on a receiver to get a good connection?
Anonymous 03/31/15 (Tue) 23:33:12 836556 No. 9748
>>9729 Where is your PC sitting in relation to you (i.e. on your floor, on your desk, etc)
If it's on the floor, what material is your desk made out of?
Are you plugging your bluetooth dongle in to the closest USB port to you, i.e. front USB port?
Which model dongle are you using?
Are you using the third-party dongle drivers, or the official microsoft/broadcom bluetooth drivers?
Anonymous 04/01/15 (Wed) 01:29:07 7410eb No. 9779
>>9185 The dpad sucks and they should've gone for either an optical tracker or a glass trackpad
Those shitty plastic ones they used arent going to last
Also what happened to all that biometric stuff gaben was talking about? and the ability to change temperature?
Anonymous 04/01/15 (Wed) 01:51:43 836556 No. 9785
>>9779 >The dpad sucks and they should've gone for either an optical tracker or a glass trackpad Imagine fat, sweaty, greasy fingers smearing all over a glass trackpad. Disgusting. There's also unit cost to consider, since I'm sure this will be placed in the $50-60 range to be competitive with the DS4 and XBone pads; and the haptic feedback they've been hyping so hard probably wouldn't translate as well through glass pads.
I don't have any durability concerns with the trackpads in particular. They appear to be identical in function to 5th gen Ipods, minus the central button; i.e. the trackpad having directional clicky buttons under it. I'm sure clicking the pad is going to be fatiguing as fuck though, and only suitable for rarely used macros; lest they make the switches light enough that you're accidentally triggering them constantly.
Marketing bullshit, I'm sure we'll see a Steampad v2 within 6 months of the first being released, so they could still implement that shit at some point.
Anonymous 04/01/15 (Wed) 02:47:32 4dfb54 No. 9802
>tfw you just want the ergonomics of an xbox 360 controller, the dpad+buttons of a sega saturn pad and joysticks placed like the dualshock controllers
Anonymous 04/01/15 (Wed) 02:52:35 836556 No. 9805
>>9802 Get a DS4, a saturn pad, and a saturn to usb adapter.
Pair the DS4 by bluetooth so you're only dealing with one cord, and you've got the best of both worlds.
Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 12:10:36 83768f No. 16765
>>9588
once consoles are killed, there won't be any exclusives
Anonymous 05/14/15 (Thu) 12:34:42 e9a94d No. 16767
>>9185
When I was first seeing the pics of it I kept thinking it was like the Vita with touchpads on the back, this was when the concept pics were really simple without any real buttons and whatnot.
As for it now: it looks alright. I can imagine using your thumbs to aim is easier with this than the normal analog controller button. It's basically a laptop touchpad, and that in itself is more precise than an analog button, but I can definitely imagine it being difficult getting used to or hell, maybe even tiring compared to the classical controller setup. But ultimately though, do I care about the controller and the Steam 'console'? Not at all.
Anonymous 05/15/15 (Fri) 23:03:29 75d0d5 No. 16820
>>9721
How well does DS4 work with Civ?
Could you browse the web with a DS4?
That's what the Steam controller can do.