/8lounge/ - The "8" Lounge

I saw it coming years ago. Any site run by a liberal these days will be quick to jump on the censorship bandwagon. I don't think it will break reddit though, because most people are bootlickers that will gladly support a corrupt administration until it's their turn.

>>4578

If it were a matter of banning ALL hate and they were taking out poppycockredditsays and other feminist extremist communities from their site, I might be okay with it. If they really want to clean up their site that badly, they should do it.

But that's not the case, as usual. It's not about removing hate. It's about censorship and thought policing. You're not allowed to hate in the way they haven't approved of. You're not allowed to believe things that they don't agree with. You fall in line or you become an exile and a pariah, because despite all of their whining about oppression and the patriarchy controlling the world, their actual problem with things is that THEY aren't in control of everything.

They are becoming moral totalitarians. Even if its reddit, this is a step in the wrong direction and it shows that these people aren't the powerless college liberals they pretend to be. They worm their way in and slowly weed out any opposition until they can pull massive overhauls.

I distinctly recall several years ago when reddit had to reluctantly ban several subreddits because they were about taking photos of people when they weren't looking. Creepshots I think they called them. At any rate, reddit's stance before was that it wasn't illegal and that their policy of anti-censorship, pro-free speech allows those people to post that sort of thing. The social pressure from sites like facebook and, surprisingly, Gawker, is what eventually forced them to ban those communities.

Either, I'll restate my point: They aren't banning hate, they are enforcing censorship under flimsy social justice pretenses.

In short, bad for everyone. Bad for reddit, bad for us, bad for the internet. Because, let's face it, the one thing the internet needed was another Tumblr.

I almost feel bad for them. Almost. They talk a big talk about freedom of speech and lack of moral "law," but they tend to get bowled over quite easily. I guess that's one of the many drawbacks of being a public company - Hotwheels, blessed be his name, isn't a CEO so he doesn't have paychecks to cut, so he doesn't have to worry about towing the party line.

>>4580

Stuff like /r/poppycockredditsays should've definitely been taken out. They stated their own criteria as, "We’re banning behavior, not ideas."

The whole story is pretty stupid. Imgur (image hosting website) started removing images from /r/fatpeoplehate. They noticed and got upset. They acquired images of Imgur's staff and made posts pointing out how many of them are fat. The next day, Reddit determined this to be harassment and banned them.

Of course, that's no where near the level of harassment that /r/poppycockredditsays used to engage in. They would actively to go other subreddits to downvote and instigate conflict. But since it's in the name of social justice and got positive coverage from mainstream media, nothing happens to them.

Last but not least, the "behaviors not ideas" policy is questionable to begin with. If you want a "safe community," shouldn't your priority be removing stuff like /r/coontown, /r/picsofdeadkids, /r/sexyabortions, /r/cutefemalecorpses, etc.?

Sure does suck to be us. I've the viewpoints on their exodus here, but quite honestly, if they want the freedom to post what they want, they're welcome here. I don't care for them, but to exclude them would go against our entire purpose. Obviously they won't practice their finest behavior, there's no point to here as we don't have a karma system to keep people in place. I'm sure they'll learn to fit in, albeit slowly and painfully. Moderate redditors aren't even that bad to talk to, and most actually have self-awareness. It'll probably be bad for the next month or two on populated boards; I know I'll be on this one a lot more anyway. But I think in time everything will work itself out, I mean we DO hate roughly the same things, after all. Fat shaming was even something I saw on /b/ for a while before this, too.

>>4578

Pao rhymes with Mao. How did plebbitors not see this coming?

What bothers me most about this is that /r/fatpeoplehate and similar subreddits were isolated parts of reddit. Think of them like /pol/…most people on 8chan aren't Nazis, but there are Nazis are /pol/. Those Nazis don't make Nazi posts anywhere else–only on /pol/. I'm not a Nazi, but the existence of /pol/ doesn't bother me at all, because the Nazism is contained to that board only, and I don't go on /pol/.

It's the same with /r/fatpeople hate. If you're a fat fuck and are triggered by people making fun of you then that's fine, that's understandable. Just don't go on that subreddit and you won't be triggered. But if it's very EXISTENCE offends you, so that just knowing it exists (even if you never see it) triggers you, then that's a different story.

>>4583

I think the best thing we can do as grumpy oldgents and imageboard veterans is encourage new arrivals to make their own boards, explore other alternative boards, and make sure they understand that this place can be a place for them, but that they need to carve out their own niche, instead of trying to force their way into our niches.

>>4587

I personally would like Hotwheels to have a link on the main page for our new fellas on chan culture/etiquette/tips. Obviously they wouldn't be enforced, just stated.

I'm glad I can say something like >>4583 and not get bombarded by aspies.

>>4586

According to Reddit's admins, the problem was that they made jokes personally targeting people outside of their community (i.e. imgur staff). Not that those people would ever see these jokes, but that's how those people think.

>>4589

Still weak reasoning. Imgur exists as an extension and utility of reddit, and by that logic, if they had been making fun of fat people who used reddit, then they'd be fine.

a lot of people who were here before the whole reddit thing, including myself, were worried that this site would become like a reddit duplicate, while i doubt that redditors will make a noticable change to this sites original boards. the real issue, is people baiting by saying, im new here, where are the memes and stupid stuff like that. we had a similar issue when 4chan banned #gamergate, it all turned out ok though, we got a new board but that was it.

>>4588

>>4583

>>4599

I'm not afraid of another exodus. As long as the reddit emigrants follow the universal rule of "lurk more", then they'll assimilate. This place will never turn into another reddit because it's Mr(s). Anonymous, there's freedom of speech, and there's no upvote system–those are the things that make reddit what it is.

Just don't for the love of god, call people out on being from reddit. That's just annoying to everyone. That poppycock's starting to happen on halfchan now, and it destroys threads.

>>4600

>that poppycock's starting to happen on halfchan now, and it destroys threads.

People have always been called out on chans for not being from chans. It's nothing new. I do agree though that redditors, so long as they contribute and adapt, are welcome, so consider your post upboated.

>>4600

I wholeheartedly agree. Redditors who do try to migrate to 8chan are probably sincerely motivated to do it right and learn the culture and etiquette. The typical Redditor who wouldn't be interested in learning won't be coming here. They'll either stick to Reddit in spite of its flaws, or try to find an alternative that is similar to Reddit like Voat.

the ban list on /fatpeoplehate/ is fucking ridiculous,80% of the last 2 days bans were them

>>4662

I for one think they are free to run their board as they please.

They didn't lie to anyone to what it was about, its a self-proclaimed circlejerk.

The best counter-action to that is making a free-talk board about hating fat people.

>>4586

I've been involved with /pol/ and its counterparts like /n/ for years on a variety of sites. I don't think much anyone is seriously a Nazi with the various boards.

The reason some seem to get this idea just comes from people humanizing Hitler, talking about the various lies connected to the Holocaust and pointing out that many bankerish people are vehemently racist and interested in pushing their religion and ideology in much of the media.

After learning a good deal about people like Hitler, it's easier to see him as just a person whose country lost a war resulting in historians that demonized him with propaganda being able to ensure their propaganda was then considered the 'true' history. Doesn't make him seem a swell guy given the nature of concentration camps, but at the same time it can a good idea to remember that things like eugenics weren't actually considered bad ideas in much of the world and even in America it was promoted quite a bit. The US government went about lying to people about things like vaccines when really they were sterilizing men and women, which is likely part of why there's a paranoia about vaccines that has persisted to this day.

There's also a good bit of information about the gas chambers that were supposedly in concentration camps that don't make sense upon closer examination, and makes it seem like a lot of it was likely fake along with a lot of exaggerated death tolls. Doesn't make concentration camps seem good in any way, but, to me at least, it seems important to try and recognize what likely happened with these various wars and atrocities so that people don't just repeat history. When you demonize someone until they're like a cartoon villain then when someone begins going down the same path as that prior villain you won't recognize it because they're not all going about things like Cobra Command with leaders tenting their fingers as they consider how to ruin peoples' lives.

Anyway, it's been the nature of /pol/ and /n/ to always look for every side on every story to try and piece together what really happened with various events, which kinda leads to that whole idea of being 'redpilled' by noticing that no media source, scientific study, nor history book is unbiased. So I kinda wish people wouldn't like it was such a vile thing to look at history with a bit of skepticism and have some sense of humor about it.

>>4692

>Anyway, it's been the nature of /pol/ and /n/ to always look for every side on every story to try and piece together what really happened with various events, which kinda leads to that whole idea of being 'redpilled' by noticing that no media source, scientific study, nor history book is unbiased

That was more true in the beginning of /pol/. I liked /pol/ a lot back then. I thought of it basically as politics minus the bullpoppycock. It was a politically incorrect board, so naturally Nazi stuff found it’s way there, but that was a small price to pay.

As it got more popular and when a lot of people moved to /leftypol/, /pol/ became just a far-right board. That’s not looking at every side of the story. Ideally, a politics board would transcend political parties, and old /pol/ was a bit like that. /32/ is like that, since it’s not really a politics board…rather we talk about the ways politicians manipulate our attitudes.

I was just making a point—I still do go on /pol/. It’s gotten worse over time, but it’s still the best political discussion board I know of

>So I kinda wish people wouldn't like it was such a vile thing to look at history with a bit of skepticism and have some sense of humor about it.

I just feel like a lot of people on /pol/, being far-right/Nazis, are biased when it comes to this. i.e. they have something to gain from Holocaust denial, so they aren’t looking at it directly. To me, that’s just as bad as automatically believing the accepted stories.

>>4696

Pretty much everyone wants to disagree with /pol/ which is part of why so many go there to disagree with everything asserted all the time.

The tone of the posters on the board seem about the same for the most part as when it was on half chan's /n/.

>I just feel like a lot of people on /pol/, being far-right/Nazis, are biased when it comes to this. i.e. they have something to gain from Holocaust denial, so they aren’t looking at it directly. To me, that’s just as bad as automatically believing the accepted stories.

Everyone is biased. If someone is saying something is one way or another, it's because they're biased on the subject and think that their opinion of what happened is true. Which is what sparks debate.

The people that went off to do /leftypol/ generally just went against the grain by wanting to not debate things.

I don't understand everyone's obsession with this "chan culture". There's nothing great about it. Most people here aren't exceptional in any way, they only think they are. If anything, the biggest difference is that this site has the most angry people (not called h8chan for nothing). Not sure what everyone is expected to lose when a bunch of new people join. I think there's a lot of arrogance in expecting everyone to become like us. To be perfectly honest, I'm getting really tired of this chan culture as it is now, so some new influence would only be a good thing.

>>4703

This is my favorite board on the site.

>>4703

Doesn't really seem like an issue of chan culture changing so much as people being concerned about board culture. In the past on half chan it's been an issue that when more people talked about the site on one platform or another it dragged in more users that were really just like average people, with all the lack of humor that entails, as well as just being against creating content themselves.

There have also been issues with board migrations for one reason or another, where sites would notice users from another chan coming over and basically just poppycock things up. Main times that come to mind for me are with /n/, /news/, and /pol/ on half chan and how it diverted people to plus4chan and operatorchan. Operatorchan was pretty fine with it (I forget timeline for them), and plus4chan just made their own /n/ for all the refugees. On +4chan almost no one from /n/ went to any other board and it really just stayed its own little circle doing its own thing, with people going on about the Georgian conflict, Estonia being strong, and China owning everything (those Chinese got crazy on the board pushing their poppycock).

I think some people only used to half chan just assume that if more people come to post on the site, then it means they'll just automatically go for existing boards rather than use the site's major feature and make their own board.

>>4662

>>4675

This is what's so funny about people who say8 welcome them to 8chan!

Just because they're running from reddit for the same reason we ran from halfchan doesn't mean they're our brothers. Yeah, we both want free speech and escape from halfwit(s) oppression but they still desire reddit's system of democratic voice and policing of negativity and persistent easily trackable identities, just as we still desire the polar opposite - Mr(s). Anonymity and transciency.

An imageboard is no place for them and of course the only way they could try to recreate their reddit here would be through petty draconian moderation. It's not hypocritical, it's just stupid they even bothered to try.

>>4732

Unless of course, someone has actually given up on the Reddit's system and actually is looking for the culture and mentality that 8chan offers.

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gent poppycock

>>4738

Source on that image?

>>4751

Tumblr post by a guy going by the name of Kazerad. A direct link:

http://kazerad.tumblr.com/post/96020280368/faceless-together

>>4740

He's a gentle poppycock!

>>4738

Now, that is really one of the best things I've ever read on internet culture. Thank you, Mr(s). Anon.

>>4582

>They would actively to go other subreddits to downvote and instigate conflict

Tip of the iceberg, really. Their sub's been used a platform for doxxing, organizing twitter raids, and trolling and harassing the associates of an MRA who committed suicide, in the past.

GamerGhazi, the anti-GamerGate sub, has been up to similar shenanigans.

If they were really abiding by their ostensible standards, those subs are obvious targets; but nothing will be done because they subscribe to the "correct" ideology the admins support. The double standard at work there is pretty blatant.

Anyway, in answer to the general question, "What do you think of their current turmoil?", I'm ambivalent. On the one hand, I'd kind of like to see a mass exodus as the halfwit(s)s alienate the site's userbase; on the other, I know if that happens, they're going to spin it as a victory. "Heroic progressives drive off dedicated haters and trolls, petulant manchildren flee to other sites." That's the way it's going to be presented on Gawker media and HuffPo, and normal people won't apply any critical thinking to that narrative.