/a/ - Animu & Mango

You shouldnt like gundam seed period.

>>437435

why not?

and which series should i like then?

>>>/rec/

>>437436

Its one of the worst Gundams period the new AU Series Iron Blooded Orphans is better and that is saying something Though X and G are the superior AU Gundams

You could start out with 2 UC Gundam OVAs but I prefer production order

The 2 OVAs

>Gundam 0080

A nice little contained story that shows the entire message of Gundam perfectly

>Gundam 08th MS Team

Arguably one of the more "realistic" entry with an extremely solid 1st half and a meh second half

Also UC means Universal Century which is basically the meat of the franchise follows multiple pilots in the 1 Year War between the Federation and Principality of Zeon

>>437436

Gundam seed turned into a generic Good guys against bad guys shows when the vast majority of Gundam anime has morally grey tones. The shows were always supposed to be statements on war which depending on your tastes you can find interesting or not. It also helps liking giant robots fight eachother.

If you can stomach dated animation then by all means start with the original Mobile Suit Gundam.

Or you can try a more standalone short series with better animation but a kind of lackluster writing like 08th MS team.

I'm bad at explaining why I like things.

Fun things are fun.

>>437465

Gouf pilots are based

Patlabor is amazing. It's a police sitcom with mechs.

I found Early Days and the first two movies to be a lot more enjoyable than the TV series, but the characterization is consistent in all of them.

Gundam SEED is ass, full stop.

Zeta is generally considered to be the best mainline series, and it's my personal favorite. Given that it's a direct sequel to the first series, I usually tell people to watch them back-to-back to appreciate certain character interactions more.

I might not be the best person to ask for Gundam-related opinions, though. I unironically enjoyed F91, G-Reco, and most of Tekketsu.

>>437432

Gundam's main draw is that it paints its protagonists and antagonists as pretty morally grey. For example. Zeon is a militaristic principality that wants to break away from the oppressive Earth sphere, but they go about it by launching a war for conquest rather than freedom. Plenty of Zeon soldiers are treated like normal people who see themselves as fighting a war of independence against the corrupt Earth. Meanwhile, the Earth Federation is a burecratic, imperialist mess that refuses to let go of the colonies that want to separate from them, yet they are filled with normal people who see the Zeons as evil monsters that invaded and caused a massive war that killed millions. It's very grey.

UC gundam is a pretty forward thinking show. It tries to treat the idea of a giant robot realistically. When a MS explodes due to a beam piercing the reactor, it causes a nuclear explosion. The Gundam's all powerful beam rifle has limited ammo. Minovsky Particles jam guided weapons to lessen the idea of using long range missiles and artillery to kill MS. Basically, it tries to give them limitations of actual warmachines instead of having them be powered by magic or other super sentai craziness.

If you wanted to experience UC, I would suggest watching the compilation movies for both the original Gundam and Zeta if you do not want to waste time. Zeta's ending is much darker and better than the compilation movies ending, but both give you a decent amount of knowledge without having to sit down to a full 50 episode series.

Gundam 0080, 08th Ms Team, and 0083 are decent ovas with excellent animation that fill in more of the Universe of gundam at a more down to earth level. MS IGLOO 2 has some really good grunt episodes, especially the tank episode. It shows how fucked the Federation was until they developed Mobile Suits.

>>437447

What was wrong with the second half? We got the Apsalus III, the Gouf Fight scene, The Kiki's village incident, etc. Gundam 0080 is probably my favorite OVA short gundam thing, good taste.

>>437488 Nothing wrong with liking F91, it was choppy because it was supposed to be like twelve episodes of a series edited down to 2 hrs. I enjoyed Seabook, probably because he seemed like one of the most pragmatic down to Earth gundam main characters, and I was glad to continued reading his story in Crossbone.

>>437456

The dirty Zeeks cant kill your friends if you shoot them first, anon.

>>437535

I really really hate Aina

Because it will keep you busy for a very long time.

>>437535

>movies

b-b-b-but missing plot points

>>437535

>I would suggest watching the compilation movies for both the original Gundam and Zeta if you do not want to waste time

>Zeta compilation movies

Fucking kill yourself

Those movies had shitty inconsistent animation and completely rewrite the ending, and it's worse than the original TV one.

>0083

>shoe horned in love triangle between Gato, Kou and Nina at the end

>decent ova

Seriously, kill yourself.

>>437673

I looked a bit at the movie and I like the bit better animation, I only run all of this since I heard I need to see whole UC to get the unicorn series story.

>>437679

You do miss a lot if you just watch the comps, and Tominoe changed the ending because he was depressed at how dark he made Zeta's ending,which is why ZZ had such a weird tone shift.

Yeah Unicorn basically requires you to have watched everything from the original to Char's Counterattack, excluding ovas and sidestories. Even ZZ gets representation with lots of Neo Zeon suits and a main Sleeves character. Unicorn is essentially the closing chapter on the Zeon-Federation conflict.

>>437673

>I was only recommending it because a lot of people nowadays don't seem to want to commit the effort to watching a long series.

That's their fault for being ADHD , not the show's. If normal fags can watch 5 season of Gay of Thrones, you can watch a 50 episode TV series.

>Most of my friends get antsy when I recommend anything past 24 episodes because they are pansies, though it does cut out a lot of moments that draaaag in zeta.

You;re are niggers and you should drop them. Also, Zeta's pacing is fine for the time it was made. If think Zeta drags I dread you watching any other anime.

>>437679

The new animation looks like shit because they didn't bother reanimating other parts, so the movies look inconsistent because the animation switches from digital to hand drawn from shot to shot. Just watch the original series as it was intended, it's even been remastered on bluray and looks way better than the movies.

>>437699

I'm not going to lie, Zeta was painful for me to watch at points. I had to start and stop it three times because of how unlikeable most of the cast was, outside of the returning characters and Kamille when he finally developed into less of an angry shit. I didn't really feel invested in what was going on honestly.

And I don't understand what you meant by the pacing was "fine for the time it was made." I watched the OG with no problems and enjoyed the ride, but there were parts of Zeta where I found myself completely bored and fiddling with stuff while I was watching it.

>>437711

>but there were parts of Zeta where I found myself completely bored and fiddling with stuff while I was watching it.

That's a minor inconvenience compared to the absolute shitshow of movie compilation which takes out things, ruins the art, and ruins the ending. Plus, it was a fifty episode show that aired on a weekly basis in 1985. I guarantee if you marathon it you'll get bored at parts. I marathoned it two or three episodes a week and enjoyed it entirely.

Can we agree on this with Gundam?

Quite possibly one of the best soundtracks in an anime franchise.

the Zeta movies cut out Char's Dakar speech

end of the fucking argument, the movies are shit

I had trouble getting into Zeta, Kamille was 10x the bitch Amuro started as in the original series. I never made it more than 20 episodes in.

Can we agree that Tallgeese is the sexist Gundam, and that if it was real every one of you autists would install an onahole in it and make sweet passionate love to it every night?

>>437796

>>437799

I was so happy when Kamille grew up.

Then Katz, Sarah, Reccoa, and Fa filled the void of pointless bitchiness.

>>437722

That's a good point.

>>437760

Aside from the ending, that was the thing that bothered me the most.

>>437815

*to clarify, I meant that was a good point when it came to watching a couple episodes at a time.

>>437814

I'd fuck a ground gundam

It's a glorified GM and I love it

>>437681

so, does this >>433225

covers all I need to see all UC up to unicorn?

>>437915

Yes

but now there is a new OVA called "Thunderbolt"

>>438158

I'm liking Thunderbolt but is anyone sick else of OYW OVAs? There's like a hundred of them and there's other material they could expand on, like Sentinel, Crossbone or even Hathaway's Flash for God's sake.

>>438192

Or the French gundam

Sentinel I don't understand why it does not have an OVA or show shit was like EVA Gundam.

We have been asking for Crossbones forever I doubt we will get though

What about After Colony?

>>438206

Hahahahahahhaha

Good mecha designs but it was good when you were a kid since Wing got most into Gundam. I used to love until I rewatched it.

HEAVY ARMS IS THE BEST MAIN SUIT

>>438269

WITH THE HELP OF KYOJIII

>>438299

I don't understand how everyone is such a kike about shit like this, why can't you simply call the guy owning the characters and ask nice if you can use the characterportrait, is this really too much to ask?

>>438309

Because that dude would ask for money.

>>438309

Because the guy who owns the rights are the kikes.

>>437535

>What was wrong with the second half?

Most of the complaints I've heard were that second half shifted it from a grunts point of view show, into a more typical Gundam story. Honestly, it never bothered me, but I guess if you're expecting Saving Private Ryan, but with mechs, it could be disappointing.

>>438391

Its still my favorite gundam even with the romeo and Juliet plot

>>438269

>>438275

>>438294

>>438310

You should watch G Gundam for hot-blooded burning manly passion.

>>439139

Same.

>>439887

Stardust/0083 is the inbetween for Gundam 0079 and Zeta. Watch whatever you feel like first, I'm not here to spout shit about production order vs. chronological order.

Holy shit I temporarily dropped Zeta right before Kamille stops acting like an insufferable faggot, now I can actually watch this shit

>>438269

流派！東方不敗は！

>>439879

And Manly Tears

>>439889

>Holy shit I temporarily dropped Zeta right before Kamille stops acting like an insufferable faggot, now I can actually watch this shit

At least he gets his shit kicked in a few times

>>437432

There are 2-3 good Gundams.

Everything else is shit.

Sometimes horrible diarrhea.

>>440497

Release order, so Zeta is next.

>>440497

>chronological

NO

It's release order you fucking nigger. OVAs like Stardust refer back to things that happen in Zeta. Goddamn where did you fucking casual niggers who watch shit in chronological order come from

Unicorn was my first exposure to Gundam.

I liked it.

Should I find a torrent of the original series, or does the remake OVA cover it adequately? I want to absorb all of the UC universe, but I wouldn't want to get burned out from dated animation if the first series is really vintage looking.

>>437432

I loved Ideon. Some gundams are bad, I don't like Seed or IBO for example, but a lot I still love like 00, turn a or the originals. Personally I found Ideon higher quality than gundam on average, although it has some shitty pacing and animation, however all of the Gundams are worth watching if you have the time for it. You should also watch Macross. However remember they are toy commercials mainly.

>>440916

Watch the original series or movies then go by release order.

>>440850

At least now go to Zeta and correct yourself with release order from here on out.

Sorry you ruined your first exposure to characters like Bask and Haman in the overrated shit pile that is Stardust.

>>441078

Wing is in it's own seperate universe.

>>441080

G as well?

>>441082

G as well. If I may be so divisive, it's my favorite.

>>441078

You mean Turn A?

>>441088

>>441107

They never did say if any of the recent AU Gundams converge into Turn A did they? Reconguista most likely would since it's the UC's future

>>441090

That probably would have made the dynamic between him and Amuro a lot more interesting though I wonder if Kamille would support Char colony dropping Earth considering what happened in Zeta and ZZ.

But really I think Hathaway and Quess fuck everything up and it almost makes it unwatchable for me. At least Kamille managed to shape up

I just finished ZZ and I can positively say that it's the worst piece of shit ever, to the anons saying it gets better, fuck you.

It gets like normal gundam in the middle, which you know that's alright but it doesn't fix the fact that the whole characterization is dog shit, the plot being awful, and Haman being the biggest mistake made in the series. ZZ in my mind was just filler, considering the fact that half the episodes were filler or drawn out pieces of shit.

How do you go from 10/10 Zeta bland and average 5/10 ZZ and lower if you count in the shitty arcs like moon moon and nigger african arc

Also why are people saying Kamille was a bitch? He clearly was an alpha bitch where yeah he was whiny and bitchy at times, but at the same time, you fuck with him while he's throwing a hissy fit and he would literally lay your ass out and kill all your friends, plus he'd hop on whatever bitch was closest to him at the time for the free pussy, there's nothing but respect for the realest OG Kamille

>>441131

One word

Puru

>>441116

Tomino actually said G-Reco takes place AFTER Turn A. One weird dude.

I think it's either SRW or SD G Generation games that imply every AU Gundam retroactively becomes part of Turn A.

like the Turn A is just the end of the line. every retarded new power in a Gundam is automatically in the Turn A.

00 Qan[T] can teleport? bitch, so can the Turn A. hell, it can TELEPORT SHOTS INTO ENEMY COCKPITS, MOTHERFUCKER.

Turn X? apparently has a psycoframe in the cockpit. so, not as magical fairy bullshit as the Unicorn, but it can come close if need be.

>>441149

The moments puru was in the show was the only time I actually liked the show, afterwards it was simply trash

Haman's character development was fucking garbage and her ending was even more garbage, it was all just filler, I'll admit though Puru got me into it

>>441136

>Tomino actually said G-Reco takes place AFTER Turn A

Actually would explain where the fuck panromaic cockpits went.

>>441075

its weird that release order is better than chronological

>>441193

Yeah that's obvious, doesn't make her character not absolute garbage and filler for CCA

>>441185

Kamille is the G.O.A.T. pilot

I've been wondering also, who is the strongest pilot in the UC Timeline

I'm thinking it's Kamille simply because of his godlike ability in ZZ, also obligatory

Char vs Amuro, who's better

>>441510

>Char vs Amuro

Char definitely, he wasn't a newtype and still matched Amuro. Skillwise he was superior.

>>441576

I love how the scene is nothing like what people expect based on the images floating around.

>>441510

>who is the strongest pilot in the UC Timeline

lots of things to consider

I remember reading somewhere that, at least for the protagonists of the 3 mainline series, it was like

Amuro strongest pilot

Kamille in the middle

Judau most powerful Newtype

I could be completely wrong and pulling that out of my ass, since I don't remember where I read it.

>>441579

true, still had fun for a while with it

Still amazed fucking Uso has the biggest kill count on UC. People always forget Victory gundam is pretty fucking strong with those wings

>>441552

I'm pretty sure he is though, just not very strong at one

>>441590

I don't think Judau can even shake a stick to Kamille

I know me being autistic about power levels looked into this, and people are saying Judau is the strongest, but when I watch ZZ Kamille exhibits godlike abilities by the time he gets rid of his autism

>>441822

You'll have to remind me, but I don't remember Kamille doing much of anything other than warning Puru about Puru and screaming about the sky falling. I honestly don't know what he's done, newtype wise, aside from putting up a ghost-powered shield and waverider crashing into The O.

Judau is still a newbie at the whole newtype thing, and he causes earthquakes whenever you hurt his imouto and can pull the ZZ together when it's fucked up. Seems to have a lot of latent energy, if not much control

>>441856

You know predicting a whole fight while telling everyone what was going to happen to like 6 people at once in the release of Puru two, then to add onto it in the final battle he was protecting Judau from over millions miles away on earth while living his normal life, keep in mind most newtypes have to be relatively close to figure out where they are, Kamille was projecting his power to protect Judau from that far away. Plus when he gets enraged he literally shot a beam not from his gundam but from his physical projection to try killing Yazan and is able to make himself invulnerable

To keep it short, Kamille is god of newtypes, he basically did what Obi Wan Kenobi did in the Star Wars by becoming one with the force but keeping his normal body unlike other newtypes, he's broken as fuck.

I'm sure if he was in Char's Counter Attack he'd be able to destroy everyone on the battlefield

>>441868

Not to mention he's actually a genius and designed the Zeta Gundam himself, and was a natural pilot, where Judau was always pretty shitty and rigid facing the green neo zeons or using newtype hacks, Kamille from the get go was better with gundams than Amuro was when he hopped into it for the first time

I'm sure tomino phased Kamille out because he was literally too strong to fail

>>441932

> I watched one episode of G Gundam and was immediately turned off by the whole concept of Gundams as some kind of sporting competition.

Watch it for it's hot blooded manliness. The competition is just window dressing.

Also, watch the movie compilation of 0079 or The Origin OAVs.

>>441932

Before you swear off Gundam entirely, you should at least watch War in the Pocket. It's a 6 episode OVA that's much more of a character drama than it is a mecha show. The story honestly could have taken place in almost any fictional universe.

>>441932

Watch War in the Pocket, the 0079 movie trilogy (they cut out a LOT of bullshit you wouldn't like) and maybe 00.

If you don't like any of those then you can walk away from gundam forever in my opinion.

Was G Gundam the only Gundam to ever pull off a relationship+love triangle that didnt ruin the show?

>>441932

You watched Wing as a kid, but never saw an episode of G Gundam until recently? When I was growing up everybody watched both of those shows pretty religiously.

>>442426

You ask the same question in every thread.

>>442426

damn I was listening to that exact song whole day

>>442448

Gundam has best gaijin music

>>442168

not liking 00 isn't hard to do

s2 and the movie are shit

>>442426

My nigger

>>437432

Patlabor is a lighthearted comedy about a police team in a sci-fi future. The robots are almost an afterthought (except in the first movie), and the focus is on character interaction and wacky hijinx. The second movie is a more serious political drama.

Ideon is old-school super robot goodness mixed with cosmic horror. It starts strong with some great episodes that set up the conflict, but the show drags as it goes on. The ending movie is a fucking masterpiece, though, so if you don't mind slogging through the repetition of the show's last third, it's really worth watching for the movie.

>>437535 covered Gundam very well.

>>443663

Just wait till episode 20

I guess I'll post in this thread. After seeing a bunch of other anons getting into Gundam I decided to check out the franchise for myself and as a break from binge watching Star Trek. I haven't watched a single Gundam since early 2000, so it was kind of nice getting into something that I barely knew about.

Yesterday I finished watching the original Gundam and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. The animation was dated, a lot of the designs were stupid, and . For those of you who are intimidated by the 40+ episode length it's really not that hard to watch through all of them. For some reason, I found the show to be extremely addicting to watch and it even triggered some old memories of when I watched 0079 as a kid. Overall, I thought it was an alright show, yet strangely enjoyable.

Although I don't really understand why towards the end they decided to bring up the concept of Newtypes. It felt pretty unnecessary to me and it sort of lowered my enjoyment of the show a little because I've seen about a half-a-dozen sci-fi series that already do "PSYCHIC SPESS MAGYCK." It didn't really help that towards the end 0079 turns into a blatant acid trip either.

I'm really hoping they don't put a huge emphasis on Newtypes in Zeta because I feel as if they're going to treat the idea of Newtypes as an excuse for a lot of things.

>>443911

>I'm really hoping they don't put a huge emphasis on Newtypes in Zeta

They do. Towards the end, the MC of Zeta is even able to communicate with the dead(only for about five minutes, though.) Watch 08th MS Team and War in the Pocket if you want something slightly more realistic.

>>443921

That sounds absolutely ridiculous.

But I can excuse it as long as Zeta is an overall solid show.

>>443911

Just watched the first episode of Zeta and holy fuck Kamille is so fucking insecure. Does the dude punch his professors if he fails an exam, or burns down his house if he doesn't want to do chores?

>>443950

He gets a hell of alot better Kamille is my favorite UC pilot next to Shiro.

Blue Destiny anime never

>>443950

He gets a lot better. It's actually interesting to watch him grow from an autistic little brat to a competent soldier. Katz is the character you're really going to end up hating, but he doesn't show up until episode 20 something, IIRC.

>>443978

Stardust Memory is alright, but there is a really horrible plot twist at the very end, that comes out of nowhere and adds practically nothing to overall story.

>>443978

Victory is good but you might want to wait awhile to watch it since it's just moar Tomino.

>>444011

Victory is ultra depression Gundam Tommino is fucking was fucked up when he wrote it.

Uso this little kid has the most on-screen kills than any other main Gundam pilot UC/AU

>>444051

>that pic

Holy fuck, that's the dumbest Gundam design I've ever seen. I love it.

>>444011

F91 could have been better but a lot of the problems come from jamming an entire series into one film.

The F91 is one of my favourite Gundam designs and Seabook seems pretty cool.

The only part I couldn't stand was the fucking beyblades, and that F91 defeated them by spinning his lightsabre really fast and running towards them. God that whole part looked so dumb

I should read Crossbone