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 No.3549

The heaviest bluepill in politics or perhaps in general is that race isn't real and that humans can't go through speciation. The roots of this ideology are back in the enlightenment era when men believed that having some brown persons dressed up and taught to speak proper english proved their ideas of everyone being created equal.
With this as the primary argument it follows that many important and interesting questions are left outside of the frames of the discussion. This is a tactic used by leftists regularly - Pay Attention.
When you get accused of talking about race which isn't real anyways you evil white patriarch you are being prompted to defend yourself. This has already had the desired affect if all you follow up with is how humans were isolated for thousands of years on separate continents with almost no transfer between them. We now have proof that the little transfer there was would be like putting polar bears in the amazon in otherwords genes that helped you survive in one area wouldn't help you so much in a completely different area especially if they made you appear strange and become an outcast from society.
So important and interesting questions like which traits would help you survive in 1000 BC India as opposed to 1000BC scandinavia are left out of the discussion altogether. Questions like whether it even makes sense that simply adding as much diversity as possible to the genepool is beneficial. And why would it be? Snakes don't need amphibian genes though their diversity would surely be increased if they had more of those. What about questions like if there are many known recessive genes that cause diseases when homozygous then surely there must be some recessive genes that benefit the organism when homozygous?

Race can not exit. It can not be allowed to. For if it did then the class warfare of hating the rich for being rich would end. The real warfare of hating the banksters and lawmakers that control the currency and landownership would be distinguishable from simply hating the rich. We could not be guilt tripped to accept the tightening noose of economic poverty in the name of helping the poor.

If race exists then it is justified to encourage as many of the european race as possible to have as many kids as possible in the current times. If race does not exist then everyone must equally be encouraged not to have more than 1 child.

Race is a social construct. Stop being so privileged you white patriarch!

 No.3552

>>3549
I was going to respond to this but is so rambling , disjointed , out of syntax ,and just awkwardly written i don't even now how to respond to it. I wouldn't even know what set of ideas i'd be responding to.

 No.3554

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 No.3558

>>3549
I don't mind discussing the point. I've noticed that certain races have in fact adapted to different climates, and ewith IQ scores and other tests of both physical and mental capacities, it's tempting to say that different races do exist.

Then again, we also categorize people based on ethnicity and culture. I wonder what the word "race" means - if it's an inclusion of both physical and mental characteristics, along with ethnic and cultural differences, then it has to be a reality.

That said, I think it's silly to hate blacks because they're blacks. If they're prone to violent behaviour, then a mature society would realize this and try to think of ways to dissuade them from it.

Living in a society that fears differentiating people based on race though creates many of its own problems, and I think that in the coming years, we'll start to see more and more frustration with the all-compromising democracy.

 No.3563

species are defined by wether or not the offspring are fertile. all races fall under homo sapiens sapiens, and can interbreed with no serious issues.

a closer analogy would be breeds, like dogs, but even then, dogs breeds are much more genetically diverse than anything humans have. (imagine a race of human great danes or chihuahuas).

also your post is rambling and hard to read and none of the paragraphs seem to have anything to do with eachother.

 No.3702

I'm not a biologist, but I'm fairly sure that humans can go through speciation. Any animal can go through speciation, and since humans are animals, humans can go through speciation.
Is it going to happen in the next, say 200 years?
I doubt it. Doesn't speciation take a long time? Upon googling and finding the following result ( http://www.rationalskepticism.org/evolution/human-speciation-t8343.html ) that speciation would take 5,000,000 years of separation, of which we've had about 50,000 at most, it seems that speciation is very far off. And with multiculturalism, I doubt it will happen at all.

There are different races, people suited to hotter or colder climates, with larger or smaller amounts of UV, larger or smaller balls depending on how promiscuous the women are (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monogamous_pairing_in_animals#Testis_size ).

And why should white people be encouraged to have more children? One way of seeing the state of things is that people in developed countries have fewer children so that they can provide more for their children. If they have more children, then their children will be worse off.

Yes there may be more african people than white people, but in general, white people have more power and influence than african people.

 No.3780

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I know OP is a gentleman, but I like these conversations so I'll contribute.
I wrote this up in a word doc and copy pasted it into the comment, if there are any layout errors it is due to this and I apologize.

The categorization of race is most often viewed in terms of skin color. The issue
with grouping peoples based off of skin color, is that skin has many different shades.
Pigmentation is a dynamic spectrum, not a static constant.
In the early twentieth century, biological anthropologists used anthropometrics as a way
to attempt to find distinctions in geographical population groups. Anthropometry is the
practice of measuring minute details in an individual in order to find variation and
likeness with others in their group. What was found was that there is no physical trait
specific to one population group, this makes defining race through outward appearance
impossible. As humans our physical traits are caused by our
genetics, our genotype. Genes are mediated by the environment in which the individual
resides. The way in which the genes are expressed as a physical characteristic is called
the phenotype. A phenotype is a range of normative reaction for a specific gene. Because
of this range, the phenotypes of two individuals with an identical genotype can differ dependent on diet, health, and any other environmental variable.
Because of this, race cannot be based upon specific morphological features.

If race can not be based upon specific physical components, then there must be other
commonalities that are taken into factor. Some people have brought up the point that the
majority of Europeans have lactase persistence, while many Sub-Saharan Africans and
Chinese do not. This is a genetic difference across the majority of the population, but it is
so because of cultural differences. During the domestication of cattle, cultural practices
in China and Africa said to not drink milk. While this is a definable biological limitation,
it was brought about by cultural practices it is also the beginning of speciation.
Humans are not just biological creatures. We have culture as well. Outside stimulus can
change the phenotypical traits, there are very few genotypes selected for that are not in
some way related to the environment, examples being skin color and lactose intolerance.
While there are no solid barriers between races, there are commonalities and
shared traits and genes within group populations, these commonalities are called
haplogroups. Due to breeding outside of geographical regions and cultural boundaries, these haplogroups are no longer as distinct as they once were because of modern Globalization; globalization hasn't stopped speciation, but it has slowed it down immensely.
Race can not be based upon specific morphological features because a
phenotype is simply a variation of a gene that could produce multiple other phenotypes
given its environment. While race as we understand
it is largely socially constructed, there are common differences biologically on a
population wide level, i.e. lactase persistence and immunity to diseases. Enough so that it makes a difference in the medical field, http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html. Race is defined by commonly shared characteristics,
morphologically and biologically. This collective of shared characteristics is called
a haplogroup. Race is a difficult concept because we don't have a full grasp on it yet. I hope we will in the future so that we can put all this pseudo scientific BS to rest. The people who say "race is a social construct" and the KKK are equally ignorant of the subject.

 No.3788

I've always considered races to be subspecies of Homo sapiens because there are very distinct differences between groups of humans from certain areas, but we aren't so separate we can't produce fertile offspring. I agree that it's ridiculous to claim race doesn't exist. I can't imagine how someone can be so in denial that they can ignore the obvious genetic differences. Same thing with people claiming race is just a matter of color. It goes much deeper than that.

 No.3907

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>>3549
1. There are probably small variations of intelligence and physical abilities in races, just like certain races tend to have slightly longer lifespans, or bigger penises. These are close to insignificant though.

2. The biggest factor between different ethnic groups may be the large amount of children being born, because the more older siblings a child has, the more likely mutations will be present. This is only a recent thing and as birth rates decline in the 3rd world and as countries become "civilized" and start selecting for intelligence rather than physical or sexual prowess the human race should iron itself out in a few generations.

3. Anyone concerned with the fate of "muh white race" should start having lots of interracial sex. Disseminating their white genes across a large area would actually be a good thing. The genes won't just disappear, they will in fact thrive in being matched with a variety of different partners. The worst thing for a genetic group would be to stagnate and only keep with ones own.

4. Skin color is one of the least significant parts of your genes. The majority of your DNA isn't apparently visible. Ex: 95% of all human variation appears on the continent of africa, but little of it is visible.

 No.3918

>>3907
>start selecting for intelligence rather than physical or sexual prowess the human race should iron itself out in a few generations.

come on matey, you know people aren't selecting based on intelligence, especially not in the first world. intelligent people are LESS likely to have kids because they can restrain themselves, plan ahead or not even bother since the DINK life is so damn good.

 No.3924

>>3907
Intelligence comes with impulse control which by itself negates having a score of children.

 No.3929

>>3918
>>3924
Of course we can't expect people (especially in the first world, where there's no necessity to be particularly smart) to start all of a sudden banging each other for their smarts. But it's pretty much taken for granted that the birthrate in the third world will drop below the dozens and dozens like it is now.

 No.4051

>>3788
>I've always considered races to be subspecies of Homo sapiens because there are very distinct differences between groups of humans from certain areas, but we aren't so separate we can't produce fertile offspring.
I studied the life sciences for a few years but did not earn a degree in any of them but it was and remains a lifelong hobby/obsession. and I agree with you 100%

 No.4094

>>3558
acknowledging race doesnt mean hating any race
just like acknowledging different birds doesnt mean you start hating some

 No.4095

>>3563
this is completely false
do you know what a hybrid is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_%28biology%29#Genetic_mixing_and_extinction
>>3702
look at the above link

>>3780
>terms of skin color
>most often viewed?
What does most often viewed mean? By whom? Thebankers that deny that race exists? Race is not skin color.

 No.4103

>>4095
Reading comprehension, friend. He said race isn't skin color.

 No.4119

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
Relevant, and a great series.

 No.4151

>>4095
You just gave me a link with no explanation as to how it relates to my comment, or the point that you're trying to make.
If you read my comment, you'd see that I'm not denying the existence of races.

Are you trying to say that white people are going to die out like a locally developed ecotype? maybe so , but no one is forcing people to have sex with other races, and it's foolish to think you can enforce people marrying within their race. Why do you care about the future of the white race? If you're white, then it's literally impossible for the white race to go extinct before your death. And after you're dead, doesn't make a difference to you.

In any case, I'm not bothered, since I'm not white

 No.4193

To me, whether race is real or not is irrelevant. As long as you can function well and productively in society and are generally kind to those around you, I don't care if there are small differences in genetics, appearance, or behavior.

Basically, if you're a johnson, I won't like you. If you're lazy, I won't like you. Race doesn't play a factor in those decisions, at least not for me.

Not everyone is created equal, but everyone deserves equal chance to be successful.



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