No.451534
RaspberryPi Zero Super Thread
Sauce: https://archive.is/XxJCZ
> The latest edition is the Raspberry Pi Zero. It is slower than the full-size version (though faster than the original Raspberry Pi) and has fewer ports, but its main selling point is that it is so cheap.
> The Zero, which like its predecessors is being manufactured in Wales, will sell for £4 or $5. And subscribers of the Magpi, a Raspberry Pi magazine, will find a Zero attached to the cover of the magazine - possibly the first time that a computer has been a free giveaway.
> "We still meet people for whom cost remains a barrier to entry," says Eben Upton, the man behind the whole project. He says driving down the cost of hardware has always been a key aim of the project, and he now expects more people to be able to get involved in computing
> But it looks more likely that existing users will snap them up as extra components in computing projects. Upton sees it being used in "internet of things" or robotics projects, where a smaller device may be needed, or as a media player.
> Throughout its history, Raspberry Pi has found a bigger audience amongst middle-aged hobbyists rather than the school children who were its original target. That is likely to be the case at first with the Zero, though school computing clubs may may find it a useful addition to their projects.
> With more than seven million Raspberry Pis sold so far, and 270,000 in October alone, there is no doubt that it has been a commercial success. The challenge for those behind the project is to keep on remembering that the aim is to enthuse and inspire young people about computing, not to maximise profit.
Question /tech/, are you goyem going to buy this?
No.451545
nonfree bootloader <=> into the trash
No.451585
I've been thinking about getting an FPGA, but if this can do a similar job of interfacing with the device I'm thinking of, then I may save the money. Is there anything similarly priced that's more libre or less SJW?
No.451588
>>451585
stm32-based would be my go-for.
Those Zeros will be an absolute fucking pain to network.
No.451604
>>451545
recommend something which has a free bootloader
No.451608
>>451534
"This is a computer for the really impoverished and disadvantaged Nerds out there!"
No, that's going to be a fucking pain for a poor teenager to do anything with. It'll at least need a loaded-up microsd card-- and currently NOOBS required a decent internet connection. Poorfag TVs don't have HDMI inputs. USB keyboards don't have microusb connectors!
No.451614
>>451604
DNE
Only things that exist are on http://www.libreboot.org/docs/hcl/
>>451534
Looks cool for a diy phone.
No.451624
No.451634
I literally can not wait to buy one of these and use it as a computer that I can use on the bus/at school/other places where I might get robbed
I live in London, if I took my laptop with me I'd be robbed by some chav for sure
No.451637
>>451608
Looking at it, my first thought is to use one to replace the Model-A I current have as a Commodore IEC drive emulator..
No.451641
>>451545
jesus fuck, when will this shit end, I can't enjoy any of my fucking hobbies anymore without looking up and seeing more of these fucksticks ruining one aspect of them or another. I feel like I'm in the fucking They Live movie.
No.451650
i feel that i'm zero convinced
No.451656
>>451534
Looks incredibly cool, but I'd rather wait for a more free and less SJW alternative.
honestly though, if it had a full-size HDMI port and could connect to wifi out of the box without needing a dongle then I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I know it's not /tech/ approved but for £4 I can't think of a good reason not to
No.451659
thx for rping me on sjw-pi
No.451661
>>451641
You are. Proprietary Software is the aliens.
No.451674
>>451545
Does a libre SBC even exist?
No.451682
>>451641
haha that first webm is so good
No.451691
This thing will have a 1 GHz processor and 512 MB of RAM. That's amazing, for this price.
No.451695
This thread gives me an opportunity to post some of the digging I originally did to see if the SJW infection was genuine or not it was
>>451624
Makezine is corrupt SJW territory. Use Adblock or preferably don't go there.
archive.is isn't working for me so have this hackaday article instead: http://hackaday.com/2015/11/25/the-5-raspberry-pi-zero/
>>451674
Beaglebone Black is certainly if you flash it yourself, but it's expensive. I have an Odroid C1+ where I've never checked whether it can be completely libre or not. I'm also going to look into the Orange Pi (eventually)... If anons could tell me so I don't have to do the work then that'd be good.
>>451588
>>451691
I'm looking for something to control a 3D printer with lots of stepper motors and real-time shit to process. Are these cheap ARM boards bad for this, for the simple reason of not being designed for that purpose, or would they be good for that?
No.451696
Where the fuck can I buy this from?
No.451698
No.451702
>>451695
There is a 3D printer with a Raspberry Pi as part of its design, so it's definitely possible. I don't know if this particular stripped down model would be suitable.
No.451705
>>451695
>I'm looking for something to control a 3D printer with lots of stepper motors and real-time shit to process. Are these cheap ARM boards bad for this, for the simple reason of not being designed for that purpose, or would they be good for that?
I'd go with an STM32F4 Discovery board: 168 Mhz, 1MB Flash, 192kB RAM, real GPIO controllers w/ DMA et.al. I've got mates who create octocopter controllers with them, that're more 'hard' real-time than 3D printers. You're not wanting anything Linux for real-time control; however that also means banging on something like Chibios and writing a lot of code yourself.
No.451707
>>451705
>You're not wanting anything Linux for real-time control
Does a 3d printer require real-time? They have a real-time linux kernel anyway iirc.
Surely a beaglebbone or raspi could do the job?
No.451714
>>451707
In theory anything is possible, but for the sake of practicality, I do not wish to deviate too much from the standards already given by people with greater experience in the field of 3D printing: http://reprap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Electronics
No.451716
>>451534
>supporting woman in X
yeah I hope it burns at sales
No.451721
>>451534
do they still have unfree gpu blobs?
And if yes, how come a "basically homemade "open source ready"" product has that shit?
I am starting to be really curious about what can be done with GPU access, since it is so fucking hard to find any free GPU drivers for everythin except for intel gpu, but they are intergrated on full-botnet cpus anyway
No.451729
>>451721
What can be done is buying up RISC-V chips as soon as they're out so they can finish their vector extension spec and produce basic GPUs
No.451730
Wouldn't mind using it for a portable console only running something with minimal Debian/Arch.
But whatever, you don't particularity need it or the hassle if you have a regular pc. Besides that, it sucks that they're 10 or so models in and they don't even have a built in wifi module.
No.451732
What are some good alternatives to this SJW infested POS?
No.451749
No.451754
>>451732
In this price point?
Nothing really. Black Swift and Project CHIP are both kickstarted promises that haven't been delivered yet. I've found the STM32F103C8T6 is pretty cheap, but it's 72Mhz and not really built for heavy computing.
Above that price point you'd probably be looking at the Odroid C1+, Olimex LIME, Orange Pi and the Raspberry Pi Model B. I remember the Beaglebone Black being something like twice the price which is why I haven't bought one.
No.451763
>>451534
>stopgaymergate
Frankly, I'm glad I didn't bother getting one of these yet.
No.451780
I won't have anything to do with these pedo-enablers killing free software. Glad I never bought anything from them.
No.451791
>>451641
sauce on the first one
No.451799
>>451791
It's from the movie 'They Live'.
No.451814
What ever happened to the Black Swift? Took the kikestarter money and ran?
No.451862
Yep.
It's been rebranded as the Unwired-One.
http://www.unwireddevices.com/en/
No.451899
>>451656
Also can someone explain why in 'trying to make it cheaper' they used a flipping HDMI port? Like, why not something analogue which in theory would be cheaper to produce like VGA?
No.451900
>>451754
Actually the CHIP has already released the model to the highest tier backers.
No.451903
>>451899
I think VGA to HDMI converters are expensive or don't work as good?
>>451900
Can you go out and buy one?
No.451907
>>451716
>Supporting X
X needs to die already and be replaced with something that doesn't have to be shoe horned into the 21st century.
Yes, I'm talking about that X not X as in anything, yes this is really off topic and pointless but why not?
No.451908
>>451903
Well VGA to HDMI is turning analogue into digital so I'd assume it'd be a relatively large converter.
No.451909
>>451903
No you can't buy one yet
No.451910
>>451814
But there are tons of ar9331 boards and hacking-friendly routers out there.
Bootloader for ar9331 is free, source is available, in fact it's some old modded Uboot.
ar9331 power consumption is 120mA @400Mhz with working wifi, significantly less than any single board linux computer. Probably the most power efficient wireless embedded chip to date, however it has been on the market for like 5 years and past its heyday now.
No.451919
>>451910
For playing with software I imagine that would be interesting. For playing with hardware... I mean it's not got any pinouts or anything. Plus I think some of them are hard to find and cost a fair amount of money. I remember paying 20 euro for one that would fit the old PCI standard that my netgear router board needs in order to not be proprietary.
No.451932
>>451919
what pinouts? the chip has a handful of GPIO pins, hardware spi (usually taken by nor memory chip) and hardware uart. i2c is available through bitbanging, linux has an appropriate driver. Datasheet (leaked?) is also available. Is there datasheet for any RasPi SoC in public? Haven't found yet, Broadcom is very strict when it comes to that.
also, USB 2.0 bus is there too
Most ar9331 routers and boards like Carambola2 run Openwrt as default, no fancy libs for gpio as in raspi though.
It has very specific uses, remember that it's a network chip, with built in 1T1R 802.11n-draft radio + PA and 5-port 10/100 switch, and with a measly MIPS core, you are not going to make efficient dlna or other media bullshit server, but for home automation hub for instance, it would be well suited.
No.451939
No.451946
>>451932
I'm interested from the perspective of hardware and 3d printing. I'm looking at small ARM/MIPS chips because 8-bit ATmega shit is a potential bottleneck.
No.451947
>>451939
this, into the cuckbin it goes
No.451953
>>451946
Then you just need a powerful microcontroller with some rtos, and not a linux network board, or lame, overrated, crippled shit with a media chip like every raspi.
No.451962
>>451721
>do they still have unfree gpu blobs?
broadcom released free drivers and docs for a very similar GPU, and some Intel ex-employee started porting it for the Raspberry Pi so we might have a very decent free MESA driver for this Videocore IV embedded GPU.
On the other hand the bootloader part still is a blob.
>how come a "basically homemade "open source ready"" product has that shit?
because open source doesn't care about your freedom. "open source" is about marketing and propaganda, whereas free software is where the real shit is at
>>451721
>except for intel gpu
starting from Skylake Intel iGPUs also require nonfree blobs
No.451979
Do people actually use these things? What for?
I always see nerds talking about them, but never about actual projects using them.
No.451983
>>451979
first raspi was used by me to watch anime on it
rpi2 was bought for emulation
both are now lying in some drawer
i guess i could any time turn rpi2 into makeshift emergency pc
No.451984
>>451695
They are bad because a lot have horrible IO and because rtlinux is a fucking mess.
The Beaglebone Black and Freescale boards will have decent IO. The Beaglebone black has a lot more community and source code available though.
No.451985
>>451979
>>451979
>Do people actually use these things? What for?
Disbelief at something you have zero experience on. ok?
>I always see nerds talking about them
ok?
>but never about actual projects using them.
Have you ever searched 'raspberry pi projects' on Google?
Your post is completely worthless
No.451990
>>451985
>raspberry pi projects
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>picture frame
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY gameboy
>DIY mame arcade
>something useful for electricians or something
>DIY mame arcade
>buttcoin miner
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
No.452001
>>451990
If you have a bad attitude + lack of imagination + pre judgement + zero knowledge or willingness to learn about something you have literally never used, you are fucked anyways and I really don't know what you are doing here. You have the possibility to own a $5 linux computer that you can interface with anything, yet you complain and 'can't think of anything to do with it'.
This is why you have depression and anxiety at the same time btw, your life is full of possibilities yet you lack internal structure and the ability to structure your environment. You need to be more sober and own way less things.
No.452005
>>451990
XD
raspi and its clones are a marketing gimmick, just as arduino and its hype was
"yo can be an haxx-engineer too, bruh, make yo own smartphun"
Most users gain little experience, as they repeat ready-made projects or use it straight for multimedia, just as any other consumer device (that at least is somewhat justifiable)
Professionals and hardcore enthusiast use different platforms and solutions anyway. Can't imagine anybody sane using raspi in a production environment.
>>452001
>You have the possibility to own a $5 linux computer that you can interface with anything
And when everybody is super*, then nobody really is. Also, $5 is a lie, you need almost twice as much to get it running, and at least another $5 to get any real bandwidth connectivity (eth dongle or those cheap, shitty Realtek usb nano wifi cards)
No.452036
>>451979
It's a three watt computer. I have one running as a tor relay + ssh gateway into my home network. I wish I bought a different SoC, but I'm not gonna throw it away just because the manufacturer is a cunt.
No.452041
>>451985
>Your post is completely worthless
Yeah. Not as worthless as 99.9% of rpi projects though.
No.452045
>>451534
the jetson tx1 looks pretty neat
No.452046
>>452005
Absolutely. SBC are a nice toy - hey look I made a cat feeder or this coffee maker controller. The novelty wears off fast. It is not even that good for emulation - I would rather build a mini-itx pc that could emulate everything + MAME + PS1 + GC/Wii.
No.452052
No.452059
>>451979
I used my BBB to flash my T500 thinkpad with libreboot.
No.452060
>>451534
WTF is gamergate?? I've heard of it like 50 times in the last few years. I've looked it up on wiki a few times, but never really understood what they're talking about. Is it just a synonym for people who say "nigger"?
I don't even know what they're talking about in the tweet but I already know they're wrong and complete morons. If anything we finally have a simple absolute proof that 99% of the tech industry is run by corrupt and incompetent fucks.
>Question /tech/, are you goyem going to buy this?
$5? Maybe I will.
>>451979
I used to use one for controlling my shelf of bitcoin ASIScs, and now I use one as a router. Why? Because it's small, makes no noise, and low power. I have no idea whether it's ideal, I haven't done much research due to being busy with other stuff.
No.452095
do poorfags even have anything to plug HDMI into
No.452101
Is it really $5, or is "you can only buy it in this $20 set, of which the RPZ represents $5 of the value"?
>>451585
FPGA's are definitely cooler; but a lot more work too.
No.452114
>>452101
You get a $5 computer. To make it useful, you need a micro usb power supply (most phone chargers will do), a micro SD card (you probably have one or more lying around somewhere) and a micro usb to usb adapter (20 cents in some places). A mini-HDMI to HDMI adapter (60 cents) is advisable to get a display.
Those adapters, plus some pins, get sold through the official channels for $5, as a separate pack.
The extra costs will be extremely low for me.
No.452115
>>452101
it is $5, except you need at least $20 to really make it usable (cheap usb charger + micro sd card + usb micro adapter + cheapest usb wifi card)
No.452121
>>452115
Oh I just realised no ethernet. Yeah this thing is pretty useless in the sense that it's target audience doesn't actually exist.
No.452133
>>452121
actually, you can use it headless and without usb eth/wifi, by utilizing serial console, but then again, you need 3.3V usb-uart converter hooked to a pc.
what's more rubbish though, is only one usb port, so most people will need a hub
it's basically a bare SoC with ram chip and vreg, and very outdated, that's why it's so cheap
No.452139
>buying SJW shit
Shills please go.
No.452145
>>452115
awe shit nigga i forgot about that
>tfw forever a goy
No.452175
Can people please shut up about the arduinos faggy brother? Shitty fucking hipsters that think they are "engineers" because they made a raspduino dildo controller with build in mame emulator. I fucking hate the every single fucking person that refers to themselves as a "maker", shut the fuck up, you have designed just as much as achmed and his clock, faggot.
Sorry for the rant, just had to vent a little
No.452189
>>451534
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
>Broadcomm
There's proprietary and the there's Broadcomm. That shit is a whole new level of faggotry.
No.452213
>>451962
>because open source doesn't care about your freedom. "open source" is about marketing and propaganda, whereas free software is where the real shit is at
But academically aren't they the same thing? Open-source is more widely-used and sounds less scary to businesses, just use that.
No.452246
>>452213
Open-source means "you can look at the source".
Nothing about modification or redistribution or redistrubution of modification.
Free software is software that respects all your freedoms.
One of the major early proponents of open-source has since recanted his position and went back to free software, for the reason above.
No.452248
>>452213
Open-source means "you can look at the source".
Nothing about modification or redistribution or redistrubution of modification.
Free software is software that respects all your freedoms.
One of the major early proponents of open-source has since recanted his position and went back to free software, for the reason above.>>452213
No.452292
>>451979
I actually got 2 orange pi myself and i will use one of them as a multimedia, vpn, mumble, game server hoping i can power it entirely by solar power. additionally i want to set up some sort of hamnet but in the area where i live are no other hamnet stations.
the other one will be used as a timelapse camera for longtime timelapses (over months)
you just need imagination
No.452293
>>451979
I actually got 2 orange pi myself and i will use one of them as a multimedia, vpn, mumble, game server hoping i can power it entirely by solar power. additionally i want to set up some sort of hamnet but in the area where i live are no other hamnet stations.
the other one will be used as a timelapse camera for longtime timelapses (over months)
you just need imagination
No.452294
>>452293
sorry for doublepost
fix your page
No.452314
Short question, can't the GPIO on the RPI be used to solder and use an ethernet port on it?
No.452324
>>452314
You could hook up an ethernet to i2c or spi chip, or just use PPP over serial
No.452333
No.452338
>>452060
>WTF is gamergate??
It was a movement for ethics in games journalism that started after it was revealed that a woman (Zoe Quinn) banged people for good reviews of her game. The publications (most Kotaku and Polygon I think) then turned on their readers and began accusing them of being 'slut shamers', 'harassers' and 'misogynists' and started an SJW campaign against anyone who identified as a GamerGater or related.
No.452345
>>452246
>>452248
This is verifiably wrong. You never looked at the open source definition, or actually read one of the FSF's articles about the difference, did you?
http://opensource.org/osd-annotated
The open source definition is based on the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
No.452400
>>451534
> HUUR DUUR MUSOGINNY !
Fuck them and their shit micro computers.
No.452444
>>451634
>get robbed
>hahahaha you stole a 5$ pi
>get stabbed instead
No.452479
>>451707
>Does a 3d printer require real-time?
You want to be controlling stepper motors and physical switching within microseconds, milliseconds for non-critical work. Process switching is /slow/ --and that's on an unloaded system.
No.452488
>>452114
>The extra costs will be extremely low for me.
[quote]LOAD "RPIZERO",1:RUN
* CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR NEW RASPBERRY PI ZERO!
* YOU ARE A 13 YEAR OLD NERD WITH CHAV PARENTS.
> USE RASPBERRY PI
THE RASPBERRY PI (USE "RPI" FROM NOW ON) IS NOT CONNECTED TO ANY POWER AND WILL NEED MICROUSB POWER TO START.
> GET MICROUSBPOWER
I SEE NO MICROUSBPOWER HERE. MAYBE YOU NEED TO BUY ONE (20 CENTS IN SOME PLACES).
> BUY MICROUSBPOWER
YOU HAVE $0.00
> ASK MUM FOR 20 CENTS
YOUR MUM HITS YOU.
YOUR MOTHER SCREAMS "I SPENT IT ALL ON ME SMOKES!"[/quote]
No.452491
>>451990
>something useful for electricians or something
>DIY mame arcade
>buttcoin miner
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
>audio spying device
>DIY mame arcade
>DIY mame arcade
Wait... spying device?
http://mutsuda.com/2012/09/07/raspberry-pi-into-an-audio-spying-device/
The RPI0 would be perfect...
No.452495
>Was about to pull the trigger on buying an RPi because need super cheap shitpost machine
>Now going to buy bananapi instead because Rpi are cucks
No.452505
>>451608
What the industry / linux community needs to do is make this an all in one deal, preloaded with Debian, a decent sized SD card, power supply, keyboard, mouse and sell it all as a bundle for under 30.00.
No.452513
>>451979
1 is server monitor, used to reboot server if necessary
1 is Portable Piratebox, has an 8 hour battery connected to it, runs an imageboard and radiostation.
1 is an RetroPie (emulation station) using original SNES controllers.
1 is kept in the drawer ready for another project I might or might not do.
No.452515
>>452513
> PirateBox
How did you set it up for RPi, I never could figure it out.
No.452517
>>452515
I think they have images now.
But it's just a default debian with following:
-hostapd (to create AP)
-dnsmasq (to resolve all dns querries to your IP and dhcp)
-lighttpd (to host your site)
That's basicly it.
No.452523
>>452060
>>452338
SJWs were slowly worming their way into the game industry years before GG, for the purpose of taking control of it, and /v/ regularly had threads shitting on them. After the Quinn incident there was a huge, instantaneous backlash against all the SJW shit and corruption in games journalism. The SJWs probably realized they could no longer operate quietly, and started an all-out offensive. Almost the entirety of the games journalism scene declared war (many of them simultaneously in a coordinated operation known as "Gamers Are Dead") on their readership and video games at large, and were joined by many developers and pretty much the entire mainstream/general media.
They rallied behind people like Anita Sarkeesian, Zoe Quinn and Randi Harper and anyone else with a vagina and Twitter account, and together they spun the narrative that Sarkeesian and other women are being "harassed" and "threatened" and that there's a crisis of misogyny and rape culture and whatever in the video game world that must be addressed. They started demanding censorship, thought policing, political re-education, hiring quotas and radical reforms to game design, and so on, and used censorship, doxxing, death threats, bomb threats, false accusations, public shaming and reporting people to their employers to get what they wanted.
That's what GamerGate is largely fighting against. Although it seems mostly pointless now that the Western game industry has been revealed to be full of SJWs and beyond saving.
This same stuff is happening to varying degrees in tech, comic books, anime, and scifi/fantasy literature, and likely other places too.
No.452530
>>452444
>Get chavs to stab Raspberry Pi
>>Hue hue too bad you're not getting it back now because it's broken
>Battery explodes
>Chavs kill themselves
No.452535
What do you guys do when you get a microcontroller like the pi? I know you can use sensors & actuators but what else?
No.452542
>>452535
Putup AP named FreeWiFi and do MitM attacks
No.452550
>>452530
The chavs threw all their knives in the big bins, remember? Now they only walk around with a skeng
No.452573
>>451534
>can't PWM accurately
>no wireless connectivity
No.452623
>>451990
I've wanted to turn one into a seedbox for a long time, something you can just plug into the wall in range of wifi and let it run for a few days before retrieving it. Could also do a TOR relay.
No.452635
>microsoft partnership
>played along with the clock boy scam
>non-free software required to run
>mini connectors so you have to buy adapters
>you have to solder on the pin headers
It's shit.
You're better off getting a $10 board that doesn't use mini connectors and has the IO pins
raspberry pi is shilled soo hard by the media while other companies are ignored
No.452654
>>452635
This.
The problem is that cheaper Chinese made alternatives like orange pi have poor community support, lack documentation, and there are binary blobs too (Allwinner A13, yeah..)
The other entirely different thing is that people choose wrong type of hardware for their projects. Most SBCs are built around media SoCs, and while these are cheap, plentiful, and feature powerful cores with gfx accelerators, they lack connectivity options (no built in wifi radio or gig eth), often need closed drivers and needlessly consume power.
USB cards are an option, but they cost money, take space, are power hungry and drivers for them lack in every area except client mode. So, maybe raspi is not an optimal choice for projects like "battery powered wireless data logger"
No.452660
>>451545
I think you mean nonfree bootloader => into the trash.
<=> reads 'iff' or "if and only if", which means both nonfree bootloader => into the trash
and into the trash => nonfree bootloader
But 'into the trash => nonfree bootloader' doesn't make much sense.
No.452685
Why do tech companies care about goobergait
No.452693
>>452685
Because they're staffed by SJWs.
No.452815
Looks retarded. Doesn't need HDMI and graphics, so should of scrapped that and used a basic CPU core.
Could of saved a few pennys by making pcb act as a standard USB type A for power (wouldn't need an additional cable then)
These savings could of then been used to but a wifi module on it, you know, for that IoTs that the Cambridge and silicon valley folks keep banging on about.
RPi is just a Broadcom front for them to flog their shit chips. RPi are cheap because the foundation(made up of idiots and Broadcom shills) sells them at non-profit en-masse. But Broadcom still turns a profit.
No.452832
>>451534
>Throughout its history, Raspberry Pi has found a bigger audience amongst middle-aged hobbyists rather than the school children who were its original target.
If they couldn't tell who would buy the most of these they need to get better analysts.
>children
>giving a shit about computers
>2015
They're all short attention span braindead cattle using their iphones, why are parents so shit now.
No.452838
>>452523
>in anime
>implying anyone can tell the japs what to do
Hell CP was LEGAL there until last year, they just don't fucking care.
No.452859
Beowulf cluster computer when?
How much would it cost to make something out of RPi zeroes that would make it on the Top 500 list?
No.452888
>>452832
>play video games a shitton as a kid
>always on a laptop playing some RTS or something
>Alpha jock sportsy military brother constantly makes fun of me and gets sanctimonious about how he's NEVER going to let his kids touch those stupid video games
>15 years later
>brother has four kids and is on his second marriage
>every single one of the kids gets their own iPad to play Minecraft on, the girls play flash-based MMOs on laptop, the boy plays the latest Halo on Xbox One
No.452892
>>451614
>it needs to use libreboot
beaglebone black is fully free when hwdec blobs are stripped
No.452949
>>452523
>>452338
how do i care tho. i was always annoyed about being b& from games for saying "nigger" but that was way before the gamergate word started being spammed everywhere. i guess only people who read "games journalism" are into this or something
>>452838
u wot m8. i thought any porn with uncensored genitals is illegal in japan period. do you mean lolis?
No.452950
Does RPi still require a binary blob to work?
No.452962
Wow, I want one. Fucking awesome. Raspberry pi I love you.
No.452965
>>452949
>i guess only people who read "games journalism" are into this or something
Even if you don't read gaming sites SJWs will still affect you, and they also control most of the mainstream media.
No.452977
>>452950
Sadly. Broadcom released code for a similar GPU though, so we may see open source driver some day. Especially with how much attention the RPi gets.
I'll probably get one or two anyways. It is a rather neat idea, and it's really damn cheap.
No.452980
No.452996
>buy a tiny cheap SBC from a western company with QA standards, a return policy, and an active developer community.
OR
>buy a larger more expensive SBC from a chinese company with few QA standards, no return policy and few developers thanks to a weird chinese SOC design because two tweets about gaymer gay.
8chan sucks because of large faggot interest groups brigading neutral boards to force non-participation in the larger net. Which is retarded because browbeating every anon to play sekrit club reduces their cultural impact anyway.
No.453024
How would the zero preform as a X forwarding remote? I've been using my pi 2 to do pretty much everything common files related for my dual boots and have been thinking about setting it up so I only have winblows on my desktop for gaymen and Cygwin
No.453039
No.453096
>>451780
> pedo-enablers (you)
No.453111
>>451985
Faggot look how you dissected my post like a loser. Only losers do that. Look at all the other people with interesting responses. And then you, mentally ill forum lifer who never did a single thing.
No.453229
>>452996
There are also shills from competing companies who always turn rpi threads into a really big shitfest. Truth is, all these microboards have binary blobs untill http://www.lowrisc.org/ does its thing. Meanwhile raspberry pi is miles ahead of competition in every way. Cheaper, better build quality, better software, better community etc. Now with the Zero, competition is literally BTFO and faggots and shills here cry muh SJW. Kinda funny if it weren`t so sad.
No.453243
>>452980
Does that mean you can deblob it? As in, you can now run RPi without any binary blobs?
No.453244
>>453229
>all these microboards have binary blobs
kek
cause >>451814 and similar have no binblobs whatsoever, but then again, these are not built around media SoCs
No.453261
>>453244
>but then again, these are not built around media SoCs
yeah exactly
No.453275
Never forget the cuckoldry of the general population. If you care at all about the world, fight against these fucking aGGro sjws.
No.453283
>closed source drivers, cannot actually start without the non-free firmware
>creators take positions on things instead of actually working or waste money on some sort of moron to shitpost on twatter
why do people give these people money?
No.453319
>>453283
why do they give them up to 100 shekels although its supposed to cost 5?
No.453320
>>453283
>creators take positions on things instead of actually working or waste money on some sort of moron to shitpost on twatter
Nah. gamergate faggots stalked her with emails. "are you with us or against us?" "Tell us !, tell us now! Offcourse the woman is annoyed by these pesky anons and tweets her tweet. Then moves on. Unlike you faggots.
No.453330
>>453320
>lying on the internet
Stay classy, SJW.
No.453341
>>452888
easiest way to make time for sex, anon-kun
No.453345
>>453330
>You`re a liar hurdurdur!
Stay classy shill.
No.453348
>>453345
Shill? What am I trying to sell here?
And I would love to see those e-mails. Because you know, I don`t listen and believe.
No.453349
>>453348
Anything but rpi.
No you tell me how it went then, since you know so well.
No.453358
>everyone on this thread refusing to buy Raspi Zero just because of one tweet or whatever, making the Raspi company SJWs
go browse /pol/ since you faggots obviously care more about politics than technology
I am going to buy ten of these bad boys just to burn a few and make cool shit with them.
No.453360
>>451534
>le anti goobergay maymay
>>>/v/
still won't stop me from buying them
No.453361
>>451534
>Throughout its history, Raspberry Pi has found a bigger audience amongst middle-aged hobbyists rather than the school children who were its original target. That is likely to be the case at first with the Zero, though school computing clubs may may find it a useful addition to their projects.
no actually i doubt schoolchildren ever are going to be interested in raspis and computers. For them computers are a means of entertainment and a window to access facebook or whatever they use. Why dont the raspi people serve to these 'middle aged hobbyists'? I mean they're the only ones who actually appreciate their stuff
No.453379
>>453358
Raspi really don't give you enough to sound sincere? Do your fucking job right.
No.453383
>>453361
>Hacking UNIX is only for big boys.
No.453400
>>453243
Everything but the bootloader is now open. So the PI is officially bretty gud.
>>453275
Adafruit says restocking december 5th, so I should be able to get one for christmas
I hope those scalpers get fucked.
>>453348
>Shill? What am I trying to sell here?
Lynxchan of course. I don't know how, but you somehow are shilling it. :^)
No.453444
>>453361
100% true. when i hear my friends, family, and others talk about how all their kids are computer geniuses because they can use tablets to watch youtube and play games i feel a little unwell. i don't try to argue about it with them just as i don't really advertise what i do because i'm not their tech support, but if that's where we're setting the bar then the future is bleak indeed.
>>453383
that's not a rebuttal, you mincing little faggot.
No.453458
>>451907
X isnt being shoehorned. It's legitimately good. Maybe you should try it.
No.453468
>>453229
>Now with the Zero, competition is literally BTFO
>tiny piece of shit with even less processing power than before
>BTFOing anything
The only people who will buy this are normies who will grab it because it's cheap. They'll learn that windows doesn't work on it and instantly trash it without remorse. There is literally no reason to own this product if you're already into SBCs, because it's a downgrade from anything else.
No.453496
Normies will buy it and install kodi to use it as a stream box. £4 free TV is pretty appetising.
No.453502
>>453444
>mfw I was an actual computer genius as a kid
No.453513
>rpi
>sjw trash
Well awesome. Can someone recommend a better board for getting into this hobby? I'm already going to get an Arduino, whats something that fills the same niche as the pi?
No.453515
>>453513
nvm then just saw that arduino is scum as well.
Whats a replacement for that?
No.453524
BTW, any of you cucks wanting to get this should just get the CHIP board instead. Much cooler, and better deal overall.
http://makezine.com/2015/11/28/chip-vs-pi-zero/
No.453526
Impressive. Too bad I can't give them money when they'll use it to say "look how much people agree with us".
I'll not give them that chance.
No.453529
>>451979
Syncthing, along with a spacious USB flashdrive.
Runs off a gutted tablet car power adapter, which is hooked up to a 12volt alarm battery (that also powers my router and modem), which in turn is permanently hooked up to a trickle charger.
No.453535
>>453524
Where can I get this?
No.453544
>>453535
they are going to start taking orders on monday on their site. KS backers have already got theirs. There is an optional Gameboy-like attachment for it that is insanely cool as well.
No.453549
>>453544
Will this be out in time for Christmas? It probably doesn't matter since it's so cheap, but still.
No.453550
>>453549
>>453524
Dat shipping cost tho......
Can it really be said to cost so little when shipping is so much higher?
No.453551
>>453349
That is not how burden of proof works.
No.453561
This reminds me, is there any board with native s-ata and gigabit etiernet that isn't using a ancient chipset (slike Allwinners A10 or A20) and where the s-ata and ethernet isn't provided by a on-board USB-to-xxx chip like so many goddamn boards do, just so they can advertise support for it?
No.453567
>>453550
yes it was a lot for KS, but they haven't announced the shipping cost for real orders. I'm hopeful about it.
This is their website http://getchip.com/
Caveat Emptor: they might be SJWs, they look pretty hipster-y, but probably can't be worse than the RPi people.
No.453627
>>453468
>The only people who will buy this are normies who will grab it because it's cheap.
Not really.
> because it's a downgrade from anything else.
Also not really.
Would give reasons, but 3/10 for your effort, so piss off faggot.
No.453631
>>451585
get one of those cheap chinese boards with altera chips, really nice stuff.
No.453632
>>453515
>>453513
The Arduinos are low end microcontrollers, not comparable really to RPis.
What are you interested in doing exactly? If you're interested in learning and experimenting with electronics and microcontrollers I'd recommend Microchip Pics; Get yourself a PicKit3 and some hobbyist items (breadboard, multimeter, resistors, leds, etc). Then either look at some beginner guides to decide which Pic to get or if you have a project in mind find one that matches your requirements. Then order it as a free sample through Microchip's site.
If you want an RPi-like, then it depends what you want to do; >>453524 is a good choice, other wise look at the competition and Rpi knock offs
No.453692
>>452654
Beaglebone Black is weaker, but has much, much better connectivity and pinout options.
No.453697
>>453400
No scalpers are smart. It is people who buy that shit need to be fucking shot.
No.453725
>>453697
>No scalpers are smart. It is people who buy that shit need to be fucking shot.
Are you actually defending scalpers and saying that people who purchase a product you politically oppose should be shot, all in the same breath? Good god, you truly are the finest example of scum I have witnessed in a while. Do the world a favour and drink some bleach you pile of shit.
No.453772
>>453725
I think what he's saying is that the scalpers are smart by taking advantage of the opportunity to make money (which is what the world revolves around). The people buying the overpriced, resold goods are the idiots.
No.453826
Regardless of my stance on gamergate I think a company should never openly pick a side like that, staying silent means people from both sides will buy your products, picking one divides your consumer base since you're actively showing aggression towards one side. That's just terrible marketing/PR. That alone is enough to dissuade me from buying their products, getting political like that is just stupid, what if I support them then tomorrow they take some political stance I don't agree with, will people assume things about me by proxy of the things I support?
>Anon loves rpi
>rpi loves *
>Anon must also support *
I like their products too, this sucks.
No.453834
>>453826
>what if I support them then tomorrow they take some political stance I don't agree with, will people assume things about me by proxy of the things I support?
That's generally par for the course on 8ch and even halfchan.
It always sucks when a company makes a good product but the people behind it are actually terrible human beings.
No.453953
>>453826
Do you have a spine?
No.453973
>>453834
Opposing Gamergate does not make you a terrible human being.
No.453975
>>453973
No it just makes you stupid
No.453978
Here's a great article comparing the Pi Zero with the CHIP
http://makezine.com/2015/11/28/chip-vs-pi-zero/
No.453982
>>453978
Is there an adblock list for Disqus comment sections? Jesus christ.
No.453988
>>453973
>defending women beause they're women does not make you a terrible human being
>letting corrupt journalism continue does not make you a terrible human being
>letting people go on doxing, threatening and generally fucking others over, while publicly condemning us for doing the same does not make you a terrible human being
No.453992
>>453978
>how can we help people visualize this thing's size when taking a picture?
>I know, let's put it next to a piece of fruit!
Fuck your fruit. Go buy a goddamn ruler.
No.454035
>>452189
Fuck broadcomm so much. They are the soul reason my arch install took two weeks and a fuck ton of debugging.
No.454039
>>453772
They're both insufferable bastards who should be taken out back and given the ol' Yeller treatment
No.454144
Into the trash it goes.
Not going to buy this piece of shit, they can enjoy their SJW customers
No.454150
No.454246
What's a good alternative that doesn't give all my money to helping women fuck up the tech industry?
Arduino does too. Should I just go for a beaglebone or some chinese knockoff?
No.454278
>>454246
Depends on what you're planning on doing with it?
No.454291
>>454246
I'm doing research into the SJW sentiments of Project CHIP. Their twitter account (@nextthingco) appears to have heavy involvement with Make magazine, a publication run entirely by former Wired magazine corrupt SJWs. But that is where my suspicion has ended so far. Dave Rauchwerk appears to be the director of Project CHIP. He does not tweet much. He does spout memes in real life, but aside from that he's not a fag. I don't know who Gus Hubert is in relation to the project. So far as I can tell he isn't even on twitter. These people in general appear to be very careful about sharing their personal affairs. Most SJW hipsters are not like that, which makes me wonder about them. They are very much hipster faggots in their videos. But not generally online. Ohh no; there they are careful. My conclusion is that broadly, if there are any SJWs in the company, then they will be within the "social media correspondents" and not the engineering team. My other conclusion is that they are very careful greedy kikes (so make of that what you will). Feel free to carry on with the research if you think it'd be worthwhile.
Here is a list of alternatives to the Raspberry Pi (depending on your budget and the project you want to make):
STM32
Project CHIP
Black Swift
Orange Pi
Intel Atom Embedded (buy second-hand to not fund SJWs)
Olimex LIME
Odroid C1+
Beaglebone Black (pro-freedom, but expensive)
No.454292
>>454035
>arch install
I'm pretty sure that's not the reason why your system was fucked :^)
No.454318
>>454291
More on operations at Project CHIP:
Dave Rauchwerk - Founder, CEO, Engineer
Gustavo Huber - Co-Founder, Engineer
Thomas Deckert - Co-Founder, Industrial Designer
Wynter Woods - Software Developer
Brownell Chalstrom - Investor, Consulting Advisor
Alexander Kaplan - Software Lead, Research Scientist
Richard Reininger - Vice-President of Marketing
Yet to be identified:
Andrew, Ben, Sharps, Vanessa, George, Richard, Shelly.
Potentially useful: http://bbs.nextthing.co/
TL;DR from what I've seen I don't think the SJWs have got to them yet. They are capitalists first and "progressives" second.
No.454322
>>454318
Ohh and before the /tech/ mods complain I should point out that this information is not dox, nor is it intended to be used as such. In fact it is already publicly available (because signing up to linkedin shares your shit with the whole wide world).
No.454344
>>454291
>I'm doing research into the SJW sentiments of Project CHIP
By research you mean internetting? You are like a SJW. Go back to /v, /b, or whatever shithole you come from.
Raspberry pi is fine. I hate you fucking up this board with your stupid emotional sentiments.
No.454378
>>453444
>reductio ad absurdum is not rebuttal
No.454381
No.454387
>>454278
Will probably be a torrent box and/or server.
No.454399
>>452213
most OSI-approved software is also FSF-approved software. The difference lies in the goals and discourse. I prefer free software because I buy into the freedom thing. Moreover open-source also confuses people. See >>452248
No.454461
>>453096
They said they're not confused. They know exactly what they believe in. It's clear to be that SJWs intend to normalize pedophilia. Therefore, the Raspberry Pi developers are pedo-enablers.
Furthermore, SJWs are creating rifts in the free software community, making it politically pliant to corporate takeover. So the devs are also complicit in the destruction of free software.
They conflated themselves with all of these things and more by tying themselves to this identity, and they say they know what they're doing. They can go eat a grenade for all I care.
No.454642
>>454461
SJWs absolutely will not normalize pedophilia. Their movement has spent 100 years destroying western birth rates by raising the age that women have children, wasting valuable fertile years, and slowing population growth. Pedophilia would carry over into those early fertile years which they will never allow except for brownskin invaders. And don't point to that Salon article as they've been a troll site before most of you were born.
No.454662
>>454344
>I hate you fucking up this board with your stupid emotional sentiments.
Alright. Say you're interested in this shit and you want to learn more about it. You go down to your regional "maker scene", for example a place like this: http://madlab.org.uk/. Ctrl+f "women" and see for yourself the amount of enforced gender segregation and women-only clubs that take place at the expense of your own tuition.
"Too emotional" for you?
Still want to take part in the hobby?
Yeah probably, right?
Alright well let's look at the grand daddy of this here maker scene: "Make magazine".
Who is the editor-in-chief? Mark Frauenfelder. Who is he? Why, he's a former writer for Wired magazine. And the founder and co-editor of Boing Boing. Who is his co-editor and managing partner over at Boing Boing? David Pescovitz. Former Wired magazine journalist, "editor-at-large" at MAKE magazine.
These are the smuttiest journalists who employ their mates to write drivel who are in bed with each other. And do you know how I know about all of this incestuous shit? Because I put the fucking work in. And do you know why I put the work in? Because I want my money to go to people who respect my money. And not go to these pieces of shit. All of the while you sit there and you bitch at me because you're happy to slurp their cock and don't want to be told that you're being a lazy slut. This is why you need to go back to /g/, because you'd just be happy for Bill Gates and Steve Jobs to bend you over and give your anus a tickle.
No.454823
>00:00:00:00 remaining until chip pre-orders
What the fuck is this shit?
No.454825
>>453544
I set my alarm for this. I still don't see the button to buy it in any email from them or on their site, but their twitter seems to be indicating that they are fixing something and it should be up in 10 minutes.
No.454827
No.454828
>>454823
it was also pushed back 2 more hours. I set my alarm for the exact time, get up, see some shit like "1:59:xx til preorders!" put another 2 hours on the clock cuz it's fucking 7 am and now this shit.
No.454833
>>451899
Analog wouldn't be cheaper. These chips have dedicated hdmi encoders you get for free. To generate an analog signal you'd need a DAC which they won't put on low power chips due to the silicon processes used, which means external DAC and software emulation and that's shit.
No.454834
>>454828
Their twitter says it's "moments away."
Does not say how many moments.
No.454837
No.454838
>>451979
it's like knitting for girls
something to talk about doing all the time, get together with people to talk about doing, and have drinks while planning to do
but never do it
No.454842
Just bought 3.
Eat it, waitfags
No.454845
>>454837
disregard that, they just confirmed my order
No.454847
>>454844
>living in a shithole
:^)
No.454852
>Est. shipping: 6 months from now
Pass, I don't do short-term loans
No.454853
>>454847
Chicago is a shithole; I'm still getting this message on the site.
No.454859
>has eaten over an hour of my time
>still no order
No.454871
>$300 order
>$35 standard shipping
They should really be using FedEx
No.455548
>>453550
Shipping cost for me was $11 to Canada For the pocket chip, and $6.22 for just the board. Same with US addresses.
No.455720
>>451979
Currently use mine as a place to FTP backups, and also have a couple bots running 24/7 on there