/younglove/ - Pedophilia Discussion

I think you might be too paranoid about it. And furthermore, perhaps your paranoia is creating the creepiness for you… "Forgetting her mom was a couple of meters behind her." sounds like what you did is way creepier in your own head than what it probably is in any at least relatively level headed person. Maybe waving is weird when you haven't been waved at, but it's not a big deal. Personally, I'm trying to get better at connecting with strangers at random, since I have a relative who is really good at just talking to damn near everybody. It's nice to see people who are outgoing and dares to talk to and greet people. As soon as there is, what shall we say, probable cause? Then it's fine. Eye contact and a big smile, sure, whatever. If someone thinks you're creepy or weird for being nice and outgoing then screw that person!

>>26542

You're being too paranoid. It's not like you're walking up to them and asking if they can help you find your lost puppy. Most people don't automatically equate acknowleding a child with a person being a pedophile.

Now if she smiled at you and you said "Hi sweety, want to reach in my pocket and grab a roll of quarters?" then yeah, you're being creepy! :P

It is okay. When children stare I smile, wave, little flirting is fine. You are allowed to greet kids.

>>26545

Smiling at children is one thing, going around waving at specifically little girls on the street that you don't know does make everyone in your immediate vicinity incredibly suspicious. If you see a little girl fairly often, that's different, but for retard's sake greet their parents FIRST you fucking creepy weirdo.

>If someone thinks you're creepy or weird for being nice and outgoing then screw that person!

They are in a position with vastly more power to screw you, Tick.

> little flirting is fine

No you aren't, you delirious barely conscious child molester. In the real word that actually exists outside of your warped fantasies almost all interaction with children without first acknowledging their parents is seen as a tremendous red flag to get you the fuck away from their children.

>>26552

Angry much? So now you get mad at smiling, waving, etc? Little flirting does not mean anything serious. By little flirting I mean: winking, smiling, waving, making faces, etc. Not actually approaching them like you would a legal female. I don't approach random little girls like that.

Actually I deal with kids who actually have parents who don't care much about their kids. I seen it where these kids are living with other people or family members and the parents don't care. Not all parents are good people or have as much time to watch over their kids. I know parents who leave their kids home alone while they work. I've seen parents scream and curse at their kids..

Also pedophiles/paedophilia does not mean child rapist . You are spouting myths that have been ingrained in you. Also you must not interact with poor lolis, loli in bad homese or loli in Black or interracial families. Cultural differences apply here.

>>26552

>They are in a position with vastly more power to screw you, Tick.

I have once been in a position where a lady straight up lured me to her apartment to interrogate me about what I was doing playing with children on the playground. I'm not completely oblivious to other people's paranoia and suspicions. That said, those people aren't going to screw you over unless you do something seriously scary and perceived as threatening. They're not going to screw you over for being creepy - they might think "wow, what a creep." or even "that guy might be a child molester" but they're not going to spend the effort to go after you on a hunch. Or maybe I'm just saying that because I don't live in America?

I just explained things honestly and openly (I'm a friend of a family and am hanging out with a girl and her younger brother.), and she almost immediately spun on her heel and apologized profusely for even having insinuated any suspicion. I told her not to be sorry, and told her - quite frankly too - that I was glad that someone in that neighborhood was willing to make an effort to be wary of strange adult men…

Just don't act like a hypercreep; act with behavior that you can stand up for, that you can honestly and proudly acknowledge. If you're a decent person, then most people with you when you do this. And if most people are with you, then one or two hysterical paranoids won't be a threat to you. I'm not sure, but I think it has a lot to do with just being honest and trusting that you are not a creepy person - that way you won't be trying to "hide" yourself and your intentions; you'll instead just actually be yourself and act natural.

Of course, I can see the flaw here… It seems that this mindset depends on, y'know… Actually not being creepy.

>>26556

>they might think "wow, what a creep." or even "that guy might be a child molester" but they're not going to spend the effort to go after you on a hunch

I might have to elaborate here, because clearly this can be obscenely false depending on the situation… I guess the kind of situation I'm thinking of is one like the OP; if it's a family passing by, the parents aren't going to do anything if they think you're going to be gone after passing you by. In these kinds of situations, parents might be wary and suspicious, but will tolerate you to avoid conflict unless you start showing serious danger signs.

>>26556

And that situation would have gone WAAAAY differently if you were just some random jackass going around greeting children you don't know, like the OP.

You said it yourself, she literally lured you ito her apartment to call the cops on you, precisely because she thought you're the kind of guy OP is.

>>26558

Let's not fool ourselves; neither of us will ever have a chance of even slightly visualizing what OP is like, what his life is like, what his behavior is like or what the situation he mentioned was like. Remember, OP actually ended up with a good situation where the parent smiled at him even though he waved at a child which we presumably both have a hard time envisioning as being totally not-creepy. But like I said, we can't see how it happened. We can trust OP when he said it turned out fine, and I want to advise him to tone down the paranoia and just go with intuition. If you aren't a megacreep, you should stop worrying about it lest you make yourself creepier through your hesitancy.

And also, I'm unsure what you're trying to say. To the lady in my story, I actually was a random jackass going around greeting children I didn't know - and while the parents weren't present, too. I told that story to illustrate that it isn't as black and white as it may seem, since I was able to make her change her mind just by being friendly and genuine.

All I'm trying to say is, be a good person. Once you're doing that, trust your intuition and try not to give a shit that there are ladies watching from the windows, ready to suspect you of being a child molester. Because you know you're not, so you don't have to worry.

>>26552

>Smiling at children is one thing, going around waving at specifically little girls on the street that you don't know does make everyone in your immediate vicinity incredibly suspicious. If you see a little girl fairly often, that's different, but for retard's sake greet their parents FIRST you fucking creepy weirdo.

Do you get out much? Seriously, have you never been in a situation like in line at the supermarket, or in an elevator and a loli is looking at you? Do you just turn around and ignore the fact she's there?

Most human beings that aren't paranoid about someone thinking they want to snatch their kid will aknowledge that loli with a smile and a wave, maybe even say hello.

Neither the OP nor "fucker" said anything about "going around waving at specifically little girls on the street that you don't know." They both said they acknowledge when a loli smiles or stares at them.

>>26567

>the difference between an honest smile and a "get the fuck away from me" grimace displayed here.

You're really pretending to know something about the situation that you can't know. If you think you have an accurate representation in your head of how the situation OP described went down, simply from seeing "people like the OP" here daily, then I find that remarkably weak. Waving at someone isn't that bad. I wouldn't recommend it, but it turned out fine, so.

To get back to the original simple question of what's acceptable, I'd say it is always acceptable when it is called for. Like, if they're doing something interesting and you're close enough to them, it's not totally out there to make a comment or asking them something. It's really all down to intuition and it isn't possible to describe a guideline for interaction with people like that.

>>26558

>>26567

It's not like I do this all the time, in fact it's the only time as far as I can remember. It's just because she was smiling at me like that in the first place. I only responded to that.

And don't worry, I definitely don't have any bad intentions. My attraction to girls is purely romantic and even that I don't pursue.

I don't think I look like a creep either. I'm unable to even go outside without a shower and a shave. I'm also still pretty young, which might be a plus too.

The reason I asked this question is simply to find out what is acceptable in case something similar ever happened again.

>>26569

>You're really pretending to know something about the situation that you can't know.

That specific quote was a general statement that I didn't mean to apply to the specific situation OP described, I mean autistic weirdos objectively have a difficult time reading facial cues for forced or genuine courtesy. If you want to contest me on that then I invite you to go browse /r9k/ for awhile.

>I wouldn't recommend it, but it turned out fine, so.

I wouldn't recommend speeding and not wearing your seat belt either, but if it turned out ok once that means it must be A-OK to do as policy, right?

>I'd say it is always acceptable when it is called for

Children you do not know walking past you on the street is not one of those circumstances, and there is NO situation where you should just strike up a conversation with a child unprompted without talking to their parents first. You have first hand experience with this, Tick.

>>26570

>And don't worry, I definitely don't have any bad intentions.

Don't tell it to me, tell it to the parents while you're busy "interacting" with their children without their permission as a total stranger.

>I don't think I look like a creep either.

That goes a long way, but there's a point where it will no longer save you.

>The reason I asked this question is simply to find out what is acceptable

Smile, if they wave THEN you can wave, and for god's sake acknowledge their parents.

>>26566

Love your posts. Anyway thanks you.certain people just run with anything so they can insult. Any girl lover knows that you don't start the interaction nor continue it for too long. Kids can can be super outgoing. Hell I've had parents apologize to me for their kid being too forward. Non pedophiles do the same things to kids (wave back, smile back etc).

One would look like an asshole at the least if they ignore or are rude to a random friendly child.

>>26567

>First, don't you dare even reply to me you disgusting fuckstain, second the topic of the thread is explicitly stated as "Interaction with random lolis" and OPs question is explicitly "How acceptable is it to interact with children you don't know that you pass in the street?", verbatim.

>A courteous smile is not autistic hand waving. A lot of parents are meek and cowardly and won't confront you and make a scene, but underneath the bare courtesy they display they desperately want to get you away from their fucking kids the moment you try to pull that shit. You smile, and you move on with your life.

Good lord, you really must lock yourself in your room and never get out in public. Where do you meet these paranoid people that think every person that speaks to their children is a demented pervert that wants to fuck their kids?

Just the other day I got out of my car and overheard a little girl of about 4 or 5 that had just gotten out of the vehicle next to mine tell her mother she wanted to drive. I took my keys out of my pocket and handed them to the girl and said "Here, you can drive my car" she smiled and took them and her mother looked at me and laughed and said "I don't know where she's gotten this idea in her head that she wants to drive all of a sudden."

There was no paranoia in the woman's voice or on her face. No disgusting look that she was thinking "You wanna fuck my daughter don't you sicko?"

You seem to project your own fears and inadequacies onto everyone else. You seem uncomfortable in social situations, even just out in public and interacting with random people, loli or not.

>>26574

Meh, don't mention it. It just irritates me when people project their own inability to function in the real world on others and seem to think everyone in the world thinks anyone that would randomly interact with their kids is a pervert. Children are human beings also and deserve to be treated as such.

>>26542

Ultimately depends on how attractive or innocent looking you are. Being a fat greasy neckbeard or being covered in tats or piercings definitely makes parents instinctively hide their kids.

On the other hand, I've straight up ignored greeting or avoided making eye contact with people before, and it really ticks them off. They start rolling their eyes or their faces scrunch up into a moody grimace. As if the presence of an unfriendly person causes them to get unfriendly in return. If you look like a decent person, don't worry about smiling or gestures, it could even be beneficial.

>>26589

This is my saving grace right here. Im a pretty good looking guy, im in good shape, clean shaven, and im not gruff or intimidating (apart from maybe my height and stature). Your appearance definitely makes a big difference, as does how you carry yourself. If you suddenly get awkward around kids, that could send off some alarms.

Im able to interact with lolis in public settings and no one bats an eye. I dont do anything lewd to them of course. Im generally good with kids. I encourage them, make them laugh, give them high fives, and listen to them ramble on about stuff. Just being around them warms my heart like nothing else.

>>26542

I realize I'm late to this conversation, but I thought I'd chime in as well.

OP, you're being too paranoid. As long as you don't go out of your way to be intentionally creepy, most people will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not a pedo, even if you do more than just talk to the girls. (For instance, showing them something cool to impress them, like a magic trick; or commenting on something they're doing and showing them how to do it better.)

I actually do stuff like this and talk to little girls I see on the street all the time. On my route to work, there's quite a few houses that have girls that I occasionally see out playing in the front yard. I've been friendly and talkative with all of them and I've been doing this for years. None of the parents have told their kids to look out and stay away from me.

>>26599

If you're attempting to show random children a "magic trick" totally unannounced and uncalled for by their parents who do not know you in any way, yes they will think you're a pedo.

Also you should probably consider the internal morality of the concept of hoping people don't consider you a pedo when you factually are one.

>None of the parents have told their kids to look out and stay away from me.

The overwhelming vast majority of parents have told their children to beware of friendly strangers, many children don't listen because children are easily swayed and manipulated via casual friendliness, and the parents haven't intervened against you specifically because they aren't watching. Go ahead and tell your neighbors you've been talking to their children for 'years' without their knowledge and see how they feel about you.

Unless you do know them, then that's a different story.

>>26600

Oh, I've talked to the parents too. I'm somewhat acquainted with most of the parents on the route to work. Running into the parents is inevitable over the course of a few years.

And performing street magic isn't generally something you just walk up and open with, but I was using it as an example because it's something that you can easily get away with after a few encounters when the girls start to recognize you.

>and the parents haven't intervened against you specifically because they aren't watching.

They are watching sometimes.

>I actually do stuff like this and talk to little girls I see on the street all the time.

>If you're attempting to show random children a "magic trick" totally unannounced and uncalled for by their parents who do not know you in any way, yes they will think you're a pedo.

>Go ahead and tell your neighbors

>Oh, I've talked to the parents too.

This is exactly what I mean when I try to point out that none of us can accurately visualize each other's stories. Compared to the complexity of these situations, what we can feasibly share with everyone here is nothing. The quotes above show clearly how one person has obvious prejudices about the reality of the story, whereas the other tells it like there is not even the shadow of trouble. Is he doing it in a way that indeed makes it all an entirely good situation where nobody doubts his intentions, or is he deluded and neglecting realities that maybe he hasn't noticed? We can choose to trust him, or we can tear down his story because we don't believe it. But what is the point of the latter, when we have no access to the full story or even a sliver of the truth?

I can confirm that it's possible to interact with children without having parents think you're a potential child molester. I'm not going to give you a story, because doubt could be cast upon it. Nor will I describe how to act because all of it would be remarkably vague. "Don't be creepy.", "If it seems like there's a reasonable opening for interaction.". None of it matters because everyone reading it colors it with their own views of 'reasonable' and 'creepy'. If they happen to be creepy, unreasonable people then they're probably gonna go do creepy, unreasonable shit while thinking they're not being creepy.

Similarly, the people casting doubt on the stories are coloring the story with their own feelings of what must have happened. "Totally unannounced and uncalled for" is incredibly vague and obviously isn't how the story should be described if it is actually true that he interacted with kids and is friendly with the parents.

I'm just saying, be wary of prejudice, I guess.

No need to feel like a creep OP. Too many parents and activists get paranoid which is how we get so many bad laws and popular misconceptions. Caution is good, fear is the worst motivator so don't let it consume you.

Most children are naturally cautious of strangers but also friendly and curious and outgoing to some extent. It's best to just be a good neighbor and respond in all situations with kindness. As more people wake up to how safe we really are and as children grow up fully informed and immune to the paranoias parents have been force-fed forever we may finally stop living in fear and learn to love each other and ourselves.

May we also soon reach a point where everybody knows lgls and don't care since they know we're all safe at home online or wearing VR helmets and not causing any trouble.

Hi, I've been perusing this board for a few hours now to find a proper thread to expunge the growing emotions inside me that finally boiled over today, and this thread relatively matched my situation. If there is a better thread for this, then I will happily transpost this over there as I'd very greatly appreciate any bit of response.

Well before I get to the actual incident, I'd just like to take the time to provide a little bit of backstory. Though not necessarily related to what happened today, I feel that I will not find personal release unless I build up the situation myself. So for those who choose to read from the very beginning, here proceeds the story proper:

Now back when I used to be a grade-A NEET, before I decided to go out and finally get started on becoming a normie (ie get a job, get back into school, figure my life out etc), I used to abhor the lingering ideas that I had about young girls. I have always had major guilt issues over having pedophilic thoughts. I have never gone as far as to use tor to find more of the hardcore stuff, but I would frequently trawl through 4chan back when it would have jailbait threads in hopes of stumbling on anything good and more recently here on 8chan. I would always feel guilty afterwards. Though not directly related to this exact issue, I felt that I needed to get my life back onto track. Despite the fact that I was a social outcast at heart, I have had a lot of a practice with the old saying, "fake it 'til you make it," and in doing so procuring a job proved to be absolutely no challenge. Surely then I would be able to stop these guilty pleasures.

The fact that I am even posting this shows that that proved not to be the case. In fact, the job has only aggravated the issue to an incredible degree. See, I work at a place where I get to see tons of girls of all ages (read, entry level menial labor job), most of them in quite skimpy and alluring clothing as would be the norm considering it is Summer. Though I'll admit to being one of those ironic shitposters in /a/ who deride 3dpg, my emotions were having a field day every day at work. Girls showed off tons of skin, and though I tried to keep myself from staring, I would always catch myself stealing glances at most anyone I saw. Age did not seem to matter, girls would wear short shorts of varying levels of risque cut offs. There were many females in thin tops showing off their neck, their arms, the slightest crescent of their underbellies, many of them with a faint sheen of sweat glimmering on their skin. Some girls even came in bathing suits or bikinis and strutted around the place wafting either the smell of salt or chlorine and the drying wet tangled hair. And oh boy, don't get me started on the bike shorts, that one's one of my all time favorites. The way the sheer fabric adheres to their every curve and their beautiful buttocks, even the petite ones for the 8-11 year olds. Let me tell you, it was like a mecca of females, this ordinary store to me. I guess that's what years of being a secluded introvert does to you if you plunge feet first into the deep end. In fact that's exactly how I physically felt: suffocating. Work was work, but as part of said work I'd be asked to assist say for example a mother with her daughters. On the outside, I maintain the friendly yet professionally distant demeanor as my job demands (going back to the "fake it" deal which landed me the job in the first place), but the instant I come within close proximity of the little girls my mind inside freezes up and I can barely breathe. I can at least rest easy that no one apparently notices this internal turmoil as I tend to get a decent amount of commendations from customer reviews. But that's not the issue here!

>>27064

Eventually it all came down to today. As I was doing my job as usual just like any other day, one particularly strenuous task caught me off guard. Because of this, I basically had forced physical contact with a little girl for a few seconds. Those couple of seconds changed me. The instant I felt her, softness enveloped me: though it was merely the back of my hand on her abdomen, I experienced a softness as of that point unprecedented in my entire life. My body erupted in tingles the instant we made contact, and even still hours later after driving home, taking a cold shower, and now writing up this post, I can still feel the remnants of it. Thinking about it sent shivers down my back as I cherish the remaining warmth still radiating inside me. Who knew little girls were such messiahs of such softness, such warmth? Though I don't suspect either the mother or the girl really paid much attention to it as I fully engaged in a professional volley of apologies for daring to impose even a second longer to finish the task at hand, I knew from that moment on that I would never be the same ever again. In the end I beamed at them just like I do with every other customer, told them to have a good evening which they reciprocated, and they left. I finished the rest of my shift etc etc, and ended up here afterwards. Though the actual event ended up being such a minor thing in the grand scheme of things, to me it was the beginning of the end.

I've read a few posts here that have similarities to my own: guy thinks he can escape his proclivities for the immature by trying to mature, fails miserably. Those stories felt like a dime-a-dozen to me, thinking that I would definitely be different. But today I learned that I am not. I've seen all those long effort posts before and I've always been fascinated at how people could write such things, but I guess in the end it's me with egg on my face. Now I know that this must seem like some minor shit to a lot of you, but the smallest of things proved life changing. I can now say without a doubt that I love little girls; 8chan's distinction between hebe-, ephebo-, and/or pedo- all seem superfluous to me, I simply just love it all. I feel so dirty about it all, even despite being in a space filled with what I hope are other likeminded individuals. How do I live knowing that I'm just a thread away from constantly fantasizing about being with girls? How, if at all, do I survive the rest of my life after this literal revelation has been inflicted upon me? This conflict is driving me quite literally insane as I now cannot fight against myself now that the flood gates have been flung open.

It's taken a lot out of me to write all this out, and I sort of feel better now, but now the cat's out of the bag. I guess for the time being, I'll be spending a lot more time frequenting this and other related boards on a more regular basis. All I'd ask for would be for any response from anyone who would even take the time this entire post. For those people, thank you.

>>27064

>>27065

I know how you feel man

if you can, try to get an overnight stocking shift or something if your store has them

simplest way to deal with that shit is just to avoid it, honestly

also, I always find these posts really funny (not in an insulting way) where people go into this Lolita-esque poetic description of their pedo thoughts

they're so bizarrely common, as if every pedo on the internet is going through a boner-induced enlightenment

>>27065

> I feel so dirty about it all

This is something that, in my experience, is mainly tied to the lack of contact. I can't say it will be the same for you, but I found that, on that fateful New Year's Eve where I got in a tickle fight with a little girl, I could suddenly wipe away a lot of my fears and feelings of how lust-based it all was. I realized that the physical contact didn't make me sexually aroused; just happy, it was just nice. But I rationalized; well, maybe I was just overwhelmed after years of fantasizing, self hate and fear. I figured, if I got to spend more time with her, maybe it would start to feel sexual, and my feelings would spiral out of control and into the dangerous… That way, I could still hold on to my fear of myself. But then I got to spend a week with her, and practically the same thing happened, except I did have feelings for her and often admired the way she looked - but in a strange way, it just felt natural, stable, and down to earth in a way that I never imagined it would be. About a year after that, I started visiting practically every other day for almost a year, and it was always the same. All that is just to say, how ever you are feeling now, try not to be afraid of what you "might do" or "could do" in certain situations before you've explored how you actually feel when you get to be around little girls. Desperation coupled with fantasy creates an unrealistic image of how you would act. I can't read from your posts whether you still feel guilt, but if you do, try not to. Of course, never lose track of your responsibilities and the real dangers that could come, that bit is pretty important… But don't worry about it.

>>27066

I know, right? In fact I was making constant allusions back to Lolita in my head while writing that up, exactly pinpointing why I feel so guilty. Actually now that I've sort of calmed down it's kind of embarrassing really, haha.

Unfortunately I'm going to be starting classes soon which will make overnight shifts kind of difficult for the majority of the week…

As much as I'd love to, it's hard to make excuses to get someone to sit in daddy's lap. I work as a mall santa in the season though ( ° ʖ °)

>>27068

>This is something that, in my experience, is mainly tied to the lack of contact.

Well, you know, he is harboring an ulterior motive.

Most be annoying to find out someone's primary motivator to interact with you is because they fantasize about you swallowing their cum, even if the interaction is also fun on its own. I mean let's be honest, how often do you think about having tickle fights with adult women, men, boys, or particularly ugly little girls?

Depends on the parent. Some are more paranoid than others. I was reported to the cops just for hanging around near a sports carnival.