No.21489[Last 50 Posts]
Hey, /younglove/. I apologize if this isn't the proper place for this thread. I'm not a native of this board (found it linked through /cutegirls/), I don't really know the culture. I just really need some advice, and having people who understand where I'm coming from would be best.
I'm 22, a senior in uni, and I'm home for the summer. Recently, my mother's been keeping these two foster kids. Both girls, ages 10 and twelve 12. She thought it would be nice since my own sister and I are only 3 years apart ourselves, and that we'd be able to relate to them.
Before I get into details, I'm most certainly a paedo/hebephile, and I've known that since I was 19. I thought my attraction would grow up with me, but it stayed around the age that I first started puberty and realized that girls were attractive. This has been a constant source of angst for me… I used to tutor and volunteer for a after school care program, but I quit because I felt like I was wrong by working around so many adolescents (a girl and her little brother were getting very close to me and their mother always looked at me like a creeper for it). I don't hang around my friend's siblings,I don't go anywhere that I know many children might be. I just try to isolate myself from children as much as possible. For a while, I was suicidal over it, but now I'm just working on it how I can. I'm still a little attracted to people my own age, but they don't do anything compared to lolis.
Anyway, the older sister is really cute and reminds me of myself. She's quiet, she wears glasses, she likes to have me watch her play video games and chill with me when I play, she's into horror even though it scares her so I have to be there for her to hide her face in my chest when she's frightened, and she's just… really cute. One day, she was getting into the bath and the for was cracked while she was fixing the floor mat, and I just…
This is a fucking problem.
When I realized I was liking her attention more than I should, I started just going straight to my room as soon as I get home. I don't play with her as often. I try not to interact with her much. I feel guilty, but I feel even more guilty with this attraction I have.
I don't really know what to do. I know what I want to do, but I don't know what I should do. I'm conflicted. Given that many of you understand where I'm coming from,I was hoping you could give me your opinions.
Pic related, random girl from Google, but very similar to how she looks, but a shade or two darker.
No.21490
Also, if this isn't the right board for this, I'm sorry. This looked like the most relevant for my question.
No.21491
Try not giving a fuck.
No, really. Are you going to rape her? No? Are you going to put her in an otherwise bad situation? No? Then you're giving at least 100% too much of a fuck.
She sounds really cute indeed. Just look inside yourself and think about what you really think you might do with her. Don't view it from the perspective of the normal folk's 'morals', as they're the ones who have this "it's wrong to even be around them, because you like them" attitude. Be reasonable and realize that nothing you do is bad unless you make her uncomfortable or put her in a situation that forces secrecy and potential huge consequences on her.
Honestly, I know the angst. But it seemed to disappear for me after I actually got chances to be close to little girls. I realized that I enjoyed their company, and felt attracted to them, but also that I didn't have urges to molest them or anything. It didn't require willpower not to do something inappropriate. Do you ever legit think you're about to snap and suddenly do something inappropriate?
No.21494
Just make an affirmation to yourself: "I'm not going to hurt her. I'm not going to make her do anything she doesn't want to do. I'm not going to do anything to make her uncomfortable or insecure around me." Then adhere to it.
If you can do that, then you can stop worrying because you aren't a horrible monster. Show her love (and I'm not using that word as a euphemism for sex) and let her love you back. It'll fix all your suicidal thoughts and emotions.
No.21499
I think you made the right decision. If you feel uncomfortable around her, it's best just to avoid her. It's ultimately your mother's job to raise the foster children she took on- don't feel forced to aid in them being raised when you feel tempted to look at them in a sexual way.
No.21500
>>21491
>>21494
OP, listen to these folks, they know what they're talking about.
I just came back from a 3 hour visit of my little cuties. We've been on the playground with many parents around and I got some evil stares from most of them, but I just don't give the slightest fuck. They could follow me around all day, no problem, because I know that what I'm doing with the girls is not creepy at all.
It's just the thought that a (young) man gives all of his attention to little girls which makes normal people wonder what's up, because the only conclusion they come to is me wanting to rape them. If they see the girls are happy around me and they see me often they won't give a fuck either.
It's all in your head. If you think you are a monster everyone will notice your insecurity. You are not a monster, so stop behaving like one.
Also the girl you talked about must really like you. Can you imagine how she feels with not getting any of your attention and you going to your room all day? Maybe she thinks she did something wrong.
Behave naturally around her, don't push her to do anything. Just let everything that happens happen and don't question your every move.
Last but not least: Never identify as a pedophile in real life. We on the chans can differentiate between child molesters and loving and caring pedophiles. The outside world cannot! As soon as you tell anyone you are a pedophile they will keep an eye on you, just to be sure. Consequences will never be the same.
No.21501
>>21500
>and I got some evil stares from most of them
>I know that what I'm doing with the girls is not creepy at all
If people are giving you the hairy eyeball, you might want to reconsider how creepy you look.
No.21502
>>21501
I can assure you I'm not the typical 'stranger'. I've built relationships with all of my girls. I love them and they love me. So even if I look creepy to any adults around it doesn't affect me in any way.
Sometimes if I need a break (kids have sooo fucking much energy) I sit down next to them and start a conversation. Most of the time this is enough for them to not pay more attention to us than anyone else.
I also think there is a difference in going alone to the park or bringing kids with you. Not all adults are assholes. Sometimes when we arrive they greet and are generally friendly too, to the point that me playing with their kids is not something they are afraid of.
No.21503
>>21502
>I can assure you I'm not the typical 'stranger'. I've built relationships with all of my girls.
That's what people are worried about.
Just remember that looking like you are committing a crime is just as damning socially as actually doing it.
No.21505
>>21503
Sorry I don't get your point.
If playing with little girls and giving them all the attention looks like committing a crime it's not me who is stupid.
It's just the way it is that our hysterical media makes parents believe that every man is a potential rapist. And men who genuinely enjoy the company of little girls are rapists for sure. Why else would they do it?
No.21506
>>21505
It's not the attention, it's the fact you are building relationships with children. To put it another way, you are going to a public park for the sole purpose of forming close relationships with small children. That's trés shady.
No.21507
I like to add to this that it surely is a cultural difference. I mostly deal with eastern European families, who are much more accepting the fact that some men like to spend time with children and they think it's a nice thing.
>>21506
Yeah but the thing is that I don't go to the park to get to know children, I go there with children I already know. When another kid I don't know starts talking to me or wants me to play with him or her too I'll do it. Their own parents are most likely the ones sitting on a bench looking into their smartphone all day.
No.21508
>>21489
Remember that she cannot read your mind and cannot understand your recent behaviour. Do not avoid her, because for her it will most certainly look like you don't like her.
Do NOT stop spending time with her. If you feel so uncomfortable about close body contact, say so, politely.
Sit with her at a desk, or sit next to her in her room. It is possible and you will experience just as quality time.
>For a while, I was suicidal over it, but now I'm just working on it how I can. I'm still a little attracted to people my own age, but they don't do anything compared to lolis.
You are not alone with this.
> feel guilty, but I feel even more guilty with this attraction I have.
You don't need to feel guilty for your attraction. You didn't ask for it. Instead, try to get some positive use out of it. Enjoy the time with her - you know that you do.
No.21513
>>21501
Even then, it doesn't matter. I've told the story before so I'll make it short this time. I was once close to a girl and ended up playing with a bunch of other little girls in the neighborhood. A woman who saw me from her window literally lured me to her apartment and interrogated me about it. I just explained to her that I was with one of them and she basically just accepted it after that. Screw 'looking creepy', he said he wasn't creepy. There's always someone who'll think you 'look creepy' if you're in the proximity of a little girl, so fuck the haters.
No.21523
>>21491
>Don't view it from the perspective of the normal folk's 'morals', as they're the ones who have this "it's wrong to even be around them, because you like them" attitude.
Yeah, that's always how I've viewed it, because that's what's been pushed on me, you know? I would never hurt her, I just feel like I'm not supposed to be around her because of the attraction for her, since that's how most people think as well.
>I realized that I enjoyed their company, and felt attracted to them, but also that I didn't have urges to molest them or anything. It didn't require willpower not to do something inappropriate. Do you ever legit think you're about to snap and suddenly do something inappropriate?
Nooo, never. I don't feel like I can't control myself. I just have this attraction and I fear that in itself is inappropriate. And what if the longer I'm around her, the stronger that feeling becomes? That's what I'm really afraid of.
>>21494
Thank you. I'll start telling myself that. I have been feeling like I'm a "monster", so I really appreciate your comment. Maybe accepting the feelings and letting them go is better than running away from them.
>>21499
Yeah, I know. But just ignoring her existence from here on out? That seems cruel, in and of itself.
>>21500
>Also the girl you talked about must really like you. Can you imagine how she feels with not getting any of your attention and you going to your room all day? Maybe she thinks she did something wrong.
>Behave naturally around her, don't push her to do anything. Just let everything that happens happen and don't question your every move.
That hurt to read, but you're right. I really hope she doesn't think she did anything wrong. I'll be more natural and try to stop second guessing myself (even though I feel like I have a giant "PAEDO" sign on my forehead constantly).
I could never tell anyone. I was tempted to see if I could talk to a therapist about it, but it seems like they'll probably assume "could molester", too. I haven't and don't plan on doing that, but most people don't understand the difference.
>>21506
I don't see the problem with building a relationship with little girls as long as it's mutual and loving, yah? And as long as he isn't raping them, what laws are being broken?
>>21508
Thank you so much. I'll ease back into chilling with her, and then adjust boundaries when I feel I need. You're right, it's not like she can read my mind, she just knows that I suddenly started avoiding her. The thought of her feeling abandoned is fucking terrible, I really don't want her feeling like she drove me away somehow.
I'm really glad I found this board, because this has been eating at me and I don't feel comfortable attempting to explain it to anyone else. Thanks for mentioning your experiences as well! Another thing I've been scared about is being approached as some rapist by someone in public. But as long as I'm not doing anything wrong, they're just making assumptions.
No.21526
>>21523
>Yeah, I know. But just ignoring her existence from here on out? That seems cruel, in and of itself.
You are 22. You are at an age where you seek privacy and become more independent from your family. It's not that weird or cruel.
>I don't see the problem with building a relationship with little girls as long as it's mutual and loving, yah? And as long as he isn't raping them, what laws are being broken?
Society has numerous unwritten laws and taboos that breaking can cause the entirety of it to conspire against you.
No.21527
>>21523
The feelings you describe are exactly the ones I had when I was younger. Feeling like there's a sign in your forehead, guilt about having the attraction at all, and the fear of the attraction becoming stronger to maybe spiral out of control some day, the feeling that it's wrong to enjoy little girls' company…
However, if my life is anything to go by, then I can safely say it gets better. I don't have a problem with it at all anymore.
And also, yeah, don't bother coming out to anybody. It has a chance of giving you some support and a feeling of relief, but not much more. I've personally told an unbelievable amount of people and have had miraculous luck with it - although that may have something to do with the culture I live in? I don't know, but in any case I still don't know why I do it, as it has never really helped me all that much, whether it be friends, family or therapists. If you feel the need, I suppose you shouldn't feel afraid of talking to a therapist; just know that they may not know what they're talking about.
No.21530
>>21526
This oz uterus, but a twelve year old girl who's used to the foster care system and not connecting with people will not make that distinction. I know I have reasons of my own, but she doesn't have that level of understanding about it.
And even just being kind and building a loving relationship with someone who happens to be younger than you? I'm not saying relationship as in going on dates or physically being with them. I mean emotionally.
>>21527
So it does get easier with age? That's a relief. I'm jealous of your luck. I guess I feel line maybe it won't weigh so heavily on my shoulders if I admit it to someone, but if it doesn't help,I don't want to end up making it harder to deal with.
No.21533
>>21530
Whoa, the fuck? My phone is fucking up my typing. "This isn't an adult, but a twelve year old girlwho's used to the foster care system…"
Sorry, should have checked over that.
No.21534
>>21523
A small addition to >>21508, what i forgot to complete. You might want to browse over, since these are general thoughts i want to write up
>You don't need to feel guilty for your attraction.
this is of course exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis (exception of the rule) - you are not responsible for your attraction, but all the more for your actions.
I for my part cannot empathize ANY of this 'pedophiles constantly have to fight a need to molest children' idea, which is widespread in society. I would explain it to a non-pedophile like this:
>did you need to fight the urge to harass or rape a woman? But you said you ARE heterosexual, so you feel attracted…
What i feel when i spend time with a loli is entirely positive. Sometimes sexual attraction exists, but the emotional attraction is much more important for me. I love spending time with lolis, i really enjoy it when they show how they like you (as a friend or a cool adult) and trust you. I enjoy it when they ask you stuff and demand you to explain stuff.
A loli showing her bum while she is rollicking around is just a nice bonus and a nice view.
Do you know that feeling when you see parents, esp. mothers fail in their role and often thinking "i could do a better job with ease."? See them ignoring their daughter and instead smearing their smartphone screens? See them smoking and yet don't let them move a meter away at the bus station? Ignoring their curiosity and questions?
Spending time with lolis makes my day, every day again. This is why i spend time with children work-related. I would rather jump off a cliff than molesting a child.
Of course it is very plausible that pedophilia is an outcome of many circumstances and a fraction of all the mentally sick people who are out there feel sexually attracted to children aswell. Sexuality is a twisted thing.
But i don't identify myself with them more then a heterosexual identifies himself with a rapist who preys on women.
I don't want to have own children, but for different reasons - primary because i don't want to be in a relation with a woman and live a lie towards her.
> Another thing I've been scared about is being approached as some rapist by someone in public. But as long as I'm not doing anything wrong, they're just making assumptions.
Always keep this in mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subjective_character_of_experience
You experience what you expect, since you can't read peoples mind, you assume what is going on in their head - and your assumption is constantly "i am a pedophile! i am a pedophile omg omg."
No.21555
>>21534
I want to you for your posts again. Everything you've written has been immensely helpful to me, as I've never been able to talk about these emotions with anyone else.
>I for my part cannot empathize ANY of this 'pedophiles constantly have to fight a need to molest children' idea
Yes, exactly! I've never felt like that. I just feel that my attraction makes it inappropriate to be around them. For me, it's more like
>you assume what is going on in their head - and your assumption is constantly "i am a pedophile! i am a pedophile omg omg."
And that's what drives my isolation.
I feel exactly how you do, children-wise. I'd never harm a child. And my attraction doesn't make me a crazy child molester. I've just been fed that message so much over the years that I've got a lot of self hate towards myself, and it's feeding into itself.
Thank you, everyone, for your advice. I'm gong to work on rebuilding a supportive relationship with her, and being there for her. I'm just gonna let life happen and give her my love and treasure her own. I don't have a large, red "P" for paedo sewn to my chest, so I need to stop feeling and acting as if I do. This conversation has really helped me with some of the guilt that's been on me, too. I've already said thank you a ton of times, but you guys have no idea how grateful I am for your advice and finding this place.
No.21568
>>21534
>did you need to fight the urge to harass or rape a woman? But you said you ARE heterosexual, so you feel attracted…
Except a non pedophile is able to legally have sex with an adult woman. They can get sex with someone that satisfies them.
If they couldn't ever get legal sex, they'd probably have to fight the urge to rape women.
No.21569
>>21555
>Thank you, everyone, for your advice. I'm gong to work on rebuilding a supportive relationship with her, and being there for her. I'm just gonna let life happen and give her my love and treasure her own
I'm happy for you anon, and I'm happy I could help you get there. Sometimes, places like an anonymous image-board are all the therapy someone needs.
Now, if only I could find someone I could be happy with too… Dammit, I'm jealous.
No.21579
>>21568
Everyone can have sex, it is called masturbation. If one can't get 'satisfied' enough from that to not forcing intimacy on someone, he/she is indeed a latent danger to fellow human beings.
Isn't there this huge group of people in the internet who never had sex? Didn't hear many
>basement dweller raped a girl to finally have sex
stories yet.
No.21582
>>21569
Don't be! It probably won't develop into anything further. I don't even mind being an older brother type for her. I just missed being around her. She was a little distant earlier, but now she's starting to warm up to me again.
No.21585
>>21579
Well a lot of posters here just love to cite those studies showing that legal availability of porn reduces the rates of sexual crimes. What else does that say but that when people aren't sexually satisfied they'll resort to rape?
Or are you disowning that theory?
Masturbation is not has never been and never will be equivalent to sex no matter how much you or anyone else wants it to be, and most people aren't just satisfied by masturbation alone you know, hence the sexual crimes when they can't even get porn to help it.
No.21594
>>21585
People don't rape because they can't get laid.
No.21599
>>21585
>What else does that say but that when people aren't sexually satisfied they'll resort to rape?
It does say that legal availability of porn reduces the rates of sexual crimes.
What you write is "possible", but simply not prooven.
No.21602
>>21594
Most people dont sure, but once again the data is there that suggests that the less sexually repressed a population is the less sex crimes there are amongst that population.
No.21603
>>21599
So youre disowning the theory.
Well as long as you promise to interject when someones tries to bring it up as a reason to legalize the possesion of cp, then fine with me.
No.21604
>>21602
And that data considers jerking off to porn as not being sexually repressed.
No.21605
>>21604
you literally just said masturbation was equivalent to sex
>Everyone can have sex, it is called masturbation
Yes, a population that allows porn is usually said to be less sexually repressed than one that does not, but don't let that stop you from grasping at straw or should I say your dick.
No.21615
I quit my job at a hotel recently a contributing factor to that decision was the Euro lolis that just walk around naked, I regularly fapped in the employees bathroom during break to get over it. I always had deep post fap shame.
No.21619
>>21615
I fucking hate you!! Your fucking story inspired me to want to fucking work at a hotel, and you go and fucking quit? I made two fucking threads about it on /hebe/! You never fucking came into those threads! You suck! You have such low self control as to have to jack off just by seeing a naked loli, and yet you have the moralfag idiocy to also feel bad about it? You're a fucking failure! What the fuck kind of idiot does this shit? That's fucking paradise!! I fucking want to work at this magical hotel with naked lolis walking around naked! God fucking damn!
No.21620
>>21619
Oh, and my face when.
No.21631
Yeah better run around naked all day than wearing a two piece.
No.21647
>>21615
Op here. I don't know how you lasted even that long. I wouldn't last a week, most likely. I emphasize, though. Sorry that you had to quit, but I completely understand the circumstances. Are you looking to work places without kids now?
>>21619
Can't tell if serious or trolling?
If serious, calm down, man. Your life doesn't have to revolve around your dick, especially when your dick wants something that's morally and legally reprehensible. Don't give him grief when he already mentioned he was feeling guilty over it.
No.21648
>>21647
>Your life doesn't have to revolve around your dick, especially when your dick wants something that's morally and legally reprehensible.
FUCK YOU YOU SELF-HATING FUCKTARD!!!
No.21661
>>21648
There, there, anon. Where is the anger coming from? Who hurt you?
No.21672
>>21619
>>21647
>Are you looking to work places without kids now?
Well l would if I could, I'm going back to working at another hotel soon although this one isnt for families its primarily for older folks and it isnt near a beach so it wont be as much of a problem, I really shouldnt have quit the my old job though it was a pretty great besides the whole loli thing.
No.21673
>>21672
It was pretty great BECAUSE of the whole loli thing!! What the fuck 7s wrong with you?!
No.21674
>>21673
Well It was at a time when I was much more ashamed of my attraction and also working with an erection is annoying especially with physical work like carrying suitcases and being a waiter.
No.21684
>>21648
>caps=cruice control
>if someone does not embrace child molesting he is self-hating
>i know that because i am supersmart
No.21686
>>21674
>even being capable of an erection at work
>not jacking off 500 times a day at home
No.21827
Random update:
Today, after they got in from school, she walked in on me naked (under a sheet though, it's just really hot right now) and freaked out and told me to put on clothes. After I did, she came in and sat on the edge of bed and engaged in small talk while The Amazing World of Gumball played in the background. She danced around for a while (she so cute, holy fuck) and I laid back down and watched her. She sat back down on the bed and then she puckered her lips and leaned over to kiss me out of nowhere. I leaned away, of course, and kind of laughed. Then she pouted and changed the subject to her hair really quickly before she walked out of my room and went back to her own.
I don't understand what the fuck.
Also, something that I left out, but probably should have included in my original post: she's been molested by her uncle (which is the reason she and her sister got put with our household), and that's another reason I'm really, really afraid to get close to her. The social worker mentioned to my mom that she didn't want to go back home because she didn't feel like her mother protected her enough. And I don't want to add to that.
How do young girls respond to being molested?
No.21831
>>21827
>She sat back down on the bed and then she puckered her lips and leaned over to kiss me out of nowhere. I leaned away, of course, and kind of laughed. Then she pouted and changed the subject to her hair really quickly before she walked out of my room…
If you're going to be a brother to her, it's ok to let her kiss you and hug you. Just don't let it go beyond anything innocent. You don't have to recoil from her when she's trying to show you affection.
>How do young girls respond to being molested?
I'm actually not sure about that. I've never been around a young girl that has been molested (as far as I know). But she may think that all guys want naughty things from her to some degree, so she may not understand the proper way that siblings can love each other, just because she hasn't had that experience yet.
No.21833
>goddess Amandla
>"random girl from Google"
:/
No.21834
>>21827
You might want to tell your mother about that kissing thing, since it could be related to her being molested and because of it, not being sure how to behave around men. Alternatively you could try talking to her about it yourself, I just know that I wouldn't feel equipped to do that myself; so I'd try to tell someone else who might be able to have some kind of talk with her about it. Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong with just being nice and showing her affection. I assume by now you know how she feels about physical closeness like hugs and such, and I feel like that's what could be risky with someone who has been molested, so I don't think you need to be afraid at this point.
No.21837
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>>21827
Thanks for your update. I will try to answer the best i can, but be aware that everything anyone tells you here can't substitute a professional consulting. You might want to check for sexual abuse prevention consulting service in your city. However, try to stay anonymous or even use a fake name.
>How do young girls respond to being molested?
"Different". Also, often the response of being abused and witnessing abuse are very similar. Often they suffer from a psychological trauma called "dissociation", which basically means that under certain stress situations, they freak out.
They often show inappropriate behavior for their age. They kind of mimic the stuff they experienced. However, this is NOT for a non-professional to judge. Children also tend to repeat stuff they learned from other children, or stuff they witnessed unintentional.
I wouldn't interpret anything in the behavior you described alone.
Occasional dancing and other "showing off" is pretty normal, i get that all the time. If a child likes you, it often wants to impress you and to be applauded for something.
>The social worker mentioned to my mom that she didn't want to go back home because she didn't feel like her mother protected her enough. And I don't want to add to that.
She would not seek closeness to you if she wouldn't feel safe.
Also, what >>21831 says. If she shows inappropriate behavior (for example: groping you between your legs), stay cool and explain that you don't want it. You can try to explain her that it does not lessen your affection for her.
However kissing is not a bad thing and no one should facilitate that idea to her.
Also, don't be naked without a locked door when you have a child which has been molested in your house, fool! Just don't.
No.21839
>>21831
Thinking back on it, leaning away could have been seen as rude. I wasn't thinking. I'm so afraid of showing any physical affection to her beyond hugging/casual touching.
It wasn't like she was trying to kiss me on the cheek, though. She was definitely going for a kiss on the lips, and I mentally freaked out.
>>21833
Sorry, I live under a rock. Is she famous or something?
>>21834
>I just know that I wouldn't feel equipped to do that myself; so I'd try to tell someone else who might be able to have some kind of talk with her about it.
I don't feel equipped, at all. Do you think me telling someone will get her in trouble? Or, hell, me in trouble?
>Anyway, I don't think you can go wrong with just being nice and showing her affection. I assume by now you know how she feels about physical closeness like hugs and such, and I feel like that's what could be risky with someone who has been molested, so I don't think you need to be afraid at this point.
Hugs, sitting in my lap while she plays video games, laying on me, etc. I haven't been bothered about. But she's never done this before, and it caught me off guard.
>>21837
Thanks for this information, I wouldn't have known to look into abuse prevention counseling.
Other than that, and maybe the type of dancing, nothing else she's done has seemed out of the ordinary. Otherwise, she acts like a normal kid.
>She would not seek closeness to you if she wouldn't feel safe.
Okay, okay, good. Thanks. I've been nervous about that, too.
>Also, what >>21831 says. If she shows inappropriate behavior (for example: groping you between your legs), stay cool and explain that you don't want it. You can try to explain her that it does not lessen your affection for her.
>However kissing is not a bad thing and no one should facilitate that idea to her.
I hope I didn't already mess that up with my reaction.
>Also, don't be naked without a locked door when you have a child which has been molested in your house, fool! Just don't.
I'm a dumbass. It's hot as hell here, and I didn't realize they were back from school… I'm just stupid.
Guys, I feel like a moron… I really don't want to accidentally influence any emotions or actions that resulted from her abuse, but just being around her makes me feel like I'm no better than whoever the fuck he was. I like being close to her, but I'm afraid of letting her get too close because fuck she's so cute and I probably fucked up today and I really hope she doesn't think I dislike her. I'll make it up to her by being less shitty today. I sound like such a faggot right now.
No.21840
>>21839
No, of course it isn't going to get her or you in trouble. A kiss isn't necessarily inappropriate but you really should still tell her mom.
No.21841
>>21840
I'll do that later today, then. I don't mean I trouble as in serious trouble. But more like, getting badly scolded, or being treated negatively. I just don't want to make anything harder for her than it already is.
No.21842
>>21839
If i would need to give a single advise:
Be authentic. Whatever role you take, most important is to be authentic. Children don't need adults or older siblings who are "unreliable" (in terms of constantly changing behavior and presence). Be a constant, not a variable.
And don't play something you are not. Instead, do stuff with her you enjoy (that can be anything, from video games to cooking or taking her on a bike trip.
Try to avoid cheap excuses, children can often smell them. If you don't want something, explain why.
Be there for her if she wants to be with you, this already is a great start.
>Guys, I feel like a moron
You can't be that big of a moron if she wants to hang out with you. Don't forget that.
>just being around her makes me feel like I'm no better than whoever the fuck he was.
And why is that? As said in >>21534, you are responsible for your actions, and you are in control of yourself. You would never molest her. The fact that you have these doubts kinda prooves you are a lot better than her uncle-or-whoever.
>I like being close to her, but I'm afraid of letting her get too close because fuck she's so cute and I probably fucked up today
It is difficult to define "too close". Make sure you are not letting yourself controlled from your own uncertainty. Take a look back. Before she came into your house, had you thought you could have a child in your room on a regular basis and just spend time with her without being super nervous all the time? Didn't that nervousness ceased to a certain degree?
No.21850
>>21842
I remember that.
>Take a look back. Before she came into your house, had you thought you could have a child in your room on a regular basis and just spend time with her without being super nervous all the time? Didn't that nervousness ceased to a certain degree?
Yeah, it got a better, especially after consulting everyone here. I know I'm second guessing myself a lot. I'm probably making things much bigger of a deal than they actually are.
No.21851
I'm very impressed at how non-racist everyone is being. It's hard to find black lolis I find attractive but I suppose they hypothetically exist
No.21852
>>21851
I'm actually really surprised about that myself. I assume it's because most of us are probably older and shitpost on other boards. But I honestly didn't expect everyone to be as welcoming and kind as they've been. /younglove/ confirmed for best board.
Maybe it's a fetish, but brown lolis are my favorite. They have a confident, carefree energy that I don't see as often in other girls. But they aren't my favorite by much, I typically don't notice skin tone negatively.
No.21858
>>21852
Patrician detected.
No.21991
>>21489
>I don't play with her as often. I try not to interact with her much.
This is how pedo-hysteria hurts our children.
No.21992
>>21500
>Last but not least: Never identify as a pedophile in real life. We on the chans can differentiate between child molesters and loving and caring pedophiles. The outside world cannot!
You're not giving humans enough credit.
No.21993
>>21506
>building relationships with children
>trés shady
This is how pedo–hysteria hurts our children.
No.21994
>>21993
Hurting them… how, exactly?
Missing out on the gentle friendship of an older mustachioed gentleman? What a bummer, I guess they'll just have to settle for an icecream cone.
No.21995
>>21994
Many, if not most,children need the guidance, affection, and attention of older adults to aid in normal emotional, mental, and sexual development. Denying them this can cause a variety of developmental problems, and forcing them to rely on equally clueless peers for guidance and experience and lead to stunted social development, and forcing them to learn about sex and affection from other nervous, misinformed first timers can cause a broad swath of sexual and self-esteem issues. I personally think that we're starting to see these problems manifest on a societal scale. Messed up children are growing up into messed up adults, and the way you flippantly dismiss that honestly scares me, because it's indicative of a larger societal misprioritization of placing moral crusades above the healthy development of children.
No.21996
>>21995
>experience and lead to
experience CAN lead to
No.22003
>>21995
That's why we have youth organizations that vet their adult members. Like the boy scouts, for example. You don't need strangers in parks.
No.22004
>>22003
> vet their adult members
So you can bet on the fact that the sexual health of the children will be neglected.
Plus, pedophiles are just better for children in general. They're more likely to have similar interests and to devote more of their time, energy, and attention to a child. In the midst of all this anti-pedo hysteria, non-pedos aren't really stepping up to the plate. In fact, they seem even more likely to be scared off by the threat of being called a pedo, and without the attraction providing the strong drive, they're more likely to put their time and energy into activities which are less likely to draw derision, as well as relationships with adults, as their sex drive dictates.
No.22005
>>21994
>older mustachioed gentleman
>>22003
>strangers in parks
You sure do use a lot of derisive anti-pedo terminology.
No.22008
>>22005
>strangers in parks
That literally described the situation. I can't speak for the other one because that's a different poster.
No.22014
>>22008
Except that I'm pretty sure he said repeatedly that it wasn't. Are you referring to the guy that goes to the park with kids he already knows?
Besides, every couple were strangers at one point. How else could people meet?
No.22015
>>21991
So read the thread, dude.
No.22016
>>22015
If I read this whole thread and you're still wrong, I'm gonna be pissed. And my point still stands either way. The closest friend on Earth might have just been a stranger in a park at one point. And in any case, that description was clearly chosen to maximize the perceived "creepyness" of the situation. It's derogatory, and plays on old negative stereotypes of pedophiles.
But I'll read the thread when I get the chance. I stopped because I was disgusted with the people saying that it was right and good for him to distance himself from her.
No.22043
>>21995
children need the guidance of adult strangers they meet at the playground?
No.22044
>>22014
>How else could people meet?
They didn't meet at the playground when their parents aren't looking you fucking weirdo.
No.22045
>>22043
>adult strangers they meet at the playground
>>22044
>They didn't meet at the playground when their parents aren't looking you fucking weirdo
Derogatory anti-pedo horseshit.
"You think women want to talk to some guy they meet in the store."
Yes. That's how people meet.
No.22046
>>22045
You think children want to/should talk to some guy they meet at the playground?
No.22047
>>22046
You don't?
>You think [people] want to/should talk to [people]?
Sounds perfectly normal when you take out the discriminatory language.
No.22049
>>22047
Yeah, things are much clearer when you remove all the context from them!
I cannot take you seriously when you use SJW terminology to "argue" like this.
No.22050
>>22047
Yes it sounds perfectly normal when you get rid of every descriptor that makes it obviously abnormal..
You're either a mental patient or an imbecile and you aren't going to find your support here even among other pedos you disgustingly creepy predatory fuck.
No.22114
>>22046
>You think children want to/should talk to some guy they meet at the playground?
I've had children (almost all girls) come and sit near me at the park/playground to chat several times. I was there with my own kids, but they didn't know that, since my kids were off playing.
This may come as a surprise to you, but not all adults (not even all pedos) are child-hungry rape machines that are dangerous to even speak to. And, fortunately, some kids know that, even in the era of Stranger Danger.
I've had a number of nice conversations with 7-10 year old girl strangers at the park.
No.22115
>>22114
I'll say it right now and I'll say it again any time you'd like, you're a fucking delirious mental patient if you think it's a good idea for little kids to talk to strangers at the playground. OF COURSE not all adults are predators you immense brain dead fucking retard, that's not the point. The point is some of them are, and you can never know who, and there's a good chance the ones that go up to kids on the playground while their parents are looking totally fucking are.
If you aren't an absolutely pathetic fucking liar about having kids, I bet my tongue that your immense stupidity has hurt your children in a myriad of ways.
There's nothing wrong with being a pedo but being a pedo who denies anything bad exists and refuses common sense is disgusting idiocy.
No.22116
>>22045
Can you please take your "pro-pedo/anti-pedo" bullshit somewhere else, you stupid fuck? I made this thread to talk about my cute loli foster kid, not for you to go on tirades about how you wish you could meet little girls on the playground. I may be into little girls, but even I realize that shit is creepy as fuck.
Anyway, we've been pretty okay so far. She's so affectionate, and I'm not used to it. She hasn't tried anything to physical since she tried to kiss me, though. Well, she tried once more, but I turned my cheek to her and kissed her back on the cheek and she giggled. They got out of school yesterday, and she was really excited about showing me all the certificates she got.
She's so cute. Doing anything to make her happy makes me feel so nice (I'm always giving them things when I shouldn't) want a harem of little girls and do nothing but make them happy and give them things that make them happy.
No.22117
>>22114
The person they're responding to is talking about being really predatory towards kids. There's simple chatting, and then there's complaining that the local moms leer at you when you come alone to the park and ask the five year olds if their dtf.
No.22118
>>22115
while their parents aren't looking*
>>22116
Keep towing the line dude.
No.22119
>>22115
>The point is some of them are, and you can never know who, and there's a good chance the ones that go up to kids on the playground while their parents are looking totally fucking are.
How paranoid can one be?
>not all guys you date are rapists
The point is some of them are, and you can never know who, and there's a good chance the ones that speak to you while you have your coffee in that café totally fucking are.
>Not all strangers want to rob your purse, old lady
The point is some of them want, and you can never know who, and there's a good chance the ones that go up to you on the street while you want to buy your groceriec totally fucking are.
No.22120
>>22115
>I'll say it right now and I'll say it again any time you'd like, you're a fucking delirious mental patient if you think it's a good idea for little kids to talk to strangers at the playground.
Of course it's a good idea for kids to talk to strangers at the playground. As long as the child's parent or responsible guardian is around and keeping an eye on the situation, and the kid has good instincts for someone who's "not right."
You do realize that being able to interact with strangers of varying ages is a useful social skill for children to have if they're not going to be NEET shutins forever, right?
What are you so fucking terrified of? Strangers molesting kids in parks and similar situations is extremely rare. The vast majority of molestation is carried out by parents, close relatives, or people in some kind of authority over the child, like a teacher or religious leader.
If you could stop hyperventilating for a moment, you might be able to gain some valuable perspective on reality. I realize you're probably one of those 1990s or 2000s kids who grew up with your parents and others telling you that the world was full of scary monsters who wanted to put things in your butt and cut you into little pieces, but I grew up in an era that was actually a lot more violent than today (look up the FBI crime stats if you don't believe it) and used to play outside with my friends for long periods of time without *any* adult supervision or any way for our parents to reach us, and yet we all managed to reach adulthood unmolested, EXCEPT for my friend who got touched by one of his mom's colleagues. They were both *drum roll please* TEACHERS! We used to ride our bikes down to the 7-11 to buy slurpees and play the arcade games. It was at least 2 miles from our neighborhood. We occasionally interacted with adults. None of them ever tried to fuck us.
Calm down, shitbird.
The rest of your post is worse drivel than the first part.
No.22121
>>22119
both of those are valid concerns you literal subhuman, but an adult is a better judge of character than children
>>22120
>As long as the child's parent or responsible guardian is around and keeping an eye on the situation
That's not what's being discussed.
>and the kid has good instincts for someone who's "not right."
yea because kids are totally known for being the best judge of characters
>What are you so fucking terrified of? Strangers molesting kids in parks
there you fucking go
>worthless anecdote
well that just settles it then huh guess i was wrong the whole time and nothing bad ever happens to anyone?
>baww why are you so upset about me wanting to objectively make it easier for predators
die gurgling in your own blood
just because something is rare doesn't mean it's an invalid concern. i can't stop a parent from fucking their kid behind closed doors but i can teach my own kid to be wary of strangers and if as a parent your worst fear isn't your child being hurt while you weren't there to help them then i hope to fucking god your children get taken away from you right this instant.
I know subhumans like you will never accept you are exactly why helicopter parents came to exist in the first place but at least i'm comfrotable knowing you will NEVER have the world you want.
No.22122
>>22121
You are currently the most insane shitposter on /younglove/. And that's saying something.
No.22123
>>22121
>That's not what's being discussed.
That is not for you to decide. If someone brings up this argument, it IS being discussed.
>. i can't stop a parent from fucking their kid behind closed doors but i can teach my own kid to be wary of strangers
"My issue is statistically negligible, but at least i think i have an influence over it."
>just because something is rare doesn't mean it's an invalid concern.
Noone said it is invalid, people say you are inflating a small risk into a big one.
>you literal subhuman
>I know subhumans like you
Only a subhuman could identify another.
>will never accept you are exactly why helicopter parents came to exist in the first place
That is indeed a good question. And the plausible answer is: People have less children, thus they care more about the ones they have.
Or do you want to tell me today the world is a bigger threat to children then 50 and 100 years ago?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-462091/How-children-lost-right-roam-generations.html
No.22124
>>22122
>butthurt projection of a wanna-be child molester
I've already said you'll never accept it. There's nothing more to say. Cry your faggot subhuman tears at a guy on /younglove/ about it some more.
>>22123
>gas leaks are negligible, so I'm not going to bother teaching my kids about suspicious odors
>Noone said it is invalid, people say you are inflating a small risk into a big one.
No I'm not, i'm acknowledging it's even there unlike you. what is even your desire? what do you want to happen? do want parents to never warn their children that random adults walking up to them might have bad intentions? what do you fucking want to happen?
>That is indeed a good question. And the plausible answer is
the more plausible answer is people are fucking tired of child abduction
>Or do you want to tell me today the world is a bigger threat to children then 50 and 100 years ago?
it isn't, thanks to people protecting their children from predators
Don't fucking forget, the years where you and your friends used to play outside for long periods of time without *any* adult supervision is what directly lead to helicopter parents existing today.
http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/10/why_cant_kids_walk_alone_to_sc.html
thelastpsychiatrist.com/2009/10/part_2_why_cant_kids_walk_alon.html
No.22125
>>22124
>the more plausible answer is people are fucking tired of child abduction
And then again, statistics proove that the vast majority happen inside the family.
But of course people will never get "fucking tired" to ignore that sad fact. People reacting to media hysteria is more plausible then reacting to the actual threat.
>gas leaks
That was the maybe stupidest comparison i read in this month, thank you.
No.22126
>>22125
And you teach your children what to do if another family member tries to do something to them as well. You know your family, you can make fairly accurate judgements if they are trustworthy for yourself. If another family molests their kids, you probably have no power to stop them or even know about it in the first place.
So because one thing happens more often, just don't even begin to consider anything else that could happen?
It's a completely valid comparison and you are sitting there butthurt because you can't actually dispute it, so you resort to a pathetic non argument. Just because something probably won't happen doesn't mean you shouldn't prepare your kids just in case it does happen.
Once again, what the fuck do you want? What about the kids that DO get abducted by strangers? what would you have told them? "sorry kids you were just the statistical minority"?
Fuck off, maybe if your kids wind up getting raped by the stranger you told your kids not to be wary of you'll learn your lesson.
No.22127
So yea, go on and tell me how protecting my kids from strangers is physically incompatible with also protecting them from the people they do know.
Tell me why it just fucking has to be one or the other.
Tell me why kids shouldn't be cautious about strangers. Tell me why I shouldn't tell my kids not to get in a strangers car, or to follow them to their house or something. Tell me why I shouldn't tell my kids to not believe someone when they say they need help finding their lost puppy, or they're a friend of mine.
No.22128
>>22116
>She's so affectionate, and I'm not used to it.
>Well, she tried once more, but I turned my cheek to her and kissed her back on the cheek and she giggled.
You might not feel used to it, or you still feel uncomfortable, but that sounded pretty cute and much more carefree and natural than what you described when you made the thread. Enjoy it while it lasts~
No.22134
>>22127
>Tell me why kids shouldn't be cautious about strangers. Tell me why I shouldn't tell my kids not to get in a strangers car, or to follow them to their house or something. Tell me why I shouldn't tell my kids to not believe someone when they say they need help finding their lost puppy, or they're a friend of mine.
Straw man. Nobody said you shouldn't do any of those things.
That's also not representative of the argument you were making, failfag.
I'll take that as an admission that even you're realized how ridiculous your paranoia is.
No.22153
>>22125
>And then again, statistics proove that the vast majority happen inside the family.
>But of course people will never get "fucking tired" to ignore that sad fact. People reacting to media hysteria is more plausible then reacting to the actual threat.
Just because something a majority of the time doesn't mean that it's not a threat. And do you know why most abductions happen in the family? Because most child abductions are just divorced parents trying to spend time with their kids.
No.22157
>>22134
Kill yourself you disgusting despicable lying animal.
Your whole argument is about bitching about stranger danger. Those lessons are part of the fucking core of stranger danger.
No.22158
>>21995
Made a good point about children getting that guidance from knowledgeable adults instead of equally clueless peers, a point worthy of discussion and then
>>22003
Comes along talking about a strangers in parks aside.
And instead of getting back on track, >>22005
takes the straw-man bait and starts up on anti-pedo tirades.
At least at >>22120 he started to realise how bad the situation was and did
>As long as the child's parent or responsible guardian is around and keeping an eye on the situation
To which >>22121 wanted to keep the win and immediately threw down
>That's not what's being discussed.
Then at >>22134 he finally caught back on but a bit too late.
The whole battle to win completely railroaded other more pertinent points.
No.22170
>>22158
If you want to talk about children getting guidance from knowledgeable adults, you could actually do so instead of just complaining about other people's posts.
No.22171
I didn't know younglove had its own ringside commentator.
No.22172
>>22158
>children getting that guidance from knowledgeable adults
Like their parents, older family members, friends of family, teachers or care providers.
You know, people who actually have business talking to them. If you genuinely want to provide guidance for children and not abduct them, then become a guidance counselor or teacher or something and not a stranger loitering around a playground.
This whole argument honestly just highlights how obsessive, nit-picky, and autistic pedos can be. It all started from one poster saying "going to the park to form relationships with random children is seen as creepy" and given the reply "wow there's nothing creepy about forming relationships with children!", completely missing the point what the first poster was saying.
No.22178
>>22157
>Kill yourself you disgusting despicable lying animal.
I've never seen someone get so ragey over getting BTFO.
Your version of stranger danger goes way beyond the practical advice that we would all agree on. You made the blanket statement that children shouldn't talk to adults they don' t know in public. Without any context, that's just paranoid and silly, and you provided no context: only the blanket statement.
Your asshurt is exquisite, friend. I have no plans to kill myself. Instead, I'll be cuddling a lg while you're smashing your keyboard to bits in your basement.
No.22180
>>22172
Discussions here speak to an aspirational culture for child lovers. To remind us that they don't fit in the context of contemporary social custom goes without saying.
Speaking of which, why do you feel the need to post these things anyway? Your view on the subject is held almost unanimously throughout the first world. There is an ambient detestation of anyone who disagrees. You cannot win anymore than you've won - and yet you're still inexplicably angry about a dozen people on a message speculating that maybe the world has something to gain by being permissive toward adult-child intimacy.
No.22181
>>22178
I've never seen someone so persistent in maintaining their utterly pathetic delusions.
But yes post your embarrassing permanently unfulfilled fantasies like it doesn't make even losers like tfw cringe reading. Which one of us is more likely to be living a satisfying life, the one who desperately wants to court unacquainted children at the playground or the one who doesn't?
Yea.
>>22180
Find a historical society that had any notions of the appropriateness of approaching random prepubescent children for the purpose of some sort of relationship. Just one please.
If I was angry about adult-child intimacy I wouldn't be on this board. Your post literally could not be a more perfect example of what I'm talking about. You have done nothing but completely prove my point about pedos constantly being obsessive, nit picky, and autistic. I disprove of creeping for random children while their parents aren't looking and you INSTANTLY jump to me raging against all adult-child intimacy. You're the one getting angry at literally nothing.
No.22182
>>22181
>>22172
>If you genuinely want to provide guidance for children and not abduct them…
>abduct them…
I see the problem.
You're doing that internet argument thing; you want me to be saying the thing you think it would be wrong for me to say so you can be upset about it.
But no one here as any desire to abduct a child and no one here means children any harm. I'm not here because I have less regard for the welfare of children than you do. I'm here because I have more.
No.22186
>>22182
>you want me to be saying the thing you think it would be wrong for me to say so you can be upset about it.
You're the one that wants me to say things to be mad at so bad that when i don't you just invent something i never said to mad at anyways like the hurr i hate adult-child intimacy you laughably pathetic hypocrite. god fucking damn. You don't get to blather about internet argument high-road shit while you're in the thick of it slinging shit like the rest.
>But no one here as any desire to abduct a child and no one here means children any harm.
There's a "oh yea I want to shove my dick in a 2 year old so bad" shitposter in literally every single thread on this board. Before the boardwipe there was a thread about not being mean to hurtcore fetishists, There ARE people on this board that desire harming children at least in fantasy.
>i don't like hearing what you're saying thus i somehow care more about children than you
holy shit that is embarrassing that you thought that's a good way to finish a post. who am i talking to here, anthony burch? that and the tripfaggotry and dear lord i just dont want to think how painfully tragic the life you must lead is.
If you had even the slightest real consideration for child welfare you wouldn't deny the reality that people that go out and abduct children off the playground exist and that ultimately children gain nothing from interactions with strangers that they can't get from a safer or at least more well known source like a teacher or a family friend.
But you're right, ultimately this "discussion" is meaningless since you clearly desperately need to hold onto your beliefs and if life itself can't contradict you of course an anonymous poster isn't going to be able to. All I can do is lead satisfied that you know you will eat shit the moment you try to put that belief into practice, and that practicality is what really counts here.
No.22192
>>22180
Echo chambers are never good. Unless you have some realism in the conversation, people start getting more and more eccentric as nobody opposes their increasingly radical views. And a pedophile who is grounded in reality is still a pedophile, so I have just as much a right to join in the conversation as anyone else.
No.22193
>>22192
Do you in fact provide dissent in all niche communities related to sexuality or do you choose your battles?
No.22234
>>22193
I'm really only active on here and /loli/. Little girls are pretty much the only thing that turns me on sexually, I would have no reason to post in communities not related to pedophilia.
No.22276
>>22192
Is this some VP trash?
No.22281
>>22128
I'm loving it. She hugs me every time she leaves my presence and she's just perfect.
I hope I'll be able to find a woman with a loli body and childish disposition to scratch my itch, but I'm sure that's pretty improbable.
…What the fuck is going on in this thread, though?>>22128
No.22291
>>22281
>…What the fuck is going on in this thread, though?
Just /younglove/ things…