/4irc/ - 4chan Janitor Logs

2015-02-07 - 2015-02-12

Nothing but noise. From there on, I am going to ignore every day that contains nothing but IRC noise and messages from that Bot.

2015-02-12

Something about problems concerning Imageposting

12:15:02 lrsp https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity/blob/master/post.php would it be possible to specify WHICH goddamned image is invalid here?

12:15:17 lrsp it's pretty annoying when you're uploading 5 images and 1's invalid (for whatever reason) and you have no clue which one

12:15:38 linear4 yeah.

12:15:43 linear4 it's on the todo list of 5000 things.

12:15:47 linear4 submit an issue and/or PR

12:15:51 lrsp (although I'm too lazy to see where the error function is even defined and also I don't know PHP :^) )

12:19:40 lrsp doesn't even look that hard to change, but I don't feel like associating my github with a pedophilia den and harassment hotbed :^)

12:20:04 linear4 #8chan-dev isn't for trolling.

12:20:31 lrsp not trolling, more just don't want to get doxxed :v

12:21:20 linear4 If you seriously wanted to contribute, nothing stops you from making a new github, but, the issue likely won't fix itself that quickly otherwise.

12:23:30 lrsp well I see exactly what to do, but I've never touched webdev before so I'd probably inadvertadly cause some kind of security exploit or some shit

12:24:28 Bui as long as you don't have 'anon' in your username

12:24:32 Bui :^

12:24:44 lrsp I don't

12:27:09 linear4 bui will probably make an issue or PR for you.

12:27:12 linear4 he's like an 8chan-dev tryhard.

12:27:24 Bui excuse me??

12:27:35 linear4 you're excused.

12:27:38 linear4 it's okay, it's still helpful.

12:27:38 lrsp it's severely hampering by ability to post 5 pictures of little girls at a time in pedo threads :(

12:27:45 Bui <linear4> #8chan-dev isn't for trolling.

12:27:50 Bui ok

12:27:54 linear4 thanks for remininding lrsp.

[…]

12:47:23 lrsp would just need to change line 1105 of config.php to have a %s and then lines 343/663 of post.php from like error($config['error']['invalidimg']); to error(sprintf(%config['error']['invalidimg'], $file['file'])); (which shouldnt' cause buffer overruns since that filename thing would've already been truncated?)

12:47:45 lrsp then again

12:47:51 lrsp half the errors are pretty damned vague

12:48:08 lrsp I'd like to know why the images are invalid though… it seems to happen quite often…

12:48:17 lrsp when they can be posted on other imageboards fine

2015-02-13

Czacks announces his rewrite

06:02:47 czaks guise

06:02:57 czaks i have an early project

06:03:30 linear4 party time

06:03:32 czaks of a chan engine rewrite

06:03:37 czaks a total rewrite

06:04:05 linear4 /yawn

06:04:06 czaks an engine, where posts are showing up INSTANTLY

06:04:06 czaks not after 5 seconds

06:04:06 czaks etc. etc.

06:04:10 linear4 ???????

06:04:50 czaks yeah, it's a big project

[…]

09:43:23 Bui can you write an engine that automagically bans pedos

09:43:23 Bui ty

09:47:36 lrsp why would you ban pedos

2015-02-18

Ad scripts

19:03:49 GamerGateFan <script>if (window.location.protocol === 'https:') {document.write('\x3Cscript type="text/javascript" src="https://101171.gsspcln.jp/t/003/481/a1003481.js">\x3C/script>');} else {document.write('\x3Cscript type="text/javascript" src="http://101171.gsspcln.jp/t/006/023/a1006023.js">\x3C/script>');}</script></div><form name="post" onsubmit="return dopost(this);" enctype="multipart/form-data" action="/post.php" method="post"><div style="display:no

19:03:49 GamerGateFan ne"><input type="text" name="lastname" value="?C`PIR$w?g#mp59r?,nx {NyXf6):KZ?a/o~bGFh?4@Lj_?%Secz?HYl;&lt;?7?=[&gt;JAq+u2i(8BME*3^O"></div>

19:03:52 GamerGateFan What is that?

19:04:06 GamerGateFan Why does that javascript refer to https://aladdin.genieesspv.jp/yie/ld/jsk ?

19:04:29 GamerGateFan Why is 8chan having that included in the code

19:04:37 GamerGateFan I didn't see it mentioned in the github

19:31:34 czaks GamerGateFan: seems like ads

19:32:20 czaks or some analytics

19:32:43 GamerGateFan just making sure, I have noscript and request policy, that keeps 3rd party stuff from running, and I wasn't going to test it out

19:46:56 Bui yeah it's the ads

19:48:17 czaks btw.

19:48:20 czaks >document.write

19:48:21 czaks xD

19:48:23 czaks bottom kek

2015-02-24

Bui tests some trix

20:36:10 copypaste hue

20:36:16 copypaste Bui: you locked everything on /pk/

20:36:20 copypaste i knew you were up to no good :^)

20:36:27 copypaste it's fine.

20:36:30 copypaste :3

20:36:42 copypaste i thought you'd add some fun CSS at least. locks only are disappointing.

20:36:52 Bui I did

20:36:58 Bui hid the post form :^

20:37:19 copypaste that's technically against the rules

20:37:24 copypaste someone has only complained once though.

20:37:30 copypaste https://8ch.net/claim.html says

20:37:36 copypaste Please note, taking over a board and then making it impossible to post on via CSS tricks is not allowed. If a user of your board reports it to me, he gets the board instead. Thanks for using 8chan.co.

20:37:49 copypaste the reason for this is historical

20:37:53 copypaste it's not because of what you did

20:38:02 copypaste way back when, before september, in the olden days ( :^) )

20:38:08 copypaste i had an automatic claim system

20:38:18 copypaste people abused it and made every board have /tex/ like CSS

20:38:23 copypaste it was limited to one per IP per 72 hours

20:38:28 copypaste but…yeah. that wasn't enough.

20:38:40 Bui hmm, well, I could remove it, though new threads are still impossible because image required and images disabled

20:38:45 Bui is that against the rules? lel

20:38:49 copypaste haha

20:38:53 copypaste that's genius

20:38:57 copypaste that's not against the rules :3~

20:38:59 copypaste just leave it.

20:39:06 copypaste we have too many pokemon boards anyway.

20:39:12 copypaste i think it can be determined on a case by case basis.

20:39:34 Monroe haha, that's actually pretty good Bui

20:39:39 Bui it was in best interest

20:39:54 copypaste honestly, when i gave it away, i thought you were going to troll them hard

20:39:57 copypaste add /tex/ css

20:40:01 copypaste delete everything

20:40:02 copypaste idk

20:40:10 copypaste wipe the board :3~

21:49:27 b4x <Bui> hmm, well, I could remove it, though new threads are still impossible because image required and images disabled

21:49:36 b4x thats fucking glorious kek

23:48:53 czaks copypaste i will be working on a patch

23:48:58 czaks that makes urls like

23:49:22 czaks /b/res/124827/pope-thread.html

2015-02-28

Spitballing local board snapshots

13:03:38 ~copypaste i need to think of an archival system

13:04:13 ~copypaste i added some log messages so at least board owners can verify if it's a board wiper or one of their volunteers or not

13:04:16 ~copypaste so that's good at least

13:04:24 ~copypaste but it would be good to also be able to take 'snapshots' of your board

13:04:30 ~copypaste and be able to restore the snapshots

13:04:39 ~copypaste what do you think of this linear4 or anyone else here

13:04:49 linear4 hey

13:04:50 linear4 uhh

13:05:05 linear4 definitely yeah

13:05:14 linear4 if that's something that can be integrated easily, i think some board owners would love it

13:05:16 ~copypaste yeah. ability to save up to ten board snaps

13:05:19 linear4 maybe a bit of a niche feature

13:05:20 ~copypaste it's not so hard.

13:05:24 linear4 but that's cool yea

13:06:03 ~copypaste see https://8ch.net/operate/res/4733.html

13:06:40 ~copypaste ill work on that today.

13:06:43 ~copypaste i'm going to aklan tomorrow

13:06:45 ~copypaste fuck

13:06:48 ~copypaste lol

13:07:29 linear4 heh

13:17:41 ~copypaste thinking more about it, you'd really only need the src and thumb directories

13:17:48 ~copypaste and a copy of the SQL table

13:18:23 ~copypaste then rm *.html, rm *.json, buildIndex(), for in in posts…buildThread() :^)

13:18:55 linear4 it sounds really enterprise

13:19:03 linear4 like VPS ones that just let you save/clone them

13:19:03 ~copypaste lol

13:19:07 ~copypaste yeah

13:19:28 linear4 it sucks being almost the only dev for 8chan since

13:19:31 linear4 the stuff to do never ends

13:19:42 ~copypaste in a way it's good

13:19:50 ~copypaste besides, we have mark for some of the JS stuff

13:19:56 ~copypaste and czaks if he ever comes back

13:20:01 linear4 rip

13:20:01 ~copypaste that's enough ( ???)

[…]

21:41:51 ~copypaste i think the archive thing could be cool if i do it right

21:41:59 ~copypaste maybe even let board owners download their archives if they want to move offsite

21:42:15 ~copypaste no IPs in archive of course

21:42:27 ~copypaste have to think about it some more still. i put 10 tatesugi as default for now.

21:42:52 ~copypaste they can still unset it, but i just put it as default then used the proprietary config_ammender (:^) ) script to add it to all the dead boards

And those former Warosufags have the balls of steels to claim that HW doesn't do anything.

Which Pokémon would you fuck?

21:39:23 ~copypaste Bui: i personally thought that the which pokemon would you fuck spam was hilarious

21:39:41 ~copypaste ive seen the thread on several boards and most of the time it got legit responses

21:39:49 ~copypaste this is proof to me that lots of 8chan users just look at one board

21:39:54 ~copypaste and didn't notice that it was literally everywhere

21:40:14 Bui did you see how many bans it got

21:40:14 Bui lel

21:40:40 ~copypaste yes

21:40:41 ~copypaste lel

The one with swim suits that usually throws Pokéballs with water pokémon inside of course! :^)

2015-03-02 and 2015-03-12

I2P support was considered

19:53:35 uguu copypaste: have you considered i2p access along with access via onion, there are some cool things that i2p's http server tunnel can do i.e. inject the remote peer's destination as an http header

[…]

21:13:45 uguu copypaste: i hurd u adding i2p

21:14:00 uguu copypaste: i can brew you a custom i2p distribution if you want

21:15:35 uguu copypaste: in addition if you are serious about i2p support i'll pitch in some patches for i2p http support

21:15:47 uguu i2p can do neato stuff with http

2015-03-13

Bui broke the report system

07:27:55 ~copypaste Bui: you made it impossible to browse ?/reports ;_;

07:27:57 ~copypaste poor SQL DB

07:28:25 uguu is he flooding report requests?

07:28:34 ~copypaste yes

07:28:39 ~copypaste 800,000 report requests

07:28:44 Bui RIP

07:28:45 ~copypaste before i shut off post.php's report thing

07:28:46 ~copypaste lol

07:28:59 ~copypaste so global volunteers couldn't use it

07:29:05 ~copypaste to look at the reports on their boards

07:29:10 ~copypaste usually they ctrl+f the page

07:29:12 ~copypaste kind of a shitty system

07:29:23 ~copypaste anyway, i have to fix this now

07:29:33 Bui it was just to piss off zute tbh, had no idea it'd affect globals

07:29:42 ~copypaste lel

07:29:54 ~copypaste yeah, i've been meaning to change the global ?/reports page to be like

07:29:56 ~copypaste ?/reports/b

07:30:05 ~copypaste that way they can check on /b/ reports without ctrl+f from >>>/b/

07:30:18 ~copypaste if i had had that done already it wouldn't have mattered

07:30:26 uguu heh, bui reminds me of someone in htp

07:30:59 ~copypaste the fix is going to be a captcha like all my "fixes"

07:31:00 ~copypaste ( ???)

07:31:24 uguu oh right, since you're awake now

I2P is coming along quiete nicely

07:31:36 ~copypaste i2p, i could definitely use your help with!

07:31:41 uguu if you want i can roll you a custom i2p router

07:31:43 ~copypaste i don't really know how to do it

07:31:55 uguu the c++ port is stable now so if you want to try it…

07:32:05 ~copypaste since it's just for running an eepsite and not browsing

07:32:08 ~copypaste seems fine to me

07:32:18 ~copypaste and not only that, it doesn't matter if the identity of the eepsite is compromised for 8chan

07:33:35 uguu https://github.com/purplei2p/i2pd compile that it should be straightforward

07:34:04 uguu advice: log = 0

07:36:39 uguu if you don't disable log to file you'll get something like this but in a file: http://a.uguu.se/ffoegf.mp4

07:39:39 >> dd0 (~dd0@Rizon-ED67CED1.dialup.saveho.com) has joined #8chan-dev

07:39:39 uguu when you got it on a server ding me

07:50:53 ~copypaste wil do

07:50:57 ~copypaste gotta fix this captcha right now

07:50:59 ~copypaste no oen can submit reports

Desktop notifications

19:19:53 Not-9851 [ctrlcctrlv/infinity] ctrlcctrlv pushed 1 commit to master [+4/-0/?4] http://git.io/pSNF

19:19:55 Not-9851 [ctrlcctrlv/infinity] ctrlcctrlv 8aad0de - Desktop notifications in auto-reload.js

[…]

20:43:12 czaks nice

20:43:21 czaks desktop notifications

20:43:34 czaks i wanted to do that a long time ago :^)

2015-03-15

How is catalog formed?

15:45:09 guy9000 hey, how does catalog.html get generated? been looking, can't seem to find anything :S

18:53:26 << guy9000 (~HUEHUEHUE@HUE.HUE.HUE.HUEBR) has left #8chan-dev

21:02:09 Jesusdesu every time someone posts probably

2015-03-30

Hotwheels snatches wpaint

07:18:06 ~copypaste i think i'm going to take over the wpaint project

07:18:09 ~copypaste hostile takeover

07:18:10 ~copypaste ( ???)

07:18:13 ~copypaste https://github.com/websanova/wPaint/pulls

07:18:15 ~copypaste he ignores PR's

07:18:22 ~copypaste i'll merge them all into ctrlcctrlv/wPaint

07:18:26 ~copypaste + my color chooser thing

07:18:37 ~copypaste and i'll leave comments on all 3 that i merged them into my branch

07:18:38 ~copypaste ayylmao

07:18:38 ~copypaste '

07:18:51 ~copypaste dude also ignores my email, i even donated to his gratipay

07:19:02 ~copypaste i tell you, sometimes FOSS people are real dickheads

07:19:19 ~copypaste i'll rename it 8paint even

07:19:25 ~copypaste thanks for using MIT ( ???)

07:19:31 ~copypaste cc: linear hard chats going on in here atm

[…]

07:34:51 linear lmao

07:35:11 linear lol

IT BEGINS!

11:32:13 ~copypaste it sure is a pain in the ass to change 8chan's schema

[…]

12:09:18 linear yes

[…]

19:59:50 Toast ( ???)

[…]

23:15:02 uguu copypaste: you're changing the db schema in a production environment?

23:15:15 uguu wat

23:15:26 uguu why would you do that D:

23:15:42 uguu that's like asking steve balmer for advice

23:32:53 faggetttss >talking shit about super steve

I assume that this was suggested by Josh who has worked on site statistics for the board list at the time. Here's the irony: I couldn't give less of a fuck about this feature, because Palemoon could never ever render it.

2015-03-31

IT CONTINUES!

00:06:28 ls uguu: it's called yolo development

01:16:09 linear ^

[…]

06:38:23 ~copypaste uguu: i test it locally, but then i need to make my changes live :^)

06:38:43 uguu sounds like hell on earth

06:39:03 uguu but then again, you run arch linux so…

06:39:21 uguu (x broke lol)

06:40:38 uguu i still find that /tech/ thread where you upgraded your 6 month stale arch install and broke X funny

06:51:09 ~copypaste lol

06:51:11 ~copypaste me too

06:51:29 ~copypaste i didn't even think it would work btw

Then HW talks about tinkering on his Arch Lunix. Sry, can't care about that. #Janiteam teached me that not all staff messages are as important as the Magna Carta in context of the Image Board they are running.

Except for this piece of trivia:

06:53:03 ~copypaste i had that isntallation since 2013.

06:53:10 ~copypaste i developed the first version of 8chan on it

Mac OS was in the way

06:57:29 ~copypaste speaking of i2p, now that i have an actual sane OS

06:57:32 ~copypaste and not insane mac OS

06:57:36 ~copypaste i can actually start setting it up

06:57:42 uguu cool

06:57:55 ~copypaste working around the stuff that apple broke is half of using a mac

06:58:07 ~copypaste well, actually using it. for example apple bundles apache by default now.

06:58:16 uguu ew

06:58:17 ~copypaste but their apache server is broken in many ways

06:58:18 uguu why apache?

06:58:21 ~copypaste i don't know

06:58:26 uguu why not a good httpd like nginx?

06:58:26 ~copypaste same for their python, ruby, php

06:58:30 ~copypaste all compiled weird

06:58:33 ~copypaste with bad options

06:58:37 ~copypaste so you need 2 pythons which conflict

06:58:51 ~copypaste furthermore, they package their own very weird gettext implementation

06:58:55 czaks hi

06:58:56 uguu another example of how apple is out of touch with devs

06:59:06 czaks another kde5 users :^)

06:59:10 ~copypaste at least it's not windows

A bit more I2P

07:06:40 uguu copypaste: once you got 8ch.net on i2p i'll start adding some i2p specific extensions like flood mitigation and destination whitelisting

07:06:54 uguu i2p provides some really freaking neato stuff for http servers

07:06:56 uguu ^-^

[…]

07:08:43 uguu specifically the X-I2P-DestHash header

[…]

07:09:03 uguu it gives you the ephemeral i2p address of the client

[…]

07:09:30 uguu that way you can keep track of repeat visitors from i2p

07:09:58 uguu no way to falsify the cookies when you got the X-I2P-DestHash header :D

07:10:07 uguu well… sorta no way

07:11:57 czaks that's bad

07:12:25 uguu what's bad?

07:12:37 czaks that you can keep track of visitors using i2p

07:12:40 uguu it's an ephemeral destination

07:12:45 uguu it rotates

07:12:52 czaks oh i see

07:13:39 uguu you have the freedom to persist it

07:13:46 uguu (at your own peril)

07:16:29 uguu copypaste: if you treat i2p destinations as a different type of ip address you may be able to have some kind of sane ban system for i2p, then again, it'd be better to do whitelisting than banning with anonymous nets

07:28:38 ~copypaste It will be same as Tor

07:28:42 ~copypaste we can't ban anyone

07:28:46 ~copypaste no images, CAPTCHA system.

07:28:58 ~copypaste any "ban" could be overrun by any sufficiently advanced person

07:29:29 ~copypaste whitelist is however interesting

07:29:33 ~copypaste sounds like my ronin idea.

07:29:58 uguu it's network level but it's still ephemeral

07:30:05 uguu it's like this

07:30:29 uguu you can choose to regenerate your ip address every request or just keep it the same for ever, or something in between

07:30:38 uguu where ip address == i2p destination

08:59:13 Bui /furry/ owner just disabled tor on his board because I ban evaded with it

08:59:13 Bui ayy

09:17:48 linear are you surprised

Told you faggots that Q1 2015 will be done quickly. With Poseidon doing all of winter while I am moving forward until I meet him halfway through and #8chan-dev not being a yappy circlejerk like #Janiteam, this thing will be drilled through in no time. This is nothing, Null underestimates my focus.

you have autism

2015-04-01 and 2015-04-02

Czacks has prepared something

23:15:18 czaks copypaste: i'm preparing a patch

23:15:22 czaks you'll gonna fucking like it

23:15:25 czaks :D

[…]

01:01:13 czaks copypaste: ayy, some problems

01:01:34 czaks i will need more time to inspect that

[…]

01:38:32 czaks copypaste: i'd need to do something like

01:38:40 czaks lock on doing things

01:38:56 czaks fucking concurrency :DDDD

01:39:14 czaks copypaste: what do you use for cache?

01:39:24 czaks and does your cache synchronize between servers?

01:52:31 czaks well

01:52:40 czaks i believe i could do temporary file locking

01:52:57 czaks but i'm not sure how your NFS would handle it

[…]

07:38:50 ~copypaste czaks: it's very simple really. i found memcached to not even be a benefit.

07:39:00 ~copypaste right now it's not even running with a cache other than varnish and is fine.

07:39:33 uguu varnish is a work horse that is totally underrated

I wonder what that was. Now we know why HW insisted on making Varnish work with Next.

uguu points out a FF bug with MP4s

10:40:19 uguu i think there is a problem with mp4

10:40:35 uguu rather, i found a great way to piss off firefox users with mp4

10:41:01 ~copypaste yeah?

10:41:05 ~copypaste that did't crash my rbowser

10:41:06 ~copypaste browser

10:41:18 ~copypaste or do anything special really.

10:41:25 uguu that wasn't one that did that

10:41:40 uguu the secret: mp4 container with x264 and ogg voribs audio

10:41:43 uguu firefox hates that shit

10:42:01 ~copypaste neither of the ones in the thread 10688 crashed my browser.

10:42:09 uguu i'll make one hold on

10:42:11 ~copypaste ok

10:44:26 uguu lolyup

10:44:28 uguu crashed

10:44:33 uguu next one in that thread

10:45:04 ~copypaste what version and OS?

10:45:05 uguu specificly https://8ch.net/operate/res/10688.html#q10697

10:45:11 ~copypaste i didn't crash but it has no audio for me

10:45:13 uguu firefox beta linux

10:45:25 ~copypaste i'm on 37 also on linux

10:45:28 ~copypaste i'd report that as a bug in the beta

10:45:40 ~copypaste let's try to duplicate it on a laptop i have that runs winderps

10:45:44 uguu probably should but probably will hold onto it :^)

10:45:44 ~copypaste [also ff stable]

10:45:50 ~copypaste hehe

10:46:06 ~copypaste in any case i'll reject that codec combination

10:46:21 uguu suggestion: rewrite to proper config

10:46:38 uguu may take too much cputime tho

10:46:39 ~copypaste it should either be [(vp9|vp8)+(opus|vorbis)]|[h264|aac]

10:46:48 ~copypaste no, we're definitely not re-encoding

10:46:58 ~copypaste if ffmpeg can get one frame and detect the codecs that's enough.

10:47:25 ~copypaste in any case, thanks for reporting it to me at least even if it didn't crash for me

10:47:27 uguu i'll try with ff stable

10:47:30 ~copypaste not having audio is annoying enough to fix it

10:47:31 ~copypaste k

Shockwave Flash

10:47:47 uguu you should also never ever ever ever consider svg uploads

10:48:09 ~copypaste oh don't worry, i know

10:48:11 uguu curl http://allyour4nert7pkh.onion:88/die.svg

10:48:15 ~copypaste SVG has so many bugs

10:48:20 ~copypaste it's not happening

10:48:41 uguu yeah my favorite is the xml billion lols svg version

10:48:46 ~copypaste quite honestly, if it weren't fro people like [Desu] i wouldn't even have SVG

10:48:47 ~copypaste erm

10:48:48 ~copypaste SWF*

10:49:01 ~copypaste first of all it requires proprietary software which is bad in and of itself

10:49:05 ~copypaste but adobe can't even keep it secure

10:49:15 uguu adobe sucks asssss with their shit

10:49:37 uguu their free shit*

10:49:43 ~copypaste they're writing a file board

10:49:50 ~copypaste sadly, if it's well implemented, i'll probably merge it

10:49:56 ~copypaste even though it recommends the use of adobe flash player

10:50:03 ~copypaste which i would really like to se be killed, not support

10:50:08 [Desu] ( ???) im not the ONLY person who wants swf…

10:50:22 uguu no i am pretty sure you're the only one :^3

10:50:29 ~copypaste there's a few of them

10:50:33 ~copypaste they make threads on /operate/ often

10:50:39 ~copypaste i try not to go full rms on their ass

10:50:43 ~copypaste although it's very tempting every single time

10:50:47 uguu can we have java applets too?

10:50:50 ~copypaste lol

10:50:55 ~copypaste .applet files

10:50:57 uguu just imagine the 3D shit you could do lol

10:51:00 uguu .jar

10:51:00 ~copypaste do those even still exist?

10:51:05 [Desu] speaking of rms, i made a little prayer to him today

10:51:09 ~copypaste there used to be a dot applet format

10:51:09 [Desu] as i walked into the microsoft store

10:51:17 [Desu] "as i walk through the valley of death…"

10:51:28 uguu yes you still have the freedom to shoot yourself in the foot

10:51:51 uguu honestly anything that runs in the browser is insecure by default

10:52:48 ~copypaste i'm glad java applets are mostly dead

10:52:58 ~copypaste i remember when i used to have icedtea installed, now i don't need that shit

Cyclicals soon!

10:53:56 ~copypaste so much to do today

10:54:00 ~copypaste i could finish the cyclical threads

10:54:06 ~copypaste or i could add some features people are begging for

10:54:11 ~copypaste quite honestly, it never ends around here

10:54:17 ~copypaste and the permissions patch is nowhere near closer to done

10:54:27 ~copypaste i have around ten branches with bits of shit i worked on

10:54:31 [Desu] aw cmon, you know thats what makes it fun

10:54:31 ~copypaste and did not complete

10:54:44 ~copypaste and i'm pretty much the only one who works on it too

10:54:47 [Desu] also which features, cyclical threads sounds like an awesome one to finish

10:54:54 uguu drop LSD and then start hacking away

10:54:59 ~copypaste toplel

10:55:07 ~copypaste wake up the next day and realize i deleted everything overnight

10:55:12 [Desu] my programmer will be stateside SOON.TM (????`) ill make him teach me

10:55:16 ~copypaste roving gangs of anons searching for me

Its also funny how 4chan's Yotsuba doesn't have anything original. They copied cyclical threads as soon 8chan had them for a while. It will forever be the IB software that steals from everyone.

2015-04-03

Correction: All the quotes from the latter part of the one about Czacks patch are actually from 3rd April 2015.

A little about the 8chan rewrite

11:14:02 ~copypaste how did your library ever go?

11:14:08 uguu it's go-ing

11:14:13 ~copypaste cool

11:14:18 uguu i am stuck on the frontend part

11:14:22 ~copypaste uguu: no modern chan users will really enjoy it without update notifications

11:14:23 uguu i hate webdev

11:14:25 ~copypaste and stuff

11:14:39 ~copypaste you can hate JS from nerd rage

11:14:46 ~copypaste but i'm telling you that the average user wants all the rice

11:14:50 ~copypaste like floating backlinks and stuff

11:15:02 uguu my livechan work has made me come to believe that webdev is intentionally made harder to preserve job security

11:15:12 ~copypaste absolutely correct

11:15:18 uguu i knew it

11:15:23 ~copypaste 95% of webdev platforms are extremely difficult to break into

11:15:26 ~copypaste but once you know them

11:15:28 ~copypaste you're very secure

11:15:50 ~copypaste Optional dependencies for i2p

11:15:50 ~copypaste robert: I2P BitTorrent client

11:15:53 ~copypaste that worth installing?

11:15:57 uguu no

11:15:59 ~copypaste ok

11:16:01 uguu unmaintained

11:16:14 ~copypaste also

11:16:20 ~copypaste webdev is incredibly boring once you understand it

11:16:22 uguu sponge has a life outside i2p making his funneh android chat apps

11:16:25 uguu yup

11:16:28 ~copypaste that's why everyone yells at me to rewrite 8chan but no one wants to do it

11:16:32 ~copypaste hell even i don't want to do it

11:16:37 ~copypaste it's mind numbing mostly.

11:17:08 uguu i can see that

11:17:45 ~copypaste cool

11:17:52 ~copypaste it works finally

Smartbuild

http://pastebin.com/qTNC72J0

This concerns the way 8chan writes stuff now I suppose. Eitherway, that was long enough to warrant a pastebin.

2015-04-06

Cyclicals are here! Uhhh…why are they made in the first place?

05:19:21 ~copypaste what do you think of cycle threads?

05:19:48 czaks cycle threads.. what are they?

05:19:52 linear cycle threads are nice but i'd like it if they archived a bit more for people joining them late

05:20:05 ~copypaste here's one https://8ch.net/b/res/2229171.html

05:20:15 ~copypaste it's a thread capped to $config['reply_limit'] replies

05:20:20 ~copypaste on a new reply, first reply is erased.

05:20:43 linear I guess what I don't like is that

05:20:52 linear early posts are 'lost forever' (..kind of), but that happens even without cycle threads, so

05:21:01 linear or, it's weird to try to reference them after deletion maybe

05:21:04 ~copypaste that's a matter of fixing 8archive.

05:21:12 ~copypaste not a matter of the thread being broken

05:21:20 linear yeah

05:21:38 linear it just 'feels' differently knowing that my post is gonna be trimmed after a few more are made in the same thread

05:22:01 ~copypaste btw

05:22:04 ~copypaste (huge page) http://8archive.moe/b/thread/2228499

05:22:10 ~copypaste all it takes is adding pagination to foolfuuka

05:22:14 ~copypaste and it's fixed.

05:22:38 czaks copypaste: nice

05:22:54 czaks good for ?general threads?

05:22:57 ~copypaste yes

05:23:06 ~copypaste the issue before this is, their old general gets full

05:23:12 ~copypaste then four people make new ones

05:23:15 ~copypaste and eveyrone gets annoyed.

05:23:42 linear some generals are really coordinated and the same person remakes them 24/7

[…]

06:41:35 uguu i am glad that cyclical threads are a thing, it's actually something useful

06:42:06 uguu now if board owners stoped being pretentious fagtards with overzealous moderation…. everything would be zen

06:42:59 linear lol

2015-04-10 - 2015-04-14

early signs of troubles with AGPL

21:30:35 lancee hey, is inc/dnsbls.php purposely excluded from the git repo?

21:30:43 lancee I was curious as to what it contains

21:31:25 czaks lancee: possibly a configuration of dnsbls

21:31:41 lancee yeah, I was wondering which lists 8ch uses

21:34:44 Bui 2ch's private list

21:35:00 lancee oh, I see, thanks Bui

lancee ran 55chan and appeared for the first time a few days ago.

Null's first actual appearance

20:25:15 uguu copypaste: still no thoughts on i2p access?

21:52:07 ls uguu: I think the last time he worked on this was met with "ugh how do people make this work at all"

22:16:34 n-tech copy's out of town at the moment

22:19:02 n-tech I dunno who to ask questions at without him arond lol

22:19:09 n-tech @ls any idea how we store upgrade mysql

22:19:36 n-tech and do you have any understanding of how events work?

Null has a important question about MySQL

16:04:43 n-tech Is anyone familiar with 8chan's mysql database? @czaks?

16:04:49 n-tech I have a really important question regarding timestamps

16:05:49 linear probably you / copypaste

16:05:52 linear unless it's mysql specific

17:00:10 n-tech it is

17:00:24 n-tech @ linear my question is basically

17:00:31 n-tech I need to get a post's timestamp as it's being inserted

17:00:39 n-tech I *could* just do a select immediately after

17:00:43 n-tech but I'd rather not

17:00:56 n-tech like we don't set it in PHP and NOW() is timezone specific

17:01:01 n-tech why we don't use fucking GMTIME is beyond me

20:13:14 << Tenicu (~Tenicu@unlimited.rerailment.works) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

22:03:35 faggetttss implement it n-tech

22:03:38 faggetttss i believe in you

22:03:48 faggetttss believe in yourself

22:04:06 n-tech I already did

22:04:20 faggetttss see?

22:04:21 n-tech $post is now inserted with 'time' = PHP time() which is unix gm

22:04:33 faggetttss thats why you get the big bux

22:04:37 n-tech but this could break any system running a mysql db with a tz different than gmt 0

22:04:39 faggetttss :^)

2015-04-15

Are you fucking breaking the site, Null?

00:21:14 czaks n-tech: why

00:21:24 czaks unix ts is pretty straightforward

00:21:59 czaks the unix epoch is 1 jan 1970 00:00:00 gmt+0

00:22:05 n-tech czaks, Because the column `posts_%`.`time` uses NOW() as the default.

00:22:19 n-tech NOW() uses the MySQL timezone setting. If it's not set, it'll use the system timezone.

00:22:27 czaks lol wat

00:22:53 czaks so wat do? can't we somehow force gmt+0?

00:22:58 czaks eg. during connection

00:23:05 n-tech Well, what I've done is ez.

00:23:22 n-tech when the post is inserted I explicitly define `time` as time() in PHP which is unix at gmt+0

00:23:48 n-tech but I will probably add into my upgrade tool to check for timezones in mysql

00:23:57 n-tech and if they aren't gmt+0 it'll update all the timestamps

00:24:16 n-tech check out my post in this issue

00:24:16 n-tech https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity/issues/456

00:25:08 n-tech oh I didn't actually touch on the timestamp thing

00:25:08 n-tech oops

00:25:13 n-tech but it's still probably worth reading

00:45:43 n-tech @ czaks what happened to the plan to merge all posts_ boards

00:45:56 n-tech tables*

00:53:03 czaks n-tech: the patch was mostly ready

00:53:09 czaks but it wasn't merged

00:53:29 czaks maybe i will work on it later

00:53:43 czaks with the golden rule of upstream first

01:07:17 n-tech @ czaks I'm stumped. Can you help me out?

01:07:28 n-tech I'm trying to include javascript on a page but it's flat out ignoring it.

[…]

06:25:47 faggetttss fucking 504

06:25:55 faggetttss are you breaking the site n-tech

2015-04-17

Null hubris pops up

22:58:06 n-tech Anyone useful around?

22:58:15 n-tech I have a question about vichan's js

No comment. Normally something like this wouldn't be quoteworthy at all.

2015-04-18

Where's Hotwheels?

17:11:22 LordRothschild just out of curiosity

17:11:29 LordRothschild what is hotwheels working on right now?

[…]

18:56:29 uguu the 8ch nsa backdoor, prolly

[…]

20:14:13 Not-3c39 [infinity] Rigel88 opened issue #462: Feature request: stationary post-hover - http://git.io/vvdBq

20:36:47 n-tech LordRothchild – he's in Thailand

20:36:58 n-tech oh he left

20:37:00 n-tech that nigger

2015-04-19

'Czaks' file boards

08:48:55 czaks copypaste: :^)

08:49:00 czaks well i do server admining for…

08:49:04 czaks 10 years now lol

08:49:38 czaks just that soon i will have a big-rush work to do

08:49:43 czaks by soon i mean… tomorrow

08:49:45 ~copypaste for who?

08:49:54 ~copypaste fileboards for desu?

08:50:05 czaks nope, that's also what i need to do ASAP

08:50:13 czaks but it's easy

08:50:18 ~copypaste m. he told me he was hiring you for that

08:50:25 ~copypaste well, i referred him to you :^)

OK, I eat another fried crow now. The Fileboard feature is actually by Czacks

Things HW was working on before the announcement of Next

08:51:21 LordRothschild oh hey copypaste

08:51:41 LordRothschild what 8chan features are you working on right now?

08:52:37 ~copypaste new boards list. not me, n-tech did it. i paid him because i was going to be away but wanted stuff to still be done.

08:53:13 LordRothschild do you still read /operate/?

08:57:07 ~copypaste yeah. i checked it once or twice in thailand

08:57:19 ~copypaste site's not down = nothing to do

09:00:46 LordRothschild what about feature suggestions?

09:01:00 LordRothschild I always thought that having the top 25 boards on the top was a bit too cluttered

2015-04-20

Hotwheels sees the havoc

http://pastebin.com/e6fpv2Bj

2015-04-21

Post CP, get site closed

10:25:42 lancee copypaste, thanks for helping out hit

10:26:19 ~copypaste no problem.

10:26:25 ~copypaste i like to help other chans whenever possible

10:26:34 czaks doing the file board patch now :DD

10:26:52 ~copypaste nice czaks. desu will be very happy

10:26:56 ~copypaste he has bugged me for months about it

10:28:42 lancee copypaste, you wouldn't imagine how much we're victim of the post-cp-then-report-your-own-post-to-the-hosting-company scheme

10:31:44 ~copypaste lots of IBs are.

10:31:50 ~copypaste they route through tor and exit on random proxies

10:31:53 ~copypaste very annoying problem.

10:33:24 lancee yeah

[…]

10:43:00 czaks lancee: lol

10:43:08 czaks it's a good attack

Karachan

10:43:24 czaks we had big problems with one polish IB being DDoS-ed like shit

10:43:49 czaks and copypaste helped them by making a subdomain: http://kara.8ch.net/

10:43:54 czaks no more ddos possible :DD

10:44:41 czaks it was probably a shit-tier polish IB trying to attack the biggest

10:45:13 czaks while at the time i thought that it's impossible to stop such an attack

10:45:30 czaks after this thing, i'd conclude that they failed miserably

[…]

10:47:24 lancee lol

File boards are here!'

http://pastebin.com/LCEekHW1

Null's board list

12:10:02 ~copypaste :3

12:10:08 ~copypaste czaks: what do you think of 8chan's new boards list?

12:10:14 ~copypaste i paid 2.5BTC for it to be done while i was in thailand

12:10:16 ~copypaste n-tech did it

12:10:34 ~copypaste stats are now perfectly accurate

12:10:40 ~copypaste and historic

12:10:42 ~copypaste we can make graphs soon

12:10:59 czaks seems really nice

12:11:03 n-tech graphs ~ uguu

12:11:16 Jesusdesu it's better than the 2MB boards.html

12:11:18 ~copypaste (well, almost perfect. there is a race condition)

12:11:19 Jesusdesu that freezes my shit

12:11:22 ~copypaste Jesusdesu: yes

12:11:27 ~copypaste that was the main reason for update

12:11:30 n-tech race condition?

12:11:33 ~copypaste also the old boards page was ridiculously inaccurate

12:11:41 n-tech my code is not racist

12:11:43 czaks oh but

12:11:48 czaks one thing

12:11:51 ~copypaste yea

12:11:52 ~copypaste ?

12:11:56 czaks when you expand

12:12:02 czaks the tags get messed up

12:12:16 ~copypaste oh

12:12:19 ~copypaste yes i did also notice that

12:12:23 n-tech the tag list may be somewhat inaccurate, I don't think I spent as much time on those.

12:12:23 ~copypaste when you expand all the tags double

12:12:26 n-tech like there may be duplicates

12:12:28 n-tech yea

12:12:37 ~copypaste the new tag weight is good

12:12:41 ~copypaste i didn't even look into the new algo

12:12:45 ~copypaste but much better than my old clumsy one

12:12:52 Jesusdesu >baneposting

12:13:01 n-tech It sorts them by prominance and weighs them on # of active users

12:13:12 n-tech so it shouldn't be perfectly heavy to lightest but usually is.

Code style

12:13:19 czaks except that i actually hate those commits that change } else {

12:13:24 czaks to }\nelse {

12:13:34 n-tech i have to or my autism implodes

12:13:35 czaks in unrelated parts of code

12:13:41 ~copypaste lel same

12:13:43 czaks yeah, it just makes my work harder

12:13:46 Jesusdesu I like this http://8ch.net/static/infinity-small.gif

12:13:47 n-tech how?

12:13:53 ~copypaste because of merges n-tech

12:13:55 n-tech oh you merge upstream

12:13:56 Jesusdesu looks like some windows xp shit

12:13:57 ~copypaste indeed…

12:14:01 ~copypaste and it also breaks our code style.

12:14:06 ~copypaste vichan code style is } else {.

12:14:10 czaks is it?

12:14:13 ~copypaste yes.

12:14:15 czaks i always write }\nelse {

12:14:24 ~copypaste really?

12:14:27 ~copypaste lol.

12:14:32 ~copypaste i always write } else {

12:14:33 ~copypaste ( ???)

12:14:37 n-tech don't

12:14:38 n-tech don't be hitler

12:14:42 czaks and there is

12:14:48 Jesusdesu we gotta celebrate his birthday somehow

12:14:51 czaks doublespace

12:14:53 czaks vs tabs

12:15:10 n-tech there is a painting from the 1920s by Adolf Hitler and it's nothing but } else { in black strokes

12:15:16 czaks i very much prefer doublespaces

12:15:17 Jesusdesu as long as it's not gnu style, it's okay

12:15:17 n-tech an oddity in hitler's collection

12:15:24 czaks due to muh ruby coding

12:15:29 czaks and }\nelse {

12:15:37 czaks due to muh mirc coding i did when i was young :DDD

12:15:42 czaks mirc didn't accept } else {

12:16:19 ~copypaste >mIRCscript

12:16:20 ~copypaste lmao

12:17:16 Jesusdesu K&R style is good

2015-04-23

http://irclogs.8ch.net/rizon/%238chan-dev/2015-04-23

On this day mainly dealt with fileboards are supposed to function. Also this log confirms that lowcard is responsible for claims.

2015-04-23

posting limits

13:34:04 czaks [Desu]: oh sure

13:34:18 czaks just wanted to ask if you have any further requests

13:34:25 czaks related to this patchset

13:34:32 [Desu] one thing i believe

13:34:38 [Desu] which is the 4 posts per ip per day

13:34:39 czaks yeah?

13:34:41 [Desu] did you get that one on there?

13:34:57 czaks if it worked with imageboard

13:34:58 [Desu] 4 OP posts*

13:35:07 czaks it will work with fileboard

13:35:23 [Desu] i need to check, not sure if copypaste has that feature for OPs per ip

13:35:31 [Desu] i think its currently threads per day

13:35:36 czaks yes he has, possibly not 4

13:35:36 [Desu] regardless of who makes

13:35:38 [Desu] or threads per hour

13:35:41 [Desu] ah okay

13:35:47 [Desu] ill ask him about it when he's on

[…]

13:57:19 ~copypaste hi

13:57:29 ~copypaste that's not configurable

13:57:48 ~copypaste it's a special filter, and it's actually just one OP per 2 minutes from same IP globally.

14:17:00 >> Bladee (~Blade@dont.act.dumb) has joined #8chan-dev

14:19:15 czaks yeah, there's also early 404

14:19:30 czaks and a global limit for ops

14:53:09 [Desu] copypaste is there a way to configure a max ops per ip on a specific board?

[…]

15:12:51 ~copypaste shouldn't be hard to write a filter to do that i guess

15:12:57 ~copypaste i had it at one time a while ago

15:12:59 ~copypaste in /news+/

15:13:03 ~copypaste but no one liked it [Desu]

15:15:13 [Desu] ah

15:15:17 [Desu] its kindof an /f/ thing

15:15:22 [Desu] if theres no limit

15:15:33 [Desu] /f/ becomes VERY easy to flood

15:15:46 [Desu] seeing as the main thing of /f/ is the op's, not the threads themselves

15:16:03 [Desu] theres a reason moot had it set to 4, but then he set it to 2, which was shit

[…]

15:18:15 ~copypaste ok

15:18:21 ~copypaste it's easy for me to add just 4 /f/

15:19:56 [Desu] cool

15:20:25 [Desu] thanks a bunch <3

15:21:04 [Desu] being able to post 4 files a day instead of two sounds so nice

[…]

15:24:52 [Desu] moot switched it to 2, hmmm, in 2013 or something like that?

15:36:35 czaks well

15:36:41 czaks i have a dynamic IP address

15:37:03 czaks getting ip addrs from various subnets

15:54:47 [Desu] lol, yeah, its not hard to circumvent

15:54:53 [Desu] but its "hard enough"

2015-04-27

Don't count open proxies as unique IP

06:24:25 Jesusdesu http://8ch.net/lookatmeiknowhowtouseproxies/index.html

[…]

08:36:40 ~copypaste with the new board_stats table i can crash boards from the board list with no survivors without even deleting posts

08:36:43 ~copypaste that's pretty cool n-tech

08:38:10 n-tech haaa

08:38:11 n-tech nice

08:43:35 Not-1852 [infinity] bui commented on issue #489: don't count open proxies, etc. as "unique" IP addresses - http://git.io/vfydL

08:46:08 Bui I could always just pass on my proxy list tbh

08:46:25 Bui it's amazing how barely any are caught by major dnsbls

08:47:17 ~copypaste well, i imagine you have a shell script to generate it

08:47:23 ~copypaste and it changes all the time. i have a feeling that's the reason

08:47:29 Bui yeah

08:47:34 Bui cron updates it every 5 mins :^

09:01:03 @linear do you shitpost for a living Bui

09:01:16 @linear not joking, actually curious

09:02:05 Bui no

09:02:09 Bui do you ircop for a living?

09:02:56 @linear yes

09:02:59 @linear s/op//

09:03:35 Bui >he's an operator, on an anime irc network

09:03:43 @linear >anime irc network

09:03:54 Bui it is though

09:04:11 @linear /shrug

09:05:33 @linear Bui: I ask because you seem rather dedicated to your MO, whatever (specifically) that actually is, and as a result, you get better results than some others with similar goals, but less determiniation or knowledge

09:06:14 Bui ok

09:08:06 @linear I don't know what I expected.

2015-04-28

The day banners became unavailable to everyone

21:48:53 dusty hey

21:48:58 dusty anyone around to take a bug report

21:54:06 czaks dusty: yes

21:54:07 czaks dusty: no

21:54:11 czaks dusty: i don't know

21:54:12 czaks dusty: maybe

21:54:13 czaks XD

21:54:19 czaks no, actually feel free to tell us

21:54:22 czaks what's the problem

21:54:25 dusty lol

21:54:38 dusty well just i cant set my banner

21:54:47 dusty i pasted the error to n-tech, i think hes on it

21:54:56 czaks ok

21:54:58 n-tech I just pinged it to cp

21:55:05 n-tech I'm not working on it atm, if you want to take it

21:55:15 n-tech it's mostly missing index errors which probably means some resource isn't being loaded

21:55:17 dusty thanks for the cool site :)

21:56:39 czaks np

2015-04-29

muh PHP

08:49:34 uguu > using php unironicly

08:49:48 ~copypaste PHP powers most of the web, including Facebook(TM)

08:49:52 ~copypaste Are you upset? :^)

08:50:25 uguu me? no, but i am sure many people who want good webstacks are.

HW obtains infinitydev.org

10:23:05 ~copypaste kluwe is the final straw. i want someting ready by may

10:23:11 ~copypaste i'll advertise it on 8chan as well.

10:23:26 uguu kluwe?

10:23:35 ~copypaste NFL player im arguing with on shitter

10:24:46 ~copypaste @chriswarcraft

10:25:21 ~copypaste i will shill overchan 2 very hard i think

10:25:26 ~copypaste we can make like a new gnutella network

10:25:29 ~copypaste wouldn't that be cool?

10:26:12 ~copypaste my rep is already beyond repair in SJW circles so i am the perfect person to shill it :^)

10:26:23 uguu :>

10:26:40 @linear lol

10:26:42 ~copypaste uguu: i registered domain infinitydev.org

10:26:51 ~copypaste the site i put there will have two sections

10:27:06 ~copypaste infinity & beyond

10:27:10 uguu lol

10:27:22 uguu where's buzz?

10:27:26 ~copypaste hehe

10:27:32 << Somanyanons (~Soma@professional.shitposter) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)

10:27:34 ~copypaste that's what the names are based on yes

[…]

10:28:08 uguu if you make an overchan call it overchan.buzzkill

10:28:19 ~copypaste lmao

10:28:38 ~copypaste no. i want to just write software that is easy for people like wowaname to set up

10:28:48 ~copypaste those are the guys that run the frontends

10:28:53 ~copypaste if you get them interested, you win already

10:28:55 ~copypaste and that russian guy

10:29:08 ~copypaste and whoever runs slamspeech, you know.

10:29:15 ~copypaste that's the audience

10:29:22 uguu i think jacob appelbaum runs slamspeech

10:29:26 uguu but who knows

10:29:28 ~copypaste so it has to be for people with entry or mid level sysadmin experience

10:30:00 ~copypaste not hard. package a start.sh with the Go backend

10:30:06 ~copypaste have it run itself automatically in screen

10:30:12 ~copypaste then run the frontend

10:30:21 ~copypaste and get peering. that's it, you're a node

2015-04-30

Post limits

08:45:10 ~copypaste 06:52:01 Bui why is there even a post limit?

08:45:19 ~copypaste certain scripts are very slow past 1000 posts

08:45:30 ~copypaste past 2000 posts even just the raw markup is slow

08:45:36 ~copypaste i decided on 750 because most threads end there

08:45:43 ~copypaste 4chan has an image limit but no hard post limit

This topic came up, because cyclicals still had a bumplimit in place.

This concludes April. I am worried that I meet Poseidon somewhere in January. On the other hand some logs from this month are Janiteam sized and this alone makes them a tough read.

2015-05-01 - 2015-05-04

Ben Garrison

10:35:40 Jesusdesu I don?t trust a guy that hosts an 8 hour Q&A and doesn?t answer any questions.

[…]

10:48:46 Jesusdesu copypaste: Ben Garrison is like Chris-chan, he gets into altercations with people and then draws the person he doesn't like

10:49:16 Jesusdesu in a silly strawmanish way

We could have livechan now

19:00:26 uguu copypaste: what do you think about a livechan widget for 8ch.net for the future, optionally have a livechan attached to your board for "realtime" stuff.

2015-05-05

8chan is down

08:14:14 michaelrules I got banned from #8chan for being a nigger

08:15:30 michaelrules Also

08:15:35 michaelrules R.I.P. 8chan

08:15:52 @linear this is the dev channel

08:16:04 michaelrules Yeah, and 8chan is down right now

08:16:19 @linear we know

08:16:20 michaelrules Nevermind…

08:17:47 michaelrules kek, the cloudflare backup is more responsive to hovering over quotes than the actual website

08:18:17 michaelrules welp, good luck fixing the site

[…]

08:39:07 Jesusdesu everyone fucking panic

08:39:10 Jesusdesu https://8ch.net/pol/

08:39:13 Jesusdesu /pol/ is down

08:39:59 @linear we know

08:40:05 @linear up soon

08:40:10 Jesusdesu thx

2015-05-06

8chan's shekels

10:30:01 Jesus copypaste: accept debit/credit cards like 4chan does. if you can. if you're worried about "trust", then tell people to buy prepaid credit cards in store

10:30:19 Jesus it's easier to go to a supermarket and buy one of the cards than it is to try to get bitcoin

10:30:22 Jesus I use bitcoin though

10:36:44 ~copypaste That's not true. In USA you can buy so called "Money Pak" card at thesupermarket and get BTC with them. I know this because unfortunately I had to doo it quite often when I was lviing with Kara in NY. One time by myself in the cold, lol.

10:36:59 ~copypaste There is also a "Vanilla Reload" but they didn't sell those in my part of the country.

10:37:42 ~copypaste 7/11 sells them.

10:38:09 `7185_ I loved the chaturbate idea

10:39:01 @linear pls no greendot

10:39:15 @linear I miss when I could buy those anonymously

10:39:19 @linear good times

10:41:06 Jesus copypaste: ah. thanks for the info

10:41:17 Jesus I'll mention that

10:42:30 Jesus second result of google >Green Dot?s Decision to Stop Selling MoneyPak Cards Will Take a Toll

10:43:30 Jesus the worst thing is, you can't even use prepaid debit cards at some sites anymore because they demand "3-D Verification"

10:43:45 Jesus which the prepaid cards don't have

10:49:38 `7185_ neucoin will save us all

10:49:39 czaks 04:30:01 < Jesus> copypaste: accept debit/credit cards like 4chan does. if you can. if you're worried about "trust", then tell people to buy prepaid credit cards in store

10:49:45 czaks that would be cool

10:50:03 czaks unfortunately, visa and mastercard would suspend the service as soon as they get to know about that

10:51:00 czaks they are private companies and they don't have to tell the reasons about it

10:51:49 czaks and they would know about it immediately

10:51:56 czaks thanks to SJWs

10:53:56 czaks btw. it's really easy to trade bitcoins peer to peer once you get to know some people that are using bitcoins :^)

10:55:30 czaks i, for instance, mostly earn coins for muh work and i have mostly no problem exchanging that to fiat money

10:55:44 czaks even though i don't use bitcoin exchanges

11:15:04 Bui I thought stripe was being considered

11:37:26 ~copypaste It is, still no approval.

11:37:32 ~copypaste No rejection, but no approval.

11:40:11 @linear stripe is great

[…]

13:42:35 ~copypaste Finally can work on this again (????`)

13:42:43 ~copypaste We got 4BTC in donations. That's enough for May.

13:42:52 ~copypaste Today I'll do the board assets page and a few other small things.

[…]

14:14:01 ~copypaste Holy crap

14:14:03 ~copypaste https://blockchain.info/tx/ce14d5aa75dc90858c13b16f8f6bee62fedf4fddb53b05b08aa628978fedca3e

14:14:08 ~copypaste We're funded for months now (????`)

14:14:24 ~copypaste cc: linear, n-tech, czaks

14:14:33 @linear oh boy

14:14:40 ~copypaste We have ~$3000 now, 10BTC

14:14:43 @linear wow

14:14:43 @linear who

14:14:46 ~copypaste Time to eat at that todo list

14:14:50 ~copypaste I have no idea, no one emailed me

14:14:55 @linear time to give me some drug money

14:14:56 ~copypaste Or said "I'm giving you 3 grand"

14:14:59 @linear congratulations

14:15:01 ~copypaste linear: ( ???)

14:15:02 n-tech mmm money

14:15:24 ~copypaste First Bitcoin donation drive brings in this much

14:15:28 ~copypaste Reddit SJWs will probably be pissed

14:15:32 ~copypaste wew

>>499

Mark haters are twice as autistic as Mark ever was. They bring him up everywhere for any reason. You'd think they'd leave 8chan already if they hate him so much.

overchan

http://pastebin.com/4iqJhup9

2015-05-07

Cloudfare

01:10:58 @linear well

01:11:04 @linear if you enable javascript then they get easy

01:11:05 uguu at least for CF sites

01:11:11 @linear but it hurts the cause a lot yeah

01:11:17 @linear their javascript is

01:11:17 @linear very

01:11:19 @linear malcious

01:11:26 @linear if you haven't seen the github on it I can link it

01:11:36 uguu not to mention they are effectively an https mitm

01:11:58 uguu they get to spy on ALL the traffic

01:12:04 @linear probably best friends with NSA

01:12:05 @linear so yeah

01:12:10 @linear they just go up to everyone like

01:12:17 @linear "Hey, kid, want some free web services?"

01:12:36 uguu "it'd be horrible if the chinese mob DDoS'd your site…"

01:12:50 uguu "why not get some 'protection' :^)"

01:13:33 uguu "oh you don't want our DDoS mitigation? well it may harm your business…"

01:13:42 uguu totally not racketeering lol

01:14:28 uguu CF is quite literally the second biggest problem on the internet

01:14:34 uguu biggest problem is NSA

01:14:58 uguu there's no reason to trust CF imo

01:15:12 uguu no payment? no service, you are the product.

01:15:28 @linear Get some free DDoS protection :)

01:15:31 uguu "free" doesn't exist.

01:16:02 uguu either it's "free" and they sell your or you buy the premium shit that rarely is worth it

[…]

01:23:53 dusty hi goys

01:23:59 dusty guys*

Tinyboard issues

http://pastebin.com/K9wcWVt2

Also learned from that day that something else died with Null's contribution.

http://stats.4ch.net/8chan/graph_pu.html

We have no more site stats. This is also why Null decided to keep the data and never prune it.

>>501

Thank god it won't affect me. I may lose Poseidon's help over this, which would be a shame. Have fun with my new findings.

2015-05-08

First signs of problems with audio support

19:02:57 uguu copypaste: is the major blocker for uploading audio lack of devbux or is it related to dmca?

[…]

19:10:32 ~copypaste DMCA, but I'll try it out soon anyway uguu

19:10:37 ~copypaste Any effort on that project?

19:11:01 ~copypaste erm, not effort, progress i mean

19:11:12 ~copypaste It shouldn't be too hard to write a shim, let me know if you need help (????`)

19:19:17 uguu effort? mentally, yes, loc wise, no.

2015-05-10

How vichan builts your messages

01:26:00 n-tech @ uguu better late than never I assume, but yes

01:26:42 n-tech I'm trying to remember on what conditions a post is rebuilt

01:26:49 n-tech It may be only if it's edited by a moderator.

01:27:10 n-tech Otherwise the template builders will only pull the fully rendered HTML.

01:27:25 n-tech But not on page refresh, no.

01:27:39 n-tech Vichan runs on a hard caching system. The HTML file you get exists on the harddisk.

01:27:44 n-tech It is only rebuilt after an action.

[…]

01:31:34 uguu so…

01:31:46 uguu 1) insert record with just body_nomarkup

01:31:51 uguu 2) trigger rebuild

01:31:54 uguu 3) works?

01:31:59 uguu y/n

01:33:42 uguu where is body column used?

01:34:05 uguu wouldn't it make more sense to just have something like body_nomarkup and then render it on rebuild?

01:34:21 uguu is that some kind of cache? why is it in the database if it is? why not just memcache?

01:34:28 uguu wtf STI

01:34:45 uguu some much of this shit sucks ass

01:34:57 uguu it makes me want to rewrite it and make a migration script

01:35:07 uguu it makes me want to do that SO FUCKING BAD

01:36:24 uguu it's just a pile of poop

01:37:11 uguu rather, piles of honest poop

01:37:17 uguu php

01:37:34 uguu ne4a6smkz

01:37:37 uguu crap

01:37:42 uguu cat on keyboard

[…]

02:54:58 n-tech oh sorry, didn't expect you to reply so soon.

02:55:01 n-tech also uguu

02:55:05 n-tech or rather uguu

02:55:08 n-tech i'm working on a rewrite

02:55:14 n-tech if you're interested message me

Everyone wants to rewrite hatechan

09:34:26 ~copypaste yeah. we want to make a files table

09:34:31 ~copypaste and then also consolidate posts table.

09:34:37 ~copypaste these are really big changes though ;_;

09:34:48 ~copypaste the migration alone will take a while to write

09:34:51 ~copypaste not only that

09:34:57 ~copypaste i have five people trying to sell their rewrites to me

09:35:00 ~copypaste (????`)

09:35:17 czaks rewrites of what?

09:35:21 ~copypaste rewirtes of 8chan.

09:35:27 ~copypaste you're one of them. but there's four others.

09:35:46 czaks did they do it already?

09:35:53 ~copypaste no, none of them are done or close to done.

09:35:57 czaks or just working on it, or preparing to do so?

09:36:09 czaks i see

09:36:20 ~copypaste the closest one is n-tech, but there's also https://gitlab.com/mrseth/infinity-js

09:36:28 czaks well, i could talk with them

09:36:35 czaks and try to do something sane actually

09:36:38 ~copypaste which you know, is some io.js thing with gridfs, both things i've never worked on

09:36:55 uguu oh boy

09:37:00 ~copypaste (well i did have a node.js program on 8chan int he early days but it crashed with like 200 users)

09:37:02 uguu avoid io.js with all your power

09:37:08 ~copypaste lol

09:37:14 ~copypaste here come the opinions :^)

09:37:20 ~copypaste this is why things don't get done.

09:37:23 uguu http://logs.libuv.org/io.js/2015-05-08#14:25:38.345

09:37:28 czaks i'd do one with ruby + eventmachine

09:37:47 uguu you decide for yourself if you want to associate with them

09:37:52 ~copypaste i see

09:38:00 ~copypaste i don't care about the political beliefs of software developers

09:38:04 ~copypaste there is nothing less interesting to me

09:38:05 uguu they will

09:38:07 uguu :3

09:38:12 ~copypaste they will what? shut down my project?

09:38:16 ~copypaste then their project is not FOSS.

09:38:28 ~copypaste because if it were, they couldn't do that

09:38:29 czaks copypaste: well, for that matter

09:38:35 czaks would you want another STI? xD

09:38:46 ~copypaste czaks: that's another problem

09:38:56 ~copypaste a bigger problem actually. someone who will work on it and then abandon

09:39:08 ~copypaste and then i have to learn a whole new system, when i know this one quite well from my years of experience with it

09:39:14 uguu the js ecosystem is insanely volatile

09:39:14 ~copypaste it's getting to be like "yes it's shit, but it's my shit"

09:39:18 ~copypaste i'm very attached to it ( ???)

We will never ever get Werchan

09:41:19 ~copypaste anyway, way out of left field is this cat-v guy

09:41:26 czaks with just a few dependencies

09:41:30 ~copypaste http://guhnoo.org/

09:41:37 ~copypaste he emailed me about this chan, which isn't even a chan

09:41:41 ~copypaste (no images)

09:41:49 ~copypaste and the main selling point is "non-harmful"

09:41:57 ~copypaste fucking uriel, haunting us from beyond the grave….

09:42:08 czaks plz no cat-v guys, thanks :^)

09:42:15 ~copypaste hahahahaha

09:42:18 ~copypaste yeah

09:42:23 uguu " Embedded images and videos deemed "not safe for work" are NOT allowed. "

09:42:26 uguu lol

09:42:27 czaks we would end up running chans on plan 9

[…]

09:42:38 uguu doomed to fail

09:42:39 czaks written in rc or whatever

09:42:44 czaks in ANSI C

09:42:46 ~copypaste czaks: yeah, this chan requires plan9 something or other installed

09:42:52 ~copypaste i think a compatibility model or whatever

09:42:52 czaks :DDD

09:43:04 czaks because it's probably written in rc

09:43:04 ~copypaste http://guhnoo.org/fqa

09:43:09 ~copypaste "Frequently Questioned Answers"

09:43:14 czaks rc is plan9's bash

09:43:18 ~copypaste ahh

09:43:41 ~copypaste here's the um "framework" http://werc.cat-v.org/

09:43:42 ~copypaste >If you use Debian you can install the 9base package that will provide all the required commands (but at the moment you need to install the version in sid or later, as older versions lack some of the required programs).

09:43:49 ~copypaste i thought plan9 was an OS

09:43:54 ~copypaste not just something you can install on debian?

09:43:58 ~copypaste anyway lol

09:44:41 czaks 9base is plan9 userspace ported to linux probably

What are the other options?

09:45:17 czaks btw. i never wrote a nodejs app

09:45:24 ~copypaste so i've covered czaks rewrite, n-tech rewrite, cat-v guy, io.js guy

09:45:31 czaks but nodejs is mostly um

09:45:37 ~copypaste the last one hasn't even started. so that's five people trying to get me to support their rewrites, lol.

09:45:39 czaks callback hell afaik

09:45:49 czaks ok, there's also amelia

09:45:54 uguu async callback spegetti code hell

09:45:59 ~copypaste ah yes

09:46:02 ~copypaste Amelia was the original n-tech

09:46:07 ~copypaste "Let's just rewrite it in Laravel"

09:46:08 czaks oh i see lol

09:46:10 ~copypaste she gave up quickly.

09:46:28 czaks ok, so

09:46:29 uguu use C++ and cgi

09:46:32 uguu lol

09:46:42 czaks ruby, php, rc, nodejs

09:46:46 >> Rainb (~rainb@E25DC287.8828B9B1.9875C37F.IP) has joined #8chan-dev

09:46:49 >> ayylmaoxD (~Soma@Rizon-5BBDAD47.dyn.telefonica.de) has joined #8chan-dev

09:46:52 czaks we wouldn't get together too well i believe

09:46:58 ~copypaste yeah, this is the problem

09:47:08 czaks this is why php is a good common ground

09:47:12 czaks but we already have php

09:47:22 ~copypaste well, n-tech's thing is laravel framework

09:47:26 ~copypaste which is PHP too

09:47:30 czaks yes

09:47:33 ~copypaste but like a confusing PHP thing lol

09:47:40 ~copypaste there's a right way to do everything

09:47:42 ~copypaste apparently

[…]

09:48:13 ~copypaste (i don't believe that for a second btw, i've worked on enough projects to know that the framework does not stop developers from being stupid lol)

Null's complaint that everyone only cares about their swinging dicks has some credibility. There are already 6 Solutions offered to Hotwheels. All people who started develop such a software except Czaks will look like a Jackass much later.

Null pitches the rewrite

09:39:28 czaks n-tech: could you describe your rewrite proposal? :P

[…]

15:54:48 n-tech copypaste, let me get my eyes in and I'll write up an explanation of some things.

[…]

15:57:07 n-tech I'll preface this by explaining why I'm so strongly for a rewrite, as it's probably my weakest point and a personal preference.

15:57:39 n-tech I worked for a company for 4 years that had this sort of infastructure. There was very few class objects, absolutely no model system, no controller system. The file you requested in the URL bar was exactly what you got.

15:58:21 n-tech I worked my ass off trying to bring a little more cohesion to the code base and once we got new bosses and more devs who were more familiar with MVCs we started to see things come together a little better, but we still never had a proper MVC. Everything was just sort of done however the author pleased.

15:58:37 n-tech And that was in a common that handled billions of dollars and has 10 developers when Ileft.

15:59:07 n-tech There is absolutey no hope of randos in their free time being able to pull this 5 year old codebase out of the muck and make it work better. That is not a realistic situation. I don't care how many bitcoins you have, you will never accomplish that.

15:59:49 n-tech When I mentined the rewrite at firsy you were pretty psyched about it and reasonably so. Just yesterday you remarked on an issue where czak himself admitted there is no way for something to be done.

16:00:21 n-tech Right now there are multiple issues and requested features that are *literally impossible to do* because of various, crippling architecture failures that made up the foundation of vichan and tinyboard.

16:00:37 n-tech And the only reason to keep them around is because X person wants to or it's what people are more familiar with.

16:00:41 n-tech Yes, Laravel has a learning curve.

16:01:07 n-tech No, it's not as free flowing or ez game ez lyfe as just sitting down and writing whatever radom series of global functions and straight SQL you want.

16:01:14 n-tech But is it better? By fucking lightyears, dude.

[…]

16:02:09 n-tech In only 3 weeks or so I've been able to layout an immense amount of functionality. The model and controller work is insanely straightforward. THe way databases are built and upgraded is laughably simple compared to the nightmaris bullshit we suffered through with even our most recent update.

16:02:17 n-tech All the HTML is being done right, all the CSS is being done right and organized

16:02:29 n-tech There is a built in translation system that doesn't suck ass

16:02:45 n-tech Eveything you've ever fucking wanted is right there, built into the framework, by people way more smarter than I am.

16:02:56 n-tech I just sit there like a kid with a big bucket of legos and put them all together.

16:03:05 n-tech And it'd work th same for anyone who made the effort.

16:03:34 n-tech I know it's really scary comiting to something brand new by a guy you really don't know, but your enthusiasm when I brought it up and started going along is what got me so excited and motivated to work on it.

16:04:09 n-tech To have you back down once I am starting to show results just because some dude linked you to a 15 year old article about netscape is really insulting, and a massive blow to the project.

16:05:00 n-tech I mean right now, at this moment, there is a feature on Larachan that is not possible on 8chan.

16:05:20 n-tech If you make a post you will see a personal delete button under that post if your IP continues to match.

16:05:41 n-tech Now you can nitpick that feature, but my point is that is not something you can do in vicha without JS hacks.

16:06:00 n-tech You can never, ever have that because of the most perplexingly terrible caching system I've ever seen.

16:06:56 n-tech And fuck dude, if the god damn way it stores html and attachments isn't reason enough to look for a new system, there's nothing I can say to change your mind. Nothing is a bigger persuasive force than reality.

16:07:02 n-tech @copypaste

We have almost solved it

16:28:40 ~copypaste The reality is really bad, but I did at one time (almost) bring dyanmic read.php to vichan

16:28:51 ~copypaste (Thanks for the highlight btw)

16:29:01 ~copypaste I'm looking for that commit

16:30:45 ~copypaste here we are: https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity/commit/faa51accaa860e543c5c2d97661925cb79eb606a

16:31:08 ~copypaste https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity/blob/faa51accaa860e543c5c2d97661925cb79eb606a/read.php almost became the routing system

16:31:28 ~copypaste unfortunately when pushed live this commit failed. but it was so close to working. it worked fine locally [and would likely continue to do so]

16:31:58 ~copypaste it failed due to something i didn't know at the time, that twig_cache + NFS spells disaster.

16:33:01 ~copypaste This is btw a naive routing system based heavily on mod.php with a lot of cruft removed though.

16:33:20 ~copypaste The idea would have been to eventually merge read.php and mod.php into a routing.php if it was successful

16:34:11 ~copypaste i actually wonder what would happen if i brought back read.php come to think of it. we have varnish now, which we did not have in nov 2014.

16:34:29 ~copypaste and i disabled twig_cache.

16:35:50 n-tech It just sounds like another work around. You could cobble together a few new features on this and extend the longevity of the project by some time.

16:35:58 n-tech I just don't understand the sudden and stark change of opinion.

16:35:59 ~copypaste That's just the thing. I've *almost* solved all the problems before. We almost fixed the schema too.

16:36:04 ~copypaste Almost.

16:36:39 ~copypaste Unfortunately back then 8chan was a quick moving target. When fourfivesix submitted his patch it was already out of date and I kicked the can for too long before he left ;_;

16:36:50 ~copypaste I think lancee is him though so it could still happen.

16:37:01 ~copypaste What else was mentioned…

White whale, holy grail!

So be it! To web 2.0 and beyond!

http://pastebin.com/JD6cWq3a

Let's rebrand it

16:45:44 ~copypaste btw. The name "larachan" is awful. "infinity" is much cuter sounding.

16:45:48 ~copypaste Most IB software is named after anime girls.

16:45:49 [Desu] ^

16:45:58 n-tech lol.

16:46:11 [Desu] then again, lara is still pretty cute

16:46:11 n-tech I can name it Mokotochan and make the Watamote girl my logo.

16:46:16 ~copypaste lol

16:46:17 [Desu] lol

16:46:21 [Desu] you mean tomoko

16:46:23 ~copypaste ^

16:46:24 n-tech oh yeah

16:46:26 [Desu] lol

16:46:28 n-tech see i'm not an anime person

16:46:31 n-tech but that anime i liked

16:46:34 ~copypaste not even chan. Just "Tomoko" as the engine name.

16:46:34 [Desu] makoto makes me think your gunna make it sailor jupiter

16:46:38 [Desu] kek

16:46:40 ~copypaste There's Fuuka, Yotsuba, Kusaba, Tomoko.

16:46:43 [Desu] id expect it to fall apart

16:46:47 [Desu] there's also desu

16:46:49 ~copypaste Anime girl chan names. Tinyboard was actually a break for that.

16:46:52 [Desu] which hasn't been updated in fuck ever

16:46:56 n-tech our 404/403/500 page would be the GIF where she's tearing up panties.

16:47:08 [Desu] actually, tomoko would be a good board software name

16:47:08 ~copypaste lol, actually, custom 404 pages are a big deal to them

16:47:11 ~copypaste we have like 100 404 images

16:47:13 ~copypaste on 8chan.

16:47:20 ~copypaste so i'd just carry those over ( ???)

[…]

16:48:48 n-tech tomoko is closer to my hear tho even tho i mix her name up. uguu ~

16:48:51 n-tech heart*

16:48:54 [Desu] lol

16:49:18 ~copypaste But yeah the name is really bad imo. Like "Larrychan". Whos' larry? :^)

16:49:22 ~copypaste I get it, laravel, but still

16:49:24 [Desu] so larachan using stripe?

16:49:29 ~copypaste wtf is laravel framework even named after

16:49:31 ~copypaste [Desu]: yes it is

16:49:34 [Desu] noice

16:49:35 ~copypaste he somehow got approved immediately lol

16:49:41 [Desu] stripe for 8chan when copypaste? ( ???)

[…]

16:58:00 ~copypaste I'll probably finish this migration from 8archive to infinity schema, then we can do another one to larachan [pls new name, infinity-next maybe ( ???) ]

Here you have it. The brand Infinity-Next was Hotwheels' idea.

Null is almost hired

16:52:08 n-tech I could fly north to visit copy and we'd work on it together

16:52:11 [Desu] id bug the fuck outta weedy

16:52:11 n-tech would be fun

16:52:18 ~copypaste That's a good idea. I know the current schema really well

16:52:18 [Desu] if it could migrate desuchan

16:52:27 [Desu] n-tech your in asia?

16:52:31 n-tech nah, aussie

16:52:31 ~copypaste Aus

16:52:36 [Desu] ahhhh

16:52:39 n-tech I have a friend 30 minutes from you too

16:52:47 n-tech Satan, he's a really nice guy, has a kid and a flip wife

16:52:52 n-tech we could get really high and drink coffee

16:52:55 [Desu] dat name tho, made me laugh

16:52:58 n-tech :D

16:53:08 n-tech his daughter's name better be Lucy is all I gotta say

16:53:21 ~copypaste hard to find that here

16:53:25 ~copypaste my intereseted is already picqued ( ???)

16:54:47 ~copypaste Not only that…read this n-tech

16:54:51 ~copypaste I have two migrations to do now.

16:55:00 n-tech oh?

16:55:25 [Desu] donated

16:55:27 ~copypaste https://8ch.net/operate/res/1771.html#17080

16:55:46 ~copypaste 8archive has a completely differnt, incompatible schema.

16:55:50 [Desu] ill shill my fundraiser in return

16:55:51 [Desu] http://www.gifttool.com/athon/MyFundraisingPage?ID=2240&AID=3011&PID=496562

16:56:23 ~copypaste lol that image, me banned

16:56:24 ~copypaste mfw

16:56:36 [Desu] oh, copypaste, if your doing 8archive, please make sure alt 0127 is searchable

16:56:44 [Desu] yeah, good times, when you were the biggest troll on /mai/, i miss that

16:56:51 [Desu] i miss that a lot -u-

Furthermore they spitballed some migration stuff. With this the day ends. The following 3 days are going to be a tough read. Especially May 13 the first Janiteam sized one. I am not sure if I can make it this evening.

2015-05-11

Start of the Infinity Next project

07:31:10 ~copypaste (????`)~

07:32:20 ~copypaste so

07:32:31 ~copypaste n-tech is working on a new infinity version, a rewrite

07:32:52 ~copypaste i was pretty skeptical at first but i decided to support it after reading his well thought out writeup of the problems ( https://infinitydev.org/ )

07:33:34 ~copypaste i pledged 2.5BTC of the 10BTC donation upfront, which i paid in tx b91521d4dede5cf6208f08ca75800997addb887e63c67c325092df822c8cc0f9 , and which secured a rename from "larachan" to "infinity-next"

07:33:54 ~copypaste the new software will be AGPLv3

07:34:24 ~copypaste and will have many of the infrastructure problems solved

07:36:55 uguu will it have a way to look like the shitty yotsuba clone that we have now?

07:37:21 ~copypaste yes.

07:37:24 uguu yaaay

07:37:25 ~copypaste yes it will

07:37:32 ~copypaste that will also be default.

07:37:36 ~copypaste at least on 8ch.net. lol

07:38:08 ~copypaste uguu: there will also be a DB migration, so your work isn't affeected.

07:38:13 ~copypaste if you decide to move it will just werk[tm]

07:38:15 n-tech burichan will return and defeat the salmon pink enemy of freedom

07:38:57 uguu :>>>

07:39:00 uguu yaay

07:41:21 ~copypaste we're going to make an /operate/ post, i recommended n-tech first implement image posting though

07:41:35 ~copypaste i can see it now. 500 replies of ">imageboard without images"

07:42:08 n-tech I'm doing that now. Give me a few hours.

07:42:11 ~copypaste okies

07:44:50 uguu why does it use stripe?

07:45:05 ~copypaste there's a crowdfunding part as well. you don't need that and can just delete it

07:45:07 uguu if you implement images make sure to implement bans first

07:46:59 uguu why is it using backslashes?

07:47:08 uguu @,@

07:47:28 ~copypaste uguu: where

07:47:53 uguu all over the place

07:48:01 ~copypaste namespaces probably.

07:48:02 ~copypaste lol

07:48:29 ~copypaste i think laravel makes heavy use of PHP's OOP

07:48:36 uguu >.>

07:48:44 uguu wtf php

07:48:59 ~copypaste yes namespaces

07:49:00 ~copypaste > use Illuminate\Foundation\Http\Kernel as HttpKernel;

07:49:02 ~copypaste that's namespaces.

07:49:12 uguu lol that's just fucked up

07:49:14 ~copypaste i'm going to be honest, i actually have no idea how namespaces work.

07:49:15 ~copypaste lol

07:49:22 ~copypaste :^)

Pls no AGPL!

09:26:21 czaks >01:33:54 <~copypaste> the new software will be AGPLv3

09:26:22 czaks plz no

09:28:04 czaks >Existing software caches in HTML

09:28:08 czaks we tried not caching

09:28:18 czaks not in html i mean

09:30:36 czaks launching php process every time is a serious problem

09:35:13 ~copypaste czaks: plz yes :^)

09:35:41 czaks copypaste: well, imo AGPL is a mess

09:35:52 czaks i like the privilege of releasing changes when i wish

09:36:38 czaks because of that, i don't even consider AGPL as a free software license :^)

09:36:57 ~copypaste OSI, FSF and DFSG all consider it as one

09:37:00 czaks well, free link software, as i call it

09:37:26 czaks we will see how it works out

09:38:04 ~copypaste ok

First doubts

http://pastebin.com/k3JBzUyS

Varnish is mandatory

09:58:57 czaks well, with varnish, it should be mostly ok, if you actually did write the code with varnish in mind

09:59:11 czaks the purge requests are needed

09:59:38 ~copypaste yes

10:00:11 ~copypaste we need to use varnish for sure.

10:00:26 ~copypaste it speeds up 8chan around 50%. invaluable software

If Null was normal, he knew that from the get go.

antispam

18:53:36 ls copypaste: agplv3 will mean you need to open source your antispam

18:57:24 ~copypaste that's fine. the current one is as well.

18:59:21 ~copypaste in my mind there are three tiers of spammers.

18:59:45 ~copypaste simple bots that crawl the whole internet and that can be stopped with a few cleverly named hidden fields

19:01:06 ~copypaste people who flood from one ip so are stopped by a flood system

19:01:26 ~copypaste and then finally dedicated people who know how to program, know how to use the dev tools to see what fields are bing sent to the browser, and know how to use open proxy lists

19:01:44 ~copypaste that last group is always going to be the most dangerous, and security by obscurity won't stop them, because that's never real security

19:01:53 ~copypaste therefore, i am okay with the antispam being FOSS.

19:02:20 ~copypaste i worked today on my portscanner thing. it's almost done.

19:02:35 ~copypaste i'm quite happy with it. it will work seemlessly with both systems if n-tech allows the event handler for posts to reject posts.

19:03:25 ~copypaste being dynamic pages, and given that n-tech built in board stats from day one

19:03:37 ~copypaste we can do so much cool stuff, like auto-enable captcha if a posting spike occurs on all threads

19:03:45 ~copypaste this stuff is not even possible in 8chan right now, not even theoretically.

19:04:14 ~copypaste i don't believe in all in security by obscurity. thanks for concern though ls.

Vichan2, The way forward

19:55:08 [Desu] so, from what i was reading, copypaste you plan to go to czaks rewrite?

19:55:21 czaks copypaste decided on n-tech rewrite

19:55:26 czaks i will be doing mine for fun

19:55:26 [Desu] herp

19:55:27 [Desu] n-tech

19:55:28 [Desu] not czaks

19:55:30 [Desu] derp derp lol

19:55:35 [Desu] sorry, its early

19:56:26 czaks ls: well, it doesn't need to be slow actually

19:56:35 czaks especially that most requests will be reading from cache

19:56:39 [Desu] ls what language was that chan in?

19:58:05 czaks and eventmachine can into 10000 concurrent connections

19:58:42 czaks and if ruby isn't too performant, we also have jruby and rubinius :^)

2015-05-12

Database models

02:22:59 uguu been playing with my huge dataset, it's useful :>

02:23:41 n-tech @ uguu I just had a frustrating experience with MySQL and I'm wondering if I did something incorrectly

02:23:53 n-tech I have a table for posts, files, and file_attachments

02:24:10 n-tech and the file_attachments table links each file to every post that has it attached

02:24:43 n-tech but there's no easy way to get like, $post->mime. I have to get the attachments and then the file for that information.

02:24:51 n-tech Which can be like, another query.

02:25:18 n-tech It just feels really shitty. I'll probably revisit it when I'm thinking more clearly.

02:26:46 uguu hm

02:26:56 uguu how does it link?

02:27:52 uguu n-tech: this is in infinity-next right?

02:30:35 n-tech yes

02:30:39 n-tech so you have

02:30:42 n-tech posts(id)

02:30:52 n-tech file_attachments(id, post, file, upload_name)

02:30:59 n-tech and file(id, hash, etc)

02:31:15 n-tech so to get attachments I have to do $post->attachments which gets the 1-to-x between post and file_attachments

02:31:24 n-tech and then for each $attachment I must also do $attachment->file

02:31:31 n-tech and that seems wasteful but I'm drawing blanks on how to do it better

02:42:09 uguu you could use a more advanced query

02:42:30 * uguu looks at code

02:48:31 uguu n-tech: can you push what you got to the current dev branch?

02:49:09 n-tech https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/blob/master/app/Http/Controllers/Board/BoardController.php

02:49:11 n-tech it's in this

02:49:22 n-tech needs to be seperated out, it's too fat now

02:49:33 n-tech actually sorry, that's the put process

02:50:28 n-tech attachments() here: https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/blob/master/app/Post.php

02:50:38 n-tech storage() here: https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/blob/master/app/FileAttachment.php

02:50:49 uguu okay

02:50:52 n-tech and this is the model for the actual information

02:50:56 n-tech ion.

02:50:56 n-tech <n-tech> Which can be like, another query.

[…]

02:51:43 n-tech FUCK sorry

02:51:45 n-tech ike, another query.

[…]

02:52:44 n-tech WOW

02:52:46 n-tech my hexchat just went apeshit ; ;

02:52:46 uguu huehuehue

First hurdles

http://pastebin.com/NEWFpfEk

More database worries

http://pastebin.com/T4nU62ic

Null gets trolled

10:59:13 czaks it generates SQL like this:

11:00:26 czaks SELECT * FROM `categories` INNER JOIN `items` ON (`items`.`category_id` = `categories`.`id`) WHERE ((`category`.`name` LIKE 'lol%lol' ESCAPE '\\') AND (`item`.`id` > 6))

11:01:50 czaks i can use association_join, because i have an association declared

11:02:25 czaks i tried doing something similar in php, well, by preprocessing php, but i can't into parsers :DDD

[…]

11:03:04 n-tech @ czaks

11:03:07 n-tech probably this

11:03:09 n-tech $this->categories()

11:03:09 n-tech ->with('items', function($query)

11:03:09 n-tech {

11:03:09 n-tech $query->where('item_id', '>', 6);

11:03:09 n-tech });

11:03:12 ~copypaste KX also supports sqlite and pgsql with same schema.

11:03:14 n-tech i'm also pretty sure there's a way to do it just like

11:03:24 ~copypaste n-tech: >getting gtrolled this easily by czaks and his ruby hipstershit

11:03:26 ~copypaste :^)

11:03:33 n-tech ->with('items', ['item_id', '>', 6]) or something but I'm not that adept yet

11:03:36 ~copypaste lmao

11:03:39 ~copypaste he's still being baited

11:03:40 ~copypaste stop

11:03:43 n-tech wat

11:03:46 n-tech HELP

11:03:48 czaks hey, i'm just asking

11:03:53 czaks how to write complex queries

11:04:07 czaks i'm curious how did php world handle that

11:04:12 n-tech yea in short it's easy. the many-to-many between posts and file storage items was something i worked out today

11:04:12 ~copypaste ah

Everyne started to use Laravel

11:27:17 rndpln everyone has started using laravel

11:27:29 rndpln ridiculous

11:27:46 czaks rndpln: i didn't :^)

11:27:57 rndpln you should

11:28:00 rndpln it's a good framework

11:28:04 czaks why

11:28:10 czaks well

11:28:16 czaks i'm not sure if it's good or not

11:28:18 rndpln eloquent is nifty and so is blade

11:28:25 czaks but php is bad enough for me so i don't need to use it

11:28:32 rndpln it's been on charts as being the proven best php framwork

11:28:38 czaks blade, hm

11:28:41 rndpln yeah I understand that

Bui got spooked

11:31:55 Bui is n-tech/`josh` also the guy who runs kiwifar.ms or am I misinformed

[…]

11:32:08 [Desu] lolidunno

11:32:12 Bui if it is

[…]

11:32:13 Bui [worry]

Another comment about the branding

12:44:22 rndpln also change your shitty name

12:44:29 rndpln should be infinity+1

12:45:50 n-tech copy stole pepsi branding

12:45:54 n-tech it used to be Larachan

12:45:59 n-tech but he wanted it to be about anime girls

12:46:02 n-tech then just said fuggg it

12:46:08 n-tech name it after infiniy and i'll support it

12:47:06 rndpln after infinity is cool too

12:47:32 rndpln you guys must smoke lots of drugs

Don't serve files per PHP!

21:45:22 uguu n-tech: the way you do files won't work, you should instead 302 to a folder that is served staticly via nginx

21:46:35 uguu n-tech: serving files via php is bad mkay?

21:47:49 uguu ima try a fix

22:03:18 ~copypaste uguu is right. You should be able to even store the media on a separate domain, lik e media.8ch.net …

22:03:30 ~copypaste Some implementation stuff needs work.

22:03:31 uguu i am doing that now

22:03:34 uguu :>

22:03:35 ~copypaste Thanks

22:03:36 ~copypaste :3

2015-05-13

Dynamic content

https://ghostbin.com/paste/4x2uk

Maybe this is why Next doesn't have many contributors

04:15:51 n-tech No, I'm holding everyone to the same standards for the expressed purpose of being unbiased.

04:16:05 n-tech There's a process. This won't turn into vichan2.

04:16:41 uguu i am saying that having everything being dynamically generated and expect caching to magically work is… insane.

04:17:19 uguu it simply won't work

04:18:01 n-tech Okay, you've said something to the affect of this 4+ times now

04:18:03 uguu the software needs a lot of optimization and i'm willing to try some but you need to give people freedom to contribute

04:18:12 n-tech "this is how it's done now, it doesn't scale, it won't work, i am going to do it differently"

04:18:16 n-tech and you're not listening to what I'm saying

04:18:27 uguu it's true tho

04:18:34 n-tech I don't care, listen to me

04:18:38 n-tech if you do something differently that's fine, i'm not saying how it's done now is the ultimate form of perfection and it won't ever change

04:18:52 n-tech I'm saying that if something is done you need to propose it, have it understood by me and copypaste, approved, and then we can build it

04:19:00 n-tech because if 4 people are doing 4 different things and nobody knows what the fuck's going on

04:19:04 n-tech it's gonna be a huge fucking disaster

04:19:24 uguu then don't accept my pr just don't be a total fagmaster about it lol

04:19:48 uguu i get what you are saying and i agree

04:20:13 uguu if you don't want to accept my pr fine just don't repremand me for trying something

04:20:37 n-tech I'm not, I like your change and I totally understand what you're saying. Give me a second to draw a picture so I can show you how I'd like the system to work

04:20:44 n-tech and I think it'd satisfy both of us

Still serving shit over PHP

07:21:48 n-tech yes it does

07:21:59 n-tech well as I said, even in a best-case where we can circumvent php

07:22:00 ~copypaste It looks better to stream the file then get it all at once

07:22:06 n-tech yes

07:22:11 n-tech you wont have to land it in mem

07:22:13 n-tech just pass chunks

07:22:20 ~copypaste I think a benchmark should be done

07:22:23 n-tech but uh, i'd stil want a php way of getting the file

07:22:25 ~copypaste Because right now there are just opinions

07:22:27 n-tech esp. if we have secure boards

07:22:31 ~copypaste Yeah

07:22:38 uguu i have a benchmarking tool

07:22:50 uguu it's for doing DoS attacks on tor sites

07:22:56 ~copypaste OK. Test latest master against your commit (on hhvm)

07:23:02 ~copypaste I can do it too if you want

07:23:14 uguu i have been using that to try and get varnish to bear most of the load and cache stuff

07:23:15 ~copypaste I don't actually know how though :^) would have to make one.

07:23:31 * uguu pastes source code

07:24:46 ~copypaste You know guys though

07:24:48 ~copypaste I was thinking

07:25:00 ~copypaste We have a lot of premature ideas about potimization before it even works

07:25:11 ~copypaste The normal motto in SW development is "Make it work, make it right, make it fast"

07:25:14 ~copypaste correct?

07:25:24 ~copypaste But it seems like (I am also guilty of) putting make it fast first.

07:25:52 uguu unit tests

07:25:54 uguu we NEED them

07:26:10 ~copypaste See for the other commit https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/issues/22

07:26:20 ~copypaste That I am working on, I talked it over with n-tech in here first

07:26:22 uguu if we want to do stuff right we should be doing test driven development

07:26:29 ~copypaste I think he would have probably been offended if I just did it

07:26:29 n-tech https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/issues/12

07:26:33 n-tech I know nothing about unit testing

07:26:40 ~copypaste topkek, me neither

07:26:40 n-tech if you could elaborate and investigate how laravel does unit testing

07:26:46 n-tech i would greatly appreciate it

07:26:48 ~copypaste like i've never even used it

07:26:49 ~copypaste ever

07:26:52 n-tech write comments on that ticket

07:26:53 ~copypaste for any project i've ever done

07:26:56 n-tech i'll read everything you link me to

07:26:58 n-tech and yea me neither

07:27:04 n-tech i left my job before unit tests became stnadard

Early migration plans'

07:31:08 ~copypaste btw. when it sort of works I'll stet up beta.8ch.net

07:31:09 ~copypaste or

07:31:10 ~copypaste oh

07:31:11 ~copypaste next.8ch.net

07:31:14 ~copypaste :DD

07:31:19 n-tech ye

07:31:26 n-tech we can do an early migration

07:31:31 n-tech let people play around for a month

07:31:36 n-tech then scrap and redo and move www to it

07:31:43 ~copypaste yea

Chrischan

07:38:38 n-tech http://i.imgur.com/YeGHEUk.png

07:39:01 ~copypaste wow

07:39:05 n-tech wew

07:39:09 ~copypaste undeniable proof chris reads the farms

07:39:10 ~copypaste lmao

07:39:21 n-tech this is the first time he's acknowledged us since the name change

07:39:23 n-tech trollin' farms

07:39:26 n-tech i died

07:39:40 ~copypaste "Enjoy my cookies, sugah!"

07:39:42 ~copypaste what?

07:39:50 n-tech cookies = boobs

07:39:53 uguu why?

07:39:53 ~copypaste oh ok

07:39:54 n-tech he's saying "have a nice look"

07:40:05 ~copypaste thanks

07:40:08 ~copypaste i don't speak autism

07:40:11 uguu but why does cookies mean boobs?

07:40:13 n-tech fluent ::DDD

07:40:16 uguu i just don't understands

07:40:17 n-tech because autism

07:41:03 ~copypaste chris would need to lose weight and get some serious reconstructive surgery to look like a woman

[…]

07:41:13 n-tech honestly

07:41:19 n-tech he looks like a really ugly 50 year old woman now

07:41:24 n-tech https://kiwifar.ms/attachments/chriss-jpg.26653/

Bui is a OK guy

07:46:15 ~copypaste Bui: didn't you spam 4chan's reports?

07:46:18 uguu it exploded and ran for 4 days

07:46:19 ~copypaste or did they not always have captcha?

07:46:21 Bui er, nope

07:46:23 ~copypaste in the modtalk leak

07:46:26 ~copypaste they mention you a lot

07:46:27 ~copypaste i read it

07:46:40 Bui they do, but I never spammed the report system

[…]

07:48:27 ~copypaste so wait Bui why were the mods obsessed with you fi you never spammed

07:48:31 uguu with that much resources i would've easily been able to sink agora or something with just slow headers for days and days and days

07:48:35 ~copypaste i find that hard to belive, unless they were blaming the actions of third parties on you

07:48:39 ~copypaste which is possible, people are dumb

07:48:45 Bui I shitpost(ed) on /vp/

07:48:47 Bui that's it

07:49:02 ~copypaste lots of people shitpost on 4chan

07:49:06 ~copypaste why the obsession?

07:49:12 Bui wish I knew

07:49:19 ~copypaste hmm

07:49:28 ~copypaste ok. sorry for bothering you

07:49:37 ~copypaste i hear all kinds of rumors of things you've done

07:49:44 ~copypaste like just read 8/furry/ sometimes

07:50:07 Bui I also nuked 4/b/ when they had captcha off few months ago, idk if that was in the leaks though

07:50:15 ~copypaste lol

captchaless posting

07:54:11 ~copypaste n-tech: you also need to think about captcha-less posting btw.

07:54:22 ~copypaste n-tech: we can do a lot of cool stuff with dynamically generated pags if we do it correctly.

07:54:25 Bui p much

07:54:29 ~copypaste for example, when a posting spike occurs, can force CAPTCHA

07:54:29 n-tech ye that's the fun of the projec

07:54:35 ~copypaste for an hour, then turn it back off

07:54:37 uguu i've wanted to do that for a long time but never found a good js engine

07:54:40 ~copypaste since we have board stats of everything.

HW's idea is a thing on Krautchan since 2009.

Secure trips

https://ghostbin.com/paste/fzp6q

What would people think if they see that?

08:50:52 uguu sometimes i can't help but wonder what people will say when they read over the irc logs 5 years down the line after someone dumps logs for some court case or stuff

08:51:10 ~copypaste dirty dang hackers

08:51:12 ~copypaste rogue developers

08:51:13 * uguu waves hi to the future camers

08:51:16 * uguu waves hi to the future camera

08:51:19 ~copypaste using the g-d given shit by intel for bad

08:51:33 uguu g-d dang heck

08:51:47 uguu muthufukka

08:51:57 ~copypaste kek

You are all pretty cool guys.

frameworks

09:20:49 n-tech son of a fucking bitch I'm pretty sure we'll need to write our own permission architecture. man that's a lotta work.

09:20:52 uguu the nntpd drops any articles that have the same article id

09:21:53 czaks ^ that's what i hate with frameworks

09:22:01 czaks they are good for an average usecase

09:22:08 czaks just that no usecase is average

09:22:54 uguu i usually end up rolling my own every time since frameworks don't usually have what i want/need

09:23:30 ~copypaste n-tech: i'm going to leave that to you

09:23:34 ~copypaste i took on a lot of things already to do.

09:24:09 n-tech well I wasn't like

09:24:11 n-tech shifting it off lmfao

09:24:19 n-tech i was just saying it's gonna have to be homebrew

09:24:26 n-tech not worth stealing the entry code either

09:26:12 ~copypaste i disagree with you guys btw czaks uguu re: frameworks

09:26:24 ~copypaste frameworks do 90% of the work. yes you have to write custom shit, that's part of the job

09:26:29 ~copypaste but you don't have to write verything custom

09:26:31 uguu that's like, your opinion man

09:26:32 ~copypaste like if you start from 0

09:26:33 uguu :>

09:26:34 ~copypaste :3

09:27:06 czaks well copypaste there are libraries

09:27:31 czaks which you can always join your way

09:30:24 czaks uguu: so the overchan usecase differs from the regular IB usecase by using different type of ids

09:30:57 czaks how about doing them this way:

09:31:07 uguu nothing stops the frontend from rewritting article hashes to post numbers

09:31:11 czaks we have 3 backends, ab, tor and wyc

my mind is blank

09:54:57 n-tech i need opiates

09:55:01 czaks as misbehavig people can be removed

09:55:02 n-tech my mind feels so blank right now

09:55:27 uguu you need jesus

09:55:46 n-tech there aren't any mexicans in australia :^)

10:01:00 uguu if your mind is blank put some lsd into it

10:01:07 uguu bbl bed

10:07:07 czaks drugs are bad m'kay

The permission system

https://ghostbin.com/paste/qd8zj

The rest of the day was spent discussing various FOSS things.

2015-05-15

Don't worry about the branding

09:37:35 n-tech @ copypaste

09:37:36 n-tech https://infinitydev.org/infinity/thread/10#16

09:37:42 n-tech someone rose a big issue with the name of the suite

09:38:00 n-tech he took time to write it out, figure it's worth reading

09:38:04 n-tech I have no idea who made it

09:41:13 uguu n-tech: everyone is a critic

09:41:28 n-tech to be fair he's right

09:41:32 n-tech I did want an agnostic name

09:41:37 n-tech but copy said my name sucked

09:41:38 n-tech :(

09:43:03 uguu if you are worrying about the name then there's not enough code to write

09:43:53 uguu if you're at a place were you feel that naming is more important than actual functionality then you're almost done with a release

09:47:47 ~copypaste ^

09:48:17 ~copypaste i like the name "infinity". it explains the infinite boards concept well.

09:48:25 ~copypaste so far these are the only two IB engines with user board creaetion.

09:48:34 ~copypaste (public, not proprietary. there are a few proprietary ones.)

09:48:46 ~copypaste (masterchan is one of the proprietary ones, 314chan ("Anonsaba") is the other)

09:48:56 n-tech Masterchan is proprietary???

09:49:01 ~copypaste oh yes, you didn't know?

09:49:02 n-tech the one that people shilled as being the better alternative?

09:49:02 ~copypaste it is.

09:49:03 n-tech wtf

09:49:05 ~copypaste yeah.

09:49:36 ~copypaste that's why when it went down for a month

09:49:38 ~copypaste another didn't pop up

09:49:44 ~copypaste the owner exercises strict control over it.

09:50:14 ~copypaste n-tech: 8chan's software used to be just called "8chan"

09:50:20 ~copypaste i chose "infinity" to divide away from 8chan.

09:50:37 ~copypaste and renamed the repo. it was called "8chan" for a year.

2015-05-17

Next passes a first benchmark

16:57:25 n-tech http://i.imgur.com/mzpowlp.png

16:57:36 n-tech 450ms load times and i haven't even done any front-end optimizing

17:42:09 Bui <n-tech> http://i.imgur.com/OtsN19V.png

17:42:14 Bui those side ads better not be scrolling

18:04:09 uguu n-tech: you ready for me to "benchmark" infinitydev.org?

18:04:19 n-tech goooooood morning

18:04:21 dusty WHat is all this bitcoin GARBAGE

18:04:22 dusty FUCK OFF

18:04:30 n-tech @ Bui, no, they're not

18:04:43 n-tech @ uguu sure, just keep in mind it's running on the same server as a large website.

18:04:59 uguu which one?

18:05:07 n-tech infinitydev.org runs on the same server as kiwifar.ms

18:06:06 n-tech fuck i lost my train of thought

18:06:09 n-tech ; ;

18:07:25 uguu n-tech: here comes the storm

18:07:39 n-tech wait are you dos'ing the site

18:08:41 uguu benchmarking

18:09:19 uguu DoS would be a lot worse

18:12:12 uguu no noticable difference

18:12:17 uguu test passed :>

18:14:25 n-tech what page did you test and what's average time

18:15:26 uguu i hit /test/ and reloaded it a few times, no noticable diff

18:16:05 n-tech oh really? so even your benchmarking software reports 450ms?

18:16:06 n-tech that's awesome

18:16:44 uguu no noticable difference doesn't mean no difference

18:19:21 n-tech https://infinitydev.org/infinity

18:19:23 n-tech capcodes added

18:19:27 n-tech they work a little differently now

I already know from the beta how they work. You choose caps you are allowed to use according to your role from a drop down menu in the post form.

Kiwifarms

18:28:24 n-tech @ uguu I think the project may face financial issues.

18:28:43 n-tech like if I'm forced to work full time again I dunno how long it'll take to get done.

18:28:54 n-tech People who know me are trying to sabotage things already. I fear that may impact it.

18:29:25 n-tech I dunno what to expect though. People are weird.

18:36:20 Bui not sure how to feel about the admin of edgeforums developing infinity tbh

18:36:44 n-tech edge forums? that's new.

18:37:09 n-tech people on the site just observe weirdos. i run it because i like the people and enjoy the challenge.

18:37:28 n-tech i've learned more about running a website from it than i ever did from my job

18:37:46 Bui observe != obsess over (^:

18:38:06 n-tech it depends entirely on your perspective and varies from person to person.

18:38:21 n-tech it's like a tv show imo. i only tune in when something big happens.

18:38:29 n-tech 99% of what goes on on the forum is unnoticed by myself.

18:38:33 n-tech i only see what is shown to me.

[…]

10:01:52 ~copypaste Bui: Edgeforums admin is a big step up from STI tbh.

Hotwheels' comment came in 2 days later.

2015-05-19

What does STI even mean?

20:42:48 uguu sti == stupid tinyboard inventor?

20:44:24 n-tech mean

20:44:48 uguu no really, what is sti?

20:45:27 uguu single time investment?

20:55:57 uguu stupid tiny idiot?

20:57:33 uguu sex through insight?

20:57:48 uguu septic tank inspector?

20:58:07 uguu scientific testing incentive?

20:58:26 uguu somebody that's irate?

21:00:00 uguu semiconductive temperature indicator?

21:04:01 uguu singleton transient idiom?

21:04:09 uguu someone plz tell me what sti means

21:04:37 uguu n-tech: halp

21:06:42 n-tech Save the Internet

21:06:55 uguu oh

21:07:01 uguu never would've guessed

21:07:17 ~copypaste lmao

21:07:21 n-tech septic tank inspector was my favorite

21:07:32 ~copypaste i like "single time investment"

21:07:37 ~copypaste describes tinyboard most succintly.

21:07:38 uguu ;-;

The technological reality of image boards

https://ghostbin.com/paste/zwy6m

font sizes

https://ghostbin.com/paste/uvedk

Null and Lynx meet for the first time

22:44:38 StephenLynx n-tech, will the rewrite cache uploaded files?

22:45:08 n-tech as in, permanently store them with md5 uris so redundant uploads don't happen?

22:45:11 n-tech that's already done

22:45:25 StephenLynx no, cache the content so the disk won't be hit as much?

22:46:03 n-tech That might be a good idea. I don't know enough about that sort of thing to do it without researching first, though

22:46:12 n-tech The file system obviously needs a lot of fine attention once the audience grows

22:46:17 n-tech i'm worry about a crash tomorrow tbh lol

22:46:31 n-tech worried*

22:46:35 StephenLynx I use mongo to store files, it has its own cache and cache management.

22:46:46 @linear https://8ch.net/tech/src/1432010687557.png

22:47:21 StephenLynx because from what HW told me on two occasions, the main bottleneck he had was on disk usage.

22:47:46 n-tech i've experienced the disk io bottleneck both with my own website and at my job

22:47:52 n-tech it's a very expensive and hard to deal with problem

22:52:20 @linear n-tech: boxes on the right?

22:52:31 n-tech what boxes

22:53:49 @linear in the preview image you linked

22:54:10 n-tech https://infinitydev.org/

22:54:12 n-tech view it live here

22:57:41 @linear I have JS off but I don't see anything in them

22:57:46 @linear I was curious if they were intended to be ad slots?

23:07:39 StephenLynx https://infinitydev.org/contribute n-tech from what I understand here, you estimate a month's work worth 2 thousand dollars?

23:07:56 n-tech no, but that's what people told me to write.

23:08:03 StephenLynx ah

23:08:05 n-tech I work 16 hours a day and spend about $300 a week

23:08:08 n-tech but if I wrote

23:08:10 n-tech $5/hr

23:08:12 n-tech $1400/mo

23:08:16 n-tech people would think im full of shit.

23:09:45 n-tech pricing my work is hard because everyone is very critical of these fundraisers now

23:09:49 n-tech i just want enough to get by.

23:09:54 n-tech i don't care about anything except programming.

23:10:30 @linear nice

23:10:36 @linear so

23:10:36 StephenLynx it seems that where you live is expensive.

[…]

23:34:49 StephenLynx how do you reply to a thread on the rewrite?

23:35:00 StephenLynx or enter the thread's page?

23:35:56 StephenLynx why does it takes an arbitrary number after the board name but a string will give a 404 page?

23:37:09 StephenLynx is there a reason for the /res/ between the board name and thread page in the current version? (http://8ch.net/tech/res/9176.html for examle)

23:37:43 StephenLynx couldn't it be tech/9176.html?

23:41:59 StephenLynx ah

23:42:16 StephenLynx it serves files using the same subdomain

2015-05-20

Yotsuba

09:15:32 ~copypaste also n-tech, here's leaked Yotsuba: http://www.9ch.in/overscript/files/yotsuba.txt

09:15:46 ~copypaste I believe it's totally rewritten, but this is what i was talking about.

09:15:58 n-tech WHAT THE FUCK IT'S ONLY ONE FILE

09:16:03 ~copypaste yeah.

09:16:14 n-tech if($_COOKIE['4chan_auser'] && $_COOKIE['4chan_apass'] && ($_POST['mode']=='usrdel'||$_GET['mode']=='latest')) {

09:16:14 n-tech // ok

09:16:14 n-tech }

09:16:17 n-tech omfg

09:16:29 ~copypaste if(file_exists('/www/global/lockdown')) {

09:16:30 ~copypaste lol.

09:16:41 n-tech every line of this

09:16:42 n-tech is bad

09:16:46 n-tech even the first line

09:16:47 n-tech <?

09:16:52 n-tech this would break under standard distributions of php

09:16:54 n-tech the first fucking line

09:16:56 n-tech would break

09:16:58 n-tech that is IMPRESSIVE

09:16:59 ~copypaste well n-tech, i have an unproven theory

09:17:06 ~copypaste that Yotsuba has undergone a complete rewrite just like what we want to do

09:17:14 ~copypaste lots of shit got added, the API, et cetera

09:17:21 ~copypaste this old infrastrucutre would not allow that

09:17:27 ~copypaste i think they have a frontend controller now

09:17:33 ~copypaste i think desuwa rewrote everything.

09:17:40 ~copypaste you're our desuwa ( ???)

[…]

10:13:36 Jesus yotsuba.txt looks like shit because it's been cobbled together from 2002-2010/2011-ish, no php code in development could survive that timeframe without looking that way

10:14:06 Jesus it's the result of various mods taking turns raping futallaby

10:14:14 Jesus throughout the years

10:15:23 Jesus the orginal 2chan script is a one file

10:15:31 Jesus 4chan is a mod of a mod of a mod

10:15:39 Jesus or was

10:16:22 ~copypaste same as us

10:16:27 ~copypaste hopefully we turn into "was" too

10:16:36 ~copypaste vichan is a mod tinyboard, infinity is a mod of ivchan :^)

10:19:18 Jesus http://jun.2chan.net/h/futaba.php.txt

10:20:03 n-tech copy, can I get some sort of role that lets me tripfag in /operate/

A sales pitch for /operate/

09:18:33 n-tech I don't think anyone is going to contribute cash to the project from 8chan.

09:18:50 n-tech All feedback I've gotten from people is overwhelmingly negative. They don't want anything new.

09:19:14 ~copypaste #8chan is a troll channel

09:19:26 ~copypaste who cares what they say lol

09:19:35 ~copypaste i'll make a sticky on /operate/ if you want anyway

09:21:01 n-tech yeah, there's nothing more I can do to prepare it

09:21:06 n-tech this is how it is and what it looks like

09:21:11 ~copypaste gr8

09:21:21 ~copypaste would you like to write the sticky salespitch, or should i?

09:21:30 ~copypaste i think you're better suited, i'm not so good at sales :^)

09:21:52 n-tech wait

09:21:56 n-tech yea

09:22:03 n-tech let me tweak a few final things

09:22:09 n-tech and I'll write up a synopsis

09:22:19 ~copypaste ok

09:24:53 ~copypaste n-tech: every day on /operate/ there are requests that cannot be filled without a rewrite

09:25:03 n-tech yeah that's my plan

09:25:07 n-tech go down the first few pages

09:25:11 n-tech take the big unanswered tickets

09:25:23 n-tech and just say "This is why copypaste didn't respond to this thread: it's impossible. We can do it on this software."

09:25:32 ~copypaste lots of board owners also want to merge their accounts

09:25:35 ~copypaste again, that can't be done either.

09:26:09 ~copypaste the few trollsin #8chan don't really even use the site, they just fuck around in that channel and give linear grief

09:26:20 ~copypaste lmao

09:26:47 n-tech wait

09:26:47 @linear lol

HW likes the new Software

09:44:33 n-tech @copypaste

09:44:39 n-tech an actual email to my mom

09:44:40 n-tech http://i.imgur.com/vdczLeg.png

09:44:51 ~copypaste lol

09:45:25 ~copypaste oh you made it 12px :3

09:45:33 ~copypaste good job n-tech

09:45:34 ~copypaste i like it

09:45:51 ~copypaste really neat actually

09:46:26 ~copypaste this is really good looking already

09:46:33 ~copypaste this is already more feaetureful than say wakaba

09:46:35 ~copypaste for example.

09:46:35 ~copypaste lol

09:46:58 n-tech yeah it's only a month's worth of work too

09:46:59 ~copypaste wakaba has no built in captchas or multifile.

09:47:43 ~copypaste i like it

09:47:56 ~copypaste i ended up cpoying a laravel 5 plugin right

09:48:02 ~copypaste so i'm using that to make my own

09:48:02 ~copypaste lol

09:48:27 ~copypaste http://infinitydev.org/test/thread/68#77

09:48:28 ~copypaste lmao

09:48:38 ~copypaste fast post, and a little "Delete" thing

09:48:40 ~copypaste this is p ebin

09:49:34 Jesus wakaba has captcha.pl

09:49:47 ~copypaste isn't that kareha?

09:49:50 ~copypaste they aren't the same.

09:49:51 Jesus yes

09:49:58 Jesus I thought wakaba had it too, nevermind

Next's frontpage is by Nunu

10:35:41 ~copypaste n-tech: what do you think of this design? https://media.8ch.net/operate/src/1432081062241-1.png

10:35:43 ~copypaste i like it

10:35:47 ~copypaste a lot actually

10:35:52 ~copypaste the only thing i would change is o "Recent images".

10:35:56 n-tech is that nunu's front page?

10:35:58 ~copypaste yes

10:36:03 n-tech yeah i've been emailing him for weeks

10:36:11 ~copypaste good

10:36:48 n-tech I do like that, though

10:36:51 n-tech I did want the images somewhere on it

10:36:55 n-tech I think I mentioned it to him at some point

10:37:53 ~copypaste maybe if we choose a few safe boards

10:38:01 ~copypaste i however do not like the idea of CP on the homepage

10:38:10 ~copypaste quite honestly, i wouldn't include it at all

10:38:20 ~copypaste masterchan.org basically has a gallery of CP on their homepage at all times.

10:38:34 ~copypaste due to this system

10:38:47 ~copypaste Today is no exception.

10:38:56 ~copypaste i can't believe that place si still open lol

10:38:59 ~copypaste ecatel.info must be a good host

10:40:47 ~copypaste and not just that.

10:40:51 ~copypaste horsecock, beheadings, et cetera

10:41:03 ~copypaste you can post like "SFW only", but who will properly tag themselves?

10:41:42 n-tech I think that

10:41:44 n-tech with the SFW tag

10:41:58 n-tech we could moderate it such that if any board does a poor job of keeping nsfw content off

10:42:06 n-tech we can strp them of that flag and they can't re-add it

10:42:24 ~copypaste i dunno m80

10:42:36 ~copypaste i really don't like the recent images thing

Masterchan

10:42:38 n-tech Posts below were reported. If they contain links, they are most likely to sites filled with pop-up ads.

10:42:39 n-tech Do not attempt to open any links, or you risk giving money to spammers.

10:42:41 n-tech hollllyyyy shit

10:42:44 n-tech this is such an awful system

10:42:52 ~copypaste where'd you see that?

10:43:03 n-tech I clicked on a picture of Elliot Rodgers

10:43:10 ~copypaste oh yeah

10:43:16 ~copypaste mchan has a few big problems

10:43:20 ~copypaste proprietary first

10:43:22 ~copypaste relies on recpatcha

10:43:25 ~copypaste weird reporting system

10:43:38 ~copypaste "Post violates Global Rule #1" but it isn't deleted, BO's can set that

10:43:39 ~copypaste um

10:43:43 ~copypaste "Global threads"

10:43:47 ~copypaste no custom CSS or board options

10:44:01 ~copypaste yeah i'm not a huge fan, just musing about what would happen and learning from their mistakes

>>519

>click those image links

>read it as Pigdom Website Speed Test

2015-05-21

Laravel's database interaction

20:29:12 StephenLynx what kind of framework is this that limits your database options?

20:29:13 n-tech I'm admittedly worried though

20:29:18 n-tech It doesn't

20:29:24 n-tech If you want to build a contract or find one

20:29:30 n-tech you can potentially support any number of databases

20:29:41 n-tech but or text files if you want. it doesn't give a shit

20:29:52 n-tech but it's OBD works a specific way to avoid having to write SQL multiple times.

20:29:56 uguu as long as laravel supports it right?

20:30:03 n-tech no. it doesn't need that.

20:30:09 n-tech you can write a contract and make laravel support anything you want

20:30:15 n-tech you can write a plain text storage engine contract

20:30:19 n-tech it doesn't care

Stephen Lynx shills mongo DB

https://ghostbin.com/paste/98dxc

2015-05-22

Robot 9000

00:04:22 pantsuwotaberu Hello.

00:04:32 pantsuwotaberu Who'se dick I gotta suck to get a ROBOT 9000 script?

00:05:06 pantsuwotaberu n-tech: I heard you could help me with some stuff.

00:05:10 pantsuwotaberu I have bitcoins, maybe.

00:53:36 Jesus just warning everyone here tha StephenLynx is an idiot

00:53:42 Jesus wait

00:53:47 Jesus I was scrolled up

00:53:52 Jesus nvm

00:57:36 Bui robot9000 was already implemented in tinyboard afaik

00:57:42 Bui it's just not enabled on any boards

01:00:31 pantsuwotaberu Bui: I don't remember seeing it as an option.

01:00:56 Bui yeah, it isn't an option, but it's in the code

01:01:31 pantsuwotaberu How much work would it be to enable it?

01:02:27 Bui whatever much work it takes for someone to submit a PR

01:02:39 pantsuwotaberu Ah caint do that.

01:02:43 pantsuwotaberu I'm not on github.

01:27:30 StephenLynx I noticed a page doesn't use http code 304, n-tech

01:27:33 StephenLynx is that intended?

>>524

The logs are getting better and better for /cow/. I am already talking about the stuff I find on the channel. I have given up making Bonus space bux in ED: Horizons for that.

Haskell

https://ghostbin.com/paste/e8xgs

I leave it at this.

first complaint's about Nunu's design

13:09:10 n-tech that'd be a funny board

13:09:18 n-tech the entire gimmick is that any image has to be 8kb or smaller

[…]

16:25:53 n-tech i was not prepared for this autism

16:26:12 n-tech like this dude is busting my balls over the design and i just keep saying

16:26:17 n-tech im not working on the design

16:26:20 n-tech and he interprets that as like

16:26:21 n-tech an insult

Wizchan

https://ghostbin.com/paste/tqeho

Server hosting

21:16:43 StephenLynx if 2c says "jump" HW would ask "how high"

21:17:03 StephenLynx n-tech I could get a single server with 64 ram and 1tb for 100 EU

21:17:04 pantsuwotaberu hotwheels would ask "does anyone have a spring or some explosives?"

21:17:07 pantsuwotaberu because he is a cripple

21:17:10 pantsuwotaberu who cant jump

21:17:17 StephenLynx thats the joke.

21:17:22 n-tech stephenlynx, 8ch transfers 100tb monthly

21:17:31 n-tech how much is 100tb of bandwidth

21:17:33 StephenLynx this server has unlimited bandwitdh

21:17:39 n-tech """""UNLIMITED"""""

21:17:41 StephenLynx 1tb is the storage.

21:17:44 n-tech """""""""""""UNLIMITED""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

21:17:47 n-tech nah. nah they don't.

21:17:51 n-tech unlimited doesn't exist

21:17:51 uguu n-tech: that's a lot of transfer

21:17:57 StephenLynx http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedibox-xc

21:17:57 n-tech unlimited === more than the average person will ever use

21:18:08 n-tech i'm telling you right now they don't offer unlimited shit

21:18:10 StephenLynx "Traffic Unmetered"

21:18:12 n-tech they will tell copypaste to cough up

21:18:25 n-tech any company

21:18:31 n-tech saying they offer UNLIMITED bandwidth

21:18:34 n-tech is a fucking liar and shady as shit

21:18:35 StephenLynx ok, them point me the fine print where they tell they actually limits it.

21:18:39 StephenLynx then*

21:18:46 StephenLynx I see no '*' there.

21:18:47 n-tech they don't need to fine print that shit, dreamhost does the same thing

21:19:20 StephenLynx they explicitly tell you they don't limit and do otherwise? thats a contract breach, isn't it?

21:19:20 pantsuwotaberu how the fuck does this jewery work?

21:19:45 n-tech I don't know how it works, I'm assuming you could potentially sue them for false advertising but they may be very clever about it

21:20:01 n-tech "we charge nothing for bandwidth unless your connection affects other costumers on our service"

21:20:05 n-tech then at the 1tb/mo mark that happens

21:20:09 n-tech and they force you to upgrade or leave

21:20:17 n-tech not technically a breach of contract

21:20:27 StephenLynx again, they tell its unmetered.

21:20:39 StephenLynx if they tell you "yo, you using too much"

21:20:42 StephenLynx thats a breach.

21:20:50 n-tech not if it's written as i described

21:20:57 StephenLynx then where is it written?

21:20:59 n-tech they don't have to say anything about why it's affecting other customers

21:21:07 StephenLynx they do.

21:21:13 n-tech i'm not going to read their contracts for you but i am promising you that unlimited is scam

21:21:13 StephenLynx if they are contradicting themselves.

21:21:32 uguu do they offer unlimited bandwidth if i use it for DDoS or get DDoS'd?

21:21:42 n-tech see this

21:21:43 n-tech https://www.dreamhost.com/legal/unlimited-policy/

caching

https://ghostbin.com/paste/fwmdc

Caching has been an issue since the project started. They warned Null! They fucking warned him!

2015-05-23

Support for overchan

01:56:59 n-tech @ uguu did that make sense?

01:57:09 n-tech I'm not rejecting your idea, but I think it may be jumping the gun a little

01:57:14 n-tech We need a real API first

01:57:37 n-tech and I think the nntp stuff should read from a standardized json output

01:57:45 n-tech unless that's not possible because nntp is the format

01:58:03 n-tech in which case an API GET parameter "nntp" or something can be requested

01:58:25 n-tech my head's elsewhere at the moment, but I'd like to support overchan ecause that is My Final Solution

02:05:42 uguu that was way too much overhead IMO

02:05:57 uguu we'll discuss it later

02:09:57 StephenLynx I use a subdomain for my json API.

02:10:14 StephenLynx a sub domain could be used for nntp.

02:13:44 n-tech yeah, agree

02:13:49 n-tech i'll probably support both something like

02:14:03 n-tech /board/api/post/###

02:14:14 n-tech and api.infinity.foo/board/post/###

02:20:29 StephenLynx yeah, I was intending to use a sub.domain for form requests, only to find out sub-domains doesn't play nice with forms

02:20:56 StephenLynx now I use the top-level path for the form api.

02:21:05 StephenLynx and a sub-domain for json api.

02:21:58 StephenLynx and imo theres no need to use the pathname to indicate the board, I just put a hidden input on the forms.

02:22:13 StephenLynx so they come with the other parameters.

03:14:07 StephenLynx czaks lel that optimization stopped working, ff wouldn't send back the header unless it was the result of toString() of the date object.

03:14:19 StephenLynx at least I didn't commit :v

03:15:36 czaks StephenLynx: :^)

03:15:45 czaks use ETag instead then

Multifiles without Javascript

04:03:33 StephenLynx n-tech copypaste I noticed in the current version of infinity you cannot upload multiple files without javascript. will it be possible in the rewrite? if not, why?

04:03:50 n-tech yes, of course

04:04:02 StephenLynx k

04:04:06 n-tech there's an html attribute for <input type="files" /> called "multiple"

04:04:10 n-tech it's live on the site right now

04:04:11 n-tech go try it

04:04:26 n-tech disable js too for good measure

04:04:28 StephenLynx yeah, I asked because I just found out about this attribute now and checked the currect version.

04:04:49 StephenLynx yeah, I have a js blocking addon that I use to check what works and what doesn't on the current version

04:05:49 StephenLynx also, I got pretty interested in the fixed box without js. some css wizardy went there, I assume

04:06:25 StephenLynx I probably gonna just rip the files from the current version for templates and css.

04:06:38 StephenLynx I have no patience for that shit

Hola

https://ghostbin.com/paste/uqeqq

vichan announcement

09:03:36 czaks copypaste: https://engine.vichan.net/ see the announcement

[…]

10:00:47 StephenLynx that text on vichan.net is fucking retarded.

10:03:02 czaks StephenLynx: why

10:03:04 czaks ;_;

10:03:17 czaks could you come up with a better one?

10:03:25 czaks i thought i did my best :^)

2015-05-26

Why have you spammed /pol/, Bui?

14:02:44 LordRothschild Oh hey bui, how come you spammed pol so much?

14:03:28 Bui wanted to see how effective luminati was

14:03:47 LordRothschild luminati?

14:04:01 Bui https://luminati.io/

14:04:18 Bui access to every hola botnet ip (^:

14:04:24 Tenicu Bui is it your fault everything is ruined right now?

14:04:37 Bui yeah sry

14:04:51 LordRothschild >Tor but faster bigger and more anonymous

14:04:55 LordRothschild What's the catch?

14:05:00 Bui $20/GB

14:05:16 LordRothschild Oy vey

14:06:37 LordRothschild Is it NSA proof or do they have back doors of some sort?

14:07:03 Bui well, no, it's just a http proxy service

14:07:19 Bui Hola, the free VPN that supplies the proxies, is a botnet though

14:08:27 LordRothschild I'm kinda surprised hotwheels didn't ban you, was the spam just a test of sorts?

14:09:02 LordRothschild Then again IP bans are trivially easy to evade so it's more of a moot point

DNSBL

19:11:27 ~copypaste i'm going to leave this on until your trial expires or i come up with something better

19:11:52 Bui leave what on

19:12:01 ~copypaste i turned on dnsbl captcha for all posters

19:12:12 ~copypaste just removed the if {} :^)

19:12:35 Bui ayyy

19:13:15 ~copypaste https://8ch.net/b/res/2852104.html

19:13:22 ~copypaste they can still figure out how to post

19:13:23 ~copypaste so it's fine

19:13:47 ~copypaste fun conspiracies in that thread, i dont' even know what they're talking about

19:50:21 n-tech yo pasta

19:50:33 n-tech could anything server-side be done about the hola stuff

19:56:02 >> StephenLynx (~Stephen@Rizon-5EAC9F67.user.veloxzone.com.br) has joined #8chan-dev

20:12:09 ~copypaste n-tech: forcing CAPTCHAs during spikes like krautchan

20:12:19 n-tech ooooh

20:12:20 n-tech I like that

20:12:25 ~copypaste we can't do that though

20:12:27 ~copypaste only this.

20:12:34 ~copypaste due to design problem

20:12:52 n-tech are you talking about with vichan or conceptually on 8chan even with new software?

20:13:06 ~copypaste talking about with vichan

20:13:09 n-tech like, "people would revolt"

20:13:11 n-tech ah ok

20:13:24 n-tech yeah that's a clever idea. we can even add like

20:13:26 n-tech little text under it

20:13:54 n-tech "We are requiring CAPTCHAs because traffic for this board is 300% higher than normal."

20:13:58 n-tech something like that.

20:15:32 uguu copypaste: this is a good denial of service vector, spam site, no one can post.

20:15:40 ~copypaste indeed

20:15:46 ~copypaste i have captchas forced right now

20:15:53 ~copypaste normally the flood controls take care of this

20:16:04 ~copypaste but not when you have 5000+ fast connections

20:16:22 n-tech You can't just block or throttle Israel for a little while?

20:16:31 ~copypaste it's the whole world

20:16:34 ~copypaste i'm writing a page aebout it

[…]

20:20:04 uguu copypaste: is this bui at work?

20:20:11 ~copypaste yes, but anyone could do it

20:20:16 n-tech lol

20:20:19 ~copypaste i'm glad he made me aware of this "luminati" service

20:20:25 ~copypaste before someone else used it and didn't tell me how.

Next's weird progress

20:40:04 StephenLynx https://infinitydev.org/contribute why is "Multiple attachments" marked with a sign of "done" when its way down in the 3 group of features?

20:40:27 StephenLynx in the third group*

20:40:31 dd0 n-tech: i'm the OP of that thread, i just want a way to get new messages of small boards without refreshing 50tabs

20:40:53 n-tech Stephen, because it got done.

20:40:54 dd0 not necessarily a sidebar multi would probably fill my need

20:41:14 StephenLynx yeah, but why it got done if there are a bunch of shit before it?

20:41:27 ~copypaste because he was working on something else and found a way to do it

20:41:30 ~copypaste have you ever written software before?

20:42:02 StephenLynx have you ever sucked dick before?

20:42:16 uguu lol

20:42:19 n-tech nigga's asking the real questions.

20:42:33 ~copypaste sucked my own once, then i got too fat to do that

20:42:34 ~copypaste :^)

20:42:37 dd0 i wish i could suck mine

20:42:38 n-tech WOW

20:42:43 n-tech nigga that's gay

20:42:49 dd0 self-gay

20:42:54 n-tech auto-gay is the proper term

20:42:57 StephenLynx now i'm jelly :c

20:43:02 uguu this is why i /ignore add StephenLynx

20:43:02 dd0 >proper term

2015-05-29

Bui got famous

01:41:18 Bui tfw famous http://motherboard.vice.com/read/your-tool-to-access-netflix-content-abroad-is-hijacking-your-internet-connection

01:43:24 StephenLynx at least it seems it raised some awareness to the main issue.

01:43:43 StephenLynx "well known"

01:43:49 StephenLynx nigga, I have never heard about you before.

01:44:53 uguu congrats Bui

01:45:37 StephenLynx gold meal of shitposting :^)

01:45:42 StephenLynx medal*

01:49:40 uguu lol

01:49:51 uguu http://motherboard-images.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/22185/1432828574316687.png

02:31:50 @linear oh daer

02:31:53 @linear oh dear*

02:52:38 ls internet drama being news near me

02:54:37 ls >What Luminati?s vague website doesn?t say, however, is where these nodes come from.

02:54:43 ls it's pretty obvious once you read the api docs

02:55:18 ls anyway it's a PR disaster for hola and I'm fine with that :d

The other two days were nothing but Hola stuff. If you want to read our admins take on that incident, look no further than this:

http://irclogs.8ch.net/rizon/%238chan-dev/2015-05-27

http://irclogs.8ch.net/rizon/%238chan-dev/2015-05-28

What is this DNSBL shit?

https://ghostbin.com/paste/jyzxx

2015-05-30

overchan

03:51:54 LordRothschild Hey copypaste!

03:52:26 LordRothschild I just got a really good idea for infinity next

03:52:35 n-tech What's that, LordRothschild

03:52:50 LordRothschild You know how there's other chans out there?

03:53:15 LordRothschild If you offer infinity next software to them, maybe you could include their boards on the overall board list?

03:53:43 LordRothschild So the board list would list all the most popular boards that use infinitynext software

03:53:55 LordRothschild But the board hosting would be from different admins

03:54:10 n-tech well, part of my long-long-long term idea is something similar to that.

03:54:19 n-tech it has to do with confederating sites and boards together

03:54:28 LordRothschild So even if 8chan's servers get DDOSed, the boards of other admins would still be fine

03:54:51 LordRothschild I think that would be really cool and help integrate the community with other chans out there

03:55:10 LordRothschild What's your idea?

03:57:42 StephenLynx overchan.

03:57:48 StephenLynx its been done.

03:58:08 LordRothschild Huh, so that's how overchan works?

03:58:11 Bui LordRothschild, wouldn't that sort of defeat the purpose of 8chan

03:58:16 LordRothschild I feel kinda dumb now

03:58:26 StephenLynx it would be better to, as josh said, to add support to overchan instead of rolling yet another confederation.

03:58:27 LordRothschild What do you mean by that Bui?

03:58:37 StephenLynx it works like what you said.

03:58:49 Bui 8chan is an imageboard host, kinda

03:58:49 StephenLynx chans can communicate between themselves.

03:59:11 StephenLynx or nntpchan, I don't know for sure.

03:59:26 StephenLynx http://www.reddit.com/r/onions/comments/1zx596/nntpchan/

03:59:33 LordRothschild Well yeah Bui, but this way the infinity next software could be used for there to be multiple image board hosts

03:59:42 StephenLynx if a server goes down, all others remain there.

04:00:27 LordRothschild Why does overchan need to use NNTP?

04:00:48 StephenLynx thats the protocol they use to exchange data.

04:00:52 n-tech Bui, what's the distinction between an Overboard and a Multiboard? I thought Overboard was the one with all the site's boards, but Stephen is using it to mean a list of boards

04:01:06 StephenLynx I am not.

04:01:15 n-tech Or a site containing multiple site's boards

04:01:20 n-tech the definition is getting fuzzy

Why Null called himself n-tech

04:03:34 StephenLynx josh, are you both jaw-sh and bn-tech?

04:03:39 StephenLynx 8n-tech*

04:06:20 n-tech yes

04:06:52 n-tech The name n-tech was made up to be my 8chan identity but I threw it out after I started my project.

04:07:08 n-tech Originally I wanted to keep my involvement with 8ch separate from my work with my forum because /cow/ would find out and complicate matters

04:07:22 n-tech I decided not to care when I needed to kickstart the work.

04:07:52 dusty whats jaw-sh?

04:08:07 n-tech jaw.sh is my amazing personal website and the name I'm using for online devvie work from here on out

04:08:12 n-tech jaw-sh is my github account

04:08:14 n-tech Josh is my name.

04:08:48 Bui nice websight

04:08:54 n-tech thank you

correcting License stuff

05:36:35 czaks n-tech: btw. i don't want to start another licensing war, but in your readme, you described GPL v3.0 basically

05:36:51 czaks if you run a website with AGPL software

05:36:59 czaks this one is not true:

05:36:59 czaks You may distribute modifications of Infinity Next with the same license.

05:37:17 czaks the true thing is:

05:37:47 czaks You have to distribute modifications of Infinity Next with the same license if you run the code publically.

[…]

05:53:39 n-tech thanks, I'll correct it

05:53:53 czaks n-tech: i pushed you a pull request

05:53:57 n-tech actually I already did

05:53:57 n-tech * You *must* distribute modifications of Infinity Next under the [AGPL 3.0](http://choosealicense.com/licenses/agpl-3.0/) license in a conventional format.

05:54:01 czaks ok

05:54:48 n-tech no i mean

05:54:52 n-tech in the doc prior to your pr

05:54:56 n-tech it should say what i posted

05:55:33 czaks n-tech: well, I pushed you a pull request for a README.md file

And this is last quoteworthy part of the in my opinion most important month. With the problems appearing early on, the beta doesn't matter much.

I took another look at the lengtht of the logs from june onwards and decided to reduce the daily dumps to half a month which is roughly equal to one day in the #Janiteam. With the most important month done and apparently no one helping me out now, there is no need to rush it. Still a stroll through the park.

>>532

Yes. Someone will be interested in reading Cliff notes on what was going on the dev channel during the 9 months Larachan has been developed with the caveat that it will be the future of 8chan.

I left out a lot of noise like our devs talking about FOSS shit or Syria and of course typical IRC noise. You don't need to read it all of course. My style makes it very easy to fly over and just read the things you find interesting.

>>533

Any idea when we'll get to the stuff thats actually… interesting? You know, mostly related to Josh and such.

>>534

I have a rough idea when we get to the meat and potatoes of Null's life on Pinnoy Island. He moved to Quezon City on 30th June last year. At the same time Hotwheels distanced himself from 8chan, because PGP signing broke and he had to babysit Null all the time. Kinda reminds me of Aurini and Owen. The beta phase had its chaotic start somewhere on 30th September. The final fallout with Stephen Lynx is somewhere in November when Lynx incorrectly blamed the beta crashing on Larachan unable to handle load.

I don't know what I will find next. Maybe Josh talks about his persecution by us or find other instances of him clashing with Lynx, becaus in contrary to Czacks he is enough of a sperg to write things into a public IRC channel you wouldn't even dare to say in any public space in real life.

Any one remembers how I have posted on /tech/ that longterm trends usuall need at least a week up to a quarter to form and the Dramalogs Hotwheels have posted can therefor not be trusted as sole source? You can see it right in this thread. Because many people read such a leak for first time and pop a insane ammount of days, I'll give you a example walkthrough.

>>504 Here you see that considering rewrite has been a thing for months. Which leads to>>506 and >>508. From early on, there were doubts about Null's promises of delivering a dynamic Image Board (>>511 >>512 >>513). Dealing with Null was never easy, but he could contain his autism a the time (>>515 >>521

). Then Lynx came in and argued with people in the dev channel from the first time he came into the channel. On top of that came multiple technical and policy problems on the live software and 8chan's future software Larachan.

This all leads to things you have already read somewhere else. The pieces for these happenings have just started to move. About a month or quarter later you see some of them snapping together which results in easy to grasp development. Hindsight is always 20/20 for a reason.

>>534

It's already clear that Josh didn't know what he was doing.

>>534

Btw, there are some good chimpouts from Josh coming up.

Reading #Janiteam before breakfist ist Krieg! With this said, let's continue with our dev channel.

2015-06-01

why has Jim even partnered up with 8chan?

14:24:54 LordRothschild You know

14:25:06 LordRothschild I'm still nervous about why 2ch acquired 8chan

14:25:27 LordRothschild There doesn't seem to be any obvious profit motivation, plus they do technically own 8chan

14:53:20 Jesus it doesn't matter

14:53:59 Jesus also the owner of 2ch is a freespeecher with too much money. 8ch is a worthy investment to grow the 2ch reich

15:42:34 Bui https://8ch.net/jim/ lel

2015-06-02

Mismanaging /b/

04:46:12 LordRothschild how that is even possible I have no fucking idea lol

04:46:46 LordRothschild isn't moderating /b/ just deleting CP and letting the rest of it run wild?

04:46:53 uguu yup

04:47:11 uguu it's just newfags and pc crybabies

04:47:26 dusty >deleting cp

04:47:30 dusty you haven't been on b have you?

04:47:48 dusty he make a special thread for pedos

04:47:57 LordRothschild lol

04:51:43 uguu lol

04:52:13 uguu newfags complaining about pedo on a chan

04:52:18 uguu loooooool

04:53:43 LordRothschild I could understand other boards getting pissed

04:53:45 LordRothschild but its /b/

04:54:31 uguu even other boards, it's a god damned imageboard, pedos are a measurement of health

Let's drag the idea of /b/ as it is on halfchan into a dark forest and put a bullet into its head.

Secure trips where?

22:28:08 ~copypaste i'll publish it when the new tripcodes are in infinity-next

22:28:16 ~copypaste basically it'll be just like PGP cleartext messages

22:28:27 uguu the point of using the current spec is so you can encapsulate an entire message not just text this means attachments too

22:28:48 ~copypaste irrelevant to a database agnostic system

22:28:54 uguu with your scheme attachmetns won't be signed

22:29:10 ~copypaste the "database" with overchan is nntpd

22:29:15 ~copypaste that won't work if the backend is mysql

22:29:38 uguu can you rephrase i don't quite get it

22:30:01 ~copypaste yes

22:30:07 ~copypaste with nntp you sign -articles-

22:30:22 ~copypaste if there is no article, i'd have to make a faux-article to keep the current standard

22:30:29 ~copypaste the current standard is too rigid as it only supports articles

22:30:34 ~copypaste it should be like gpg

22:30:46 uguu articles support anything tho

22:30:49 uguu it's flexible

22:30:49 ~copypaste where you can sign anything, and have headers like Version:

22:30:52 ~copypaste no it isn't

22:30:56 uguu yes it is

22:31:05 StephenLynx wait, tripcode to sign?

22:31:05 uguu you can put images or videos or whatever inside an article

22:31:14 uguu then sign it

22:31:24 uguu then the entire article is verifiable

22:31:29 ~copypaste i'm not arguing with you about it. it simply won't work if a database is the backend and not nntpd

22:31:29 uguu including attachments

22:31:43 uguu hm

22:31:50 ~copypaste that's the problem

22:32:01 uguu my solution with srnd works arround that

22:32:16 uguu i was going to implement that but n-tech got all pissy

22:32:21 uguu so i backed off

22:32:32 uguu it can work with the database you have

22:32:34 StephenLynx implement that where? in your project?

22:32:36 ~copypaste heh

22:32:43 ~copypaste well, it's late here. nite guys

2015-06-06

where the fuck is Lynx?

12:49:58 ~copypaste i've come back twice to check if StephenLynx is here so i can answer him

12:50:23 ~copypaste people who don't use bouncers or have IRC on a VPS are pure cancer

12:50:35 ~copypaste aggravating

[…]

20:47:19 uguu copypaste: bouncers are for awesomes

[…]

21:11:16 StephenLynx I am out of the loop, but what is this thing about signing stuff?

[…]

21:13:03 ~copypaste StephenLynx: how about you stay connected

21:13:06 ~copypaste you asked me a question

21:13:15 StephenLynx I asked?

21:13:16 ~copypaste 11:30:38 StephenLynx copypaste did infinity changed how it generates the links to posts or they were always generated on the back-end?

21:13:22 ~copypaste no, tinybord had that too

21:13:25 ~copypaste it's called markup()

21:13:43 ~copypaste and it is a massive clusterfuck

21:13:46 ~copypaste i barely understand it

21:13:48 StephenLynx so

21:13:59 StephenLynx it used to be generated on the front-end?

21:14:04 ~copypaste no

21:14:07 ~copypaste it never was ever

21:14:08 StephenLynx hm

21:14:16 ~copypaste always backend. since 2010 when sti released tinyboard.

2015-06-07

Migrating user accounts

https://ghostbin.com/paste/gomgb

Am I a sperg if I find it tremendously annoying that no one is storing design documents on GIT repos?

2015-06-08

Hey Josh!

12:25:08 rndpln hey is josh in here?

12:26:56 rndpln how many hours did you spend making the contribute page

12:33:21 rndpln also should you have a strip_id and last_four associated with a user?

12:33:26 rndpln shouldn't that be a foreign key?

2015-06-09

Infinity's password system

02:04:25 StephenLynx any good reason for the password field being disabled without js of posting on infinity?

02:05:48 StephenLynx and inexistent on infinity-next?

02:06:44 StephenLynx copypaste n-tech ?

[…]

03:02:56 Bui password is in localstorage

03:03:41 Bui oh nvm I see the field

03:04:06 Bui yeah someone suggested a while ago that by default the whole post form should show, then hide the extra bit through js

03:05:14 Bui though you'd then probably have to fill the password in manually each time you post

03:12:40 StephenLynx only if you are not using js.

03:12:51 StephenLynx if you are, js could cache what you used and prefill.

03:51:30 ls >password field being disabled without js

03:51:37 ls probably because of password manager nag

04:01:03 StephenLynx so the whole password system depends on js?

04:13:47 Bui yes, unless you enter a password manually

04:14:22 StephenLynx and anybody knows why isn't a password field on next?

04:14:27 StephenLynx it depends on the user IP?

04:14:39 StephenLynx I made some tests and it recreated cookies.

04:14:48 StephenLynx isn't there*

04:15:39 StephenLynx so I assume is not just dependent on cookies, because the delete button reappeared.

04:17:40 Bui infinity-next is dynamic so yeah ip-based I think

04:25:08 StephenLynx so if your ip changes, you cannot delete?

2015-06-10

rootkits

09:06:10 uguu copypaste: how does it feel knowing your site directed someone to install a rootkit https://8ch.net/b/res/3051218.html :^)

09:09:35 ~copypaste i'm not reading this whole thread uguu

09:09:46 uguu D:

09:18:10 ~copypaste i get the gist of it thuogh

09:18:15 ~copypaste tablet rootkit installed via browser exploit

09:18:19 ~copypaste on clueless user

09:18:20 ~copypaste nice

More caching

15:39:57 ~copypaste n-tech: the new cahing doesn't work so well

15:40:09 ~copypaste i make replies on infinitydev.org

15:40:14 ~copypaste even ctrl-shift-R it doesn't show

15:40:19 ~copypaste gotta purge the key m8

[…]

17:57:37 n-tech yeah I'm aware copypaste

17:57:49 n-tech It's not triggered on certain events

17:57:55 n-tech I haven't spread them everywhere because I want to improve that system

17:58:16 n-tech I'll probably build some events for that, like system events

18:03:38 ~copypaste n-tech: i don't understand, you just have to add it to the post controller

18:03:59 n-tech There are quite a few considerations for recaching.

18:04:10 n-tech 1) New thread updates all pages of a board.

18:04:21 n-tech 2) New reply updates all pages of the board on and before where the thread is at before the reply.

18:04:29 ~copypaste mhm

18:04:41 n-tech 3) Editing a post updates the cache for that thread and the index page the thread is on if it's in the last 5 or 1 replies for unsticky and stikicied threads respectively.

18:04:46 n-tech 4) Deleting a post does the same thing.

18:04:53 n-tech 5) Mass deletion does the same thing on many threads.

18:04:57 ~copypaste well if it's a sage post it would only update the page it's on

18:04:59 ~copypaste :3

18:05:10 n-tech and if it's a sage post it only updates the page it's on. yea.

18:05:20 n-tech so there's a lot of different things that'd trigger forgetting a cache item

18:05:35 n-tech and to deal with this I want to make an event that does the cache forgetting

18:05:42 ~copypaste i see

18:05:45 ~copypaste ganbatte

18:06:21 n-tech A lot of that logic overlaps. You do 1 or 2 things for 6 different reasons. Solves having to duplicate code.

[…]

20:46:58 uguu n-tech: did you verify that infinity-next works with $notmysql ?

20:47:27 n-tech I haven't bothered to check yet. I'm not sure what copy runs it on.

20:47:49 uguu please test sqlite at least because that's what low end users will use

20:47:52 n-tech I tried setting up HHVM+PostgreSQL but HHVM required the extension to be compiled and it was throwing errors.

20:48:22 n-tech HHVM+MySQL worked very well, though. I had like 30ms pageload times on my $10 Linode server

21:14:02 ~copypaste works well for me.

21:14:12 ~copypaste i tested it on psql. i have not tested sqlite tho.

21:44:11 n-tech hahah @ copypaste

21:44:16 n-tech there's a spammer problem on infinitydev.org now

21:44:18 n-tech jesus christ

21:44:31 n-tech that didn't take long

21:44:45 n-tech I guess I can start building and testing spam tools

2015-06-12

Plebbit

https://ghostbin.com/paste/wdc5q

Next day is dominated by the same shit. Here is a quoteworthy snippet:

20:47:58 StephenLynx holy shit, the reddit board is 3rd now

21:48:38 faggetttss /intl/ autists helped with that a bit

21:49:18 uguu copypaste: are you going to dump 8chan on overchan if you run out of serverbux? @_@

21:52:47 uguu copypaste: also irc2p has an onion now if you want to hang on the largest darknet only ircnet: ogn5vbujhrvbihko.onion

[…]

23:24:43 StephenLynx I saw a post from HW about 2c trust on 8c.

23:24:51 StephenLynx Did they said something?

23:25:10 StephenLynx like "FILTHY WAITTU PIGGU NO SERVER FOR YOU"?

One aspect I want to talk about in particular are the AMAS we got there. First a clarification: Plebbit and Image Boards inherited these from Something Awful's Ask and Tell Forum. Yeah, they are a product of goon shitposting that got expelled from their random crap forum for clogging it. -BA-DUM-TISS!-

The "Celebrities" Mark brought to us are not just some famous people but goddamn gamedevs. Do you what a fucking pipe dream that was when moot and invisibro governed our shit? Nuff said.

Another thing I address here to get it out of this thread's system is the fatpeoplehate exodus which was phony and brought the Warosufags who ruined first /int/ and then /intl/ into the limelight for good. Nowadays they hang around on freech that is pretty much Warosu 2.0.

The hosting costs are taken over by 2ch with following conditions: We life from 2ch's scraps. Hotwheels is a employee of N-tech now, and Jim keeps 60 % of any profits 8chan will ever generate. If you don't know that, you haven't read 8chan's twitter in September 2014 and you are either a late comer or didn't pay attention.

You won't find the tweet in question easily either if your read it by hand. That is the thing with twatter: Everything that is older than 3 months is hidden behind a pile of tweets you have to load and you can only do it for so long until your either browser shits its pants or you lose your shit, because digging without advance search feels like torture that the deamons of hell have invented for driving the souls of Internet scum bags crazy.

2015-06-13

hosting

https://ghostbin.com/paste/x7hp7

A very long version of the stuff I have said above. This is contained in a pastebin for the sake of completeness.

Redditors

00:49:57 maksev The sort of drama 2ch has had to deal with in the past involved many more people and way more shitstorm than this. To be honest what 8ch looks like right now is pretty damn good site with a bit of growing pains due to redditors fleeing

00:50:13 n-tech I don't even get the reddit hate.

00:50:16 n-tech reddit is a shitty site

00:50:19 maksev I guess the only difference between now and the past when reddit would raid 4chan is that reddit has been censored and they are coming to stay not to raid

00:50:27 n-tech but a lot of its users aren't too different.

00:50:27 maksev Well the reddit hate is because of the identity politics people

00:50:35 n-tech like /r/coontown? really? would coontown not fit in?

00:50:45 n-tech what makes reddit so bad is that it steals other people's shit and encourages mob mentalities

00:50:49 maksev Reddit has always been a haven for identity politics (of all flavors of the spectrum left and right btw) and these are the guys that say shit like" chan culture" ect

00:50:52 n-tech you take that away from a redditor and he's just another fuck

00:50:54 maksev That is why the hate

00:51:30 maksev because channers have universally viewed those guys as cancer. Rightly so identity politics are entirely contra to the nautral chaos of an anonymous internet, they usually lead to unsavory things (like what happened to tumblr)…

Redditors are a plague, because they never lurk and have no idea how shit works here.

How should I migrate that?

04:05:30 n-tech $hash = substr(base64_encode(md5($username . $config['cookies']['salt'] . sha1($username . $password . $salt . ($config['mod']['lock_ip'] ? $_SERVER['REMOTE_ADDR'] : ''), true), true)), 0, 20);

04:05:34 n-tech god are you fucking kidding me

04:05:38 n-tech how am i going to migrate this

Lynx's take on the meta situation

https://ghostbin.com/paste/nnoa6

>Become more like moot

Pls no!

Board partnerships

https://ghostbin.com/paste/3sk2f

5 stickies

16:06:04 n-tech /fatpeoplehate/ comitted the cardinal sin

16:06:07 n-tech they made 5 fucking sticky threads

16:06:12 n-tech any board that makes 5 sticky threads is dead t me

16:06:21 n-tech we need to engineer some way to replace the 5 fucking sticky thread phenomena

16:06:49 n-tech /gamergate/'s nth incarnation always has some collage of stickies too

16:06:52 LordRothschild mmmm, I think its more of an issue with shit moderation than stickies

Next makes more progress

16:09:29 n-tech http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kiwifar.ms

16:09:30 n-tech ;~;

16:09:39 n-tech we had a huge blip because of Jace and Chris going to jail

16:09:41 n-tech back into obscurity

16:11:46 ~copypaste RIP

16:12:10 ~copypaste how's it going on that db thing btw n-tech

16:12:19 n-tech it's done my negro

16:12:23 n-tech https://github.com/infinity-next/infinity-next/issues/52

16:13:07 ~copypaste nice!

16:13:15 ~copypaste you could even extend this to support KX auth

16:13:20 n-tech ANYthing.

16:13:21 ~copypaste and any other auth

16:13:22 ~copypaste yeah

16:13:25 n-tech I stole how XenForo does it

16:13:30 n-tech Because we imported from phpbb

16:14:02 ~copypaste neato

16:14:06 ~copypaste i want to set up beta.8ch.net soon then

16:14:21 ~copypaste maybe i'll wait for you to be here for that tho

[…]

16:17:01 Bui nice n-tech you have spambots already https://infinitydev.org/test/thread/68#548

16:17:17 n-tech yea I've seen lol

16:20:04 ~copypaste i should stop being depressed and help n-tech

16:20:06 ~copypaste with next

16:20:29 * n-tech is the beacon of light upon the hill.

16:20:47 ~copypaste https://infinitydev.org/test/thread/8#551

16:20:50 ~copypaste nice this is fixed too

16:21:06 n-tech What is?

16:21:11 ~copypaste replies

16:21:13 ~copypaste clearing teh cache

16:21:26 n-tech oh no, that's probably just having to do with the cache being too old

16:21:31 n-tech there's still a few caching issues

16:21:35 n-tech I'm going to be doing that this month too

[…]

18:58:16 n-tech fuck yeaaaaa

18:58:20 n-tech password reses are working

18:58:24 n-tech mail distrib works too

18:58:29 n-tech that's such a huge load off my mind lol

Null did at least one helpful thing

16:22:43 n-tech that post got so much attention random people I didn't even know used 8chan were asking me about it

16:23:02 ~copypaste what post?

16:23:17 n-tech the one you made in /operate/

16:23:26 ~copypaste sorry. i saw you putting out the fire i started

16:23:42 ~copypaste i wasn't really exaggerating though. the bandwidth bill is out of control

16:23:46 ~copypaste i hope we can find a solution soon

16:24:55 n-tech my post was well received which is nice

16:25:01 Bui have you even asked jim? he's not threatening to kick you out, is he?

16:25:05 n-tech I think I'm starting to get friends

I can now see how Null got Hotwheels' trust for more shit so quickly. He really squiggles like a eel here. I have no idea for what.

2015-06-14

Donations

02:42:45 BilboSwaggins hey copypaste

02:42:54 BilboSwaggins what's going to happen with infinty if 8ch is kill?

03:08:38 StephenLynx infinity is getting sacked anyway sooner or later.

03:08:39 StephenLynx but

03:08:53 StephenLynx infinity next might stop too.

03:09:17 StephenLynx if josh doesn't take on the project by himself.

03:09:49 StephenLynx I don't think people would donate to HW if 8ch closed and josh get most of his donations from HW.

03:09:59 StephenLynx not to mention it wouldn't have visibility anymore.

03:10:09 StephenLynx which would keep other people from donating too.

03:10:30 StephenLynx but again, the odds of this drama making 2c cut 8c its remote, IMO.

03:10:40 StephenLynx are low*

03:12:54 maksev So

03:12:56 maksev I got mega keks

03:12:59 maksev The board owner of intl

03:13:03 maksev is posting as anon in the cow thread

03:13:09 maksev And is trying to rewrite history

03:14:04 n-tech Stephen, so far the majority of my donations have come from users.

03:14:23 n-tech Some random guy gave me $800, more than copy did for that month.

03:14:35 StephenLynx welp

03:14:42 StephenLynx I stand corrected then.

03:15:10 n-tech We wouldn't let 8chan die though. I bet we could raise $10,000 a month and get an office and a small rack.

03:15:16 n-tech in a*

03:15:31 n-tech copy said he would but that's silliness

03:15:45 n-tech everything worth doing is always difficult.

2015-06-16

n-tech >tfw infinity next doesn't have a yarn doll mascot

And over it is for today. Tomorrow you will get the other half.

2015-06-17

Web browsers

05:33:01 Bui this guy is rude https://github.com/ctrlcctrlv/infinity/issues/512#issuecomment-112331878

05:33:36 n-tech bui, yeah, fuck people like that

05:33:50 n-tech I immediately regard anyone's suggestions as being trash if they are:

05:34:02 n-tech 1) Belligerant, 2) all-capsed, 3) in that fucking red font

05:34:10 n-tech like I don't know why people can't articulate a thought without being a cunt about it

05:34:20 n-tech how do you expect me to consider your suggestion if you're going to be a child

05:34:26 n-tech but for real firefox is shit

05:35:12 dusty firefox is fucking terrible

05:35:19 dusty its going so badly down the plug

05:35:28 dusty but litearlly what else is there

05:35:31 n-tech chromium

05:35:47 n-tech take the /tech/ pill dusty, take the /tech/ pill and install gentoo and chromium

05:35:52 n-tech you have no other options

05:36:22 Bui >not using Microsoft Windows? and Google Chrome?

05:37:37 dusty >If you feel there's something essential missing in the browser that you are using, please open an issue on https://github.com/MoonchildProductions/Pale-Moon and we'll look into it

05:37:43 dusty the bug report is righ tthere you fucking idiot

05:37:52 dusty why don't OP have to go re-make on your tracker

05:38:14 dusty just make it yourself if you care about fixing bugs in your software you fucking furfag idiot

06:01:14 uguu konqueror

06:01:26 uguu seriously konqueror is the best browser

06:04:31 czaks yes, konqueror

06:06:24 czaks khtml the best engine

Also early signs of problems with Palemoon. I point out that Josh didn't know that Brendan Eich has been fired for giving money to a Proposition 8 charity at the time.

2015-06-23

Rick Sanchez for poster of the year

00:38:40 Jesus make it so you can only post on 8chan if you pass a usb breathalizer test, it's like captcha except you have to have a minimum amount of alcohol in your system to post

00:39:05 Jesus this will greatly improve posts on 8chan

00:41:16 Jesus and for people without it, you'll have to scan a bar code of the alcohol you're drinking tonight in order for your post to go through, and each bar code will give you about 6 hours worth of posting depending on what it is

01:22:08 faggetttss pls gas yourself Jesus

01:22:12 faggetttss thx

This one was fun enough to mention here. Otherwise it is not relevant at all.

2015-06-27

Livechan goes live

00:58:05 lancee StephenLynx, why so bully

00:58:16 StephenLynx because he got me on ignore :^)

00:58:32 StephenLynx so I shit talk to him to make him look like a bitch that don't even reply.

01:21:04 uguu lancee: he's an idiot that's why

01:21:09 uguu :^)

01:21:55 uguu http://i2p.rocks/livechan/ OMG IT'S WORKING

01:22:22 uguu just need to add registration and tidy up the mod stuff and it's ready for another round of asspounding

01:22:46 lancee :3

01:23:27 uguu tidying up the mod stuff will probably take a bit

01:24:30 uguu i need to make the mod interface usable and sane

01:25:27 uguu also the css is suck

01:26:00 uguu especially the thread list

03:11:28 >> LordRothschild (~waffles@oyvey.itsanotha.shoah) has joined #8chan-dev

03:36:38 StephenLynx what a coincidence, both mine and uguu's project goes live on the same day.

2015-06-29

CAPTCHAS

https://ghostbin.com/paste/za2jn

This discussion was going on on the day /intl/ was broken with baka Chaika. If you wondered why Brennan captcha was one of the few contributions of Hotwheels to next:

Making a secure Captcha that can't be broken is a very complicated task, just like porting secure trip codes. By the looks of it, Hotwheels left all simple tasks to Null.

Disk I/O

09:59:47 ~copypaste the real problem is the static pages

10:00:06 ~copypaste really 5k posts at once shouldn't crash anything for hours

10:00:09 ~copypaste but it cause I/O lockups

10:00:19 ~copypaste we really need infinity-next

[…]

10:04:41 @linear wasn't the spam just 1500pph, why is that that bad

10:04:50 ~copypaste because it causes I/O lockup :^) aren't you listening

10:04:55 ~copypaste it rewrites index.html 1500 times

10:05:11 @linear but hasn't the site lived with worse spam in the past? like with /furry/

10:05:15 ~copypaste and a ton of other pages. the thread page, the catalog, a few JSON pages

10:05:25 ~copypaste that's true. im stumped also as to what's wrong

10:05:39 ~copypaste i believe perhaps…base I/O is higher now than before.

10:05:46 ~copypaste but i don't know if that's true.

10:05:52 @linear that'd be amusing if someone found some type of small DDoS in the software and mades posts specifically to exploit it

10:06:02 ~copypaste i think that's what's happening

10:06:34 @linear that would be no fun to trace/investigate though

10:06:56 ~copypaste yeah. i don't even know where to begin

10:07:17 @linear bypass is_billion_laughs()

10:07:21 ~copypaste lol

10:07:28 ~copypaste but i believe it's I/O lockup

10:07:53 ~copypaste because during it, load averages

10:07:58 ~copypaste on the php servers got to 200+

10:08:06 ~copypaste but CPU wasn't that high

10:08:12 ~copypaste so that's I/O wait, yes?

10:08:59 @linear i guess, maybe use some fancy stuff to monitor it

10:09:19 ~copypaste read.php failed due to the on-disk twig cache

10:09:39 ~copypaste it might not be an I/O problem, but bugs in NFS

10:10:18 @linear back to 4100 pph

10:10:23 @linear copypaste: someone asked if they could have a db backup of their board

10:10:43 ~copypaste Total DISK READ : 4.52 M/s | Total DISK WRITE : 2.37 M/s

10:10:47 ~copypaste it's like this at all times

10:11:02 ~copypaste i wonder what the max write is

2015-06-30

Next a shit!

06:51:06 maksev so I heard tell earlier last week that there was a reddit clone being worked on by some of you guys (or HW)

06:51:07 HollowHornBear holding

06:51:14 maksev because voat was sucking so much shit

06:51:24 maksev is that still going to happen or is it just a notional idea was my question

06:51:26 StephenLynx http://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/ HollowHornBear

06:51:36 StephenLynx about 50% of students not getting sparse arrays

06:51:43 Bui yes infinity-next is our reddit clone :-)

06:51:43 StephenLynx you ain't seen nothing yet.

06:51:45 @linear we can barely even keep 8ch hosted, no

06:51:59 HollowHornBear Yes

06:52:01 uguu infinity-next is a fucking pile of horse crap

06:52:05 HollowHornBear i saw that article this morning

06:52:08 HollowHornBear isnt that crazy?

06:52:11 uguu no offense to horse crap

06:52:13 maksev ima query you linear

06:52:40 jimr I have seen infinity-next, looks nice

06:52:45 StephenLynx it looks like

06:52:50 Bui reddit

06:52:53 StephenLynx because

06:52:58 StephenLynx josh is a front-end developer

06:53:00 maksev inb4 uboatws

06:53:02 StephenLynx not a back-end developer.

06:53:04 maksev pls no uboats

06:53:09 uguu jimr: read the operate thread for a taste of what josh wants to do, "lurk more mode", no 404s of threads

06:53:12 maksev well if you need a better back end guy

06:53:14 maksev i have one

06:53:14 StephenLynx his back-end design is not so good.

06:53:21 maksev but hes been busy lately

06:53:24 uguu lurk more mode == reddit shadow bans

06:53:33 maksev he was supposed to be helping out around here actually but i dont think he ever got around to it

06:53:38 uguu basically make a shit tier version of reddit

06:53:44 maksev gotta get his ass on the git repos

06:54:22 uguu infinity-next is basically phpbbs

06:54:37 StephenLynx actually, if anyone here is interested in a chan with focus on back-end design, there is mine

06:54:42 StephenLynx lyhxhub.com

06:55:00 jimr its down

06:55:00 Bui ERR_NAME_NOT_RESOLVED

06:55:02 Bui ok

06:55:11 StephenLynx ah

06:55:14 StephenLynx lynxhub.com

06:55:17 StephenLynx typo :v

06:55:35 Bui nice meme database

06:55:45 uguu urmum is a meme database

06:55:48 StephenLynx only the dankest memes

>>553

He didn't understand most users here. Even the ones I warned him from.

2015-07-03

Monetezation

13:56:27 LordRothschild what would make 8chan different from reddit and twitter as far as revenue models go?

13:56:40 LordRothschild if anything, we'd have far less revenue from ads since we're more controversial

13:56:48 maksev not necessarily

13:57:05 @linear It's hard to generalize like that

13:57:13 @linear keep in mind some of the largest sites in the world are run 100% off of donations alone

13:57:23 @linear while other sites are 100% from enterprise customers, or ads, or data mining

13:57:47 LordRothschild infinity next might well with quality of life and bandwidth ofc

13:57:57 @linear We can only be so confident of things, but there's a lot of potential

13:58:03 @linear It shouldn't be too bad if we last until Next comes out

13:58:05 LordRothschild I'm just not sure if profits would grow faster than server costs

13:58:23 n-tech 8chan might scratch a niche market

13:58:31 n-tech but I think the majority of our income would be from users

13:58:34 LordRothschild even youtube operated at a consistent loss for a long time just due to the sheer costs of the bandwidth

13:58:49 n-tech like people joke about freddit gold n shit but I think that enticing people to donate is the best way to cover our asses

13:58:57 maksev picture myspace but for chan boards

13:58:57 n-tech it shouldn't be an inpediment, but like one idea I had was

13:59:01 maksev that is what 8chan is sort of

13:59:08 n-tech if you want to host music to increase your filesize or thumbnail limitations on your board

13:59:08 maksev Nothing like this has been done nor worked so well

13:59:14 n-tech you can donate or have someone who uses your board donate.

13:59:15 maksev That is the niche and that is how you make moneye

13:59:34 @linear I look forward to when we can actually start writing that and various policies n-tech

13:59:41 n-tech yeah me too

13:59:44 LordRothschild so basically grow enough of a dedicated userbase to be able to theoretically sustain the site on donations?

13:59:46 @linear There's a lot of potential as long as we don't go overboard/too Reddit

13:59:56 n-tech I run a simple website that's a forum

14:00:04 n-tech but using just cosmetic benefits I got like $60 in donations just today

14:00:12 LordRothschild yeah, if you go chase growth too far you'll get a lot of users who aren't willing to donate

14:00:13 n-tech the servers cost $90/mo and I have 22 people paying $2.50/mo

14:00:16 @linear cosmetic benefits are great

14:00:18 n-tech and that's before $20 one-time donations

14:00:25 @linear I like them a ton, as long as they're not too distracting etc

14:00:32 n-tech so it now pays for itself which is really awesome for me because I am broke lol

Future beef?

20:52:13 uguu jetbrains IDE is worth EVERY PENNY if you buy it

20:52:21 uguu like OMG

21:05:02 StephenLynx >paying for an IDE

21:05:04 StephenLynx good goy

[…]

21:19:57 Bui >being poor

21:20:20 Bui then again you use linux so :^)

21:20:28 StephenLynx nigger, I could buy your mom's loose anus.

21:20:44 StephenLynx try your cheap bait with another dude.

21:21:16 Bui not bait man, if you want to be taken seriously you need to use windows or os x

21:21:19 Bui (^:

[…]

21:22:48 StephenLynx I put you on ignore, don't bother replying to me anymore.

21:24:57 Bui holy mad

21:42:00 uguu linux will always be infested with kids with their poorfag turboautism

21:42:14 uguu :^)

2015-07-05 - 2015-07-06

still no catalog

14:15:51 LordRothschild I wish copypaste was around more ;_;

14:16:04 @linear busy working for RQI

14:16:38 LordRothschild also

14:16:42 LordRothschild infinity next STILL doesn't have catalog

14:16:44 LordRothschild tis a shame

14:17:26 LordRothschild the traditional chan index is kinda shit actually

[…]

21:16:18 uguu dd0: it's better than nothing

21:16:56 dd0 >back to 15 years ago

21:17:51 uguu who are you quoting?

[…]

07:19:11 n-tech LordRothschild, milestone 3.

07:19:20 n-tech I'm doing ACP shit now. Front-end JS and utility features are next.

Catalog was one of the last features Null has implemented

2015-07-10

cockli and some site operations

https://ghostbin.com/paste/g2y9t

2015-07-14

UNinvolved with IN

23:15:09 lancee linear, you're jaw-sh?

23:15:32 StephenLynx don't think so.

23:15:45 @linear no, that is n-tech

23:15:49 lancee oh ok

23:15:51 @linear I don't work on Next at all really

23:15:56 @linear but I have use(d) laravel

23:15:58 lancee I see

23:16:07 lancee I was wondering why he refused to use a css preprocessor like sass

23:16:08 @linear laravel is what I used for

23:16:12 @linear https://linear.enterprises/8/

23:16:17 @linear which i made a bit ago, but it's just one page so

23:16:21 @linear not important (laravel, that is)

23:16:28 @linear but it made the api and things quick and fun

2015-07-15 - 2015-07-16

unclean water

00:15:10 uguu is 4chan-speed faster than ludicrous speed?

01:45:15 maksev ntech around?

01:51:55 StephenLynx n-tech you there?

[…]

05:02:38 faggetttss n-tech pls respond or we will have to send a search party

05:04:23 lancee RIP n-tech

05:20:32 maksev N TECH IS KILL

05:20:35 maksev NSA GOT HIM

05:20:38 maksev BLACK BAGGERS ARE REAL

[…]

06:13:05 n-tech what

06:15:44 faggetttss thank god ur not ded

[…]

06:19:37 uguu no he ded, that's his answering bot

06:19:53 n-tech I caught typhoid and have been sick this week okay

06:20:01 n-tech I still have a nasty as fuck cough

06:20:09 uguu you went to philipines and got typhoid?

06:20:14 n-tech yes

06:20:23 n-tech when copy said not to drink the water he was not fucking around

06:22:04 uguu … you drunk the water…?

06:22:08 n-tech yes

06:22:08 uguu why would you do that?

06:22:12 n-tech i was thirsty

06:22:19 uguu … but it's filthy

06:22:23 n-tech apparently so

06:22:24 uguu like wtf you're dumb

06:22:43 n-tech I've only lived in America and Australia. You can drink the tap water in those. I didn't realize it was literally poison lol

06:22:53 uguu why would anyone go to a third world country and then drink their water?

06:22:59 n-tech Because I was thirsty nigger damn

06:22:59 uguu this is common fucking sense.

06:23:14 uguu you only drink tap water in the first world

06:23:22 n-tech yes thank you i realize that

06:23:26 n-tech what did you guys want

06:23:57 uguu @~@ wtf w

[…]

06:41:59 maksev ntech bls

06:42:07 maksev dunt die and dunt drink nasty jew water next time

Does Next have TOR control?

20:44:21 StephenLynx hey, does next has control for TOR users?

20:45:05 StephenLynx can it detect a user is posting using TOR and act differently based on that?

20:45:12 StephenLynx n-tech

20:56:13 StephenLynx copypaste

[…]

21:20:02 ~copypaste why, so you can add another item to your spreadsheet?

21:20:17 ~copypaste i don't think it does

21:20:27 StephenLynx >implying I haven't already added

21:20:29 StephenLynx :^)

21:20:33 StephenLynx I was just checking.

21:20:43 StephenLynx I don't like being incorrect.

21:22:00 StephenLynx https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RzZppWU1jidNNC9Br9JeVQBHo4RjmnxOZoqjMN6XSJI/edit?usp=sharing for an updated version, if you are interested.

21:22:20 StephenLynx thanks for the info

21:23:27 faggetttss oh is this a running tally on how much next is supposed to suck?

21:23:39 faggetttss and how lynx is better

21:23:54 StephenLynx just a side by side feature comparison.

21:23:56 faggetttss k

21:23:58 StephenLynx nothing but that.

[…]

04:32:49 n-tech StephenLynx, the permission system is set up so that a "Proxy User" role inherits the default "Anonymous" role

04:33:12 n-tech It's no/yes/never system then applies "Never" permissions to uploading images and creating a board, by default.

04:33:38 n-tech This is how I'm going to handle Tor users. Actually detecting if they exist isn't done yet, but it's a non-priority. I'll do that in a few months when I'm matching 8ch feature parity.

04:33:59 StephenLynx got it.

04:34:06 StephenLynx so one could say you actually handle them?

04:34:15 StephenLynx and you could block them completely if wished?

04:34:26 n-tech You could apply never permissions to posting as well, yes.

04:34:35 StephenLynx aight

04:34:41 StephenLynx going to tick that box on next then

2015-07-18

8chan's sudden slow down

05:19:11 uguu did 8chan just get mosterously slower all of a sudden for anyone else?

05:40:36 @linear it does look very slow right now

05:46:33 uguu posting slowed to a crawl for a second

05:46:48 uguu it took my 5 tries to get my shitpost thru :D

05:52:13 LordRothschild yeah

05:52:19 LordRothschild it generally is slow

05:52:22 @linear 16:47:34 @ reports | fetching reports failed: ('The read operation timed out',)

05:52:23 @linear 16:50:16 @ reports | fetching reports failed: ('The read operation timed out',)

05:52:23 @linear 16:51:17 @ reports | fetching reports failed: ('The read operation timed out',)

05:52:23 @linear 16:52:17 @ reports | fetching reports failed: ('The read operation timed out',)

05:52:24 @linear I can tell

05:52:25 LordRothschild hopefully infinity-next will fix it

05:55:02 uguu lol

05:55:10 uguu infinity-next will suck so much

05:56:12 LordRothschild I was just hoping

05:56:38 LordRothschild turns out the whole "php will get more people working on this!" thing turned out to be bunk

05:56:42 uguu ya

05:56:59 uguu no shit everyone that works with php does it because they get paid

05:57:02 uguu :^)

05:57:06 LordRothschild will it at least be better than what we have now?

05:57:20 uguu i suspect it'll be worse

05:57:35 uguu it's doing retarded as fuck things like serving static files via php

05:57:37 uguu like wtf

The other option suffers from human factors as well

14:39:39 ~copypaste i wish stephenlynx would idle.

[…]

20:49:59 uguu copypaste: his nodejs chan is getting a bit… fucky

20:50:22 uguu i can't get it to work and he spazzed out when i asked how to configure it

20:50:35 uguu "OMG YOUR AN IDIOT NOOB RTFM BITCH IT IS EASY"

20:58:56 ~copypaste lol

21:03:57 uguu copypaste: twister has markdown support :D

21:05:07 uguu http://i.imgur.com/iuoqomc.jpg

[…]

23:03:47 ~copypaste uguu: i think that we're never going to be happy with any chan software 100%

23:03:51 ~copypaste and ought to just settle on one

23:04:00 ~copypaste i'm going to talk to stephen even though n-tech calmed down

23:04:03 ~copypaste good to leave one's options open

23:04:12 ~copypaste and he's kept developing it even when i told him i wasn't interested

23:04:14 ~copypaste now that's dedication

23:04:19 uguu yup

23:04:35 uguu i agree no one will ever be 100% happy

23:04:52 uguu and he is very dedicated

Is that even that important now? I don't like the idea of half the 8chan clones dying do some esorteric reason and the ability to use any frontend you want kinda nice. Although Lynx doesn't point out that strength as main reason to use memechan.

>>555

>Future beef?

Yup.

uguu got really mad at me for the first time when we argued about mongo, then put me on ignore.

He recently got pissed with me again after I dropped plans to integrate nntpchan with lynxchan. And we had some dumb argument this week.

Oh, and btw, I never said I wanted for HW to become like moot, I just thought he was going the same route.

>>558

> Although Lynx doesn't point out that strength as main reason to use memechan.

From the front-page:

>Why would I adopt LynxChan?

>A modular front-end that uses pure HTML templates, making visual customization as easy as it gets

>>560

Well, reading you in IRC is sometimes incredibly difficult. Sorry if that sounds a little assburger. On the other hand though, I have read much worse rants from Janiteam. Maybe you won't believe me, because I didn't quote these.

Found the point about the modular frontend. Its the third one. Larachan vanilla is still a bullshit frontend. Now that these points are out of the way, you are free to give me hints to other highlights and clarify a mystery or two.

Larachan's development was pretty much not a topic during the first half of June, except for concerns that it will suck. Any worrying things the user won't see without reading the code?

This question is the question that doesn't concern Null himself that came up so far.

>>561

At first there wasn't any concerns about it because no one was paying much attention to it. We knew it was being developed and it didn't broke so far.

Only after a while that we started learning and getting concerned. And the main concerns were even less than how the whole picture turned out to be. At the time we had no idea josh was as bad as he was when it came to database design.

Most people were only concerned about the engine being too much CPU intensive to work in the scale 8ch does with the same hardware. Me, uguu and czaks warned him about that.

There was also an IP leak before that debug thing, though. Josh used to put all banned ips as clear text on the public logs, so any board owner could expose the ips of users on his board, so that was some sort of red flag to what the fuck was going through josh's mind.

I remember some people being concerned with the fact it seemed to be turning out like some sort of forum-chan hybrid instead of just being a chan. But that was more from the users and the people on the dev channel were more concerned about performance and studff.

I think you will eventually see josh's ragequit when both me and uguu mocked him for not pruning threads ever. Eventually HW would veto that and josh implemented thread pruning.

In the chance josh's ragequit was not on that channel, I can post once I get home, I got that saved on my laptop.

>>561

Oh, and I also pointed how josh over engineered stuff, like that permission system with all that stuff about roles and inheritance.

I think that's about it when it comes to what the people on that channel were thinking about next. You will notice people kind of stopped talking about it after a while and wouldn't get back to it until the first failed migration. After the beta started and succeeded we really started thinking it would work in the end.

I even mentioned it when asked over lynxhub.com:

http://lynxhub.com/lynxchan/res/141.html#168

>>562

>At the time we had no idea josh was as bad as he was when it came to database design.

Me neither. This is why I thought Next could be the best engine so far until I saw Haruko taking and rendering 20.000 "Symbols" of text (Haruko considers all white spaces symbols too) without any problems.

>In the chance josh's ragequit was not on that channel, I can post once I get home, I got that saved on my laptop.

Check the date in question on http://irclogs.8ch.net/rizon/%238chan-dev/. If it ain't there, post it when I reach that day. If it is somewhere in July, I will be there tomorrow.

>>562

post the ragequit, do it fgt.

Mostly because Joshie plans to make a statement about this whole thing come march (he's busy fixing up his forum right now) and I'd bet you a few dollers that he'll try to spin the whole thing to look like he was the victim in this

>>565

I just took the time to read some logs, the ragequit was in july, so they will soon be posted by the dude going through it.

>>565

>>566

I think I can get to it today If I Spontaneously decide to continue these logs instead of #Janiteam. In fact, I could be there in about an hour of reading. just count together the number of lines a month has on #8chan-dev, then consider that a day of Janiteam has at least 800 lines, noise included, and goes up to about 2500.

2015-07-19

Buckle up! This the kind of long read you slice and dice when quoting.

Moving forward with Next

08:27:21 n-tech @ uguu, should I close your NNTP ticket?

08:27:33 n-tech I thought you were going to work on it but you seem disinterested

08:28:54 StephenLynx ohioo josh-boy ( ???)

08:29:22 n-tech ?

08:29:31 StephenLynx what's cracking?

08:29:45 n-tech Working on the asset manager for the board

08:29:58 LordRothschild catalog when?

08:30:10 n-tech A catalog is just an alternate view. It takes like 30 seconds.

08:30:19 n-tech You take OPs, you change the CSS for that view, it's done.

08:31:08 n-tech I mean if it's that big of a deal I'll do it now. Let me finish the schema for board assets.

08:31:58 LordRothschild a catalog is almost mandatory for boards like /pol/

08:32:12 LordRothschild so if you could add that it would be nice

08:32:25 n-tech yeah I'm sure. It's just not something I planned on working on right away.

08:32:41 LordRothschild fair enough, I can understand wanting to get the basics done first

08:32:47 n-tech Ehh it's not even basics

08:32:50 n-tech It's the tricky stuff

08:32:54 LordRothschild ah

08:33:02 n-tech If you're just banging out features to compile some big list you're going to end up having shitty code

08:33:32 LordRothschild also may I make a suggestion for the top bar?

08:33:43 LordRothschild have you tried putting that stuff under the new reply/thread box?

08:34:18 n-tech The board list under the reply box?

08:34:38 LordRothschild if its too crowded, maybe a link to the board list under the reply box?

08:34:54 LordRothschild stuff like home, control panel, etc might fit well under there

08:35:09 n-tech It might fit, but my concern with that is you have a conflict of attention

08:35:18 n-tech With stuff up at the top you get the idea it's a navigation for the site

08:35:25 n-tech If it's in the post box you think it has something to do with posting

08:36:43 LordRothschild could you at least compact the board list into a single link?

08:36:53 LordRothschild its a complete clusterfuck on my phone's browser

08:37:29 LordRothschild even on 8chan back when it had the top 25 it caused pages to load a lot slower

08:37:48 n-tech can you screenshot it on your phone?

08:37:52 n-tech I test mobile too and it looked okay

08:38:01 LordRothschild sure, just a sec

08:39:09 LordRothschild you tested android right?

08:39:45 n-tech I use Chromium's mobile view, which is basically just Chromium with a small resolution

08:39:52 n-tech But that should definitely be Android

design pains

08:40:01 n-tech http://infinitydev.org/kappa

08:40:03 n-tech who made this board?

08:40:05 n-tech he really busted ass

08:40:06 LordRothschild https://imgur.com/20FohcE

08:40:57 LordRothschild same on chrome and safari

08:41:01 LordRothschild >inb4 apple products

08:41:03 LordRothschild contract

08:41:13 LordRothschild phone came with data plan

08:42:01 n-tech yeah that looks shit

08:42:21 n-tech it doesn't wrap properly which is garbage. I need to just disable wrapping for that.

08:43:31 LordRothschild I like what you've done with the posting/new thread box at the right

08:43:39 LordRothschild no need to scroll up to make new posts or threads anymore

08:44:13 LordRothschild why do the black bars stick out of the blue box though?

08:44:18 LordRothschild its kinda strange looking on my laptop

08:48:14 n-tech sizing issue

/v/ can't agree on anything

08:48:26 n-tech I need to touch up the front-end CSS in the next week before I talk to /v/ again

08:48:44 n-tech people are kind of torn. some want a totally new front-end and some want the same shit

08:50:41 LordRothschild I wouldn't really make any annoucements until you fix up the CSS so it looks as nice as possible

08:51:07 LordRothschild people aren't going to appreciate good code as much as good UI

08:51:55 n-tech people really disagree on what constitutes good though

08:52:08 n-tech like, I think it looks fine except for shit like the input fields being too big

08:52:19 n-tech but I get like, all caps emails saying "fix the design hgggrggghhhh"

08:52:23 n-tech and it's like.. what's wrong

08:52:30 LordRothschild why do you have that dotted line tree thingie in threads?

08:52:33 LordRothschild like for the index I get it

08:52:42 LordRothschild because you need to differentiate posts and OPs

08:52:53 LordRothschild but why have the dotted line tree thingie in just thread pages?

08:53:14 LordRothschild also the owner of /makeareplysystemyoucocksucker/ is right

08:53:22 LordRothschild :^)

08:54:12 n-tech it shows a relationship between child and parent posts

08:54:26 n-tech technically the database schema can support more than just one-to-many relationhsip

please don't clone plebbit, Josh!

08:54:31 LordRothschild is that necessary in a page that has only one thread?

08:55:02 LordRothschild also please don't add a reddit style reply system

08:55:28 LordRothschild also although I almost never use the index and mainly use the catalog

08:56:06 LordRothschild instead of clicking on the post number of an OP and having a new tab with

08:56:20 LordRothschild (threadlinkstuff)#reply-(number)

08:56:31 LordRothschild why not just add a "open thread in new tab" link?

08:57:30 LordRothschild how it is right now isn't very intuitive

08:59:43 n-tech Okay, I think you're right about the catalog

08:59:50 n-tech I think way more people use it than I give credit

08:59:54 n-tech so I'll do that next, I promise

09:00:43 LordRothschild thx

09:01:24 LordRothschild you could maybe even make it default, I know people new to imageboards generally find the catalog a lot more intuitive than the index

09:06:34 n-tech do you think that'd be better as a user setting or a board setting

09:06:45 n-tech maybe even both

09:06:48 n-tech User setting: [default/catalog/threaded]

09:06:51 n-tech Board: [threaded/catalog]

09:10:41 LordRothschild yeah

09:11:05 LordRothschild user setting would obvious take precedence over board setting

09:11:10 LordRothschild *obviously

09:12:41 LordRothschild if the board owner or user doesn't change it maybe make catalog default perhaps?

ephemerality is irrelevant!

https://ghostbin.com/paste/4mth7

This was a huge concern in the beginning. Everyone thought Next would become a classic forum due to Null's refusal to even entertain the thought of implementing that feature.

Why serving files over PHP

21:04:21 uguu copypaste: josh quit?

[…]

21:04:29 uguu quit irc?

21:04:39 uguu StephenLynx: okay that makes more sense

[…]

21:05:28 ~copypaste he just quit this irc

21:05:34 ~copypaste for some reason

21:05:42 ~copypaste tfw

21:05:48 StephenLynx "some reason"

21:05:54 ~copypaste i try to be diplomatic

21:05:58 ~copypaste as best i can

21:05:59 StephenLynx lel

21:06:04 StephenLynx I find it cute

21:06:05 StephenLynx :3

21:06:23 StephenLynx like, the guy is probably punching a pillow by now holding his rage tears

21:06:26 StephenLynx "some reason"

21:07:26 uguu i think josh is upset that no one is contributing to next

21:08:12 ~copypaste yeah

21:08:36 ~copypaste also lynxchan being more done 4free[tm] probably has him down too even though he won't admit that

21:08:38 ~copypaste but

21:08:43 StephenLynx josh "I will pick PHP because everyone knows it" boy

21:08:43 ~copypaste i still believe in our plan

21:08:59 StephenLynx he ignored the fact that everyone knows it and HATES it.

21:08:59 uguu does infinity-next still serve files via php?

21:09:13 ~copypaste yes

21:09:15 ~copypaste it does

21:09:17 ~copypaste ( ???)

21:09:43 ~copypaste perhaps we'll change that. i'll write a benchmarking tool and decide

21:09:50 uguu why would anyone do that?

21:09:53 uguu i don't understand

21:10:06 ~copypaste it makes it easier to download files with any name

21:10:12 ~copypaste there's a reason behind it

21:10:19 ~copypaste you can store the files as base64, but download them with any name

21:10:22 ~copypaste erm

21:10:28 ~copypaste md5/sha1sum i mean as the filename

21:10:43 ~copypaste so first 128 of sha1 .jpg/realname.jpg is the name

21:10:50 ~copypaste so you get a nice filename and not a garbage one

21:10:53 uguu at a major perf hit which makes it probably not worth it

21:10:53 ~copypaste that's why it is go through php

21:11:00 ~copypaste it's good for user experience

21:11:13 uguu sure but … doesn't scale up

21:11:25 uguu it'll blow up 2ch's servers

21:12:02 ~copypaste we'll see how poorly it scales up with hhvm.

21:12:15 ~copypaste i'm not convinced it'll be as catastrophically slower as you are projecting

21:12:21 ~copypaste but i can be wrong

How Desuchan does stuff

21:14:47 ls copypaste, you the other even easier way to serve up files with any name? the KC way

21:14:51 uguu with the same solution

21:14:57 ls works entirely via nginx

21:15:06 uguu what is the KC way?

21:15:11 ls https://krautchan.net/download/1437311144001.jpg/smug%20pepe.jpg https://krautchan.net/download/1437311144001.jpg/someothername.jpg

21:15:20 uguu ohhhh i see

I can tell you why this is not a pipe dream on Krauthahn: Desuchan's backend is written in Perl and KC runs on ngnix. Don't know which of the two makes it possible

21:15:22 uguu rewrite

21:15:27 ~copypaste rewrite?

21:15:29 ~copypaste yes

21:15:35 ~copypaste the thing is

21:15:47 ~copypaste josh didn't want next to depend on a certain webserver

21:15:55 ls madness

21:16:00 uguu nor does this, you can do rewrite with any modern http server

21:16:09 ls besides, every webserver that deserves the name supports rewriting

21:16:15 uguu apache, lighttpd, thttpd, nginx, even twisted's shit

21:16:24 ~copypaste can you paste the code that does it on kc ls :^)

21:16:39 ls don't have it but it's not like it's hard to figure out

21:17:00 ls when serving stuff, ignore everything after the .jpg/

21:17:01 uguu location ~^ /download/(.+).jpg/(.+).jpg {

21:17:03 uguu blah blah blah

21:17:07 uguu }

21:17:11 uguu simple rewrite rule

21:17:27 ls ^

21:17:28 ~copypaste ok. you guys are probably right about ths

21:17:39 ~copypaste this way you get performance and user experience.

21:17:45 uguu yes

21:18:01 uguu and it's pretty obvious solution for people that know http servers

21:18:10 uguu :^)

21:18:27 ~copypaste ;^)

21:18:34 ~copypaste LEAVE JOSH ALOVE

21:18:37 ~copypaste LEAVE HIM ALONE!

21:18:38 StephenLynx lel

21:18:40 StephenLynx http://8ch.net/tech/res/286975.html#292598

21:19:01 StephenLynx I am not the only one who is quenching his thirst in this drama.

21:19:29 ~copypaste at least post my reply

21:19:32 ~copypaste don't be a dick

21:19:47 StephenLynx you post it yourself, nigga.

21:19:50 StephenLynx :v

21:19:53 uguu yes capcode

21:19:55 ~copypaste :c

21:19:57 ~copypaste ok

21:19:58 uguu POST AS ADMIN :D

21:20:18 ~copypaste no

2015-07-20

Null the liar

https://ghostbin.com/paste/cthsr

2015-07-22 - 2015-07-23

thread expiration

20:04:56 StephenLynx hm, josh boy seem to have put some noticeable effort in those auto-prune features.

20:05:09 StephenLynx I might copy some of his stuff :^)

20:05:28 StephenLynx like the auto-lock after X replies.

20:08:22 uguu good

20:08:36 uguu auto lock? meh just autosage

[…]

20:11:49 StephenLynx yeah, I don't think it is vital, but having a thread that can potentially expand infinitely can be abused.

20:12:14 StephenLynx imagine if you create your own little board, create a thread, disable captcha and flood that thread like no tomorrow?

20:12:38 StephenLynx because there are no other threads, it won't be deleted, and the time for generating it and the RAM used to retrieve the posts will expand more and more.

20:13:26 StephenLynx it doesn't matter if the server can handle one thousand or one trillion posts, eventually it won't be able to handle all the posts at once.

[…]

20:16:23 StephenLynx unless you stream both the posts and the resulted HTML, but that is much more work than just auto-locking the thread.

20:16:54 StephenLynx yeah, I am adding auto-lock to the roadmap.

Setting up Larachan

22:24:50 StephenLynx how easy is to install next? I think I will try to benchmark it against lynxchan.

23:15:59 uguu StephenLynx: every time i have tried to set up next there's a database error that occurs when seeding data

23:16:28 StephenLynx seeding? booting the database with tables and shit?

23:16:36 StephenLynx have you tried with postgre or just mysql?

23:16:46 StephenLynx I remember you saying it wouldn't work with anything but postgre

[…]

01:41:21 uguu i've tried with everything

01:42:34 StephenLynx welp

01:43:22 uguu this is another reason to say that next is garbage

[…]

01:44:40 Kentaa uguu, I don't think Next is production-ready..

01:44:56 uguu that's the excuse that tox uses for shit code

01:45:00 uguu and lack of documentation

01:45:18 uguu it doesn't make you exempt from being garbage

01:45:24 uguu it infact makes it even more garbage

01:45:29 StephenLynx neither is lynxchan and it is miles ahead.

01:45:34 Kentaa Have you raised an issue on Github at least?

01:45:40 uguu Kentaa: i have

01:45:48 StephenLynx "Issue: it is shit, kill yourself lel"

2015-07-24

Null the hardcore kiwisperg

02:01:58 StephenLynx >Josh is a hardcore redditfag who despises the chan format to the point he refuses to make infinity next without adding options to dechanize it.

02:01:59 StephenLynx lel

02:02:07 StephenLynx /tech/ telling how it is.

[…]

04:29:49 StephenLynx http://8ch.net/tech/res/297211.html#297427 oh lawdy

04:30:04 StephenLynx I didn't know some people hated josh this much.

OK. I step back for a while, because some people don't know who Null is. You all know the ultra autistic origin of /cow/, namely taking the piss out of Chrischan for being the lexicon definition of a Sonic autist. There was also a Forum all about Chrischan. Null has offered his help for upgrading it to Xenforo and then took it over from there for reasons.

Nowadays the forum is called Kiwifarms and his userbase either merely tolerates him, sucks his dick or is so tsundere that all threads on /cow/ become worthless, because that part of the userbase is making up shit based on the real Null you can't use unless you hate him but want his love. For details ask ED.

Null's reason for quitting #8chan-dev and why IN is still a thing

20:24:38 StephenLynx "I left your IRC channels because every time I checked to see what was going on in them, or wanted to show off recent work or ideas, I just got the same three people trying to fuck with me. Nobody actually cared about helping the project or sharing ideas, they were just jerking off into each other's mouths and got mad when I didn't want to watch. I've lost nothing by cutting communications with you." lel

20:24:49 StephenLynx josh about quitting this channel

20:36:26 StephenLynx btw copypaste, captcha images are only loading for me on the no-js captcha page.

21:37:37 uguu oh he mad

21:37:48 uguu he can't take criticisms

21:38:02 uguu i tried helping out on infinity-next but it's a fucking disaster on wheels

21:38:10 StephenLynx yeah, he says he listen to feedback, but he only listen to the echo-chamber

[…]

21:39:12 StephenLynx even when he changes something on his previous work, he acts like it is a fucking huge concession that people are petty to ask for anyway.

[…]

21:44:44 StephenLynx EVERY USES PHP THAT WILL MAKE PEOPLE CONTRIBUTE R-RIGHT GUISE?

21:45:37 StephenLynx he won't even try to post about on /tech/ because he know people there will tear him a new one lel

21:45:45 StephenLynx said that himself

21:55:12 uguu it'd be great if more people contributed to infinity-next lynxchan and srndv2 but each is shitty in its own way, /tech/ is too autistic

21:55:36 uguu maybe once i get a working demo i'll viral mine on yc :^)

21:55:55 StephenLynx what is worth saving on next?

21:56:09 uguu well, copypaste is still behind it so there's that

21:56:16 uguu also it looks pretty

21:56:19 uguu but that's really it

[…]

21:56:36 StephenLynx HW backing it up is nothing but politics.

21:56:48 StephenLynx and looking pretty is just it's front-end.

21:56:52 uguu ohhhh wait… i could totally rip off infinity-next's templates :DDDD

[…]

22:02:48 uguu i'm giving josh another go, since i want to see SOMETHING work

22:02:56 uguu https://8ch.net/operate/res/28892.html#31099

22:03:13 StephenLynx if you manage to install it, tell me the gotchas so I can benchmark against lynxchan

22:03:28 uguu kk

22:04:56 StephenLynx I find it funny he says we jerk each other off when we barely tolerate each other :v

22:05:11 uguu lol ikr

22:05:19 uguu mongodb sucks

22:05:20 StephenLynx just because we both called his bullshit at the same time, we are the axis hellbent on destroying him

22:05:29 StephenLynx go is for faggots :^)

[…]

02:49:49 uguu heh, postgres is broken too

02:49:56 uguu in infinity-next

02:49:58 uguu @.@

02:53:32 StephenLynx lel

2015-07-25 - 2015-07-26

After installing Lynxchan step by step…

03:27:55 uguu next install's was a little better to be honest

03:28:03 StephenLynx did you managed to install?

03:28:11 StephenLynx you said it was broken with postgre

03:28:11 uguu yes but it didn't work

03:28:16 StephenLynx so you din't install.

03:28:17 uguu i installed mysql

03:28:26 uguu still fucked

03:28:57 StephenLynx with lynxchan you got it running.

03:29:04 StephenLynx with next you couldn't get that.

I wonder why Larachan refused to work.

Null will never come back

03:55:24 uguu php takes the cake you can't get worse

03:55:47 uguu joshiboi isn't coming back to irc it seems

03:55:47 StephenLynx I am trying to take territory away from PHP here in my job

03:55:52 StephenLynx nah

03:56:05 StephenLynx he only steps in his echo chamber

03:56:16 StephenLynx and now he knows this isn't part of it

03:56:19 StephenLynx he won't come back.

[…]

03:57:02 StephenLynx I can afford to work 7 days and 13 hours

03:57:09 StephenLynx tick, tock, josh-boy

03:57:38 uguu why does he think we are sucking eachother off? wtf he's retarded, i can't stand StephenLynx

03:57:53 StephenLynx cognitive dissonance.

03:58:18 StephenLynx because two people call his bullshit at the same time, they form a hatemob that wants to destroy him

03:58:24 uguu lol

03:58:25 StephenLynx that happened ONCE

03:58:27 StephenLynx fucking ONCE

03:58:34 uguu when?

03:58:37 StephenLynx that time

03:58:43 StephenLynx when he ragequit

03:58:45 uguu that was a hatemob?

03:58:46 uguu lol

03:58:53 StephenLynx in his eyes, yes.

Second tendency /cow/ told me about became real just after 2 months of development time.

IN finally works on uguu's machine

https://ghostbin.com/paste/tg22s

Brennan captcha

20:12:53 ~copypaste today i made a captcha with josh

[…]

20:13:23 ~copypaste i believe my captcha is superior to both the one on overchan

20:13:32 ~copypaste and certainly the one stephen made :^)

20:13:50 ~copypaste http://128.199.122.215/captcha.php (pls no ddoserino)

[…]

20:28:56 ~copypaste actually it's a good font :^)

20:29:02 ~copypaste you would have to specifically train against cursive

20:29:11 ~copypaste for your OCR thing

20:29:14 ~copypaste that's hard

20:29:37 Bui would probably have to train indians/chinese too :^)

20:29:45 ~copypaste indeed

[…]

21:29:28 uguu copypaste: i can't read that captcha

21:29:53 uguu i agree with Bui, shit font

21:30:00 uguu i simply can't read it

[…]

21:33:19 ~copypaste uguu: you never write cursive? :^)

21:33:25 ~copypaste try refreshing a few times

21:33:34 ~copypaste i doubt you can't read it :DD

[…]

21:37:38 ~copypaste maybe the cursive font does have to go

21:37:42 ~copypaste it is kind of hard

21:37:55 uguu it is too hard

21:37:58 ~copypaste it's easy for me though. i write in cursive naturally half the time i write

21:38:06 ~copypaste the Z looks obvious to me

21:38:09 ~copypaste but w/e

21:39:20 uguu anyone that doesn't speak english will be 100% unable to solve it

21:39:28 uguu they'll be a bot

21:39:35 uguu i still like the "is this loli?" captcha

21:39:40 ~copypaste lol

21:39:47 ~copypaste ok so but

21:39:52 ~copypaste what do you think of the non cursive fonts

21:39:54 ~copypaste there's 5 fonts there

21:39:58 uguu it depends on the font

21:39:59 ~copypaste there's an all caps one too

21:40:02 ~copypaste i put a variety

21:40:18 uguu do you have wingdings font? :^)

21:40:26 ~copypaste hha no

21:40:32 ~copypaste not free software :^)

21:40:36 ~copypaste i only added SIL fonts

21:40:42 ~copypaste (and one apache one)

Null violates his own license

22:05:15 n-tech copypaste I just realized I am not following my own license

22:05:20 n-tech I don't have a link to my github in the footer

22:05:41 n-tech PROFFESSIONAL SOFTWARE DEVELOPER

22:05:56 uguu loool

22:06:13 uguu proffessional sofware devloper

22:06:34 n-tech proffessional

22:06:36 n-tech :—DDD

22:06:42 n-tech I was debating between 1 f and 2

22:07:00 n-tech I'm bad with words that have multiple consonants

22:07:07 n-tech it's my acchiles heel

22:07:08 n-tech :—DD

22:09:33 ~copypaste lel

GIT Hub

https://ghostbin.com/paste/j6u5t

Markdown and vendor packages

21:42:53 n-tech uguu https://packagist.org/packages/infinity-next/eightdown

21:42:56 n-tech I got it up on the internets

21:43:01 n-tech I learned something today

21:43:05 n-tech :—DDDD

21:43:37 n-tech I'm using Parsedown, which is a PHP Markdown implementation, and tweaking that to do specific things.

21:43:41 n-tech Oh, and adding configuration.

21:43:47 n-tech I need it to do things like,

21:43:51 n-tech - Hide URL Shorteners

21:44:12 n-tech - Don't allow embedded images or their URL syntax.

21:44:23 n-tech - Preserve greater-than signs when making quote blocks

21:44:28 n-tech lots of little shit people'll appreciate

21:56:41 uguu huh?

21:57:05 StephenLynx " little shit people" = channers in josh-speak

21:58:34 uguu so infinity-next does markdown now?

[…]

22:16:14 n-tech yes, uguu

22:16:18 n-tech I've been talking about Markdown for like 2 months

22:16:22 n-tech I even made a tech thread about it

22:16:36 n-tech nobody reads my update threads ;~;

22:23:01 koopa I'm guessing you're Josh, n-tech.

22:23:12 n-tech yup

22:23:42 koopa I know because I'm reading the update thread. :^)

22:23:53 n-tech the operate one?

22:23:59 koopa yes

22:24:06 n-tech I need a better place to do update talk

22:24:27 n-tech especially because like, a lot of the replies I get are feature requests

22:24:33 n-tech and all I can really say to most feature requests is

22:24:37 n-tech "uh, yeah, sure, maybe, hopefully."

22:26:05 n-tech Oh man, I'm so excited about being able to do vendor packages now

22:26:23 n-tech This means I anything custom we build for the project that isn't actually a part of the project we can split out as independent technology

22:26:39 n-tech For instance, copypaste is building his own captcha service and I fully intend on making that into a proper framework module and releasing it

22:26:49 n-tech I'mma call it Brennan Captcha cuz it sounds nice

2015-07-28

The catalog still needs work

05:18:04 LordRothschild hey n-tech

05:18:26 LordRothschild infinitydev's catalog still needs work

05:18:31 LordRothschild https://imgur.com/NW6M7BI

05:19:52 n-tech yea it most certainly does

05:20:22 n-tech I'm almost fucking done with this textparser shit

05:21:28 LordRothschild if it makes you feel better, I think the index is a lot nicer now

05:22:08 LordRothschild the infinity board stopped loading for some reason tho

05:22:45 n-tech no it's probably just slow as fuck because the forum is blowing up

05:22:57 n-tech oh

05:22:58 n-tech no

05:22:59 n-tech you're right

05:23:00 n-tech okay

05:23:25 n-tech oh fuck son

05:23:29 n-tech payload invalid

05:23:32 n-tech that's noooooooooooooo good

05:23:54 n-tech the data I tried to cache is too large lol

05:26:55 LordRothschild also just as an additional suggestion for the index

05:27:10 LordRothschild maybe an easier to see link to open up the thread?

05:29:35 LordRothschild like "click this link to open the thread in a new tab"

05:29:47 LordRothschild sorta like what you did with the catalog

2015-07-31

First IP leak

20:43:56 StephenLynx n-tech pretty interesting this thing here http://8ch.net/next/alternatives.html

20:44:05 StephenLynx but aren't you forgetting anything?

[…]

23:10:40 StephenLynx n-tech nice job leaking the user's ip, josh-boy

23:42:12 StephenLynx copypaste http://8ch.net/tech/res/308162.html#308213

23:44:16 StephenLynx so, he fucks up then tries to silence people reporting the fuck up?

23:44:28 StephenLynx that was a thread exclusively about next on the /next/ board.

More about tomorrow. I am done with July.

2015-08-01

More license pains

00:17:21 uguu god damnit i just realized that srndv2 uses gpl3 licensed libs

00:17:27 uguu this is why i hate gpl3

00:17:37 uguu it's herpes

00:17:46 StephenLynx can't you just not include the library?

00:17:48 uguu fuck gpl3

00:17:54 uguu StephenLynx: and use what?

00:17:59 StephenLynx no

00:18:04 uguu yes

00:18:07 uguu gpl3 is garbage

00:18:08 StephenLynx you use the library but don't distribute it.

00:18:09 StephenLynx get it?

00:18:21 StephenLynx you don't include the code, you just tell people to download it.

00:18:24 StephenLynx that is what I do with lynxchan

[…]

00:27:34 n-tech what about agpl3 uguu

00:27:35 StephenLynx if they got an issue with that they can suck my dick

00:28:02 uguu n-tech: i am using a gpl3 licensed lib not an agpl3 one

00:28:15 uguu it's fucking herpes

00:28:20 n-tech i remember czaks got pissed

00:28:28 n-tech cuz of the license

00:28:39 n-tech he couldn't burry dogecoin miners into the code and close the source with next legally

00:28:39 n-tech :(

00:28:40 n-tech :'(

00:29:09 StephenLynx lel czaks got mad about next using copyleft? really?

[…]

00:32:09 n-tech i use agpl for next tho cuz that's what stallman suggested apparently

00:32:11 StephenLynx at least that the node / io community gets right.

00:32:26 uguu n-tech don't take licensing advise from stallman

00:32:39 StephenLynx RMS is disconnected from reality.

00:32:43 n-tech don't take licensing advice from the founder of the open source software foundation

00:32:43 n-tech ok

00:32:50 uguu no really

00:33:01 uguu he's getting senile

00:33:06 StephenLynx if anything copyleft increases investments on proprietary software.

00:33:26 StephenLynx because people making proprietary software have to build a whole proprietary ecosystem, like ms did.

00:33:42 n-tech he probably suggested it because copy went over the history of tinyboard with him in his email

00:34:19 StephenLynx and now is not just a single proprietary software like stuff apple, it is a language, operating system, compiler, audio visual frameworks, drivers

00:34:23 uguu n-tech: re-license to the NFRU license version 1.1

00:34:36 n-tech i like my license tho

00:34:46 n-tech it means if you modify it you can't be a sneaksysneak

00:34:48 StephenLynx you like leaking ips

00:34:48 n-tech you gotta open it

[…]

00:35:37 uguu <StephenLynx> you like leaking ips

00:35:40 StephenLynx lel

00:35:43 uguu <n-tech> you gotta open it

00:35:52 n-tech ebin

00:35:57 uguu :^)

00:43:32 ls agpl a shit

00:43:37 ls gpl is okay-ish

00:43:40 ls agpl is just shit

00:43:46 ls total asshole license

[…]

01:01:17 * n-tech is a total asshole with a total asshole license

01:01:26 n-tech this unfortunately means i am never allowed to use uguu's license

Some banter

https://ghostbin.com/paste/gx6hg

Interesting. This didn't come up before the rage quit.

IP leaks again

02:39:46 StephenLynx if you have any interest, I have a channel, #lynchan here on rizon

02:40:15 maksev i do have some but mainly as it applies to unfucking some of the shit in inext thats borked

02:40:17 n-tech otherwise the server exists on like 1 thread

02:40:21 maksev particularly if php really is leaking ips

02:40:26 maksev that shit needs to be fxd

02:40:32 n-tech it already is fixed.

02:40:37 n-tech it's a fucking demo site.

02:40:37 StephenLynx oh, no

02:40:43 StephenLynx that was purely on josh's account

02:40:45 StephenLynx you see

02:40:53 StephenLynx he thought that having full ips on a public log was a good idea

02:40:55 StephenLynx :^)

02:41:01 maksev for the demo site?

02:41:04 StephenLynx yes

02:41:12 maksev it is a demo site after all kek

02:41:15 n-tech the demo site is down atm because i'm upgrading to hhvm

02:41:24 StephenLynx the ips are still real.

02:41:38 StephenLynx there wasn't a warning "your ip will be made public"

02:41:41 maksev dont bother me my real ip never displays anywhere anyway

02:41:57 StephenLynx well, that is for you.

02:42:06 StephenLynx you can't assume everyone has the same standards than you.

02:42:11 maksev that is because im not a newfag who just into internet the first time its not hard

02:42:40 StephenLynx is about privacy.

secure URLs

08:27:03 @linear n-tech: how get {!! url('/path') !!} to use https instead of http

08:27:16 n-tech url_secure

08:27:25 @linear haha

08:27:31 @linear okay thanks

08:27:35 @linear I was upset the docs had

[…]

08:27:39 @linear asset() asset_secure

08:27:43 @linear but url() and no url_secure()

08:28:05 n-tech yea I'm looking at it now

08:28:09 n-tech was about to link you to /helpers

08:28:11 n-tech but it's not there

08:28:18 @linear oh nvm laravel said it isn't there

08:28:23 @linear i looked at the next source

08:28:25 @linear and just saw url()

08:28:30 @linear maybe you overrid it somewhere

08:28:30 @linear or something

08:28:40 n-tech oops I'm wrong

08:28:41 n-tech it's secure_url

08:28:50 n-tech in the good spirit of PHP

08:28:55 n-tech they've decided not to make things consistent

08:28:56 n-tech :-D

08:29:08 @linear man what

08:29:22 n-tech actually

08:29:26 n-tech what version are you using of laravel

08:29:26 @linear i really wouldn't have expected that from laravel

08:29:27 @linear 5

08:29:29 @linear .1

08:29:31 @linear latest

08:29:33 @linear whatever that is

08:29:38 n-tech secure_asset and secure_url are the helpers

08:29:38 @linear I tried APP_URL in .env

08:29:41 @linear it didn't change anything

08:29:43 n-tech they may have changed that to be consistent

08:29:49 @linear i have my webserver redirecting http->https but i wanted the links https anyway

08:29:57 n-tech hm

08:30:00 @linear yea itls secure_url worked

08:30:04 n-tech well I'll show you, one sec

08:30:06 @linear i dont think APP_URL is a thing anymore

08:30:10 n-tech https://infinitydev.org/

08:30:12 n-tech on this

08:30:20 n-tech the only link using secure_url is Donate, because I wanted that to be HTTPS only

08:30:24 n-tech but the other links are all HTTP

08:30:35 @linear I see them as https

08:30:36 n-tech So if you're connecting on port 443 it probably auto-HTTPSs the URls

08:30:37 n-tech yes

08:30:46 @linear hmm mine wasn't doing that, but i expected it to

08:31:05 n-tech that may be a webserver issue

08:31:07 @linear but secure_url fixes it i guess

08:31:10 n-tech not really

08:31:14 @linear why not

08:31:16 n-tech because if the server doesn't support HTTP it will break it

08:31:19 n-tech HTTPS*

2015-08-02 - 2015-08-03

How Laravel works

https://ghostbin.com/paste/yj54d

IN is still fucked

23:48:09 LordRothschild oh yeah

23:48:13 LordRothschild in case josh is in here

23:48:21 LordRothschild infinitydev is still fucked up

23:48:27 LordRothschild http://infinitydev.org/infinity/catalog

23:48:53 n-tech yeah still working on the catalog, I pushed that back a bit

23:48:58 n-tech there's a weird issue I can't work out

23:49:07 n-tech well I CAN work it out, but the optimal solution is unknown

23:49:16 n-tech see, I want the entire thing to be a link, a big fat tile to click on

23:49:24 n-tech but you can't put an <a> inside an <a>

23:49:27 n-tech that breaks the HTML flow

23:49:35 n-tech so I'm thinking I'm going to remove the tile link

23:49:41 n-tech and on the bottom left adjacent to Actions

23:49:47 n-tech I'll make an "Open" link

23:49:48 n-tech or something

This was back when Larachan still looked like crap.

2015-08-04

Local deamons

00:09:58 uguu n-tech: thoughts on allowing local daemons to talk with jsonrpc on a socketfile as to avoid the overhead of http?

00:10:19 n-tech probably a good idea, I don't know if it'd be in the immediate scope of the project. I understand what you want to do though.

00:10:37 uguu the problem is how?

00:10:49 n-tech jsonrpc would apparently require Java(?)

00:10:54 uguu nope

00:10:55 n-tech I can't require people setup Java or Python interpreters

00:11:04 uguu jsonrpc can be written in php but it'd suck

00:11:10 n-tech >php

00:11:25 n-tech Isn't that a websocket though

00:11:30 n-tech I've never dealt with sockets

00:11:33 uguu the problem isn't the jsonrpc part it's the socketfile part

00:12:01 uguu it's not a websocket, it's a socket file, like a filesystem pipe but a socket not a pipe

00:12:26 uguu like a fifo except it's a socket that can do accept() connect() sendto() etc

00:12:48 n-tech This would be really low priority. API work in general is milestone 5

00:13:18 n-tech Honestly, if you really wanted it to be done, you could wait for me to get the rest of the API stuff done and then do it yourself.

00:13:25 n-tech Not to say i'm not interested in supporting you or your project

00:13:26 uguu if your database schema is stable i can bypass all that and instead touch the database directly since you dynamically generate everything when someone requests stuff it will be there

00:13:33 uguu i get it, just throwing ideas out

00:13:52 n-tech yeah, API stuff is important to me. We'll be doing a lot of API work soon.

Something about payment

00:14:01 n-tech copy also has another idea I'm not sure I'm allowed to speak much about

00:14:08 uguu oh?

00:14:09 n-tech that would have a lot of api stuff to be done for it

00:14:24 uguu should i ask him about it in pm?

00:14:32 n-tech it's not directly related to the imageboard

00:14:48 n-tech but like

00:14:55 n-tech if you're good at merchant stuff, dealing and getting around paypal bullshit

00:14:56 n-tech then PM him

00:15:04 n-tech he'll probably tell you about it

00:15:28 uguu my paypal got locked and i never got around to unlocking it, i suck at that shit so nvm

00:15:31 n-tech I mention it because knowing how to properly and quickly deal with API requests may be a big advantage even with that

00:15:31 uguu :D

00:16:04 uguu to handle requests fast i'd just write the daemon in go and C

00:16:10 uguu or just flat go

00:17:08 uguu the best part about go is that it compiles straight to native code so you can do binary distributions if needed

HHVM

00:17:26 n-tech I recently set up HHVM on my server

00:17:37 uguu how is it?

00:17:40 n-tech extremely good

00:17:43 uguu neat

00:17:44 n-tech page generation is 50ms

00:17:49 n-tech it works by compiling PHP into C++

00:17:51 n-tech and then running that

00:17:55 uguu heh

00:17:56 n-tech it also levies a lot of caching

00:18:00 uguu so it is a jit

00:18:06 uguu er

00:18:11 uguu jit compiler

00:18:22 uguu sounds like pypy for php

00:18:32 n-tech you're probably right, this is too technical for me

00:18:39 uguu for me too

00:18:43 n-tech I believe I saw references to "jit" classes in the logs

00:18:44 uguu it gets black magical fast

00:18:49 n-tech yeah

00:18:55 n-tech HHVM is managed by a team of engineers for Facebook

00:18:58 n-tech the smartest people in the industry

00:19:06 n-tech I don't compare at all lol

00:19:15 uguu don't compare

00:19:52 n-tech yeah there's a really stark difference between like

00:19:57 n-tech a web developer and a software engineer

00:20:06 n-tech I hear a lot of people who do what we do calling themselves software engineers

00:20:08 n-tech and it's like

00:20:15 n-tech hey, faggot, unless you have a degree in engineering you ain't shit

00:20:34 StephenLynx srsly you guys are burning your heads over json rpcs?

00:20:36 StephenLynx that is like

00:20:41 StephenLynx how do I finger paint

00:21:05 uguu not in php

00:21:09 uguu with php it gets hard

00:21:18 StephenLynx :^)

00:21:21 StephenLynx sure thing, m8

00:21:30 StephenLynx is not like you can just code or decode json

00:21:34 uguu php doesn't really do anything outside the scope of CGI very well

00:21:44 StephenLynx http://php.net/manual/en/function.json-decode.php

00:21:44 StephenLynx oops

A good API

https://ghostbin.com/paste/p4bkg

whitespace sperging

00:30:56 uguu i never understood why anyone thinks tabs are good

00:30:58 StephenLynx you read my back-end code, right?

00:31:07 StephenLynx my front-end code is placeholder trash

00:31:23 uguu i mostly looked at the frontend and boot.js

00:31:25 uguu boot.js sucked

00:31:25 StephenLynx aaah

00:31:28 n-tech because it's 1 button press per indent, and anyone can adjust the widths of tabs to be what's most comfortable to them

00:31:37 StephenLynx yeah, you read the shittiest part.

00:31:42 StephenLynx boot.js is bad.

00:31:42 n-tech like if you say "4 spaces are better than 2" people get into fights over that

00:31:43 uguu n-tech: that's the problem, it's inconsistent

00:31:49 n-tech but with a tab indentation I can adjust it to be 4 or 5 or 2

00:32:03 n-tech it's not inconsistent, and if you want to align after the first non-tab character

00:32:05 n-tech then you use spaces

00:32:06 uguu your code can look any number of ways because of the tab indentation being different

00:32:13 n-tech and it works in every single editor ever.

00:32:20 uguu if someone uses the wrong tab size it'll look fucky

00:32:28 uguu hence, spaces master race

00:32:32 StephenLynx so no, I do use standards, I organize everything to the extreme and I comment stuff.

00:32:36 @linear is it bad practice to just route files without using laravel

00:32:40 n-tech nah, that's not true. It's only true in the instances where you are aligning text after the first non-space.

How files are served on IN

https://ghostbin.com/paste/orxm4

Thread tags'

02:25:38 n-tech btw uguu https://8ch.net/next/res/180.html#180

02:25:41 n-tech r8

02:25:47 uguu ?

02:25:53 n-tech rate my idea

02:26:06 n-tech view it without custom css if you want to see my mockup

02:26:14 uguu sounds very abusable

02:26:16 * uguu likes

02:26:59 uguu it would make it into twitter

[…]

02:27:04 uguu not sure if anyone would like that

02:27:17 StephenLynx like what

02:28:03 n-tech twitter?

02:28:18 n-tech it's more like this format

02:28:19 n-tech https://kiwifar.ms/forums/lolcows.16/

02:28:30 n-tech though maybe it's too forum-y an idea

02:28:32 n-tech who knows

02:28:41 n-tech I just thought it might help

02:29:19 uguu it's waaaaay too forumy

02:29:46 uguu at the current moment infinity-next needs to be much more imageboardy than forumy

02:29:57 uguu minimalism is the core of imageboard design

02:30:05 uguu IMO

02:30:25 n-tech tbh

02:30:30 n-tech I think that even 8chan has too much JS

02:30:35 n-tech tooo much monkeywrench stuff going on

02:30:35 uguu it does

02:30:41 uguu it has waaaaay too much js

02:30:48 n-tech I remember my autism being really bothered by 4chan's update

02:30:50 n-tech because it was like

02:30:52 n-tech i didn't use 4chanx

02:30:54 n-tech i don't want this

02:30:54 n-tech lol

02:31:03 uguu honestly an imageboard shouldn't have any js at all

02:31:16 n-tech well it needs some, like citations need a JS hook to input cites

02:31:33 uguu a "pure" imageboard would have as little js as possible

02:31:37 n-tech yes, I agree

02:31:41 n-tech and that's why I kept JS for last

02:31:46 n-tech I think a lot of people liked that decision too

02:31:56 uguu i should make srndv2 not use js for captcha

Brennan Captcha part 2

02:32:16 n-tech copy wrote his own captcha, have you seen?

02:32:21 uguu yes

02:32:23 n-tech I need to cut it up and make it into a proper OOP format

02:32:27 n-tech then I'm going to make it a Laravel package

02:32:31 uguu heh

02:32:51 uguu i just use some random captcha that some dude rolled on his own that has 0 external deps

02:32:58 uguu shit's neat

02:33:39 n-tech yes, that's the best

02:33:47 StephenLynx mine only depends on imagemagick

02:33:48 n-tech When I was setting up Laravel I was looking at using LESS? Or something similar

02:33:52 n-tech I wanted to try a fancy CSS type thing

02:33:54 n-tech and it required

02:33:54 n-tech SO

02:33:55 n-tech MUCH

02:33:57 n-tech BULLSHIT

02:34:14 n-tech I just threw it away, I had no interest in setting up 50 fucking hipster software packages to make writing CSS easier

02:34:28 uguu imagick is needed for thumbnails so a captcha requiring that is fine

02:34:37 n-tech not even, why not use GD also?

02:34:41 n-tech I told copy he cannot require imagick

02:34:45 n-tech I fucking hate setting imagick up

02:34:49 StephenLynx oh yea

02:34:56 StephenLynx sudo yum install -y imagemagiclk

02:34:59 StephenLynx SO FUKKEN HARD

02:35:05 n-tech there are some things GD cannot do but in creating a captcha

02:35:07 n-tech imagick is overkill

02:35:12 uguu or sudo apt install libmagickwand-dev

02:35:30 uguu imagick is absolutely not overkill

02:35:31 n-tech every time I've ever tried to use a debian package for imagick it fucks itself up

02:35:31 StephenLynx what a whinny bitch

02:35:36 n-tech I don't know how it manages

02:35:38 n-tech it's fucking magic

02:35:39 StephenLynx >debian

02:35:40 StephenLynx >server

02:35:43 uguu how can you fuck up debian?

02:35:44 StephenLynx you done fucked up

02:35:49 n-tech I don't, usually

02:35:51 n-tech only with imagick

02:35:55 uguu :|

02:35:57 n-tech i have like developer PTSD with imagick

02:36:02 StephenLynx no, you are a retard.

02:36:09 uguu Linux i2p.rocks 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt11-1 (2015-05-24) x86_64 GNU/Linux

02:36:10 uguu :D

02:36:19 n-tech do you use imagick?

02:36:20 n-tech er

02:36:22 n-tech debian'''

02:36:30 StephenLynx uguu, ask him what will he do to create thumbnails from media.

02:36:31 uguu i use debian for servers and containers

02:36:35 n-tech same

02:36:40 n-tech and people try to convince me to not use it like

02:36:44 StephenLynx if he can't setup imagemagick, he will die before setting up ffmpeg.

02:36:47 n-tech ooooh it's run by the SJWs

02:36:49 n-tech and im like.. so

02:36:55 uguu oh lol ffmpeg and libav

02:37:09 uguu idk if go has libav bindings or not

02:37:18 StephenLynx I just call from terminal.

02:37:23 uguu lame

8chan is down again

03:41:41 Jesus 8chan is down

03:41:44 Jesus i'm panicing

04:03:52 n-tech calm down

04:03:54 n-tech and give me your money

04:03:57 n-tech i will fix it

04:06:18 StephenLynx by fix he means dragon dildos and blow

04:07:06 StephenLynx oh fuck I have to pay my hosting lel

04:07:21 StephenLynx I wonder if they automatically bill me

04:07:31 StephenLynx that would be handy

04:36:56 StephenLynx daium 8chan is in the shitter these days, eh

2015-08-07

ghosts

15:50:53 LordRothschild rip chat

15:50:57 LordRothschild n-tech left

15:51:02 LordRothschild copypaste is pretty much never online

15:51:08 n-tech hi

15:51:09 LordRothschild such is life

15:51:11 ~copypaste hi

15:51:11 LordRothschild oh wow

15:51:14 LordRothschild lel

15:51:24 n-tech >tfw dead

15:51:29 ~copypaste RIP

15:51:30 LordRothschild you just had to pop up at the perfect time didn't you

15:51:30 ~copypaste I

15:51:30 n-tech copy how does it feel to be a spooky ghost like me

15:51:31 ~copypaste P

15:51:37 * n-tech spooks rothschild

15:51:38 ~copypaste ooo

15:51:42 LordRothschild oy vey

15:51:50 n-tech hey i'm not a jewish ghost that's mark

15:51:52 n-tech after /v/ kills him

15:51:58 ~copypaste necrophilia jew :^)

15:52:03 n-tech oy gevalt

Post histories

15:55:17 ~copypaste also he posts histories of everyone he doesn't like

15:55:20 ~copypaste sometimes i think

15:55:21 LordRothschild confederate chan plz implment

15:55:23 ~copypaste post histories were a mistake

15:55:29 n-tech like anime.

15:55:35 ~copypaste yeah, but like, a oworse mistake

15:55:36 ~copypaste than anime

15:55:43 n-tech we can get rid of it

15:55:46 n-tech we have the technology

15:55:57 n-tech people would probably like it

15:56:13 n-tech they respond very positively to me talking about modding my autopruner to drop IP data after 7 days

15:56:21 LordRothschild I haven't seen people like it when it was used by a mod often

15:56:22 n-tech I think we just have a userbase that values privacy above all else.

15:56:30 LordRothschild only a few rare cases when some /intl/ fag goes nuts

15:56:49 LordRothschild but even then I'd say post history is more of a global mod power than a board owner one

Revealing post histories is a trolling technique cooked up on another board

How's Next going?

15:57:54 LordRothschild how's infinity next going btw?

15:58:39 LordRothschild think you'll be able to get a beta working by september?

15:59:37 n-tech With any luck. If I bust enough ass.

15:59:43 n-tech Lots to do. It never ends.

15:59:46 n-tech Gotta go fast.

16:01:36 LordRothschild a board list would help a lot with the top bar

16:02:05 LordRothschild having a lot of links to boards really fucks up the mobile client in general

16:02:07 n-tech yes, the topbar needs to go. I don't like it.

16:02:15 n-tech Boardlist soon(tm).

16:02:59 n-tech God I fucking love it when I write jQuery and it just werks

16:03:07 n-tech I've done this for so many years I actually got kind of good at it

16:03:14 n-tech go figure

File format support

16:05:01 LordRothschild by the way

16:05:15 LordRothschild for stuff like pdfs, would it be feasible to include a preview pic?

16:05:45 LordRothschild or would that just eat too much bandwidth?

16:06:22 LordRothschild probably would just be too hard to read or too big anyways I guess, nvm

16:09:51 n-tech it's feasible but idk if it's worth the time

16:10:01 n-tech basically you'd need to install a lib called pdftopng or similar

16:10:13 n-tech then crop it 250x250

16:10:24 n-tech I've done a lot od PDF stuff for my old job

16:10:28 n-tech I would know exactly how to do it

16:10:36 n-tech i dont want to do that now though

16:10:41 LordRothschild fair enough

16:10:58 n-tech there's a LOT of validator stuff that requires 3rd party libs

16:11:01 n-tech for webm, epub, pdf, etc

16:11:03 n-tech it goes on and on

16:11:15 n-tech everything you want to have validated needs a lib

16:11:27 n-tech shit gets bloated and gross fast

16:11:29 n-tech needs proper love

2015-08-09

Stylesheet nitpickers

20:17:49 n-tech have you seen my API stuff at all

20:17:59 uguu i have not, link?

20:18:20 n-tech https://8ch.net/next/res/7.html#292

20:18:56 n-tech this is no longer local btw

20:18:56 n-tech https://infinitydev.org/update/thread/87.json

20:19:17 n-tech One thing I've added is inclusion of the HTML key

20:19:19 uguu oh god all those stylesheet nitpickers

20:19:22 n-tech which is used for streaming updates

20:19:35 n-tech I may make that a manual request

20:19:39 n-tech i.e. ?html

20:19:55 uguu WHY DOES THIS NOT HAVE PERFECT TEXT ALIGNMENT IN MY SHITTY NON-BROWSER!? YOU SUCK.

20:20:00 uguu ertc

20:20:02 uguu etc

20:20:31 n-tech I agree that design is important though. it'll all get evened out

20:20:41 n-tech CSS is my strength, I haven't truly had time to do JS and CSS wizardry

20:20:50 n-tech Again, for 2 years, I maintained 15,000 lines of jQuery

20:20:56 n-tech the most complicated input form in history

20:21:56 n-tech I may actually need to tone down the level of output here in general, hm

20:21:59 n-tech lots of information

20:23:18 n-tech today was a lazy day for me. I got stressed out because of drama so I took some time to relax. I still managed to commit a bugfix though

20:23:26 n-tech gotta keep my hands in or i might lose dilligence

Java Script

20:27:13 n-tech javascript is a dirty language

20:27:19 n-tech when i attended a jquery con in portland

20:27:22 uguu js isn't a language in my mind

20:27:27 n-tech people got offended when I called js ugly

20:27:29 n-tech and it's like

20:27:30 n-tech are you serious

20:27:36 n-tech it's typecasting is even more ambiguous than php

20:27:36 uguu it's as much as a language as applescript is

20:27:55 uguu (to me)

20:27:58 n-tech all those little js frustrations started pouring back into my consciousness recently

20:28:05 n-tech i got the autoupdater working with the new json stuff

20:28:08 n-tech and it's just like

20:28:09 n-tech fml lol

20:28:48 uguu javascript has 3 "null types" (null, undefined, NaN), objects, floating point numbers (NO integers) and strings

20:28:49 uguu that's it

20:28:54 uguu that's garbage

20:28:58 n-tech I once

20:29:01 n-tech wrote out a 5 paragraph essay

20:29:09 n-tech on how JavaScript deals with false-y

20:29:12 n-tech it's worse than that

20:29:34 n-tech you have null, undefined, NaN, false, then it deals with things like "", "0", 0, "false", etc

20:29:37 n-tech all very differently

20:29:43 n-tech and VERY unpredictably

20:29:55 n-tech whereas PHP is at least predictable, after a while it makes sense

20:30:03 n-tech my boss once sent me these equations and asked me to tell me what they evaluate to

20:30:07 n-tech without using the js console

20:30:11 n-tech and I got like, half of them wrong

20:30:15 n-tech because the thing is fucking insane

20:30:17 uguu makes sense

20:30:23 uguu you must have a shit boss

20:30:32 n-tech well he was shit but not for that

20:30:38 n-tech that was just a game like

20:30:41 n-tech "haha look at how silly js is"

2015-08-10 and 2015-08-14

/operate/

13:06:09 maksev so

13:06:26 maksev Operate was…incoherently spammed by intl again for 29 hours, due to that ima ask this here

13:06:33 maksev Why did TOR have to be removed?

13:08:59 ~copypaste tor wasn't removed.

13:09:20 ~copypaste the hosting is not working properly, and has been acting up a lot

13:09:27 ~copypaste i want to change its OS, but can only do that at home in a few hours

13:09:31 ~copypaste sorry for the inconvenience.

13:10:02 ~copypaste maksev: also /operate/ is basically abandoned due to all the spam/8chan being in feature freeze

oauth and some Ddos attempt against Kiwi

10:48:54 ~copypaste n-tech: have you considered oauth

10:49:01 ~copypaste e.g. "log in with your 8chan account"

10:49:12 ~copypaste sorry i can't resist this, because basically, banners.8ch.net does that …

10:49:21 ~copypaste "log in with your 8chan board owner account to conitnue" :^)

10:49:49 ~copypaste [at least i planning it in v2]

10:49:54 ~copypaste v1 is just "fix banners"

10:50:07 ~copypaste but v2 is "make it so people can upload new ones/delete ones they no longer like again"

10:51:05 ~copypaste it would be really useful to use some kind of oauth, even if only internally.

[…]

12:39:32 n-tech No, I can't say I've ever played with it

12:39:34 n-tech also

12:39:39 n-tech @ copypaste I'm PRETTY SURE someone is DDoS'ing my mailserver

12:39:53 n-tech I keep getting disconnected from ZNC and that's what it's hosted on

12:40:06 n-tech some sperg found my mx records for the kiwifar.ms and thinks that's the real IP

12:40:11 n-tech or the real IP of the webserver

12:40:12 n-tech ; ;

[…]

19:45:05 uguu n-tech: what kind of DDoS? volumetric?

19:45:28 uguu are they just crapspaming the line?

19:45:48 uguu full pipe etc

19:49:52 n-tech dunno

19:49:56 n-tech not happening anymore

Testing Lynx instead of Next

01:05:25 StephenLynx https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RzZppWU1jidNNC9Br9JeVQBHo4RjmnxOZoqjMN6XSJI/edit#gid=0 did I forgot to check anything for next?

01:06:36 Bui autism

01:49:12 StephenLynx hey, did anyone benchmarked next yet?

01:49:29 StephenLynx I am running some test for lynxchan here

01:49:31 StephenLynx Finished 1000 requests in 78327 ms

01:49:31 StephenLynx Average of 78.33ms per request

01:49:31 StephenLynx Concurrency level: 50

01:49:39 StephenLynx replying to a thread without posts.

01:50:04 StephenLynx db hardware: 512MB ram, 1 core

01:50:21 StephenLynx application hardware: 16gb ram, 4 cores

[…]

06:52:09 uguu my benchmark killed lynxhub.com … do'h

06:52:55 uguu i'm on my fone via 3g tcp vpn ssh

06:53:04 uguu @.@

06:53:25 uguu i lost my tmux session for 15 minutes

06:53:43 uguu then when i came back it wuzded

06:54:22 uguu >tfw lynxchan isn't webscale

2015-08-15

Secure trips

19:34:12 ~copypaste wow uguu

19:34:18 ~copypaste srnd's pictorial thing is very insecure

19:34:36 ~copypaste it only looks at the first 3 bytes and the last 3 bytes by defualt

19:35:00 ~copypaste this means it's trivial to generate keys that are visually the same

19:35:04 ~copypaste what the fuck

19:36:19 ~copypaste holy shit lol

19:36:31 ~copypaste brb generating fake keys for all tripfags on overchan

19:40:05 ~copypaste btw im talking about generate_pubkey_short_utf_8

20:12:30 uguu copypaste: where?

20:12:48 uguu copypaste: mine does the full

20:13:01 ~copypaste yes good but super long no?

20:13:12 ~copypaste im talking about original srnd btw not yours

20:13:15 uguu i'll use some css

20:13:18 uguu ah

20:13:22 ~copypaste "some css" <- lol

20:13:28 ~copypaste so you'll truncate it with CSS

20:13:31 ~copypaste that's no more secure.

20:14:07 uguu original has the full tripcode as a tooltip in the ui

20:14:11 ~copypaste what we really should do is come up with an encoding scheme that's not just simple "foreach byte add 9600 and call chr()"

20:14:17 uguu as do i

20:14:19 ~copypaste that would be short and good

20:14:55 uguu the utf thing is eye candy

20:15:14 uguu the tripcode is not truncated

20:16:54 ~copypaste the eyecandy is dangerously misleading

20:17:04 * uguu ?\(._.)/? idk

20:17:08 ~copypaste who is going to scroll over and check?

20:17:15 ~copypaste i do know, that it's bad. i will think of another one.

20:17:28 ~copypaste current trips are short. new trips should be easily verifiable.

20:17:41 ~copypaste even if i have to use randomart like openssh

20:17:51 ~copypaste your method is bad. not as bad as overchan's but bad.

20:22:25 ~copypaste e.g. uguu

20:22:35 ~copypaste 360ebe7865bc6da9ffbc72233d1ae4b3dfd2c7dedfd88c1f9724920412603038 ( 4e24DGCbNh7rmBsD8PGDn8fdDNFoQJZYzNNvBjxqEQEb )

20:22:46 ~copypaste left is base16, right is base58

20:23:00 ~copypaste if i made a base1024 it will be just a few symbols and emoji

20:27:06 uguu copypaste: okay

22:09:51 ~copypaste ok

22:09:58 ~copypaste uguu: i have a version 1

22:10:04 ~copypaste http://beta.8ch.net/cp/genkey

22:10:11 ~copypaste what do you think of the pictorial?

22:10:13 ~copypaste no data is lost

22:11:03 ~copypaste refresh a few times :^)

22:11:30 ~copypaste cc: n-tech

22:11:57 n-tech Many of its characters are missing to me ;~;

22:12:24 ~copypaste really

22:12:26 n-tech http://i.imgur.com/st33czp.png

22:12:28 n-tech yea

22:12:28 ~copypaste i'm doing this on winderps

22:12:32 n-tech here's what you should do

22:12:41 n-tech add a second method for getting the code as HTML

22:12:44 n-tech wrap it in a span

22:12:45 ~copypaste paste it in here

22:12:46 n-tech give it a class

22:12:49 ~copypaste so i know what ones are missing

22:12:53 n-tech and then in the CSS define its font as a compliant font

22:13:02 n-tech http://i.imgur.com/st33czp.png

22:13:03 ~copypaste oh ok

22:13:07 ~copypaste yes that makes sense

22:13:07 ~copypaste no

22:13:10 ~copypaste paste the actual string

22:13:21 n-tech ????????????????????????

22:13:46 ~copypaste ok, your computer doesn't like braille

22:14:18 ~copypaste actually

22:14:19 ~copypaste n-tech

22:14:22 ~copypaste that is completely ebin

22:14:26 ~copypaste i could put ridiculous symbols

22:14:28 ~copypaste like a trollface

22:14:30 ~copypaste or a spurdo

22:14:31 ~copypaste lol

22:14:45 ~copypaste and map them to unicode's private use area

22:15:12 n-tech yeah do whatever you want. you could make a completely custom font.

22:15:19 n-tech supply it with the software

22:15:23 n-tech call it 8PGP or whatever

22:15:25 n-tech :—DD

22:15:38 ~copypaste lol

22:16:24 ~copypaste so the pictorial is basically base 1700 something

22:16:29 ~copypaste lol

22:17:01 ~copypaste but i if i used my own symbol font

22:17:18 ~copypaste i could make it something actually sensible…

22:52:41 uguu copypaste: it doesn't work on android D:

22:53:07 uguu copypaste: they are called overchan tripcodes

22:56:15 ~copypaste i apparently picked some bad unicode blocks

22:56:22 ~copypaste ill make my own font tomorrow

22:56:43 ~copypaste and use whatever symbols i want :-DD

22:58:06 ~copypaste btw the new s/w is quite simple to extend

22:58:11 ~copypaste i learned easily

2015-08-18

Is Josh kill?

20:46:08 StephenLynx 3 days without commits

20:46:12 StephenLynx is josh kill?

20:49:31 uguu i haven't done anything for 3 days either

20:49:38 uguu i was at a conference

20:50:46 StephenLynx yeah, but not only you are not being paid 2k per month

20:51:07 StephenLynx but no one gives a damn

21:05:33 * uguu ?\(._.)/? idk

21:05:46 uguu i wish people cared about your project it's neato

21:06:31 uguu you'll need at least 10 full time devs to rebase your engine on top of a relational database when you see that it dies on relatively high load

21:10:07 uguu i like how it's not php

21:10:34 uguu as long as one doesn't need to hack any source it's all good

21:17:23 uguu also having a line of stable releases tagged would be cool

21:17:25 uguu like lts

21:17:34 StephenLynx I will try to push it again once I deploy 1.0

21:17:41 uguu eat

21:17:43 uguu neat

[…]

21:40:22 ~copypaste StephenLynx: n-tech works on a large commit for reporting.

21:40:31 StephenLynx ah

21:40:32 ~copypaste i'm sure he wants to get it right, but he's going quite slow with it.

21:40:39 Bui StephenLynx stop being so salty over lynxchan not being worth $2k :^)

21:41:10 StephenLynx I believe he wants to get it right after that ip leak stuff.

21:41:16 ~copypaste lynxchan is a mess. doesn't even support ipv6. actually it has a lot of problems, i looked over the code.

21:41:21 ~copypaste i defer to uguu

21:41:26 ~copypaste who also said it has many problems.

No need to go over the details here. The only thing that bothers Lynxchan in reality is a marketing blunder that doesn't matter right now.

local benchmark

21:55:48 ~copypaste but actually i am happy with n-tech progress and code layout

21:55:54 ~copypaste i haven't seen a file over 500 lines

21:56:00 StephenLynx have you benchmarked it yet?

21:56:01 ~copypaste very well documented, if confusion i just read laravel stuff

21:56:09 ~copypaste yes, i got 30 posts per second on my PC.

21:56:18 ~copypaste that's much higher than 8chan

21:56:37 StephenLynx what hardware did you used?

21:56:50 ~copypaste model name : AMD A10-6790K APU with Radeon(tm) HD Graphics

21:56:59 ~copypaste and SSD

21:57:01 ~copypaste and local network

21:57:07 uguu lol

21:57:09 ~copypaste similar to hwo real system will run.

21:57:10 uguu it still dies

21:57:21 ~copypaste (except real systems use better intel CPUs)

21:57:27 ~copypaste (i'm poor so my personal PC has AMd.)

21:57:50 StephenLynx what died, lynxchan?

21:57:51 uguu same script, same effect, it ded

21:57:55 uguu yup

21:57:55 ~copypaste oh, also, gnu/linux of course

2015-08-20

IN install error

01:23:48 StephenLynx oh lawdy PHP

01:23:49 StephenLynx Error: php55w-common conflicts with php-common-5.4.16-36.el7_1.x86_64

01:24:18 StephenLynx I guess I won't benchmark next after all.

01:25:09 >> nugger (~nugger@8chan.JJoUM) has joined #8chan-dev

01:41:32 StephenLynx uguu did you managed to install php-gd along with php 5.5.9+?

01:48:42 uguu huh?

01:48:54 uguu you're on arch linux?

01:55:41 StephenLynx centO

01:55:44 StephenLynx centOS*

01:56:12 StephenLynx does it just werks on arch?

01:56:37 StephenLynx I understand it is happening because the default packages for pgp-gd are outdated.

01:57:13 StephenLynx even though I think a global install for this kind of stuff is unnecessary.

@Balrog: Null isn't a SA plant. Wrong age bracket and too much butthurt over a lost autism forum. This legend was made up by former Warosufags.

Sportsmanship

20:12:15 StephenLynx some dudes are spamming /next/ copypaste n-tech

20:12:52 StephenLynx great fucking timing, my thread went to page 3

20:12:57 StephenLynx ffs

20:14:29 ss997 you love it

20:15:49 StephenLynx no

20:15:53 StephenLynx I don't

20:15:58 ss997 yes you do

20:15:59 ss997 shut up

20:16:04 StephenLynx I like competing

20:16:04 ss997 it's fine

20:16:16 StephenLynx some dude bashing the guy I am trying to compete against with a club is not fun

20:19:28 ~copypaste cc n-tech

20:19:42 n-tech ?

20:19:42 StephenLynx wat

20:19:46 n-tech I don't see any text

20:19:50 StephenLynx he got me on ignore

20:19:54 StephenLynx :^)

20:20:00 ~copypaste ah jeus

20:20:06 ~copypaste 08:12:15 StephenLynx some dudes are spamming /next/ copypaste n-tech

20:20:06 ~copypaste 08:12:52 StephenLynx great fucking timing, my thread went to page 3

20:20:06 ~copypaste 08:12:57 StephenLynx ffs

20:20:09 ~copypaste 08:16:16 StephenLynx some dude bashing the guy I am trying to compete against with a club is not fun

20:20:11 ~copypaste 08:19:50 StephenLynx he got me on ignore

20:20:11 ~copypaste 08:19:54 StephenLynx :^)

20:20:15 ~copypaste CC n-tech

20:20:30 n-tech oh okay, thanks

20:20:45 ~copypaste you made me sit up

20:20:50 ~copypaste i was using the onboard virtual keyboard thing

20:20:52 ~copypaste in gnu/linux

20:20:55 ~copypaste hope you're happy :^)

20:21:22 ss997 >tfw not ignored by 8chan people

20:21:31 ss997 feels not bad at all man

20:21:35 ~copypaste yes, 8chan is governed by a guy that can't even sit up for long periods without getting back pain

20:21:39 ~copypaste it's probably doomed

20:21:45 ~copypaste back to laying down :^)

Race Queen

https://ghostbin.com/paste/fqdva

2015-08-25

Still a lot to do

12:29:24 darlene im looking at infinity-next

12:29:31 darlene and its really pretty awesome

12:29:34 darlene n_n

12:29:40 ~copypaste oh well that's n-tech's work mostly

12:29:49 darlene i heard you were involved though

12:29:55 n-tech copypaste is my cheerleader

12:30:04 n-tech he does a pretty sick routine

12:30:09 darlene haha it took me a little while to get it working

12:30:12 ~copypaste and the reason it has a good captcha, transactions and secure tripcodes

12:30:13 ~copypaste :^)

12:30:19 darlene but now that its up its actually really cool to play with

12:30:20 n-tech in theory

12:30:24 ~copypaste and soon binary ips

12:30:28 ~copypaste in theory yeah ;_;

12:30:28 n-tech did you commit to the repo?

12:30:36 ~copypaste wow rude

12:30:42 n-tech oh you got me excited

12:30:45 n-tech SORRY

12:30:45 darlene hahha

12:30:53 darlene hey, just so that i'm not crazy

12:31:01 darlene theres no way to delete boards from the ui yet is there

12:31:04 darlene ????

12:31:09 n-tech no, there isn't. sorry. the ACP is really lacking

12:31:13 darlene nonono

12:31:14 darlene its fine

12:31:17 ~copypaste are reports done yet n-tech

12:31:19 darlene i was considering writing it

12:31:25 n-tech n-no. I got burnt out and took that week off.

12:31:26 n-tech sorry

12:31:29 ~copypaste wow

Burnt out

12:31:30 n-tech It was getting to a point where like

12:31:38 n-tech I was staring at the code and couldn't focus for hours

12:31:38 ~copypaste what if i get burned out and don't take you to makati for your visa

12:31:43 ~copypaste oops sorry burned out :^)

12:31:55 n-tech good thing you've had a 3 week break since the last time we did anything

12:31:59 n-tech should be all refreshed now

12:31:59 ~copypaste hahaha

12:32:04 ~copypaste sigh

12:32:06 ~copypaste ok

12:32:17 ~copypaste i don't think commuting back and forth is much of a break

12:32:18 ~copypaste ;_;

12:32:22 darlene i was looking at some posts and the project seems like, really new?

12:32:25 n-tech yeah fuck that

12:32:28 darlene within 6 months?

12:32:30 darlene or even 3?

12:32:32 ~copypaste you're mean 2 me

12:32:34 n-tech yes, darlene. 3 or 4 now

12:32:39 darlene ;D

12:32:43 darlene this is really awesome

12:33:00 n-tech Thanks. It's rare to get like, positive feedback

12:33:02 ~copypaste this software will soon run one of the world's largest chans :^)

12:33:09 n-tech I've got 4 guys from Brazil ripping on me right now in /next/ for absence

12:33:09 n-tech lol

12:33:10 ~copypaste it will be very complete eventually

12:33:19 ~copypaste i'm not brazilian

12:33:20 ~copypaste make it 5

Next on other sites

https://ghostbin.com/paste/s98qc

Feature creep

12:41:12 ~copypaste im prettys ure he'll accept any feature as long as you can turn it off

12:41:18 n-tech "hey can we have feature-y from 4chanX?"

12:41:19 n-tech lol

12:41:19 ~copypaste we are all about feature creep :^)

12:41:22 darlene little things that just take a lot of knowledge in the codebase

12:41:24 n-tech 4chanX apparently does everything

12:41:35 darlene orly

12:41:35 n-tech mmm the problem with js features is that

12:41:41 n-tech my front-end architecture is not done

12:41:43 n-tech it's still fetal

12:41:51 n-tech so feature creep there could be very bad right now

12:41:53 darlene yeah you dont want to be stuck to js

12:42:11 darlene you need more stuff for mods and admins before you focus on user facing features

12:42:11 n-tech it'd basically end up just like how vichan is right now

12:42:15 darlene rofl

12:42:17 n-tech where like, everything is just vomitted into random files

12:42:21 darlene hahahahhahah

12:42:21 n-tech and hooks into different css selectors

Null's other activities and focus problems

12:43:41 n-tech I host a lot of shit now, it's crazy

12:43:59 darlene i've spent a lot of time trying to unfuck kusabax

12:44:07 n-tech I run a Teamspeak server, Mumble server, mail server for 10 different domains, 5 static HTML pages, 5 wordpress blogs, 2 Xenforo Forums, and a MediaWiki.

12:44:08 darlene but as we all know it's just not possible

12:44:23 ~copypaste a mediawiki

12:44:29 ~copypaste do you secretly run sonichu.com

12:44:35 n-tech https://lolcow.wiki

12:44:39 darlene rofl

12:44:48 n-tech it's so out of date

12:44:53 n-tech except

12:44:57 n-tech i"m adding in striker stuff slowly now

12:45:01 n-tech https://lolcow.wiki/wiki/Strikerwolf1

12:45:06 n-tech that guy made 2 more videos

12:47:46 ~copypaste ok

12:47:54 ~copypaste i kind of knew this would happen

12:48:09 ~copypaste at least we got a lot of months of dev effort before you lost interest and went back to lolcow stuff

12:48:09 n-tech that he'd fixate on me?

12:48:17 n-tech loool

12:48:17 ~copypaste i'll come over tonight and work on it more with you

12:48:25 n-tech That's not what happened dude

12:48:34 n-tech For like 4 weeks straight I didn't play a game or do anything

12:49:00 n-tech I didn't take weekends off. I don't go out. I don't have a night life.

12:49:13 darlene i have to say its actually in really good shape

12:49:25 n-tech well he's complaining about the cycle

12:49:30 darlene it looks friendly to hack on

12:49:34 n-tech https://github.com/jaw-sh

12:49:40 n-tech see how there's ebbs and flows?

12:49:45 n-tech that's how my brain works

12:49:58 n-tech I go sonic fast and then get a burnout and have to hard reboot

12:50:05 ~copypaste okay po

12:50:09 darlene right, you need to rebuild your seritonin and dopamine levels after you burn through them

12:50:18 darlene take vitamins

12:50:36 ~copypaste hmm

12:50:38 ~copypaste Seritonin

12:50:45 ~copypaste antidepressants are seretonin pills

12:50:48 ~copypaste it all makes sense :^)

12:50:56 darlene no they are selective reuptake inhibitors

12:51:02 darlene they FUCK with your shit

12:51:14 n-tech they're OTC in the PH

12:51:14 ~copypaste nuh uh

[…]

12:52:21 n-tech I feel really good now I just need a focus

12:52:31 ~copypaste reports

12:52:33 ~copypaste :^)

12:52:34 n-tech My issue is like

12:52:48 n-tech when I have a lofty idea of how to do something if I don't sit down and figure it all out I get frustrated and avoid it

12:52:57 n-tech There's an issue with how reports are structured in the DB

12:53:03 n-tech where elevation/demotion don't make sense

12:53:05 n-tech I have to work that out

12:53:06 n-tech ;~;

12:53:17 ~copypaste just copy what was done for 8chan

12:53:20 ~copypaste 8chan's report system works fine

12:53:22 ~copypaste and you made it

12:53:25 n-tech lol

12:53:30 ~copypaste ;;

2015-08-26

Deadlocks

https://ghostbin.com/paste/nswv6

KYM interview

05:45:29 uguu anyways… you're doing great regardless

05:45:50 uguu i would've killed myself by now if i was in your place

05:45:52 ~copypaste it's been tough

05:48:51 uguu copypaste: you need some drugs

05:51:37 dusty 8chan is fucking awesome

05:51:45 dusty i read your interview on KNOW YOUR MEME

05:51:59 dusty tfw I will never be interview on KYM

05:52:20 ~copypaste yeah i gave that interview at starbucks with a dude with a trollface t-shirt

05:52:26 ~copypaste X-DDD

05:52:56 dusty oh mgo god

05:52:58 dusty haha

05:53:49 uguu copypaste: seriously? loool

This part is rather belongs in the realm of trivia. Moving on.

8chan's traffic

09:15:11 uguu copypaste: you SERIOUSLY get THAT much traffic!?

09:15:14 uguu @.@

09:16:16 uguu fuck now it's trying to sync in ALLLLLLL the threads from the old site

[…]

10:26:11 ~copypaste 09:15:11 uguu copypaste: you SERIOUSLY get THAT much traffic!?

10:26:16 ~copypaste lol welcome to my fucking life my friend

10:26:20 uguu :D

10:26:28 ~copypaste i'm handling this on old sandy bridge servers, NFS and PHP

10:26:41 uguu daaaang sonb

10:26:55 uguu that was a good run

10:28:36 ~copypaste now im going to write a serious twitlonger post

10:28:39 ~copypaste where i beg for help

10:29:19 @linear status update?

10:29:19 ~copypaste i'm sorry linear

10:29:21 @linear or are you gonna just post it there

10:29:25 @linear also yeah, uh

10:29:26 ~copypaste linear: yes

10:29:26 @linear they'll mostly leave

10:29:34 @linear i'll check your twitter then in a sec

10:29:37 ~copypaste no

10:29:39 @linear oh

10:29:40 ~copypaste there's nothing there …

10:29:46 @linear yeah i mean after you post it

10:29:46 ~copypaste other than a pic of our 200 load average

10:29:47 ~copypaste lol

10:29:49 @linear but couldn't it be in read only mode?

10:29:52 @linear or something right now?

10:29:55 @linear anything but 100% down?

10:30:26 ~copypaste i want people to know what's happening

10:30:32 ~copypaste other than just try try trying to post

10:30:34 ~copypaste getting frustrated

10:30:51 ~copypaste what good is a read only chan site?

10:30:56 ~copypaste especially for an extended period

10:31:04 @linear 90% of browsing users don't even post so

10:31:09 @linear probably pretty okay

[…]

10:31:29 @linear it creats less panic/drama (..but that could sometimes be a negative thing, i guess)

10:31:46 Jesus I'm finding this downtime to be pretty oppressive

10:33:28 ~copypaste linear: it is a negative thing

10:33:32 ~copypaste beause people think the site is up

10:33:35 ~copypaste when really, down.

10:33:41 ~copypaste and then they email me thinking it's just them

10:33:49 ~copypaste i did this because i exhausted all other options of fixing posting

10:33:54 ~copypaste and am requesting outside expertise.

10:33:57 ~copypaste sorry.

10:34:01 @linear yeah.

10:34:04 ~copypaste you know that mod.php has gone down every day this month

10:34:07 @linear possibly way to add blotter on the top of pages?

10:34:10 @linear saying it's in read-only

10:34:11 ~copypaste we're hitting our limit and i don't know what else to do

10:34:15 ~copypaste if php is down i can't

10:34:19 ~copypaste add a lbotter

10:34:20 @linear yeah you'd have to do like

10:34:25 ~copypaste rebuild every thread

[…]

10:34:29 ~copypaste on every board

10:34:29 Jesus use sed

10:34:32 @linear manual magic, as in

10:34:32 ~copypaste lol

10:34:34 @linear Jesus: yeah

10:34:37 @linear that's what I thought of ,but

10:34:40 @linear >doing that on production

10:34:49 ~copypaste good way to brick the site

looking for a solution

10:34:58 @linear I thought of like find files | xargs magical sed

10:35:07 @linear what could possibly go wrong

10:36:11 >> koopa (~koopa@fuck.you) has joined #8chan-dev

10:36:24 ~copypaste linear: I/O

10:36:50 ~copypaste just raw disk ops that'll take forever

10:36:52 ~copypaste to execute.

10:36:58 @linear yeah.

[…]

11:00:09 melonstorm That's the evident problem with generating static sites.

11:00:27 uguu unless you put everything in /dev/shm

11:00:29 uguu :^D

11:00:33 melonstorm Might be more optimal in a rewrite to rely on heavy caching.

11:00:43 melonstorm In memory, that is.

11:00:53 melonstorm Putting everything in /dev/shm would work, too. :P

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19:47:59 uguu right now my "caching stratgey" for threads is /dev/shm

19:48:40 uguu i would ideally like to cache the Post models so I don't refetch the entire thread and their posts every time i need to regenerate

20:08:41 czaks copypaste: for such situations you can use smart_build

20:11:09 czaks which isn't perfect, but if you want to update blotter ASAP it's ok

There you have it: The very reason for the early beta. Wanna bet I find something conerning this in September?

2015-08-27

Double posts

15:47:37 dusty >try to post

15:47:44 dusty >gets to 95% and jams there

15:49:02 dusty >keep trying, it finally gets through on 3rd try

15:49:05 dusty >"flood detected"

15:49:08 dusty >post still not there

15:49:21 dusty colo website

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19:40:54 uguu copypaste: [purging intensifies]

19:41:29 ~copypaste :3

19:41:34 ~copypaste almost 2000 purges already

19:41:37 ~copypaste works good now

19:41:44 ~copypaste we had 10 purge errors per second before

19:41:45 ~copypaste now 0

19:41:49 uguu noice

19:42:00 uguu is it still a ball of tape?

19:42:51 ~copypaste hmm

19:42:55 ~copypaste yeah.

19:43:04 ~copypaste maybe you can see some box now though

19:43:05 uguu can we play football with it?

19:43:07 ~copypaste before it was no box just tape

19:43:23 uguu (real football not american hand egg)

19:43:34 ~copypaste says the American

19:43:47 uguu I aint no american

19:43:53 uguu I'm from the internet :^)

Null's sleeping pattern

19:44:17 uguu where's joshyboi when you need him?

19:45:33 ~copypaste he has a very weird sleeping schedule

19:47:06 uguu still in philoland?

19:47:46 ~copypaste lol

19:47:47 ~copypaste yeah

19:47:59 ~copypaste but it's 7pm here

19:48:02 uguu since i recently got my passport renewed maybe i'll fly down to say hai to you guys and poke fun at josh for being a lolcow

[…]

20:39:49 StephenLynx btw

20:39:57 StephenLynx did you remember when I asked you about josh

20:40:05 StephenLynx and you told me he was working on a big commit

20:40:21 StephenLynx but in the end he was just goofing around because he got burnt out?

21:04:43 ~copypaste he told me he was working on a big commit

21:04:44 ~copypaste :^)

21:05:03 ~copypaste and then later was getting burned out

21:05:07 ~copypaste but the reports did get committed

21:05:10 ~copypaste which was a big commit

21:05:15 ~copypaste so, there is that eh?

21:05:54 StephenLynx just see if you did remember.

2015-08-28

Databases

https://ghostbin.com/paste/w67z9

The Permisson System's complexity

04:12:53 StephenLynx you can't make good software designed around your wish to jerk yourself off, either. like that permission system.

04:13:13 StephenLynx whats the complexity of that? 20 ^ 3?

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04:13:32 uguu StephenLynx: complexity of what?

04:13:43 StephenLynx are you aware of how his user permission system works?

04:13:52 uguu no idk how it works

04:14:00 StephenLynx oh, you are in for a treat.

04:14:05 StephenLynx it goes like this, more or less:

04:14:10 StephenLynx there are roles in the system

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04:14:29 StephenLynx and you define the permissions of each action per role

04:14:45 StephenLynx and you have 3 states on each action, afaik: blocked, allowed and inherited from parent role

04:14:52 StephenLynx because roles can inherit from others

04:14:58 uguu oh god inheritance

04:15:12 StephenLynx so the total amount of unique roles is about 8 fucking thousand

04:15:20 StephenLynx because there are about 20 permissions

04:15:33 uguu that doesn't sound very fun to maintain

04:15:37 uguu so many cases

04:15:47 StephenLynx yeah, when I saw that I farted

04:15:59 StephenLynx its pants on head retarded levels of complexity

04:16:03 StephenLynx that no one needed

[…]

04:16:49 StephenLynx why do you think hes taking 10 days to commit stuff like "success condition for reports"?

04:17:06 StephenLynx and now god knows how long to just transition ips from strings?

[…]

04:17:09 uguu StephenLynx: because unit test coverage?

04:17:25 StephenLynx does next have tests? it doesnt even have docs.

[…]

04:41:10 StephenLynx > There's a bunch of work in the tubes that I can't commit in parts because it'd break the entire application for anyone else trying to set it up.

04:41:14 StephenLynx that is why you use fucking tags

04:41:32 StephenLynx with io.js if you just pull the latest commit and build you are fucked

04:41:35 StephenLynx sideways

04:41:48 StephenLynx its up to you to not be a fucking retard and checkout a tag.

PHP

04:21:44 melonstorm I very much dislike PHP, by the way. I know there's legitimate reasons for using it, like programmer familiarity, but the whole CGI-esque model of PHP adds a class of problems and it's a shitty, incoherent language in general.

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04:22:31 StephenLynx >like programmer familiarity

04:22:35 StephenLynx moot point.

04:22:39 StephenLynx everyone that knows PHP hates it.

04:22:45 melonstorm StephenLynx, not true.

04:22:59 melonstorm There's plenty of people who love the shit out of PHP. Unfortunately, they're a problem group.

04:23:07 StephenLynx exactly.

04:23:22 StephenLynx so you will either have retarded people that like it or sane people that won't touch the codebase.

04:25:17 Bui php sucks is my favourite meme

04:25:24 Bui next to 'nodejs ftw'

04:27:31 melonstorm node.js sucks, too. :B

04:27:39 melonstorm For different reasons, however. Mostly callback hell.

04:27:59 melonstorm Still, it doesn't suck as much as PHP.

04:28:45 StephenLynx callback hell is an issue with retarded people, not with the tool.

04:28:50 Bui but melonstorm you used to do it for free on a furry typefucking website written in php

04:28:59 Bui how can you say bad things about it

04:29:02 melonstorm :B

04:29:12 melonstorm The codebase was a pile of shit.

2015-08-29

preventing dataloss

20:34:33 n-tech I cannot rely on anything that is OS or DB reliant

20:34:33 ~copypaste i understand

20:34:36 ~copypaste when i copy the nfs over

20:34:40 ~copypaste i'll be copying it over to a ZFS

20:34:44 n-tech like I can't use MySQL specific features or FreeBSD features

20:34:47 ls n-tech: bloody stupid imo

20:34:52 n-tech >imo

20:34:52 ls but I told you thatbefore

20:35:00 ~copypaste i actually think it's smart

20:35:01 ~copypaste ( ???)

20:35:01 czaks COW filesystems perform poorly on databases

20:35:09 ~copypaste "COW"?

20:35:15 czaks Copy-On-Write

20:35:16 ls copy-on-write

20:35:25 ~copypaste ok

20:35:32 czaks dunno, maybe zfs disables COW for databases

20:35:35 czaks somehow

20:36:03 czaks i use BTRFS and i have to do chattr to disable COW

20:36:18 ls btrfs a shit

20:36:18 czaks so i write databases on an XFS

20:36:36 ls I use it for my data and I often wish I didn't

20:36:50 czaks ls: i use it for like 5 years now i believe

20:36:55 ls but it's still the best native fs for linux that supports transparent compression

20:37:14 ls roughly two years here

20:37:16 czaks and i never lost any data

20:37:20 ls me neither

20:37:21 ls but

20:37:28 czaks despite disk failures etc.

20:37:33 czaks unstable code

20:37:42 ls say you have an external btrfs disk that you're writing to

20:37:51 ls and you do it at full usb2 bandwidth

20:38:09 ls then writes waiting on that disk will block writes on your root which is a totally different disk

20:38:18 ls that's just fucking stupid

20:38:22 czaks sure it is

20:38:39 czaks but aren't SATA disks slower than USB?

20:38:45 czaks USB 2 i mean

20:38:49 ls no

20:39:10 ls also muh cache flushes hanging the system

20:39:21 ls "hanging"

20:40:16 ls since I don't use snapshots I've never lost data with btrfs, but its performance characteristics leave to wish for

Software for morons

20:45:59 ls n-tech: well one issue with making software usable for idiots is that idiots will use it

20:46:23 n-tech :'(

20:46:49 ls another issue is that all the abstractions you have to use to cater for shit-tier databases will make parts of the code rather slow or unnecessarily complicated

20:46:53 n-tech I don't consider people incapable of setting up a webserver on their own to be idiots

20:46:55 n-tech Just uneducated

20:47:04 n-tech There's no reason to not make small efforts to increase accessibility.

20:47:07 ls in my experience there's a large overlap

20:47:09 n-tech Sometimes that's what needs to be done.

20:47:44 ls source of experience: lots of minecraft servers hosted by kiddies, also shit tier imageboards that only lived a few months each

20:47:46 n-tech I tried to set up a Reddit clone once for GamerGate and the amount of fucking bullshit involved in that

20:47:54 n-tech so much fucking bullsit, undocumented hipster software

20:47:58 n-tech it might as well be proprietary

20:48:03 ls you can make setup easy without having to support shit-tier databases

20:48:52 ls and then you don't have to deal with ORM abstraction layers

20:49:03 n-tech Your argument of "you shouldn't make your software accessible because I want imageboard hosting to be a small club accessible to only people I believe to deserve it" is absolutely falling flat on me

20:49:10 n-tech so is your argument that ODB abstraction is anything but beautiful

20:49:48 ls definitely.

20:50:40 ls another design choice that is bloody stupid is to be webserver agnostic

20:51:05 ls nginx runs on all systems worth supporting, so why not leverage it

21:21:02 ~copypaste .clear bans

21:21:02 – Mode #8chan-dev [-b *!*@bi.na.ry] by Hachi-chan

21:21:32 ~copypaste ls: i agree with you, but i also think there should be fallbacks.

21:21:45 ~copypaste several inext features leverage a feature in one system but fallback if it's not there

21:21:52 ~copypaste for example, if there's no ffmpeg it won't generate a video

21:21:59 ~copypaste the secure trps i'm working on only work if you have libsodium

21:22:02 ~copypaste etc

I can confirm ls's experience, because I have sniffed out who he actually is. All these small IBs he is talking about were either a six month affair or are dead.

2015-08-31

TOR posting

07:10:56 n-tech @ uguu you're very familiar with Tor, right?

07:11:10 n-tech Do you have any idea how I would go about checking if the request is going through a HS using Nginx or Apache?

07:11:23 n-tech I'm thinking I should push all HS traffic through an index-tor.php so I can configure certain environmental variables differently

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07:20:55 uguu n-tech: it'd be from a loopback address

07:21:55 uguu n-tech: the way i do my tor setup for hosting is i have a lxc for tor, a lxc for databases, a lxc for each webapp and a lxc that does passive monitoring

07:22:17 n-tech lxc?

07:22:18 uguu n-tech: that way tor isn't coming from loopback it's coming from 10.0.1.6

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07:26:40 uguu n-tech: yes

07:26:48 uguu linux contain

07:26:51 uguu linux container

07:26:59 uguu like a bsd jail except on linux and not as good

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07:27:35 n-tech That sounds horribly complicated

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07:29:21 uguu n-tech: it's not

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07:31:44 uguu n-tech: it's the typical setup if you do hidden services correctly

07:37:57 uguu like, if you don't jail things and apply proper firewalling you're going to get boned

07:38:00 uguu hard

07:42:59 leg uguu, how do you manage your lxc containers?

07:43:10 leg i've been trying to set it up with libvirt but it's mess

07:43:12 uguu secret sauce

07:43:13 leg I use libvirt for kvm

07:43:14 uguu :^D

adventure mode

10:34:26 n-tech I'm programming a silly feature right now

10:34:31 n-tech because I wanted to do something fun

10:34:37 n-tech I'll show you guys in a bit, it's not complicated

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12:14:52 n-tech okay

12:14:58 n-tech I have added adventure to infinity next

12:14:59 n-tech https://infinitydev.org/cp/adventure

12:15:06 n-tech follow link, wait for board to open, make post

12:15:09 n-tech experience adventure

12:17:06 koopa cool

12:17:47 n-tech do you not feel adventurous now

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12:18:02 koopa >

12:18:02 koopa There's no where to go for an adventure. :(

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12:19:40 n-tech koopa, you can only have 1 adventure per board

12:19:41 n-tech :(

12:20:40 koopa it took me to /b/ then /mu/ then I got that text

12:21:51 n-tech it creates an adventure token when you visit a board that lasts an hour

12:22:04 n-tech if you create a post in that hour you get a little space ship in your post saying you're an adventurer

12:22:25 n-tech but it only goes to active boards, active in the last 48 hours

12:22:27 n-tech and only once

12:22:33 n-tech so i hope it'll encourage people to explore

12:25:01 koopa that's cool regards coolfrog

>>594

That adventure mode was the most retarded bullshit ever josh shat out.