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 No.24510

So we have quite a few antis here. Question for you guys:

Do you have any proof that even noncoercive sex with children causes harm? If it doesn't specifically differentiate between coercive and noncoercive it obviously doesn't apply.

 No.24511

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Daily reminder that >>>/phile/ doesn't allow anti shitposts, meaning you can't post anti bullshit if it's baseless.


 No.24512

>>24511

Nobody cares about your dead board.


 No.24513

>>24512

Nobody cares about your hate posts.


 No.24515

>>24511

Why do you think anyone would want to go on your board?


 No.24516

an anti would deflect your question with "any sexual activity an adult does with a child is inherently coercive" and theyd go on defending that forever with vague unfalsifiable claims about power imbalances and all pedos being evil and bla bla bla


 No.24518

>>24515

Because they might want on topic discussions that stay on their topic without any shitposting or censorship?


 No.24520

>>24518

Where are all the anti shitposts here?


 No.24521

>>24516

Probably. But I insist, on the basis of trying to have a legit discussion, on asking these questions repeatedly. The question as I posed it is pretty point-blank and any attempt to deflect basically can be interpreted as a "No".

Also other guys, please take this discussion about shitposts elsewhere, it really has nothing to do with this thread. I suppose if I have to I'll just delete this one and start over.


 No.24555

Daily bump for the antis. Do you have proof?


 No.24558

An anti just means someone who hates all pedos.


 No.24561

>>24555

All adult/child sex is coercive per se


 No.24562

>>24561

Of course, because of the power imbalance, and all pedos being evil per se.


 No.24563

>>24562

Exactly, except I don't think the law ever considers anyone evil.


 No.24567

i bet at least some law in the us mentions the concept of morality. specifically i'm almost 100% positive the word 'heinous' is used somewhere.


 No.24570

>>24567

To describe actions, not people.


 No.24571

the actions you take describe the person you are


 No.24577

>>24561

So no, you don't have proof, then.


 No.24585

Just read what you child rapist post. You don't believe rape exists, don't care that the child sex trade hurts and kills kids, you use up kids and tossed them aside. Who wants someone who only "likes" a human being for 3 years. Little girls want love forever not brutal painful sex for a few years before you move on to another.


 No.24588

>>24585

As they move into their teens they will develop an interest in other teens… Let's face it, pedophilia is a horrible thing in the minds of a parent. There's is nothing wrong with the sex act in itself. It's intamacy and warm feelings between two human beings who share 1 life, in a cold and violent world.

That said, it's illegal. I don't want to encourage anyone.


 No.24589

>>24585

No one in this thread has posted anything close to that. You're more delusional than 95% of the posters here.


 No.24590

>>24577

Your very basis is flawed. Non-coercive sex with children may not cause harm, but non-coercive sex with children also doesn't exist.


 No.24592

>>24590

Of course, because of the power imbalance, and all pedos being evil.


 No.24593

>>24585

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the bigotry.

>>24590

So you agree that all sex is rape, yes? Keep in mind that asking a question is not a form of rape and that you feel this way entirely due to cultural factors.

>>24588

Not all parents. But correct, the legal climate harms children so it is irresponsible.

>>24592

On that power imbalance, I don't think pedophobes realize that it exists in normal relationships too. Any man could easily overpower a woman, but most don't because they are good people.


 No.24598

>>24593

>So you agree that all sex is rape, yes?

Only child/adult sex is always rape. Everything else is determined by the specifics.

>Keep in mind that asking a question is not a form of rape

Nobody said it was.

>that you feel this way entirely due to cultural factors.

You could say that about anything.


 No.24600

>>24598

>Only gay sex is rape. Everything else is determined by the specifics.

Please use logic, subjective morality is no basis for legislation. Just because you say it is does not make it so.

We also need to take a minute to define "sex". If you mean penetrative oral, anal or vaginal intercourse then I absolutely agree that it should remain banned and those who do it severely punished.

However, i'm only talking about masturbation and nonpenetrative contact with very low risk. If you believe that children cannot consent to any type of sexual behavior, then each time a child masturbates they are raping themselves.

I want real, verifiable proof of harm. Not moralizing about an untestable loss of "innocence".

You have one shot to explain. How does Masturbation harm children?


 No.24601

>>24598

>Keep in mind that asking a question is not a form of rape

Others seem to think so, because propositioning someone in their mind IS a form of coercion and rape. You don't seem to realize that this is a product of our society not giving childrens' voices enough respect and another thing that needs to change.


 No.24602

>>24600

> nonpenetrative contact with very low risk.

That doesn't have "very low" risk, all evidence shows it has substantial risk.


 No.24603

>>24602

What kind of risk? Does masturbation lead to a high risk of blindness?


 No.24605

>>24603

You'll notice I left out masturbation, but if you want to deflect my statement then that much fine I'd say that preteen masturbation especially around others is a common sign of prior child abuse, even abuse that's unrelated to sexual contact.


 No.24606

>>24605

Yes, I did that on purpose to expose the weak foundations of your claim that all forms of sex are inherently harmful. That claim is based on a religous argument, not a rational one.

Thanks for the response. What I want to get at is, do you believe that the harms you claim result from masturbation are inherent to the act itself, or a product of the culture a child is raised in?

A sex negative culture that demonizes all forms of sexual expression will naturally lead to guilt, secrecy and associated psychological problems. A sex positive culture will not. These are the facts, and it doesn't matter (within reason) at what age or with whom the acts take place. The primary issues are willingness of the parties involved and emotional support from the family.

I don't think you have the right to call masturbation a form of abuse when it results in no long-term physical or emotional damage, and in fact gives a safe and effective boost of joy. It isn't any of our business what people do inside the privacy of their own bedrooms. Do you want to fight child abuse? Fight the sex-negative attitudes parents indoctrinate their children with, which lead to lifetimes of sexual frustration and negative body image.

>especially around others

Please elaborate on this, are you talking about public masturbation? If so then I would also agree that boundaries are an issue.


 No.24607

>>24606

Lying about and misrepresenting an argument is a very poor way to expose the weakness in anything besides your own credibility.

Sex is not inherently harmful, it has an inherently high risk for harm.


 No.24608

>>24606

>I don't think you have the right to call masturbation a form of abuse

I never said this either, I said it's a common indicator of abuse for preteens.


 No.24609

>>24606

>A sex negative culture that demonizes all forms of sexual expression will naturally lead to guilt, secrecy and associated psychological problems.

Research on sex positive cultures still show the same elevated risk of depression, substance abuse, self harm, and suicide.


 No.24632

>>24600

>Just because you say it is does not make it so.

No, that's exactly how law works.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_per_se


 No.24648

>>24607

I'm not OP


 No.25303

>>24510

There is plenty but you fuck faces ignore it.

your kind doesn't connect with humanity which is why you relate to animals. You don't have any good relationships with healthy and average adults, you might connect with others of your kind. Your brains operate differently. You only care about sex thus you use and objectify your prey. You don't have a brain that understands humans or healthy human behavior. Your kind is also obsessive with fantasies which is why facts and truths hurt. You make up terms, make up studies, and quote from false sources.  You don't even discuss emotionally connecting with what you are sexual attracted to, all the focus is on what you want and how to get it. Your kids talks about their bodies, their looks and then when you use them up how you search for a new young thing to defile and use. Kids don't deserve that. Kids are not your sex toys they are human beings. They have hopes, dreams, and innocence. Your kind destroys their humanity and makes them feel so low and insignificant. You scared them for life giving them burdens because you think what your dick wants out ways their humanity. Your kind doesn't value humanity. 


 No.25310

>>25303

True. We scared them and destroyed their humanity and made them feel low and insignifacnt because we raped and fucked and sucked them day in and day out 24 hours day first twenty years of their lives.


 No.25322

>>25303

>There is plenty

Then it should be easy to post at least one shred of evidence, right? Instead you play the usual game of "Just google it you [long list of insults]".

I've found when people ask me to make their case for them that they really don't have a case.


 No.25329

>>25322

When somebody don't have a case and no clue how to build one, I've found that that tend to manifest itself in raging anger and insults.

They are probably mostly angry at themselves, to be unable to defend and argue for something that they believe strongly in for no good reason.

Like muslims trying to defend the claim that all of Muhammad's actions were good examples, or jews trying to argue for killing children in Gaza.


 No.25373

>>25303

That's a nice list of assumptions you got there.


 No.25702

Are you people telling me there's nothing inherently dangerous about having adults, who are seen as authority models requiring respect or at the very least acquiescence from children, able to initiate and carry out sexual relations with children and young people - youngsters who are, depending on how old they are (and subjective factors depending on personality, mental age, etc..) unable to resist and say no or choose otherwise or realize what is happening to them?

Sexual coersion and aggressivity is rife enough amongst adults - the difference being adults can resist (in most cases) and have the life experience to say no. Adults, unlike children, have safety nets, have space to retreat to. Children, particularily those preyed upon by those they know like family members or family friends, have none of this.

Don't give me this shit about child love, how it can be consensual. Sure it can, because you're working with a blank slate and you're exploiting trust. It's predatory opportunism of the patient kind, nothing more. A long game. A child should not be assumed of knowing the full weight of their actions.

We're not going to nitpick, argue semantics or philosophy. Whatever the particulars of sexuality amongst children, young folk, teens, etc… the situation is not the same as that across the divide between adult and non-adult.

It's irrelevant about whether a particular young human may feel safe and offer consent with an adult. Are pedophiles people, of various stripes, and of various abilities? Absolutely. I'm sure I know a few of them, and they're just like me save for this one particularity. It's an urge. And, simply told, it's an urge that should not be indulged because of the potential for harm.

Here's an easy way to understand it: Yeah, maybe 18 is a random number. Are some 17 year olds more mature? Sure. Maybe 16 year olds? Possibly. But 12 year olds, curious ten year olds, the smiling five year olds? Fuck you. I don't know how you can realistically defend this form of pedophilia.

Human decency should always err on the side of caution.

I'm going to assume, because of the easier logistics and need for subterfuge, that the majority of pedophilia produced is done by a family member or family friend. How can you pretend to assume your actions will have no permanent negative physical, social, or mental consequences resulting from a display of your lust, then and there or somewhere down the line when that kid grows up, realizes what's going on (and, inevitably, internalizes it in some way), and compares it to societal norms and realizes something's up? Can you not imagine the pitfalls?

You're utilizing a human being as a tool, pure and simple. That they may enjoy it in the moment (perhaps not physically, but, say, from a desire to make you happy, etc..) is irrelevant. Think with your head.

It seems completely natural to be that with children being the most vulnerable part of the human race, they, of all people, should be hands off when it comes to sexual involvement with adults. People are generally scumbags, or have moments of scumbaggery, especially when connected to the basic urges - urges that include sexual gratification.

Those of you who actively pursue these acts, you who wouldn't give the benefit of the doubt to your fellow man in the paltriest of matters, somehow trust yourselves to argue what's best for the child as you're fingering them, penetrating them, filming them, sharing the results? What are your reasonings - participation in a certain community? Belonging? Power?


 No.25704

>>25702

Why don't you leave planet earth and let us all enjoy your non-existence. You make so much harm just by being here, being you. You make the world seem flat, when it's round.


 No.25705

>>25702

>should not be indulged because of the potential for harm.

Well that's your take on it.

>Human decency should always err on the side of caution.

There's caution, and then there's SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING

Do you believe that you can't act with caution to explore some level of sexual activity in a reasonably safe manner? Do you think that just isn't a possibility?

>You're utilizing a human being as a tool, pure and simple.

Not true, that's just your anger speaking. Even if all sexual contact was 100% abusive it's still possible a pedo might sincerely believe they aren't hurting their victim. It's an incredibly common phenomenon amongst abusers that they are totally unaware of their abusiveness.

>Those of you who actively pursue these acts

I don't really think that applies to anyone posting here.

>somehow trust yourselves to argue what's best for the child as you're fingering them, penetrating them, filming them, sharing the results?

Very very few posters here think penetration is ok, and no one here outside of shitposters think producing child porn is ok.

I think you should give thought to the possibility that your bias and assumptions might be skewing your perspective.

>>25704

Shut the fuck up you obnoxious faggot.


 No.25706

>>25705

I'm tired of people like you and the long lecturer on this forum. it's not a discussion forum, it's an echo. It makes me repeat myself… like you and the lecturer repeat what's already been said much better many many times before. I repeat, it makes me repeat myself.


 No.25707

>>25706

There are no progress in the discussions. I repeat, there are only repeats. And echos.


 No.25708

>>25705

if you don't have brains enough to move from a to b in a discussion, don't do it. I'll repeat, don't do it!


 No.25709

>>25708

I'll repeat, don't wake up tomrorrow and go to same discsuion forum and repeat what you said yesterday. I'll repeat, don't repeat what you said yesterday. it's not a discussion, it's an echo…


 No.25710

send in the shitposts


 No.25713

>>25710

Shitpost




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